Brakes for Breasts: How Auto Repair Shops Are Fighting Breast Cancer [THA 500]
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Key takeaways
- —Brakes for Breasts has raised over $2.4 million for breast cancer research since its inception in 2011.
- —Participating shops donate 10% of their labor costs during October, with suppliers providing free brake pads.
- —The program fosters community engagement and enhances the reputation of participating shops.
- —Transparency in funding ensures that 100% of donations go directly to research efforts at the Cleveland Clinic.
- —The initiative is a call to action for shop owners to join and make a difference in the fight against breast cancer.
Frequently asked
- What is Brakes for Breasts?
- Brakes for Breasts is a fundraising initiative where automotive shops donate 10% of their labor costs from brake jobs in October to support breast cancer vaccine research at the Cleveland Clinic.
- How can my shop participate in Brakes for Breasts?
- Shop owners can participate by signing up on the Brakes for Breasts website, engaging with suppliers for free brake pads, and promoting the initiative to their customers.
- What happens to the money raised through Brakes for Breasts?
- 100% of the funds raised go directly to the Cleveland Clinic's breast cancer vaccine research, supporting salaries and research costs without any administrative overhead.
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This is the Automotive Repair Podcast Network. Hey everybody, Carm Capriato, Remarkable Results Radio, and another Town Hall Academy, one of the most important Town Hall Academies of the year. We're talking about Brakes for Breasts. Please hang in there, listen, learn, understand what we're talking about. This most incredible fundraising event put on by 2 former, or one former shop owner and one current shop owner out of Cleveland supporting the Cleveland Clinic and all the research that they're doing for triple negative breast cancer vaccine.
And I'll tell you, we're gonna try to share with you a little bit today. You know, Tracy and I and my wife Anne went to the Cleveland Clinic for the check presentation this year. We're gonna try to recreate a little bit of the drama. And I don't mean drama, I just mean the emotion that connects and hooks and makes you say, wow, we got to do more.
So our objective, and my objective, is if you're listening to this and you're not involved in Brakes for Breasts— and that's brakesforbreasts.com— you need to be. And we're here to convince you to do it. Thank you so much to Napa Trax, today's class, Kukui, and Pit Crew Loyalty. Hey, let's face it, your shop management system is the most critical tool in your shop, and Napa Trax will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with on-site training, 6 days a week support, and local representation.
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arpn.app. Wow. Emissaries. Here we go. Leanne Best. Hi, Carl. Obviously founder with Leanne Frank, your partner to your left or right, depending on how you're looking at your screen. These are industry pros and they founded Breaks for Breast. Maybe we shouldn't get into the story of how it all happened because we've done, I don't know, a dozen episodes and explained all this, but it was a grassroots effort.
What, 2011, guys? I'm trying to remember. 2011. Yeah, 2011. And sit down for this. And wait a minute, no, get goosebumps. 2.4 million that went to the lab at the Cleveland Clinic, of which Dr. Justin Johnson's here. Hello there, sir. Hello, Carl. Thanks for having me. Good to have you. It was great to see you in April. Um, things are happening out at the Cleveland Clinic, I'm telling you.
It's got its own zip code down there. It's such— people from all around the country and/or the world don't quite realize Cleveland Clinic is it. Capital I-T. It's great. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, it's it. And if there's anything going on in the world of medicine, it's going on at— in Cleveland at the Cleveland Clinic. And I've been to the lab.
He's getting a brand new— did you move into your new lab yet? We did, Carm. So We'll be excited to show you our new facilities for the Czech presentation in April next year. Can't wait to go, but we just got settled in there and get to it, rolling up our sleeves and enjoying the new facility. All right. So look, part of this whole reason for doing this episode, and I'll do a Breaks for Breaths episode anytime anybody wants.
One more thing. There are so many in our industry that have been affected by breast cancer in so many different ways. Personal friends, employees that have had to deal with, suffer with, hopefully get cured from. And all of the work that Leanne and Laura have done through the years in accepting zero money and 100% of all the monies raised through this really simple 10% of the Break program.
You can explain it here in a minute. Goes to the Breaks for Breast program. The marketing materials, you download them, you print them, you engage your people. Now, the reason that we're doing this episode, and hopefully this will release in late August, is it starts in October and it gives you plenty of time to say, I'm doing it this year, I'm getting on board, I've done it in the past, I didn't do it last year, but I'm going to do it again this year.
And if I sound like a preacher in front of my parishioners here, it's because I am. Because I so much believe, because I've been there and I've seen, and we've shared emotions. We've cried together. There's so many things that make this one of the most worthiest causes and programs in our independent professional automotive service business. So Leanne, Laura. What's Breaks for Breasts?
What's it all about? Wow. Thanks for that amazing summation, Carm. You're an amazing supporter of ours and we can't tell you how much we appreciate that. I'll kind of jump in here. So Breaks for Breasts, Laura and I came up with this idea in 2011 because Laura always says with visibility comes responsibility. And as a business owner, you have responsibility to make the world a better place.
So Breaks for Breasts is pretty straightforward. And it's a win-win for everybody, and I truly believe that's why it's been such a success. Easy. We, as a shop owner, go to our vendors and ask them to supply free brake pads to us for the entire month of October. The supplier says, why would I do that? And we say, because we are going to order everything else for that particular brake job and most other jobs.
You're our number one call for the month of October. We are going to increase our production to you exponentially to make up for the fact that you may give us, on the average, 32 sets of free brake pads in the month of October. So cool. We then pass that along to the consumer. So the consumer comes in and they get free brake pads.
They simply pay for the parts, any other ancillary parts, and the labor. And then Breaks for Breasts, or the shop, then donates 10% of that total. So if their labor and their calipers or whatever are $400, we're going to donate as a shop $40 to the Cleveland Clinic Breast Cancer Vaccine Research Project. That's a mouthful, but we want to make sure that every single penny gets exactly where it needs to go, because that was a commitment Laura and I made when we first started this.
Grassroots all the way. 100%, every single penny goes directly to Justin and his staff and crew that are, I mean, putting the brakes on breast cancer. Laura, if anybody has a question like, well, why Cleveland? We live here, but it was purely by accident that we found the incredible research that was going on at the Cleveland Clinic. We looked everywhere and tried as hard as we could to find the best place, and that's where we ended up in Cleveland.
A lot of the places wanted us to pay them to raise money for them. And when we met Dr. Tui, it was like, yes, I will. I will work with you. Please, please come on board. So even though we live in Cleveland, it was purely an accident that we ended up finding Cleveland to donate all the money. And as a side story, I do believe, Justin, it was your mom that happened to bump into, I think it was Laura.
And she said, wait, don't do anything. I saw your mom at the presentation. Yeah. Yeah. I was glad we finally got my mom involved in the celebration since she was so instrumental in making these connections early on into this program that just has blossomed over the past decade plus into something I don't think any of us could possibly have imagined in those early days.
But I remember Leanne and Laura presenting that first check for $10,000 and we were blown away. And they said, you ain't seen nothing yet. And wow, you know, look at how far we've come and how much research we've gotten done. And it's just really incredible. And my gratitude goes to Leanne and Laura and my mom and Carm and all the people that have been part of it.
You know, just talking about your mom. Like here's, here's Dr. Johnson, this brilliant researcher, and we're talking about how his mom is involved. That's how grassroots this is. It's incredible. I feel like we've all just become this big family. The researchers we meet, you know, your whole team, Justin, and like, where do you get that? And anybody who participates in Breaks for Breasts, you're invited down.
We do the presentation to meet all these incredible minds and to see what's happening. And even though you're part of our family remotely, to physically come and meet everybody. Let's get in and jump into the whole why of this thing and where we are. Phase 1, and if you've followed the podcast, you've done any kind of research in the blogs that we've written, Phase 1 is done.
And so much of the work that was done over the last 8, 9 years was to get to phase 1, to find the volunteers. And now it's phase 2. Why does it take so long? COVID happened instantly, Dr. Johnson, instantly. We got sick, we got a vaccine. And why is this taking years and why will it continue to take time? Yeah, that's a great question.
And so many people ask that question, why so long? And COVID, as you pointed out, the vaccines seemed to come out of nowhere, even to me as a researcher in the vaccine field. And there's a lot of reasons for that. The biggest reason I think is that COVID was declared a public health emergency. You know, you remember those early days when, you know, they would put the death toll up on TV every day and people knew people who were losing loved ones and it affected everyone.
And I think that gave the drive to get it done. And I think COVID is a great example of what people are capable of when they really face a problem head-on and really want to see it solved. And so with all that public support and the government behind the effort, and most importantly, funding that effort, we were able to collectively create and test a vaccine in record time and get it out into the field and conquer that disease.
But it didn't come out of nowhere, even though many people had not heard of mRNA vaccines. They had been in development for a very long time before that, and it just was their moment. And I feel like that's what we could do with breast cancer as well. If we start thinking of it as a public health emergency, you know, maybe our vaccine is going to have its moment.
Maybe it's going to be a vaccine from another institution or a combination of those vaccines. But together, I think if we all work on this problem and treat it as a public health emergency, which breast cancer really is, everyone knows somebody who's affected by it. We can conquer this problem, but it takes the willpower, the effort, the willingness to donate or participate in the Brakes for Breasts program to go get your brake job done at the participating shop.
You are being part of that massive effort of all these people coming together, pooling their financial resources, saying that this is important and that this is something we need to do and we can get it done. I just wanted to ask you, talk about the vaccine with the mRNA. This is different though, right? It works differently than the— It is different. And as I mentioned, there's a few other institutions that are working on this problem.
There are other vaccines that are in clinical trials, and we're champions of all breast cancer vaccines and treatments and preventions. But we feel that ours is unique and really has the best chance of being the one that can prevent breast cancer because we're doing it differently. Most other researchers in the field are focused on, you know, targeting targets in the tumor that may be shared with other normal healthy tissues in the body.
And that creates 2 problems. One is you can get a reaction to those tissues. That are elsewhere in the body, and that can be harmful. And secondly, it might be very difficult just to even get an immune response, to get the immune system revved up to seeing those targets. So we think that our alpha-lactalbumin breast cancer vaccine has the best chance of being the one that can prevent breast cancer, and in particular, triple-negative breast cancer, which is one of the most aggressive types that we know of.
So you are listening to this and you are learning the why and the how, and you're meeting the who so that you can explain to your team, your people. You know, we talk so much on the shows about marketing, Laura and Leanne. We talk about being involved in the community. This to me is one of the biggest and the best things that you could get behind.
I don't say that you stop doing things with schools and the local scouts and all that stuff. I You don't. But as you pick your strategic plan for your year, in October, Breaks for Breasts should be there for all the right reasons. You, the people that got behind this and helped that $2.4 mil over the last 11 years, helped get phase 1 out and done.
Congratulations, Dr. Johnson. Out and done. And what we found out in April was you guys are gearing up for phase 2. And we heard it's a big thing. It needs a lot of money and a lot of time and a lot of people to go to phase 2 for the vaccine. It's, it's amazing. We gotta kick it up a notch in our industry to get phase 2 going.
It is a big challenge, but as I mentioned earlier, if there's enough willpower and there's enough people participating, we can do it. You know, if we rewind a decade, we were uncertain if we'd be able to do phase 1, but here we are, you know, with the critical help from Breaks for Breast. I absolutely could not have done that without their support.
That was instrumental in getting it done and we got it done. And we're at a very exciting crossroads right now, because as you mentioned, Carm, we just finished phase 1 late last year. The results are very encouraging, and we're gearing up for phase 2. Phase 1, for, for those who aren't familiar with the landscape of clinical trials, is intended just to evaluate safety and find a dose that we think is going to work.
And we are looking at how effective that vaccine may be, but not in a controlled way where we have people getting a placebo versus not. In phase 2, we want to do that. But in phase 1, we showed that about 3 quarters of the women that were vaccinated had an immune response that was induced by the vaccine to create immunity against a possible tumor.
So time will tell if these women are protected against breast cancer. But right now those results are very encouraging and are really fueling our excitement and motivation to launch phase 2. Easy or hard to find candidates? Well, there's a lot of people that are excited to get in the trial, and that's great news. When we opened our trial for phase 1, hundreds of women were calling our hotline.
They had trouble just fielding all these calls. They had never seen anything like it at Cleveland Clinic. But everyone who called, their information was taken down and we followed up with every single one of them. So there's plenty of people that want to get in the trial. Whether or not they qualified for the trial was a different story, and we had to evaluate them case by case.
And that takes time, that takes financial resources, but we had no shortage of women to enter the trial. And we recruited a total of 35. That was better than we had hoped for. We were hoping to get at least 24 and we got 35. Phase 2 is going to be more challenging because we're going to need about 200 or 300 patients, which means we're probably going to have to screen 5 or 10 times that many women and open to men as well.
But yeah, it's going to take a lot of effort. To screen these potential candidates, get them enrolled in the trial. But as far as the number of people that want to get in the trial, that doesn't seem like that's going to be that much of a problem, especially with all the coverage we're getting, including through Breaks for Breasts. Let's face it, your shop management system is the single most important tool in your shop, period.
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Johnson just explained why you need to get involved. Because it's a real thing. The money that the core group of shop owners that have done Brakes for Breasts and continue to, we continue to add, are making a difference. And when you find out, wow, when you sit down with a client and tell them this is Breaks for Breasts month and the Cleveland Clinic vaccine research is going into phase 2, that means it was successful in phase 1 and we're behind this thing.
And so this episode is not only a little preacher in the pulpit thing for our industry, but it's also helping us to understand This is a real thing. It's working. We're so excited. We so believe. Just get to the Cleveland Clinic next April, 2027. Fly in, drive in, and just be part of that thing. You'll get hooked forever. And Karm, this right here, what we're doing right here was one of the things that absolutely ingratiated Laura and I to Dr.
Tui, his vision in the clinic. When we looked at the other venues that we could support, it just didn't seem great. But how often do you get to go right to the source of what you're supporting, Dr. Justin and his staff and the Cleveland Clinic, and say, hey, what's going on? Where's our money being spent? What's happening with this vaccine? I mean, normally you just donate money and you're completely in the dark.
This is one of the things we love about this. The grassroots, the communication, we know what's going on. We see it. We feel it. It's amazing. Yeah. So well said. Wow. Laura, where do you see Breaks for Breasts going the next 2 or 3 years? I mean, can we go from last year, 293, 2.4 million? When are we going to hit 5?
Oh, wow. 5. That would be awesome. Leanne and I were talking, and if we could at least get 300 this year, That would be a little bit more than we got last year. And then next year we'll be hitting the $3 million mark. If we can do $300,000 this year, $300,000 next year. So $3 million is like very, very reasonable. $5 million.
Let's do it. Heck yeah. I don't even wanna get my calculator out right now, but when I add on the number of shops in our industry and/or all the locations, and I don't know what the average is Some shops, all kinds of money and some, you know, not so much, but whatever the number is times the number of shops, you could raise $3 million a year or $2 million a year if we had, you know, so many more participants.
And I'm just sitting here saying to you who's listening, so why aren't you participating? There's literally no downsides. And I love what you just said. What you give money, what organization comes back and tells you where it went, how it's working, who works there? I don't know where the money's going. You drop $20 in a fundraiser at a, at a flea market or wherever it is, and you hope it finds the light of day.
Yeah. And 100% of every penny goes directly to the lab. So it's not going to support like the infrastructure of the Cleveland Clinic. And Justin, you can back me up on this if I'm mistaken. All that money goes right to the lab. It supports the salaries, the research, anything that they need to, to get this vaccine to market, to fruition. Is that correct, Justin?
Or— Yeah, that's exactly right, Laura. I think the theme here is really like not only transparency, but family, because you're absolutely right. You drop money into a jar or you donate online to some you know, I won't name names, but the big pink ribbon organizations, you don't know where that's going. You know that a lot of that is going to their advertising and CEO salaries.
We don't have any of that. 100%, as Laura mentioned, is going to the lab. And that means to the lab, not in some, you know, invisible fund where nobody knows where it is, but to the lab. And we're very interactive and transparent about what we're doing and why we're doing it and how we're doing it. And it's a small lab. This isn't, you know, you're not, you know, supporting 100 people's salaries.
It's a small group, but it's a very efficient group, a very powerful group. We have a brand new facility with a lot of cutting-edge tools available to us. We have a bioinformatics team now that's helping us improve the vaccine and helping us take what we've learned from this vaccine and developing new vaccines to other types of breast cancer or ovarian cancer or prostate cancer.
But the money that's raised by this fundraiser goes to the alpha-lactalbumin breast cancer vaccine, which is now going into phase 2. And again, couldn't have done it without the support of Breaks for Breast. And when I learned that The lab in your case, and so many of the other labs in that wing at Cleveland Clinic are treated and looked upon as businesses.
And so businesses have to have money to run. That's exactly right. And, you know, people ask me all the time, well, the Cleveland Clinic is a massive organization. Why do they need money from this fundraiser? And the reason is that even though I'm an employee of Cleveland Clinic, And, you know, gone are the days of paper checks, but when we got paper checks, it would say Cleveland Clinic, but the Cleveland Clinic isn't paying us from the revenue that they raise from seeing patients.
We are in an academic research organization and within the Cleveland Clinic, and we need to provide our own funding, which means that the head of each individual lab within this massive research complex is responsible for running that lab and raising the funds. Traditionally, that would come from government grants or philanthropic donations or corporate investment. But our particular lab is mainly running on philanthropic donations, mainly from Breaks for Breasts, and it goes a long way.
But yeah, when you come into the building, you'll see, you know, hundreds of different laboratories, each fairly small and nimble, you know, 3, 5, maybe 8 people. But the head of each one of those labs is responsible for generating the money that runs that lab and paying their employees, even though ultimately that money comes through Cleveland Clinic. It's not coming from Cleveland Clinic.
So it sounds scary, you know, this precarious structure of these individual labs that are fighting to survive. And it kind of is, but it also means that only the best research is going to survive. And we've come this far. So I think we're doing a pretty good job. And of course, again, support from Brakes for Breasts. That makes me think, does money equate to speed, Dr.
Johnson, or not? I think as in any business it does, you know, the faster you want to get something done, the more money it's going to cost. You know, just use this analogy with like shipping something. You know, if you want it a week from now, it's not going to cost that much. If you want it overnight, first thing in the morning, it costs a lot more.
And research is the same way. Everything is going to cost more money if you want it faster. And again, going back to the COVID vaccine, why did it only take a year? To roll that vaccine out. And the reason was there was a ton of money behind it. We're not going to try to go that fast, but we want to get the job done as quickly as we can with as little cash burn as possible.
We want to be as efficient as possible and make the dollars that are raised really make the most of those dollars. It could always go faster and there's always things that are going to you know, take time and slow you down because the nature of science and research, but we hope that funding is never one of those obstacles. And, you know, thanks to Breaks for Breasts, it really hasn't been for the past 12 or so years.
You know, Justin, I think about, you know, you're talking about like being a little nervous. It can kind of probably creep into your head that, oh, are we going to have money for next year? Especially back in the beginning. Right. And I can't help but think how parallel that is to us shop owners, entrepreneurs, right? We go out on a limb and every day we're looking for customers and, you know, we need to, you know, have this average ticket or have so many customers a week or a month or, and it's very similar.
You shops out there, you got to be Justin's customers. Yeah. That strikes me a lot too, that the people that are, you know, really the grassroots that are out there in the field running the shops. Participating in this promotion know exactly what I'm talking about. And I know exactly what they must be feeling as well, because we're all independent mom-and-pop shops at the end of the day, and we're fighting for our existence.
And we do that by just doing the best that we can. You do the best work that you can. You satisfy your customers. You, you have a good reputation and you, you know, do friendly service and you're honest and transparent. And that's how our lab functions. And, you know, we've managed to keep it going this long and there's, you know, there's no end in sight.
You know, to your point, it is scary, you know, 'cause nothing ever is a guarantee. You can say, well, we're good for next year, maybe the next year after that, and then we'll see. But thanks to Breaks for Bruss, a lot of that anxiety is taken away and we can just focus on getting the job done and doing our research and you know, coming up with the ideas, how to make this vaccine better and not have to worry about sitting here, you know, writing 10 grants, hoping that one of them gets funded.
So that has taken a huge load off and that does make the research go faster. You know, I remember you talk about writing grants and I remember the first time we actually came into the lab and came into Dr. Tuohy's office and just all of the stacks of paper everywhere. And just how much time he had to devote to, you know, writing grants and all that.
So we can take some of that off of your plate and that's awesome. I'm sitting here listening to all this great dialogue and I go back to one of the original things we said maybe 30 minutes ago that, and this is one of our key talking points that we really want to get through is confused people don't give, clear people do. Okay.
And so when we think about the kind of training that's going on in our industry, there's all kinds of service advisor training. Laura, your husband, you guys sold the shop and, and I know you guys are training service advisors. Unbelievable. Leanne, when you think about Skyler on your counter and the success that you have with Brakes for Breasts at Mighty Auto Pro in Medina, it's like, okay, what do we tell our service advisors?
What do we tell our owners that ultimately have to filter it down to our service advisors? What's the great story to tell to, you know, you got Brakes for Breasts and it's running and you tell people, listen, oh, it's September. You need brakes. Could you come back in October? Ah, don't worry about it. We'll do it right now because you've worked something out with your supplier.
Every time we do this donation to Brakes for Breasts between X and Y dates and times, we need the free brake pads or hell, just order 'em. Just order the brake pads and then just summarize it at the end of the month. Get your credit. There's so many ways to do it. What do we tell our service advisors? Well, I think that's pretty easy.
You know, it's a communication, just like one of the things we always tell our service advisors, and you said it earlier, Carm, was a confused mind says no. So, you know, we've got to have that clear message. And Barry, who was at our check presentation, Barry starts setting up his Octobers with breaks for breaths months in advance. His schedule is literally full.
By the time Breaks for Breast Month rolls around and they're giving their customers free breaks. What was really interesting was I was just doing a presentation talking about service advisor for our service advisor training. And the interesting thing was we all know back to school, it's fall, slow times. Industry-wide, it's about an 8% dip in the month of September because we're going back to school.
However, I looked at the last 5 years, our car count spikes 76 cars above average in the month of October. And I showed that to Bill and he goes, wow. And I go, that's Brakes for Breasts. And I think it's, you know, it's so critical. We do it for all the right reasons. You know, this has got to be from the heart.
This has got to be because you want to help us put the brakes on breast cancer. But, you know, the fact of the matter is it's incredible for your business. I think our industry as a whole needs that boost up, that rise, because people don't always look at auto repair in the best light. And this is something to get out there and tell your neighborhood about and tell your customers about.
You know, the high tide raises all ships. So this is fantastic for our industry's reputation as well. There's just so many good reasons to do it. Can someone download from the website the picture of the check presentation last year so that they could put it up on their counter to show the, you know, the reasons and the legitimacy? Is there anything that says, you know, 11 years in, $2.4 mil, last year's check?
Do we have something like that? Well, we have the photos from the beginning on the website, but As a downloadable printable, we don't, but we'll get on that. That would be so cool. It's a backup. We do have a handout that we should put on our website that you can hand to another shop because as we always say, bring somebody along. You know, if you're a shop and you have a neighboring shop, this isn't about competition.
This is about bringing everybody together to put the brakes on breast cancer. So we do have a great handout that explains exactly how the program works. And Laura and I haven't worked, you know, I still work within a shop. You know, Laura ran a shop for a long, long time. So we understand what a shop owner goes through, which is why we have developed that Participating Shop Resource Center.
It's got everything you need. It's got a question and answer, a Q&A that'll give you all the ins and outs, all the answers, how to do it, how to do it successfully. And then you've got the marketing materials that are done for you, or you like to do things yourself. Grab the logos from the website. We have graphics for social media. We have press releases done for you, how to do a press release.
I mean, we have tried to cover everything because we know shop owners, you guys are phenomenal. You wear a lot of hats. You're the HR department, you're the marketing department, you're the janitor. You're— so we want you to be able to go to that website and go boom, boom, boom. I'm done. This is easy. Get on board. It's a just-add-water website. It's, that's it.
Everything is done for you. All you have to do is say, I'm in it this year. And listen, it's coming up in October. So this episode goes out, I believe, within a week of what we're recording this. Okay. It'll be the end of August. At least that's what our plans are. You've got time to do this, but there are other shops that say, no, I'm going to just donate money on my own all year round.
And you get checks that way. There's so many different ways to participate in Breaks for Breast. I really love this event that the clinic does for us every year when we do the check presentation. We have a little breakfast. We have the Breaks for Breast team. We have some of our Cleveland Clinic people. We have the researchers, the philanthropy department. And like I said before, and everybody has expressed this sentiment that it feels like family.
We've been doing this for a while and we all know each other and it's a really good time. But this past year, first of all, I think we shattered the previous record as far as fundraising. So that was incredible. And that was emotionally a lot. But I think what I really liked about this past year is that there was a lot of personal story sharing about the why, why we do it.
We had quite a few guest shop owners. And as we've mentioned before, everyone is welcome. Anyone who's participating in this program is invited to come celebrate with us. And some of the shop owners shared their stories and it was very moving. It reminds everybody why we're doing this, what the goal is, how far we've come. And it feels good to accomplish some milestones, but also realize we've got a couple more ahead of us.
We want to get through Phase 2 and Phase 3. But getting through phase 1, we celebrated that this year. And that is huge because, you know, as you probably know, many or most drugs that are being tested or vaccines don't make it to phase 1, let alone through phase 1. So this is huge. So far so good. Congratulations to you, Leanne, Laura.
Thank you so much for the passion and love you put behind this effort, this unique program inside the professional automotive repair, the aftermarket. I'm happy to be, you know, involved like I am. Let's just tell the shop owner who's listening, it's time. Stop saying no to something that has proven itself to be one of the most incredible things you could get behind for all the right reasons.
I'll give each of you a last word. We'll go around, uh, Dr. Johnson, then Laura, and then Leanne. Dr. Johnson. Yeah, again, I can't express enough gratitude for Breaks for Breasts and the shop owners and Karm for giving us this platform. And just going back to what I said earlier about each research lab being its own little shop. And, you know, if somebody decides to retire, you know, maybe that's the end of the shop in your business world.
And that's what happens in the science world as well. And if somebody, unfortunately, like my former head of lab, Dr. Tuohy, who pioneered the vaccine, passes away as he did in January 2023, that usually means the end of the lab. And that was the expectation. And I, you know, talked to the head of our department and he said, you know, we'll find you guys other jobs and we'll wind down this program.
And I said, no, absolutely not. Dr. Tui's vision is too important. We need to keep this going. And I showed him the research and he said, this is great, but it needs funding. I said, we've got funding. Breaks for breaths. And if it weren't for that moment and me being able to say, we still have backing for this program, that would have been the end of it.
And that would have meant phase 1 would not have been completed. And we certainly wouldn't be talking about phase 2. So with the full support of Cleveland Clinic and the new head of lab, Dr. Stappenbeck, and the gratitude and appreciation that we have for Breaks for Brass, all the shop owners, all the people that are coming to these shops and supporting this effort.
We are now stronger than ever. We're expanding the program. We're actually getting ready to hire another person. And we couldn't have done this without Breaks for Brass because we'd be telling a very different story right now. We'd be telling the story of how the TUI Lab almost made it. And unfortunately, had to pack up and shut it down. And like I said, not only are we not shutting it down, but we're in a brand new facility and we're expanding and we're stronger than ever with no end in sight.
So thank you. That was the best why summary I've heard. Thank you for that. Yes. Thank you, Laura. You're making me cry. Oh, I want to say to Dr. Johnson, Thank you for fighting to keep this lab going. That is like all of the work we've done. If that would've shut down, where would that have gone? I don't know where that research would've gone.
So thanks for keeping us alive too. Yeah, absolutely. It kept Breaks for Breasts alive. Thank you for that. I do want to say that Breaks for Breasts is every shop that has ever participated. And without every shop in our industry and the support of Carm and all the other people that support within the industry, Brakes for Breasts would not exist. So I wanna thank everybody for that.
I want to reach out to all the shops that are like, well, I don't know, I'm not big enough. I won't earn enough money. I may not do enough brake jobs. Every single penny counts. So whether you have 10 shops, 2 bays, 1 shop, you know, 5 shops, it doesn't matter. Every single penny counts and it all makes a difference and it all moves the needle.
So don't let that be a reason that you don't join us this year. Well said, Laura. Thank you. Leanne? I mean, I just have to say Breaks for Breasts, I don't know how to quite describe it other than it's just good. It's right. It's true. From the very moment we met Dr. Tui, And he said, ladies, prevention is the cure. We don't want to operate, but we don't want to give them horrible drugs, but prevention, that's where we're at.
And that just resonated perfectly. Boy, if Laura and I could have envisioned, we didn't know who we were looking for, but the moment we met him, we knew that was him. We loved his vision. And then how does that happen? We have a grassroots effort. That this incredible industry has supported. Every single penny, every single penny has gone directly to the research.
And then Dr. Tuohy passes, passing of a great man, and Dr. Justin is there to just pick up the torch and run with it. I mean, this just has great all over it from day one. Leanne and Laura, your vision was incredible then, and it continues to be. Hey, thank you all for being here. Appreciate it. Thank you, Carm. Thank you, Carm.
And by the way, breaksforbreasts.com. We've scrolled that on the bottom of the screen, but we may not have said it enough. We'll make sure that the link is in the show notes. breaksforbreasts.com. Thanks, guys. If anybody has questions, call us. Our numbers are there. We're happy to help. Yeah, their phone numbers are there. Yeah. If we ever make it through an episode where we don't cry, we know we've done it too long.
Thanks. Bye-bye. Thanks for being on board to listen and learn from the premier automotive repair business podcast, Remarkable Results Radio. Get your episodic education on the ARPN listening app at automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com. Also enjoy the podcast on our Carm Capriato YouTube channel. Carm is all for advancing the professional automotive service industry. Until next time.
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Now I have some opinions about CRM systems. Both of us come from a background that deals in these systems. Craig O'Neill: You have opinions as well, and you have some observations, and my observation is simply this: the systems themselves are capable of some pretty cool things- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... Craig O'Neill: but we aren't using them very well. The it's not broken, they're being misused, is the title of our conversation today. Your CRM isn't broken, it's being misused. Craig O'Neill: And I don't like to walk into a conversation with "Oh, you're doing something wrong", or on the opposite side of it, I don't like to walk into a conversation as you guys are doing it right. You're just fine, but other people are doing it..." Like I, I've used stuff wrong. I've made mistakes in how I leverage the different systems and tools that are available, and I just believe, and I hope you just go along with us today, there might be a better way than our way that we're approaching it now. Craig O'Neill: Be open to that. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Be open to it, because what they're, what you as a shop may be doing today is working. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. It's not even a debate. It is getting results of a certain level and type that are appearing to be adequate. Jimmy Lea: Adequate for today. And hopefully with this conversation that you and I are gonna have as we talk about the customer relationship management software Hopefully there's something we can expose shops to that might say, "Hey, maybe there is a different way of doing this." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: So what are these ways? What are the five mistakes that shops make the most, or not the mistakes. What, how can we help these shops improve? Sure. I would call Craig O'Neill: them hurdles that we have to get over, right? Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. This one it's an opportunity for us to make it better. It's an opportunity to make it better. Jimmy Lea: This is what it is. It's not a mistake. You're not doing it wrong. Consider this. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. We're gonna talk about a lot of things on this, and I think before we even get into those hurdles, let's talk about the nature of communication today. Yeah. People's attention span today, because I think that there's a couple of different things that we need to understand. Craig O'Neill: And first off, let's talk about why we even wanna leverage a CRM system. And for many shops, you might have a sustainable s- sort of automatic practice here, but when you're a busy shop, you feel very successful, and then all of a sudden things are not as busy as they are. This happens to all of us. All the time. Craig O'Neill: We've ... shop, Jimmy, our transmission shop, family business that I came up, down into grew up in, and like we never had a slow spell. The shops around us always had those little slow spells, and we're like, "Yeah, we don't." And that was a good feeling until it happened to us, too. So we're all vulnerable to it, and the knee-jerk reaction that I see is this. Craig O'Neill: People as eventually hit that slow spell. They check, see if other people are experiencing it, too. We comfort ourselves with the fact that others are doing it, defining it as a, a market-wide symptom of broader events that we have no control over. And so then we can just comfort ourselves with another idea. Craig O'Neill: It's like, "Ah, it'll come back around." And I heard this over, and over again from my family who is owner of the business, my, my dad and my grandpa, because that has been the experience. It always comes back around. Why would we ever be okay with the fact that a slow spell also technically always comes back around? Craig O'Neill: And if our knee-jerk reaction to those moments is then to go into a, a degree of marketing or a degree of follow-up or a mass blast text strategy, like I see a lot of people fall into is like, "Huh, the work needs to be drummed up. We'll turn to our CRM system. We'll construct the perfect message and send it out, and then people will make appointments and fill our bays." Craig O'Neill: Sound familiar? Jimmy Lea: Oh, it does. It does. And if we know those, those times are gonna come back around because it's cyclical, what are we doing? We... It- Yeah ... is preventable. What are we doing that we can prevent this from happening and being that cyclical item? Because- Craig O'Neill: This is, this goes straight into it, because what I see people doing with the knee-jerk response is they're actually crippling their ability to handle the cycles of this. Craig O'Neill: When you do a knee-jerk text blast response, what's the number one reaction that you get to it every single time? Opt-outs. They are the most common reaction to this, and that's what I... If you go on the socials and you look on comment threads of shop owners experiencing a slow spell, they're asking each other "What's the perfect message that you can type out that gets fewer opt-outs and more appointments?" Craig O'Neill: There isn't one. There is no perfect message that gets X number of people. The ratio will never be the same in two demographics with unique people being the customers or clients in every one of the unique repair facilities that we have. There is no perfect message. Jimmy Lea: No. They're not. They're looking for that silver bullet, Craig. Craig O'Neill: Yes. It's silver bullet is the right term for this, and I discussed this on my podcast in an early episode of the podcast Speak Up: Effective Communication on the Automotive Repair Podcast Network. It was episode 14. I said, "What your opt-outs are really telling you," and I think that what they are telling us is something we need to listen to. Craig O'Neill: So now on that, let's move into the attention span of the people in the world today versus the past. And Jimmy, I love to read. I love deep thoughts, and we're gonna get philosophical for a second. I know you don't mind. Love it. We love this. Yeah. Let's Jimmy Lea: go. Craig O'Neill: Signature classic, C.S. Lewis. One of my favorites, Screwtape Letters. Craig O'Neill: In the early chapters in that book it's describing... I won't go into the details of Screwtape Letters, but the way that you distract someone if you're trying to distract them from serious thoughts in C.S. Lewis' time period was, and I'll quote here from the book that- Got the guy to think he was hungry, and then I showed him a newsboy shouting, "The midday paper," and the number 73 bus going past, and before he reached the bottom of the steps, I had him into an unalterable conviction that whatever odd ideas might come into the man's head when he was shut up alone with his books, a healthy dose of real life, which he meant by the bus and the newsboy, was enough to show him that all that sort of thing just couldn't be true. Craig O'Neill: He knew he had a narrow escape, and then years later was fond of talking about it. I w- I'll skip ahead. But thanks to the process which we set at work in them centuries ago, they find it all but impossible to believe in the unfamiliar while the familiar is before their eyes. So this is hard to digest 'cause it's C.S. Craig O'Neill: Lewis. You... It's like a tough piece of wonderful, awesome, the best flavor steak in the world that you gotta chew on a whole lot of times before you can actually get to digesting it. But the point is, C.S. Lewis's era, the distraction was you wanted to get them into this stream of events and that's your business is to fix his attention on the stream. Craig O'Neill: Teach it to call it real life, and don't let him ask what it means by real. And that stream is exactly what people are having today. This is a word used by C.S. Lewis before streaming like we are on a webinar, streaming across the web even existed. What distracted a man? Just being on the street with a bus and a newsboy shouting. Craig O'Neill: That's yesterday. That's 1940s United Kingdom, actually, in C.S. Lewis' time. Let's fast-forward Johann Hari's book, Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention and How to Think Deeply Again, absolutely nails the same point in the modern age and puts a name to it with this term called the f- this frenetic digital interruption, and he says, "Is pulling our attention away from our thoughts and suppressing your default mode network," cool term. Craig O'Neill: I think we're almost in this constant stimulus-driven, stimulus-bound environment, moving from one distraction to the next, and if you don't remove yourself from that, it will suppress whatever train of thought you had, right? And I think that frenetic digital distraction really i- it's just, we have to acknowledge this is the reality we're in today, and there's people that are struggling with notifications and attention, and bombarded with media messages. Craig O'Neill: Every news article you read has the pop-up ads. Are we in that same zone like C.S. Lewis, where a newsboy and the sign on a bus is the only thing that could distract our attention? No. We are under a constant 24/7 assault for our attention span today. That's where we're communicating from, and when your shop gets a little slow and you decide you're gonna have a knee-jerk reaction to the slowness, and you expect a message to land that leads to action with a population that's drowning in this reality, would it be any surprise that it only sees marginal results? Jimmy Lea: Is there any irony that it is called streaming? Is there any irony that it's called a reel? No. Craig O'Neill: Jimmy, it's like the oldest problems are always resurfaced again in our lifetimes today- Yep ... with different technology. Jimmy Lea: Oh, it's totally different. And now it's 17-second blurbs about it's a seven-second commercial, it's a 17-second commercial. Jimmy Lea: We're being bombarded with this instant stimuli to totally distract us from what is actually real- Yes ... and consequential, and you're being bombarded by things that are momentary blurbs of Jimmy Lea: Endorphins Craig O'Neill: Yeah. It, and it just- It's a Jimmy Lea: temporary- Craig O'Neill: You're competing with that- Yeah ... tendency too, to escape with these things. You're spot on. This, this topic is why I lead into these five barriers to that are causing us, like the things that we're misusing in our CRMs, right? Yeah. I consider them barriers or hurdles because we can get over them. Craig O'Neill: Yeah ... and we can decide to lever it right. And number one and we have a slide for this, so I put it up there. I know some people like to read and some people can listen. I wanted to put this quote on there because... And I'm gonna, fatal sin of speakers, I'm gonna read the quote. I know it's on the slide, but I know some of you can't see it, and I know some of you are only listening. Craig O'Neill: Yes. I can't read it. Oh, Jimmy, I'm sorry. It's too small. Too small? Oh, that's okay. That's why I'm here. Yeah. So- You can Jimmy Lea: read all of them. Read all of Craig O'Neill: them ... it's a big meaty slide. Problem number one though is we're not communicating to people on what matters to them. That's the problem. And to reference this point the, a great read, and please write this down, pick up this book, How to Win Friends and Influence People in the Digital Age. Craig O'Neill: Amen. If you're interested in this topic at all, read that book. It's from the Dale Carnegie and Associates. So updated for the digital age. There's so many profoundly good things in this, and this is a quote I pulled straight from the book, and I wanna make sure it gets its proper reference there. Craig O'Neill: But it says, "When it comes to mattering to others, you must discuss what matters to them. Assume all else will fall on deaf, or in this case, dull ears. This is an interesting principle to consider given the spirit in which the vast majority of people are communicating today. Most messages are primarily meant to educate others about our lives, our products, to reveal compelling portions of ourselves we think others would be attracted to. Craig O'Neill: While this appears to be an assertive strategy, it is actually a passive strategy in that it requires others to connect with us." "The trouble is that's marketing monologue, not relational dialogue. It's assumption, not assimilation. When assumption guides our efforts to befriend or influence others, the results end up on the wrong side of memorable." Craig O'Neill: Okay. End quote. That is that's another, like I'm giving you solid food to digest today. That's, that's- ... we don't have time to go this layer of depth in our presentation at Mars, so that's why I'm really happy to have this conversation today. It's a primer. If you walk in primed with some of these thoughts, you're gonna be able to get a lot more out of it. Craig O'Neill: But here's where I go with this. We are communicating from a position of our interests most of the time in the auto repair shop. When it slows down, we're interested in filling our bay. If we were really interested in having those customers come in, we would have done the harder work of relating and documenting and managing the data, all sorts of things differently to have a sustained conversation that they understood the value in, because we understand what's important to them. Craig O'Neill: And that's a whole different thing, and that's gonna come up again as we move into these, these other hurdles. But I think that's the thing, first and foremost, remember what messages right now are you pushing out there that are not memorable? I didn't give this in the slide, but I have an example recently, Jimmy very recently. Craig O'Neill: I turned 43 earlier in August, and I'm not on social media these days. The one thing that was fun is getting all those birthday harvests. You know how you get all the happy birthday thing. It's actually a lot of work. Yeah. Then you gotta go like everything and all that stuff too. But don't worry, I don't miss that entirely because I have been a patron in local businesses that have CRM systems in my neighborhood chiefly my Subaru dealership where we have a, a vehicle leased presently. Craig O'Neill: And I got three happy birthday emails from three separate people in that organization. Two of them were identical emails automatically constructed, and there was a neat little quote in the bottom of one of those emails. It actually said, "This email is automatically generated, and we do not monitor replies to it." Jimmy Lea: Oh my God. That's- Craig O'Neill: But it was a beautiful picture of balloons with the branding of that dealership on it. Oh, it was touching. It was such a great birthday blessing to receive that on Sunday afternoon. Jimmy Lea: Had it been from an actual person and not an automated system would've made it even better, but... Craig O'Neill: Sure. But does the birthday greeting from a business actually land on the memorable side of communication, or is it a cheap and simple automated gimmick to feign that you care with a direct interest that is more for the business's benefit rather than it is for my birthday, right? Craig O'Neill: Congratulations, you captured my birth date in a data field in a system that is automated to generate a joy, because I don't unsubscribe because I love these examples. It really was a gift for me that I get to use and communicate from. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. And that's good. That's good. Craig O'Neill: But no, this is a common thing, and we've we've seen this strategy. Craig O'Neill: You and I have been in the CRM space for a while, and you've seen that given as a best practice. We wanna capture the, birth date and month, not the year. Birth date and month. And then you can have these sort of birthday messages go out. All right, maybe you have that strategy applied in your shop. Craig O'Neill: Is that a wrongness? No. Maybe some people really appreciate it. I think a lot of people don't give it a second thought, and that's the majority. Jimmy Lea: They probably don't, but they also aren't sending it from an email that is not being monitored and not gonna reply. Craig O'Neill: Let's hope not. Yeah. ' Jimmy Lea: Cause if Jimmy's Super Shop were to send you a happy birthday message, it would purely be a happy birthday message. Jimmy Lea: There's no other ulterior motives whatsoever. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Jimmy- And you would reply and say, "Oh, thank you so much, Jimmy's Super Shop." We would reply again to say Craig O'Neill: I would hope so. Yeah. Now, my experience in birthdays are one thing, but all sorts of messages. I know when CRM automation occurs, and I'll touch on this at Mars a little bit further the team is not engaged in that part of the process, and it's difficult for them to engage in the inbound Present Jimmy Lea: conversation. Jimmy Lea: Yeah Craig O'Neill: Yep. There's a, a loss of continuity there. So I do feel a lot of times there's automated things going out from a shop, but there is actually no behavior that is being encouraged or directed or accountable any accountability layer for the team to be a participant in that. So it does play in that. Craig O'Neill: But this goes to number two which I think is at the root of the whole problem, and this is, again, another quote from the Dale Carnegie and Associates. First off, problem number two we're not cultivating a community, and this, this principle comes for me from my study in this book. And as I was reading that book, assessing how shops are leveraging CRMs, this stuck out. Craig O'Neill: And it says, and I quote, "Often forgotten is the long-term plan. Businesses call it a customer retention strategy, but it is best thought of as a lively, meaningful dialogue among a community of friends. If the foundation of all long-term success is the establishment of trust-based relationships, then the goal of all interactions should be to convey value as soon and as often as possible." Jimmy Lea: Not just birthdays. Craig O'Neill: Not just birthdays as a data field. What's meaningful for a client in a repair shop? What's meaningful to them in a repair shop? What is the purpose in our community, and how are you articulating the value of staying in touch so we can continue to express what this purpose is and how it benefits you? Craig O'Neill: And by the way, Mr. Client, it's very important, save this number in your phone so that you recognize that we're a contact 'cause you can reach out to us here, and we're gonna be here if you have any questions. And that's starting to get to the sense of community here. And Jimmy, this is getting more important. Craig O'Neill: In today's world, here's a tip for y'all right now. I want you to open up your phone, go to your text message app, look at the spam folder How many messages do you have in the spam folder of your messages app, whether you're using Android or Apple, does not matter. Automatically, messages are going straight to those folders with default settings from the phone's operating system and device. Craig O'Neill: There's a bunch in there, and a lot of it probably is spam, correct, Jimmy? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I'm pretty sure all of it's spam. Craig O'Neill: A lot of times it's very accurate in mine. I- I've only on occasion seen one or two messages in there. Here's how your shop is gonna land in the spam folder. If the client never accepts you as a contact and never engages in the dialogue with you in text. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: And so the manifestation of this, and I've started to see more of this recently, very recently, just this summer people sending a DVI link to their client, for example, but the client claims they never got it. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: But they do receive- Because it went to spam ... messages without the link went to the spam folder because sometimes those links are just being interpreted when it's not saved as a contact. Craig O'Neill: The solution is to get it saved as a contact. Interesting little issue, but that takes a little effort, doesn't it, to keep your client- Yeah ... to add you as a contact. There's some cool tools to do that, simple QR code scans, and lots of things we can do at the counter to help people through this problem. Craig O'Neill: But we need our advisors to express the importance of the communication and why they should want it before they'll ever accept it as a contact. Jimmy Lea: That's right. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So interesting, right? So I think that cultivation of a community, that's the easy entry point. Help them understand the value of the communication that's coming and why we're going to be reaching you and make sure they actually do want it. Craig O'Neill: And that leads perfectly into hurdle number three. Hurdle number three is we are not gaining an opt-in for the purpose we seek. And Jimmy, you know this is true across the board generally for opt-ins and shop capturing, and we're gonna talk just a minute about this here as well. We'll do this after the next point. Craig O'Neill: The next point is a strong one on this. But you want the customer to want the message from you. Yeah. Does that happen automatically that they understand what you're going to be sending them and why you're going to be sending it? Jimmy Lea: Not unless you explain it. Craig O'Neill: Not unless you explain it. What's the value in it for them? Craig O'Neill: Why is there a benefit for them to be on a list in your shop for a certain type of message? I used an example earlier about text blast when it gets slow. And the mistake I see the most, Jimmy, is that shops literally have their all or repeat customer list, and they just hit this whole list with this message like, "Hey, we're slow. Craig O'Neill: Come in." Yeah. What if... just go with me here. Love it. What if you created a list that people could sign up and subscribe to in your shop? It's like, "Hey, if you wanna join our slow day list, there's a couple advantages of this. If you wanna just you have a few lingering maintenance items type of a thing, and we have openings we have a... Craig O'Neill: Maybe there's a promotion rate, or maybe it's just literally we can get you in and out because we know time is important, and we're not a discount culture anymore here, right? So maybe we express the speed of service. We know it's inconvenient to have the car down when it's quiet like this. We'll have loaners or rides available. Craig O'Neill: Whatever. There's benefits for you signing up on this list, so you can gain access to this thing that we're gonna do to make it better for you. Would you like to be on that list? We maybe send one or two of these out-" a quarter and perfect, right? And they sign up for that, so now you've got a warm lead list of people who are ready to fill your bays when they need filling. Craig O'Neill: How hard would it be to create that? Jimmy Lea: Oh, not very hard, and I wanna rename it already. I wanna call it the VIP available spots list. Perfect. Craig O'Neill: Yes. Yes. All sorts of things that you could do. Yeah, you could call it your membership list. Whatever. You go crazy. Have fun with it. Communicate the value of it. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And you have some- My wife does this at art shows. She sells her art in these art shows, and she's found that even just the placement of the sign-up form matters. Like, when it's front and center, people who are waiting in line for the checkout now are able to sign into that book while they're waiting for their turn to check out with the art, and she gets way more signups for her email list. Craig O'Neill: Love it. It's perfect. Yeah, and similar practices are totally possible still today, but what do shops do? We automatically assume everyone wants to get any type of message we wanna have for any purpose, and we never clarify or distinguish any special type of thing, and thus they never get the opt-in. Craig O'Neill: And thus, what are your opt-outs telling you? Man, that's their first chance to talk to you about their preference for the type of communication you send. And you know what happens in an opt-out, Jimmy. You know as well as I do. That number's blacklisted at the carrier level. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: That's hard to undo. Now you gotta communicate to them about the value of reengaging in that by texting the word start to this number, and that's a harder thing for a busy service advisor or customer service rep to be able to engage in. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No, it's true. It's true. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: We've gotta communicate with them on the level they want in the form that they want. And sometimes those opt-outs are them saying, "Look, I just don't want to communicate in this method." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: But what do they prefer? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Might Craig O'Neill: be. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: What's the conversation? Where have you built the relationship to continue that conversation on their preferred platform? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Look, I cooked my cellphone a long time ago doing demos of AutoFlow at, with multiple instances. Now I get texts that I forget to clear out of their thing all the time. That texting's not the best way to get me during the day. I am, however, in my inbox. And I promise you, you have clients that's the same thing for them too. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Or they don't even want... Now, go with me here. What if we had a list of people who prefer a phone call follow-up, Jimmy? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. And there are. Craig O'Neill: Yes. Jimmy Lea: There's people that's what they would prefer. Craig O'Neill: Yes. 100% yes. And if you don't get the buy-in from that group, and you think everyone wants a phone call follow-up we already do this- You're wrong Craig O'Neill: at Chris' shop, Jimmy. Yeah. You wanna know in about 90 to 120 follow-up calls that we do in a week there we have a gal doing this for us, for Golden Rule Auto Care. Yeah. We get about 10 to 15% of those calls that go out end up with good connections. Like a good conversation. Jimmy Lea: Oh, they actually answer the phone and have a Craig O'Neill: conversation. Craig O'Neill: Actually answer the phone and have a conversation. Only 10 to 15% 10 to 15. Around 120 calls. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. I, Craig O'Neill: I- Not a huge number. Jimmy Lea: No, it's not. Because people are busy, and they don't wanna be interrupted. And those that want the conversations, they're the ones that answer the phone. And the other 80, 85%, 90% prefer a text message or an email or a Facebook message or purely nothing at all. Jimmy Lea: Thank you very much. Goodbye. Craig O'Neill: Let me ask you this, Jimmy. You got it, man. And when you get a phone call today from a number that's not a contact in your phone- ... do you answer it? Jimmy Lea: Voicemail. No. I- Craig O'Neill: Or screening? Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: I found the you push the two buttons on both sides, boop, right into voicemail. Done. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. I, I have, one of the call screener things on mine now. If it's not a contact, it hits that pretty much automatically. I don't answer my phone. I don't answer my phone. I then check to see the missed call, and if it is something important, I'll call it back. That's the world we're entering, and it's the same principle that we just discussed with that text message that i- if they darn a contact, same is true for the phone number that you're dialing from. Craig O'Neill: If that hasn't yet been saved as a contact, look, guys, your call isn't gonna be trusted yet. Area codes that are mine are the least trusted. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yes. But that's the world now, and we have to be able to recognize that and combat that. Yeah ... but that involves becoming that contact, agreeing to that type of conversation, and maybe making a note somewhere in your management or CRM system about those preferred lev- levels of contact. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So- that's the hard work here, and I understand why shops that are low staff or only have one service advisor to five technicians, and he's also the CSR, and he handles payroll because he's also the owner, and yeah, it gets really tough really fast. And you have opportunity there when you're overwhelmed to hire someone else who can do these things, that's gonna add value to your business. Craig O'Neill: They'll be able to help cultivate these lists, which ke- it's more retention, guarantees you have the income and the cashflow to be able to support their livelihood, and everything gets better. But the starting point's really tough. Problem Jimmy Lea: Number four Craig O'Neill: Let's go. All right, this one's key. Mass blasts- Oh Craig O'Neill: without express written permission are against the law. True. And this is- True ... the really bonkers part of this is shops are loosely aware of this and yet they do it anyway. I forget what the fine is right now, and I'm not a lawyer. I'm not giving legal advice. Just disclaimer on that if you can put it in bold. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, no. But I think it's a $1,500 fine per offense, and if somebody knows that they did not expressly give you permission to text them very specifically- Jimmy Lea: Yep ... Craig O'Neill: text is what we're talking about here. Yep ... that's something they could sue you for and win every time. Notice a lot of the largest organizations out there with multiple locations do not engage in this method of follow-up Jimmy Lea: Because- They Craig O'Neill: know the targets Jimmy Lea: they've lost multiple court cases. Jiffy Lube is one that comes to mind. You can Google it. Court cases where Jiffy Lube had to pay out multimillion dollars because of their mass texting clients. A- and- and what's makes it worse is that they were mass texting clients who had opted out. Craig O'Neill: Oh. Oh, no. Craig O'Neill: So they had a blacklist failure- Yeah ... which is even another thing. So yeah, this is where, okay, you videcoders out there, I know you're out there, and I know you're even playing with APIs from groups like Twilio. And you might think "Cool, we can do texting real easy." Guess what? Start managing your blacklist because Twilio sometimes doesn't do it properly for you. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And the carrier sometimes doesn't do it properly, and it is still you on the hook every time. And if you're giving your software platform to other people to use, your platform, unless it has clear terms and conditions, could also fall under some scrutiny. Oh, boy. It gets sticky. Investigate that. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. It does. It really is. So there's a difference between mass sending a marketing message versus pinpointing and being very specific. Craig O'Neill: Oh, I'm glad you bring this up, Jimmy. Yeah we have a slide on this. So CRM permissions are not actually the same across the board in multiple channels. So the- you probably use terms like transactional versus promotional, Jimmy, I'm sure. Craig O'Neill: But industry terms do vary from- from some- And our industry itself is not usually good at taking universal language- ... Craig O'Neill: And carrying it forward. But these three categories of- of text messages, I put this out. This is I don't have the source on here, but I pulled this source from online. Craig O'Neill: Conversational, informational, promotional. I wanna draw your attention to that blue arrow on the screen. It's kind of a bluish-green arrow, Jimmy. It's on that- Yep ... one, two, three, third row down, where it's talking about how that- that message is constructed. Messages promoting a brand, a product, or a service Or anything that prompts a consumer to buy something, go somewhere, or otherwise take an action. Craig O'Neill: That, if it's in that category, requires express written consent to be legal. Express written consent. Consumers may sign a form, check a box online, or otherwise provide consent to receive promotional text message in some fashion. That express written consent is the highest form of consent, and I haven't met an organization that's tracking it yet. Jimmy Lea: And through the TCPA- Yeah ... which is the act that governs over texting and how you can communicate, it used to be that you had to have a wet signature for that promotional message to go out, and you had to retain it for seven years even after you stopped your business. You still had to have it on file. Jimmy Lea: It's now changed. You can track it digitally. Yes. But you have to be able to provide the source, the date, the time, where it consent was given- Craig O'Neill: Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: for you to send promotional messages. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: conversational, reminders, informational. Now and it's interesting you've got informational broke out here that you do need consent Craig O'Neill: Express consent, which is different than express written consent, and this was interesting to me when I started studying this too, and these things are pretty stable. Craig O'Neill: I don't see this element changing a lot. Yeah. But permission can happen over text on that, or on a form or a website, or verbally, and that's an interesting one. And that's just a message that contains information, just information. It's a status update, it's an appointment confirmation or a reminder. Craig O'Neill: Those types of things are information text, and that's handled- Yeah ... very differently than a promotional marketing text that's asking them to take an action. It tips towards promotional anytime you're asking them to click a link to schedule an appointment, for example, on your slow day blast type of scenario. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. That is a promotional text purely. Even if it's a deferred service reminder. Think about those deferred service drips that people have active in just about every CRM system in the world. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: That is asking the consumer to take an action, and this is exactly the type of thing I will be combating in, in, in our session at Mars 'cause we have a better way forward. Craig O'Neill: We can start talking a little bit about that here too. But those deferred work little drips are... Like, it's a strange thing to do. It's the thing your customer said no to during your visit that we're now assuming they want to receive an, a reminder about without any knowledge that this is coming, and certainly no express written consent. Craig O'Neill: And all of the burden is fully on them to take the action to make something happen about that still deferred work. Yeah. We aren't doing anything. We, in fact, automated the whole thing. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. So what's- Craig O'Neill: It's a passive reminder, as we discussed earlier, right? Jimmy Lea: What's the better way? Are we gonna discuss that here, or are you waiting for Mars? Craig O'Neill: Oh, we can ta- we can talk on it here. So our better way is, it depends on our sense of purpose here, but I think let's go to barrier number five before we talk about that better way, 'cause I think this plays into the whole topic that we're discussing. And this is really the largest barrier, and it is the, the one that I think needs to be overcome before you fix any of the other ones. Craig O'Neill: We don't have our whole organization truly oriented towards retention as a goal What are we oriented towards then? Is the question I like to ask. And if you really stop and you really think about what your organization is structured to achieve, what is it? And it might be what you consider your most important metric might give you a clue. Craig O'Neill: I think it's an interesting question to ask, Jimmy. I do this a lot in different courses. I ask what's the most important metric for a service advisor or for a technician or for this or that?" I like to ask specifically for our front counter staff, whether it be a CSR, a reservationist, a service advisor, whoever we have working our front counter. Craig O'Neill: What is their most important metric? And you get all kinds of answers. You've probably heard every one of them, Jimmy. Closing rate. Those service advisors are like, "I sell 98.92% of all work I ever write up." Terrible stat, by the way, 'cause that's the work you write up. You can artificially inflate your closing rate on sales by writing up what you know will sell. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. But I th- I'm gonna give you my answer. Jimmy Lea: Okay. Craig O'Neill: Your ratio of returning customers Jimmy Lea: Agreed Craig O'Neill: It's your most important statistic Jimmy Lea: If they're not coming back, you're doing something wrong Craig O'Neill: Correct. Yeah, I don't care what your ARO is really. It's an interesting stat to know. You'll establish baselines for all sorts of KPIs. Craig O'Neill: They tell you useful information. But is our goal to sell all of the stuff we find on every visit? And is our team like, "Is that's what's gonna impress the boss? That's what's gonna make him very happy"? Jimmy Lea: No, returning customers. Totally agree. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, because what's the value of one good visit, right? Yeah. Craig O'Neill: What's the value of one visit versus the lifetime value of a client? Jimmy Lea: Yes. The lifetime value has so much more weight to it. Neck and neck. Tens of thousands of dollars versus- Craig O'Neill: Hundreds. Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: hundreds that, for that one visit. Craig O'Neill: Some, yeah. Yeah. And o- I had family accounts, family accounts- Yeah ... literally in the hundreds of thousands with, For Jimmy Lea: the lifetime value? Craig O'Neill: Lifetime value of that particular individual. He had a lot of vehicles in the family. Jimmy Lea: And, What's the family fleet? Craig O'Neill: It's the family fleet ... it's a family fleet. It's Jimmy Lea: a Craig O'Neill: fleet Jimmy Lea: account. Craig O'Neill: Yep. Yep, but even when the kids grew up, they were still coming in as well, too, and that, the lifetime value of the relationships that turn into more things, like, man, if that's true, though, and we do this. Craig O'Neill: Jimmy, we pay lip service to this all the time in our industry. It's a relationship-based business. It is. And then we go and we emphasize we gotta sell this much, and this is our target for sales, and all this other thing, and it's and how much time really are we putting our human attention on our team's human attention in this frenetic age on retention strategy? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. How involved are they in your team right now towards the goal of getting people back in the door from the beginning of that visit to the end of that visit, and what happens in between, the humans involved? And Jimmy, you've been in this industry. It... Most shops, I hear they say, "Hey, my guys aren't gonna use this. Craig O'Neill: I just need this to be automated." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. We'll try and make it sound as personal as possible in that automation, but Craig O'Neill: Yeah, we use those cool little variables. Your service advisor gets filled in with the service advisor's name, all the automated message, and automation has merit. It does. We create, through automation, consistent repeatability of things that we want to have occur That's good, right? Craig O'Neill: It is. Jimmy Lea: Make it personable, and make sure you're responding. Craig O'Neill: And make sure you had a hand in that, and make sure you are responding. Correct. The service advisors know these are going out, they know when it's going out, and they're maybe involved in scanning to see who replied and who didn't, or maybe that's somebody's job in the shop. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And we'll talk about this at Mars a little further. I believe it is somebody's job in the shop. We call... I call it the reservationist. A lot of people have a CSR. Yes ... it's a fun topic because... And it goes deep, and we have podcasts on that too. But dude, it's an orientation thing. It's if it's important to you, you're gonna do something about it. Craig O'Neill: If it's not important to you, you won't do anything about it, and that's the measure that, yeah, like, all right. So I just kinda threw a C.S. Lewis mindset at you. There's like this is one of the things I love about reading some of these, these thinkers, right? It's and of course, he's Christian apologetics and that sort of thing, but he said... Craig O'Neill: i'm breaking it down to just a simple point, like something is important or it's not important at all. Craig O'Neill: That middle ground in this topic, I think this is true, that middle ground's not given to us, which forces us to either have to decide, "Eh, it's really not important and we can continue as we are because we're okay with the results," or, "No, this is a really important topic. Craig O'Neill: Our strategy for getting clients into the shop is of actually critical importance to the ultimate success of our business, and is the most important thing that we should be focusing on to guarantee our success. So we're gonna really put in all of our effort towards this goal instead of just reacting to the chaos, reacting to the things that made it in today." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: Wow. What would happen to your business with that focus? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. Yeah. Man. We wanna exponentially increase it. We wanna rocket fuel this. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: And I wonder what the statistics are. There, there was a, a, a read a while ago that talked about restaurant industry was tracking this. How can they get a client to come back for the second dining experience- Yeah Jimmy Lea: and the third dining experience, and the fourth dining experience? And once they get 'em in for that fourth dining experience, they've got a client for life. Craig O'Neill: True. Yeah. I actually just had a interesting restaurant follow-up. I'm on the email list for one of the sushi joints here in Grand Rapids. I love sushi. Craig O'Neill: Love this place. We go Maru Sushi on Cherry Street. Fantastic. Next time you're in Grand Rapids, wonderful. Love going there with my wife. It's our go-to spot. We had a couple months of a dry spell there where we didn't make it in, and we were busy with art shows and all sorts of stuff. Sure. And I got an email that must have been triggered. Craig O'Neill: It's like their little lost customer reminder. It's like- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... " Craig O'Neill: It's been a while. Here's a free app- appetizer" Okay ... for next, on, on your next visit." It was an interesting follow-up. I thought it was really good. Oh yeah, it has been a while. Man, I want sushi right now, is what I experienced with that. Craig O'Neill: And then, and there's a benefit for me right there in it, and I already wanna go there anyways. It's just been a while. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: It's a great way of getting you back in. I, there, there was the example That the manager would go around and say, "Oh, is this your first time?" They had different colored napkins, so he knew- The servers ask us, they're the new ones that don't recognize us. Jimmy Lea: They ask, "Have you guys been in before?" It's like, "Oh, yeah." Yeah. All right. "You can hold on to the menu. N- unless you need it to show us that you haven't taken the order yet," right? Yeah. Yeah. The the managers are going around and they're giving away, "Hey, on your second visit, make sure you try the cheesecake, and here's a coupon for a free cheesecake." Jimmy Lea: You get me back for a $100 meal for a free cheesecake, is it worth it? Craig O'Neill: Totally. Jimmy Lea: What's that cheesecake cost you? Craig O'Neill: Cheapest marketing. All right. So look- Cheesecake more cost ... how much Jimmy Lea: money Craig O'Neill: do you spend on other marketing efforts for what kind of results? Jimmy Lea: Yeah. And we've got to do the optimizing everywhere. Jimmy Lea: We've got to optimize ourself in all the locations. There's, which is true. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: But also how effective, and it's extremely, ex- extremely effective when they're there at your shop enjoying the experience, you give them a reason to come back. Craig O'Neill: Yes. And I like what you said there, Jimmy, and I think that's worth drawing some out a little further. Craig O'Neill: What you described is what I we have an improv club in our Toastmasters club, so the we play a lot of improv games, and we've been taught the yes and- Yes and ... approach. Yes and. Yes and. It is, it's, so it's a rule in improv where one of the people in your troupe are make something, that's truth now. Craig O'Neill: You react with that. It's not, you can't go combat this thing. It's not this or this. It's these things now have to be recognized as, as connected. The reality of Jimmy Lea: what you create. Combining forces for something good. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So you said- Using that idea ... all networks, all channels, and this is exactly it. Craig O'Neill: This conversation that we're having doesn't say "Oh, yeah, we just master this and we won't need to spend as much money in this other area." That's not necessarily the case. Now, although maybe you have have some restructuring of that, it's you do refine your strategy on how your team is engaging retention, and you continue your outreach efforts, and maybe restructure how your phone call skills and other things go into all the m- effort you did take towards generating leads actually gets converted into real clients that come back again. Jimmy Lea: Oh, yeah. W- I was talking to a shop the other day, "My marketing's not working. My marketing's not working. I need to redo all my marketing." Got digging into his phone call log, discovered 43% of phone calls were- Ooh ... not being answered. No. 43%. Craig O'Neill: This is the world th- that AI assistants are entering. Craig O'Neill: And Jimmy- Yes ... this is this is the deepest, saddest thing in the world for me. AI assistants are one, a thing that is i- in demand and two, that it's sometimes better than the Jimmy Lea: people. If you're not able to answer the phone, you need to figure out either you need a human that's there answering the phone, or you implement this AI answering system- Oh, man Jimmy Lea: that's tied to your point of sale that sees your schedule, that can schedule- Better Craig O'Neill: at containing the context and keeping the notes and everything else ... four different... Jimmy Lea: Absolutely. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, I know. Jimmy Lea: And it's true. If- I do not support the idea that the AI answering your system is going to replace your advisor. Jimmy Lea: Absolutely not. Yeah. Craig O'Neill: No. Jimmy Lea: You do need to answer the phone as quickly as you humanly possibly can, but if you're not able to, that's where you've got this backup that can take care of business. And it's an interesting thing. Craig O'Neill: And this backup Jimmy Lea: is just that. Yeah. It needs to be backup, not plan A. Craig O'Neill: Oh, not plan A. Craig O'Neill: And in fact, you need to be aware And we were having this conversation in our team, too 'cause our sales guys, when they're calling shops, they're hitting AI- Jimmy Lea: Yes ... Craig O'Neill: systems far more frequently than they ever used to, and it's interesting to see that volume go. But simultaneously, we understand, like, how do you feel personally when you call a business and the first thing you get is an AI? Craig O'Neill: Are you happy or a little sad about that? And in an election year right now, it has turned divisive. And we did tailor- trace this back to this really started about two weeks ago. Even in demos where we're talking about AI features- ... the data center issue is coming up. And, like, all these things are, like, top of mind, front and center. Craig O'Neill: "Oh, I can't believe you guys are engaging with AI stuff in this world right now." And it's oh, wow, hot button issue. You have an AI assistant, you probably are gonna have a 50/50 split. I'm y- I'm talking 50/50. Some people will love it and think it's fine or just tolerate it. The other 50% are going to hate it, hate you, and may never call you again. Craig O'Neill: And congratulations, now we're in 2026. Yep. Jimmy Lea: And I, I think the 50/50 might be a little, Craig O'Neill: I'm just thinking about how the elections play out- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... for two different parties. I propose there's probably a 30%, maybe a 33% that loves it, 33%- Fair ... that hates it, and 33% that's in that middle that says, "Ah." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: I Craig O'Neill: would love to see a strong third party too, Jimmy, but that's neither here nor there. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So look at this though. We talked orientation. We don't have a whole organization structured towards retention. Now I had a great coach. Bob Greenwood was my coach. He passed away 2021. And I talk about this frequently. I echo what he taught me a long time ago, and he described our professional responsibility. Craig O'Neill: He asked the question, "What's our job? What's our job? What is your job?" I remember being the technician in the room that raised my hand, and I told him what he was expecting someone in the room to raise their hand and say. Jimmy Lea: Fix cars. " Craig O'Neill: I fix cars." Yep. He pounced. He was ready. This is what he did. I've seen him do it multiple conversations after that. Craig O'Neill: He said, "No. Your job, your professional responsibility, is to make sure the vehicle's safe, reliable, and efficient. That's the job. And that, Mr. Client, is why we do a multi-point inspection on every vehicle that we do, and we will send this digitally to you, and we won't let you down." And there's lots more that goes into that, but there's a whole underlaying sense of purpose about the service that we provided. Craig O'Neill: And if that is our job, to make sure the vehicle's safe, reliable, and efficient, we owe it to our customers to be participants in that- Yeah ... as a member of the community of which they are also driving in. It has direct benefits to us and the other people we love on the streets. But that's an orientation, right? Craig O'Neill: And if that is what you believe about your purpose in this industry- Amen ... yeah, we're gonna start following up with the strong ability to communicate that sense of purpose, and people will hear the conviction in there and that commitment that you made to not letting them down. And that is not going to be heard in your competitors. Craig O'Neill: If you master this, and you don't, you will stand out, I promise you. Jimmy Lea: It's true. It's true. Yeah. Craig, this is a, a phenomenal conversation that we're having, talking about all things marketing, customers, customer relationships. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Managing those relationships, communicating in their preferred method, form, and fashion. Jimmy Lea: This is gonna continue in our Mars Conference. I can't wait. Let's throw up that QR code again. If you are able to attend, and you are listening to this, today is... What day is today? Craig O'Neill: Today is the 9th. Jimmy Lea: September 9th It's called Wednesday. September 9th, intensive giveaway winners. Oh, don't forget the giveaway winners here, Craig. Jimmy Lea: We've- Oh ... le- but- Great Do you wanna announce the winners first, or do you wanna announce the the special giveaway for everybody listening? Craig O'Neill: Let's do the winners first, Jimmy. I'm excited. So we had a drawing as we had two tickets to give away to Mars, and we have two winners, and we'll be sending emails to these winners as well. Craig O'Neill: Winner number one, Preston Callahan. Winner number two, Jordan Jawarenko. And we will get those emails out to you and hope to see you in Utah. And yeah bring your hiking shoes if you wanna go up in the hills with me. I definitely encourage getting up in the hills. So- Jimmy Lea: Are you gonna be rucking? Craig O'Neill: Oh, see, when I'm in the hills I don't just bring useless weight, I bring actual hiking gear, so I just call it hiking when I'm actually in a mountain. Jimmy Lea: When you're in Utah, you go hiking. Yeah. Everywhere else it's Craig O'Neill: rucking. Yeah. Rucking is what I would call urban hiking. Jimmy Lea: It's for you flatlanders. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yeah. So no, I will definitely be ha- I have a pack, I have I put water in there for weight and snacks that I can eat, and the, the idea is you get it lighter as you go with that sort of stuff, but- Oh ... it's absolutely beautiful. So these- Yeah ... are the winners from the Autoflow drawing that we'd had. Craig O'Neill: Those of you who did not win on that drawing, we'll still email you and hope to see you in Utah. Take advantage of this promotion. I think it's gonna be a great conversation. I've done this intensive multiple times. Jimmy, I gotta give you guys some props on this because this is my favorite format literally in all events that I go to. Craig O'Neill: You're in one room together at your headquarters in Ogden, Utah- Yeah ... which is a cool town. Everyone hears the same presenter. We get everyone here asking those same questions, and then- Yep ... the next presenter's gonna be up, and then we do that. We have great food in between, and then there's breakout sessions afterward where we get to go and break out into groups and discuss everything that's done. Craig O'Neill: No one's missing any of the context from any of the presentations. It's not like you're in one session and then another session is going on and "Man, that would've been a cool talk too, but this is really good." You don't have any fear of missing out on anything that's happening. Everybody's a participant the whole way. Craig O'Neill: It's awesome. Jimmy Lea: Oh, and I love the, the vendors are included. Everyone is in the same- Yeah ... room, and we're having these conversations together. It's not just shop owner to shop owner point of view. We get everybody's point of view in on these conversations- Yeah ... which is super awesome. All right. So if you scan this QR code, grab out your smartphone, scan this QR code, this is a coupon. Jimmy Lea: It is on- coupon, oh, I hate calling it that. Yeah. This is a special member VIP. Because you are watching this webinar, this is a cu- the, this code is good until 12:00 AM tomorrow morning, Pacific Daylight Time The code is, and I have to switch over to my other computer, the code is Mars300. This is $300 off of the general admission pricing. Jimmy Lea: So you and a- anybody of the public that is out there, you will get the webinar, the the whole entire intensive, Mars Intensive at the institute member pricing. So use the code Mars, M-A-R-S 300, and that is good until, for in the next, what? 12 hours? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Where are we? 10, 12- And after Jimmy Lea: you fill that out- Oh, 13 hours. Jimmy Lea: You got 13 hours. Ready, set, go. Go ahead ... after Craig O'Neill: you fill that out, email us and I will tell you my favorite two sushi joints in Ogden, Utah, and maybe we can even grab a bite there. Jimmy Lea: Ooh, that's great. And you know what? We do have a couple of more tickets available. There's not a lot, but there are a few more tickets available for that exclusive dinner with Cecil Bullard. Craig O'Neill: Nice. Jimmy Lea: We're gonna have some great conversations. Those that are speakers are invited to be able to be part of this conversation and it's an exclusive dinner with Cecil, so you're gonna have some really good, intense, great conversations with the speakers of the event, with Cecil being there. These are gonna be some really good focused conversations. Jimmy Lea: Those Craig O'Neill: are my favorite moments, Jimmy. Yeah, the event is one thing, but the conversations that happen throughout and at dinners these... If you're not frequently going to industry events like this is... You owe it to yourself to do this. The ideas that you get to go back with are phenomenal, and the connections that you make and the sense of community that you feel that, that's permanent Jimmy Lea: Agreed. Jimmy Lea: Agreed. Couldn't have said it better. Thank you, Craig. Oh, yeah. Congratulations to Preston. Congratulations to Jordan. Look forward to seeing you in Ogden, Utah, October 26th, 27th and 28th, right before SEMA Apex. And for those who are the adventurous types rent a car. Let's go drive down through Zion and Bryce Canyon and- Yes Jimmy Lea: I'm sure Craig Craig O'Neill: and- Zion. If you haven't been to Zion National Park, what is that place? It is beautiful. It is. Southern Utah, phenomenal, dude. I could go... We have another hour here, so we can just talk about Southern Utah. Man, dude- ... you guys have got the pocket of beauty in this world. It is phenomenal. Craig O'Neill: Like- Jimmy Lea: It's gorgeous. Yeah. It is gorgeous. Craig O'Neill: Absolutely. You will... And Salt Lake City's no joke either. You fly in there, you're gonna think, "This is amazing," and it is. And then you go to Southern Utah and you think "What is... It gets better?" Jimmy Lea: Yep. Yep. Glad you had a great experience with your family down there in Southern Utah. Craig O'Neill: Dude, my wife and I are flying out a little early. We're staying through the weekend before the Mars Intensive we're gonna be hiking some hills then too. It's hard to get the bigger hikes in between the event stuff. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Craig O'Neill: It gets dark- Yes, it is ... it gets hard on the mountain. Jimmy Lea: It does. It does. Jimmy Lea: Even with that, it's not quite enough. I got you. With that, thank you, Craig. I appreciate you being here, brother. Oh, thanks. Thank you so much. Look forward to Mars- Can't wait ... the Mars Intensive. Let's continue this conversation. Let's get in deeper with these conversations and have a great time. I will see you there. Jimmy Lea: Thank you, everybody. See Craig O'Neill: you soon.

Autoshop Ministries Episode 9- Ask With Vision: What Do You Really Want from God?
Joe Adams and Pastor Devonte Tidwell unpack the story from Mark 10 to show why being specific about what you ask for matters in prayer, leadership, and business. They contrast clear, faith-filled requests with vague desires and explain how vision shapes outcomes. The episode offers practical takeaways: sharpen your language, examine motives behind requests, trust God’s timing, and seek the deeper need (sight) rather than temporary status (a seat).

From College Basketball to Automotive Leader | Gabby Oglesby - Ep 34
Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOYour techs don’t need another YouTube rabbit hole—they need real answers to the problem in front of them. SWAT Training and Diagnostics brings the tech support and hands-on, virtual, and just-in-time training to help them fix today’s car and be ready for the next one - LEARN MORE HEREIn this episode, Tonnika Haynes chats with Gabby Oglesby, Director of Product at Kukui, about her journey from college basketball to innovator in the automotive tech space. Gabby shares how her background in sports shaped her leadership style, why diversity and representation matter in the industry, and the importance of designing user-friendly products for shop owners. Timestamps:00:00 Social media confessions and TikTok addiction01:34 How basketball built Gabby’s leadership from a young age02:46 Honored in the Hall of Fame: Gabby’s journey from Guilford College to Kukui04:57 Wearing the green: The inside truth about Kukui’s infamous uniforms05:25 Four years at Kukui—bridging product creation and real shop needs06:22 From country kid to tech leadership: Gabby on moving, growing, and learning08:24 Designing products with empathy for shop owners and customers09:08 The power of community & networking at industry events10:06 How the game (and teamwork) led to a new kind of leadership at work12:25 Breaking barriers: Black women, LGBTQ+ leaders, and showing up at automotive events16:31 Why representation and village vibes make the industry stronger17:19 So many career options in auto, even if you don’t wrench18:35 Tackling imposter syndrome and showing up19:49 Being underestimated, finding your voice, and showing confidence21:30 Masculine-presenting in leadership and the importance of authenticity22:00 Parenting, adoption, and non-traditional families in auto23:08 Growing LGBTQ+ visibility at trainings—breaking old assumptions24:38 How stereotype-busting leads to stronger community25:48 The real secret: Diversity and curiosity build the best teams27:46 How Kukui builds new tech for shops—straight from owner input28:55 Toggles, choices, and making products user-friendly30:58 Keeping up with tech—old school meets new school shop culture31:19 AI, customer experience, and the tools that really matter for shop owners34:39 The loyalty program and the importance of customer retention36:06 New shops, new competition—standing out with service, not just tech38:24 Lessons from rapid change: Stick to what works, be wary of shiny new “solutions”41:00 Lasting legacy: Gabby on commitment, voice, and bringing your full self43:16 What diversity really brings to your shop—food, flavor, and unstoppable teams44:00 Why the next generation matters and why you need to be at the table44:46 Where to find Gabby, Kukui, and upcoming events

The Fine Line Between Viral Content and Rage Bait | Bryan Pollock, Tonnika Haynes and Braxton Critcher
Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsors.Need to update your shop systems and software? Try Tekmetric HERESave 15% on your next Launch Tech USA tool with code Launch15. Use that code at checkout HERERecorded at Tools Pennsylvania 2026, this discussion brings together Jeff with Bryan Pollock, Tonnika Haynes and Braxton Critcher to talk about the realities of growing a podcast and business through social media. They explore why short-form content and reels are essential for reaching new audiences, the downside of viral clips attracting negative comments, and the challenge of balancing attention-grabbing content with long-term brand integrity. The conversation also covers dealing with online criticism, protecting your mental health, and staying focused on helping people make meaningful changes instead of chasing internet arguments.Timestamps: 00:00 Do You Focus? 01:34 Disc Golf Banter 01:52 Emotional Support Wiener 02:10 Tools PA Roundtable Introduction 02:30 Group Chat Chaos 03:32 Reels Are the Devil 05:05 Why Social Media Matters 06:51 Viral Reels and Online Hate 09:29 Deleting Ignorant Comments 11:01 Rage Bait vs. Clickbait 15:00 Shop Rates and Industry Reality 16:24 Producer Clip Strategy 20:58 Can You Change the Industry? 23:53 Choosing Positivity 29:34 Why Good Content Still Gets Hate 32:42 The "Must Be Nice" Mindset 34:40 Handling Large Audiences 35:53 Protecting Your Peace 36:16 Keyboard Warrior Stories 38:34 Why Viewers Get Angry 41:01 You Can't Save Everyone 42:30 The Highlight Reel Trap 48:24 Stop Complaining—Start Changing Follow/Subscribe to the show on social media! TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffcompton7YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheJadedMechanicFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091347564232