Curing Organizational Drag: The Courage to Fire a Non-Fit Employee [RR 1100]
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About this episode
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Key takeaways
- —Hiring should focus on cultural fit and potential rather than just skills.
- —Establish clear expectations and training paths for all employees.
- —Regularly assess and address organizational drag caused by non-fit employees.
- —Implement a structured approach to employee feedback and accountability.
- —Invest in leadership development to empower managers and improve team dynamics.
Frequently asked
- What should I consider before firing an employee?
- Before making a termination decision, reflect on whether your business has provided adequate training and support for the employee to succeed.
- How can I ensure my team members are the right fit?
- Use assessments to evaluate candidates for cultural fit and potential, and ensure they align with your company's core values.
- What are effective ways to measure employee performance?
- Implement regular feedback mechanisms, track guest satisfaction, and establish clear performance metrics for each role.
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This is the Automotive Repair Podcast Network. What's up everyone. Welcome back to Episodic Education. It's Carm Capriato here in the virtual studio with you. Got a great topic today, firing a non-fit employee. Now, if you're listening to this, all of a sudden your memories are coming back to you and you're saying, oh my God, did this been there? We, we need to hear someone talk about it.
Maybe I need to do something tomorrow. Maybe I've been contemplating it. It's going to be a great discussion with Matt Lockowitz here in a minute, but we appreciate you being here. Thank you. So grateful for all of our great sponsors here on the podcast. Are you looking to take your shop to the next level? With NAPA Autocare, you can deliver unbeatable customer confidence through the Peace of Mind Warranty.
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So yeah, we've been doing this 11 years. Remarkable Results Radio. Well, big part of the Automotive Repair Podcast Network, and we have a great app. I want you to get this thing. Absolutely. arpn.app. Get it downloaded. You're gonna have a blast with it. All the shows we produce every week are there. All the show notes. You can create your own playlist. Oh, I love this one.
This is on leadership. I love this one on, on firing people and hiring people. You can keep 'em and you can share your episodes with friends. It is a blast. That's all I use to listen to our own shows because it's great because I listen to all the shows in the ARP Network. Can I introduce you to a friend of mine, Matt Lockawitzer?
Hey, Matt. Hey, good to see you. Well, we're gonna talk about firing and non-fit employees. With 11 stores now, you've probably done your fair share of that, or if not, your HR person has. More likely to be the HR now, but, uh, yes, I have. All right, let me tell you a little bit about Matt. He's been on the show before, but not for a while.
Owner and founder of Matt's Automotive Center. I just found out as of last Friday, 11 shops. I was going to introduce him and say 10. Fargo-Moorhead, North Dakota, and the Twin Cities out there, Minneapolis, Minnesota. 2009, 2-bay garage. It sounds like a great story. We all— everybody started In, in a situation like that. Matt won Entrepreneur of the Year in 2015 through the Fargo-Moorhead-West Fargo Chamber of Commerce, and Ratchet and Wrench named him top shop in the country in 2021.
Good for you. So here's the deal, everyone. Matt reached out to me. I can't remember where it was, Matt. I found this thing. It says, uh, let's talk about this. I'm willing to talk about this. Come on the show. Because you've probably done this a few times and you realize you have built such an incredible core value and culture system in your business.
And whenever you introduce a new spice to the sauce, sometimes in your reaching out to try something new, it doesn't taste good. There's a food analogy for you. So can you define what doesn't fit? I think the biggest thing is when we look at a team member, they have to be the right person for the right seat. We don't hire just based on, can they fix a car or can they do this?
They actually have to be a cultures and values fit in our company, and they have to get, want, and have the capacity for what they're doing. And that's every seat in our company. We don't look at bodies, we don't look at job descriptions. It is, what does this seat require? You know, people say he fogged the mirror, she fogged the mirror, let's bring them in.
I mean, that is a bad example of where toxicity can come from now, but you look at that individual from maybe a DiSC assessment, maybe a StrengthsFinder, some kind of, and I don't want to say the word test, but some kind of rationalization where you can find out a little bit more in depth about that person and say, you know, in the discussion that I had, I didn't quite like where some of their diag techniques were, but we can teach that.
But I loved the person. Yep. I'm hiring for potential, not for skill a lot of times. So we're looking at, do they have all the attributes of a great employee and can we train them on what they're not as strong at? So if the person that we're looking to possibly terminate and you're sensing and feeling they don't live in the value set, it's not hard.
You have a wonderful set of values. I love your values. Maybe we'll cover 'em a little later. But when they fail in those particular regards, it doesn't make it difficult to make that decision, does it? Well, yes and no. So, I mean, obviously if they're failing in the values, we have to look at ourselves first as a business. You know, did we fail them?
Because I think that that's where a lot of places forget is, you know, we have a part to play in an employee failing. You know, we obviously hired them for a reason, but did we get them on board with our values and show them how we live them every day and what we do? That is such a great point. I love that point.
Look inside first. And if we failed to describe— here's one of your values: be passionate in every moment. And if we fail to describe what that is or catch that individual not living that and then redirecting them, then you could kind of put a little bit of the blame on you, even though this person may have to go. You'd say, why did we have to do this?
And I think every one of the values, the way we do that, we start with the why the value exists. So that, 'cause I think, you know, we can talk like, this is our value, this is what it means, but why does it mean this? Why does it exist? And when an employee knows the why, it's a lot easier for them to act on the how.
When you've hired people that fit the mold, Do you set up a career path and a requirement for education, Matt? Yes. Every team member has a path that they can either advance or what's required of them for their role or their seat. Give me an idea. So technicians have to do a minimum of 4 hours of training a month. They have to have ASC certification within 12 months of working for us.
You know, we have minimal acceptable standards for every position in our company. And we're very clear about what we expect and why we expect it. Our advisors, you know, they have to attend X amount of training as well. You know, we measure guest satisfaction higher than we measure our metrics of sales. And where are you getting that from? Reviews or personal discussion?
We have a BDR center, so we actually have people that call every single customer. We have a whole system that we've built out. And we are not just measuring 5-star Google reviews, but we're measuring how are people coming back, you know, what are they saying on the callbacks, and are people getting mentioned by name. Like, all these components are, are part of how we measure guest satisfaction.
Help me with the acronym BDR. Business development rep. Rep. Got it. I figured it was business development, but I couldn't figure out the R. I love that. So you have a separate team or individual that, that's what they do 8 hours a day? Yep. We have 2 people that we kind of have them split in half. So half of them take care of our 5 Fargo-Moorhead stores, and then one takes care of our now 6 Minneapolis locations.
So they're in touch with the client before they even started this role. They were taught as service advisors, so they know exactly what the service advisor goes through from start to finish. And before they make a call, they study the repair order, what was done, you know, what was declined, what was approved. So they know intimately what happened with that experience. And then that's when they start the process, you know, like, how did your visit go?
You know, were you greeted? All the components that we ask of a customer. We just don't do enough of that in our industry, Matt. It's tough. It takes a lot of bandwidth. You know, I think about an advisor in a busy shop. It's hard for them to build, make those callbacks. But callbacks, to me, the key to generating business and not having to spend a ton of money on accruing new customers.
Well, you've got a big enough shop where obviously, number one, you could afford it. You've got the people bandwidth to do that. How does a smaller shop, 1 or 2 stores, do something like that? You gotta make time for it. I know when I'm coaching, you know, my coaching clients, I'm talking to 'em about doing callbacks, you know, What we found is a 29-day cadence.
So we go back 29 days and every car that was in 29 days ago, those are the people we call. So when you're a small shop, I mean, it might only be 7 or 8 phone calls, it might be 12 phone calls. You can find time to make 12 phone calls in a day if you start to eliminate some of the distraction that we allow ourselves to have happen.
I know we're off the beaten path, but I just, love to go down rabbit holes. That's just how I am. So let's talk about this for another moment or two. How willing are the people willing to pick up the phone and talk? I mean, you're bothering me. Is this a spam call? How's that work? Because of the way we've trained them, they're calling to check in.
We're not calling to sell them something. We're not, you know, and we're very clear about why we're calling. So I think that's the biggest thing. Obviously, if it's a good experience and they have declining services, we train them to bring it up, but we're not trying to shove stuff down their throat. We're not trying to be a robocall. It's a very personalized call.
And some of the reason it's personalized is because we do a very good job collecting information at write-up. We know stuff about the customer, we know stuff about their car, why they use it, and we tie that stuff into these phone calls. I think I've talked about Ford on this podcast before, but Understanding their, our customers' Ford is such a huge component of this.
John DeJulius, family, occupation, recreation, dreams. Oh God, Ford is fabulous. Okay. So as I'm listening to you, and again, I'm sorry, I'm going down this rabbit hole because I love it. And I think this is a little gem coming out of this episode. I think of the word advocate. And I love to call the people on our counters client advocates, but if you're on the phone and you're feeling like an advocate and you wanna find out, hey, how did we do?
Sally was working with you. We had our specialist Bob work on the vehicle. I know we had some challenges. How's the car running today? Is that the kind of thing that we're looking for? Yep. And good acronym. Our managers are called guest experience managers and our managers, our advisors are called guest advocates. So. Same terminology, but yes, we're calling to check in.
You had some repairs done, you had an oil change, whatever it is. How did everything go? Is the car running good? Did you have a good experience? It starts with that. And the nice part is when we do fail, because we do fail, we have an opportunity to fix it. And I think that's the whole thing of all this that I think really opened my eyes is we have an opportunity to fix it when we didn't make the mark.
Matt, I don't think there's enough companies in the whole of our world that do this. How many attitudes do I get on a weekly basis? Be it, I'm saying they're failing miserably. I called to get a test. Doctor said, I'd like you to have this test. I call, you're 33 in line, and then leave a message, we'll call you back in the order that we get.
It's so impersonal today. Now I got the question, either healthcare medical is so enamored, there's so much going on, or they just want to spend the money on the people. Go check out at a Lowe's or a Home Depot or a grocery store, and you just can't figure out what they're asking next, or you can't get the barcode right, or you have to figure out what this rebar is because there's no label on it.
I'm sorry, I find this stuff so, well, let them figure it out. Why isn't there somebody walking me down the aisle? At the end, we're getting married. Okay, let's go back. Thank you for firing me up, my friend. Appreciate that. And I read a cool article that it says sometimes it costs you double what it costs to— you let someone go and it costs you double because you've made a bad decision and you have to let somebody go.
So which is forcing you to think about making a better hire? Yeah, so like my company runs on EOS and traction. So like when we look at, you know, all of that, you know, the EOS world's called organizational drag. And so when you have a wrong person, you know, one wrong person affects the traction of the business, the accountability of others, the morale and the execution of the whole team.
And like in a shop environment, that could be comebacks increases, your communication suffers, Other team members get frustrated, and your leaders spend time managing drama instead of growing the business. And like, so for me, like, that's a do not pass goal. Do not collect $200. And one wrong seat can consume more leadership energy than 5 right seats. First of all, EOS, fan of it.
We did a lot of episodes a couple of years ago. We haven't done any in a while, but I know a lot of people have embraced EOS, the Entrepreneurial Operating System, and it is a great discipline. It, it'll make you a better CEO and entrepreneur in your life if you would take a look at that. But what you said recently, just a, a moment ago, organizational drag, these wonderful moments in time that I want my listeners— I'm listening like you are to Matt, and if that organizational drag powered into me, Let it power into you.
And after you're done listening to this episode, just close your eyes a moment and say, do we have organizational drag and why? Well, you think about this, you know, I think every company has it. It's what you're going to do about it. But like in a shop, like, you know, when I'm coaching clients, they're like, well, my technicians don't produce enough and this doesn't know.
Well, where's the drag coming from? It's coming from somewhere, you know, and your job as a leader is to figure out where it's coming from and deal with it. And it doesn't have to be firing someone all the time. It could be moving someone to a different seat. It could be training someone differently. You first have to identify it. As a NAPA Autocare, you already know that your reputation is built on trust, reliability, and service.
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And I'm not talking about termination. I'm talking about moving into a different seat. I'm talking about training. I'm talking about bringing baggage from home. And I know we have to tolerate some of that, Matt, but it would be awfully nice if we could learn how it fits into the, you know, the value set, the core values of our business. Again, another very powerful thing.
We're just not acting on it. Yeah. And I think this is universal. It doesn't have to be in the shop environment. This is just a business owner thing, but Leadership, whether it's an owner or leadership team, whatever it is, we get paralysis and we wait too long. So everyone usually knows what the problem is or they've identified it. The team around them sees what's happening, the leadership sees it, the employees often see it, but nobody acts on it.
And usually by the time termination happens, it's usually not a surprise to anyone. And it's often a decision that like everyone's seen coming months ago. Okay. Give me one minute to tell my story. And I've told this probably in the last 11 years. I may have told it 5 times over the course of thousands of episodes that one day, and we're going back a whole bunch of years, my entire leadership team, all my stores, my district managers, my sales manager, they all came in my office.
And it was one of those, uh-oh, this is gonna hurt moments. And my number 2 guy in the company said to me, him or us. Now, I wasn't surprised, Matt, because I knew I had to do that. And I kept procrastinating, not realizing the impact of my procrastination on the rest of the team, knowing How could you tolerate that? I wasn't prepared to invest the time to find someone new, and that was my terrible mistake.
And it was a wake-up call. I remember the cup of coffee on my desk. It was a life-changing moment for me. And almost people have to have them in order to shake 'em up. Yep. 100%. Ever happened to you? Oh yeah. Yep. And that's the cool thing about when you identify this, you have to take emotion out of it. And if you have strong culture, strong values, and you make decisions off your values, it takes emotion out of making these decisions.
And with that, your person you need to get rid of might be your top performer, and that's what scares a lot of people. And you have to be okay with, is this best for the whole company though? And so this was probably about 12 years ago now, 12, 13 years ago. I had a tech and he was a phenomenal tech. I mean, 80 hours a week, you get to take a loan out against it.
But if he got in a fight with his kid or his wife or didn't agree with something, he would blow the shop up and nobody would get anything done for a week. And when I fired him, I didn't have someone to replace him. We had tried to coach through it and tried to get him to see what he was doing to the others.
We let him go. The shop had a record week without his 80 hours the next week, and he hadn't been replaced yet. And that was the big eye-opener for me. I have to protect the people that aren't doing these habits or aren't causing these things to happen in my company. The team wants you to act, and they're waiting on the sidelines for you to grow a set.
That's about the best way to say it. That's the first time I've ever said that on the air. I can't believe it, but it's the truth, buddy. And I love your analogy that we beat last week's record even though this individual was doing 80 hours. The point is, is when we stop to think about tolerating vacations in our company and we never miss a beat, why would we miss a beat if we let a toxic individual or a non-fit person go?
Oh my God, I can't wait to come into work tomorrow. The excitement, the attitude. It changes. Like, it was interesting because, like you said it right, your employees, like my employees, were waiting for me to do this. I was scared to act because of what this technician produced. I knew what I needed to do, but I was scared because I'm like, how do I replace that production?
So it put me in paralysis. But my employees knew that I knew I didn't need to do this. And it was after the fact when I did it and they showed me what they could do without that person. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm so proud of you guys. And they're like, why didn't you do this before though? We were capable of this.
You just had to let this happen. Where do we find the courage to do that, Matt? It's, you gotta dig down deep. You have to look at, you know, in some capacity, your business is your child. And like, you have to protect your child. It's a great, great analogy. Oh my God. Stop for a moment to my listener and realize that you may be failing your business.
And if you think about it being a child, you would not do that. You would not fail your child. That bond between the business and the owner and the child is identical in my mind. You have responsibilities to nurture and grow and, you know, provide food for the table, provide food for the table for all your people's families. Oof. And you should protect it at all costs.
At all costs. No matter if there's a short-term hurt, Or even a 3 or 4 month hurt while you're still looking to find. But I've heard enough stories like this. It even happened in, in my business where we, we were getting applications for this because people were reaching out and says, hey, he finally let X go. We're looking for people. And all of a sudden floodgates start to open.
The other thing is, is so when you have someone like that, the other people in your company are gonna be less apt to refer the people they know because they don't want to bring that person into that environment on top of it. Oh yeah, they'll have a bad rep. So when you have a strong culture, what happens is your people bring the people that they want to come into your company and elevate around you too.
Everything is about how you elevate the people around you. And if you have someone that's not a culture's values fit, doesn't get, want, or have the capacity for their job, it brings everyone around them down. Instead of up. This is not how Matt would run his business. So why is he not acting? Because you have the proven track record, Matt, to make these decisions, to grow your business, to be a very strong and important leader to your team where they look up to you, you look up to them.
And if you're not in that position as the CEO of your business, then work to get it. And it goes back to So how do I do that? Well, peer groups, 20 groups, coaching, all of that brings accountability into you becoming a better business person, leader, financial manager, and all that stuff. And I keep hearing too many stories of late. I should have done coaching a long time ago.
I want to sell my business at 60. I want to get out by 65, 67. What do I have to do? And they never do anything about building and developing a stronger business, stronger financials, and And we could go on and on and on. I always hope every time we turn on the mics and we get into the virtual studio, that's even if it's just one person listens to learn just one thing, but implements that one thing that they learned.
Don't just come back, write it down mentally, write it down on a piece of paper and say, I gotta do this and never do it. And I think like, you know, all these things, like coaching is phenomenal. Like I wish I would've actually invested in coaching. I didn't even know it was a thing when I was younger in business. I, I taught myself a lot by going to classes.
And reading. To me, reading is still the most powerful thing. Coaching is great and all these things, but listening to podcasts, reading, listening to— even if you listen to the book, as long as you can pay attention and see the message, there's so much knowledge. And then people have been through a lot of these things in other businesses. It's not— auto repair is not different from anything else in the fact that we're dealing with people, we're selling a product, and there's a million books out there that can help you.
And if you take one message out of a book, It could change things for you. One message out of a podcast could change things for you. I think about book reading. I'm a book reader. I've never listened to one book yet. I listen to podcasts, but I've never listened to one book. And what book reading is to me, Matt, is if it's in your hands, by the way, I take really interesting notes when I find a great section of a chapter that I want.
I open up the front cover. And then inside front cover, I write down the page number and my thoughts so that I could always go back to the book and scan and look to find it. I learned that from somebody years ago. However, in my world, having the book in my hands allows me to pay attention to it. Then if I wasn't drifting, oh, there was a bird.
There was a— you know what I'm saying? If you're listening, there's other sensory things, in my opinion, Could it happen when you're reading a book that you could look up? Well, you're probably closer to paying attention when your eyes are in one place. Maybe your ears can move you, but your eyes don't. I would agree with that. I like the physical book too, but I can tell you that a lot of people, they struggle with that part of it.
And the Audible side of it is something very powerful still. That's where, like, I think it's a combination. Like, I've only listened to one book on Audible myself. I like to read them. And the only reason I listened to the one, it was Matthew McConaughey's book, and I, he read it and I like the guy's voice the way he talks. I agree with you on that.
So look at, we want to make a seat change inside of our company. We don't necessarily want to do a termination, but we discovered that an individual would be maybe best served in this company. We love everything about this person. They get what we're doing, but we discovered that their talent is best served in another place. They don't look at that as a terminate— people don't look at that as a negative way, or you have to structure it the right way?
I think it's how you present the message. So like, not every issue in a company is a people problem. It is sometimes simply a seat problem, and how we approach that change in the seat is the biggest thing. You know, so like, you know, a manager, you know, might be better suited as a service advisor. Maybe that's their best thing. We have to show them why, the why.
It all comes down to, and I'll say this probably 10 more times, it has to start with the why before you can do anything. So why is this person not performing in this role? Maybe it's because the way we do things, they can't keep up with it. Or maybe, the one I see the most is the shop foreman role. A lot of shop foremen are put in the role because they're the best tech.
But then we give them no leadership training, no leadership coaching, and then we try to hold them accountable and we don't try to show them what the numbers mean and how they affect them. And that's why a lot of the shop foreman roles fail, is because they don't get that. Matt, your why word is so powerful. You have a new shop manager and now they're in charge of flow inside the business and keeping the clients happy, ultimate goal.
And then working with the service advisors and making sure we're meeting the demand that they set, but we're communicating and talking back and forth. I have a lot of common sense because I always say the word why to me. When I say, when I look at something that doesn't make sense to me, I ask myself, why does that bother me? Or why does that person think that that's a good thing?
Because I am willing to learn the other side of a situation. But if it doesn't meet my why, and that's why you put me here, cuz I'm a good whyer, a good why person, I'm gonna be so good at what I do because I care about the why. The what is there, the who is, but the why. Powerful stuff. Are you constantly coaching that to your people?
Yes. It has to be a message that's consistent. And, you know, every time, you know, if we make a change or we do something, We want to reaffirm the behavior though too, and that has to start with the why. You know, it's like the way we train our people, it's I do, we do, you do. And then we all— and but it starts with why.
Powerful, powerful stuff, Matt. How are we going to take an individual— okay, and I know the answer to this— you take an individual, you move them into a different seat, you teach them the concepts of why, are they responsible for 4 hours or at least 48 hours a year in leadership training and in workflow training and in software training? Are you requiring everybody in the company?
Yeah. So we use an online LMS called Trainual. Okay, great. Yeah. So every person, every seat in our company has a training path and we're constantly adding to it. And on top of that, we obviously do in-person and different things like that. But when you talk about making the change, I think that's where this kind of started with. Leadership requires courage, and you have to build your courage off clarity, accountability.
And if someone isn't living up to the values of the company, getting and wanting to have the capacity to see, and they don't meet expectations after you try to coach through those things, then you have to act. Because a quote that I really like is, compassion without accountability isn't leadership. Accountability without compassion isn't leadership either. Great leaders bring both. That one just really has always stuck with me because I was probably more compassionate at first, and then I went like, no, I have to be accountable because that's what my business needs.
But it's both of those melded together that make you a strong leader. And that then when you're a strong leader, people want to follow you. People want to run through walls for you. And by doing that, People will start showing themselves the door if they're not the right fit too. Does that happen often? Today, no. When we really started down this journey, especially with EOS, yes, because it was a very big focus.
Like, 'cause what I did, and I'm sure a lot of businesses do this, we build jobs around people. And then when that person changed, guess what? My business was on fire. That was not sustainable for growth. So we looked at everything. What does this job and what does this seat require? And it doesn't matter who does it. It does, but it doesn't because the seat doesn't change no matter who's in it.
Imagine you're on fire, you're doing all this great change, and someone, an individual comes up to another person who is totally bought in. I mean, they are on fire. And another individual comes up to them and says, This is junk. This is no good. I don't like this. And the person says, well, then I guess you should leave. Because the person who said that is so bought in, so encouraged about what could be every day that we don't want Debbie Downers around.
Yeah. One thing too is when we did this, we started at the bottom. We didn't start at the top. So we would really work on how do we level up? We had to start at the bottom because our guest experience is only as good as our weakest link. So we started at the bottom instead of the top-down leadership. It's a great idea.
How did the team take it? Really, really well, you know, because they seen that we were trying to invest and really level up the people at the bottom. When that person leveled up, they pushed the person that was in their spot up a level too. Leading from the bottom up, you're actually letting the people at the bottom push the people up the ladder.
And it creates an accountability ladder almost of like, hey, I'm rising, you need to rise so I can take your spot or I can get into these roles. And that's where having the clear job paths and all these things are a big part of that too. How do you get from a C-level tech to a B-level tech or whatever you want to call it?
How do you climb that ladder? What's expected of you? And what do you need from us to help you do that? Because we have a part to play in that too. Just like if an employee fails, in my opinion, it's at least 50% the business's fault the employee failed. At least 50%. In some cases, it's 100%. If you don't have any structure, you don't have any clear expectations, that's 100% your fault that employee failed.
And they're pulling down the business and they're just coming in for a paycheck. It's not a career, it's not an occupation, it's just a paycheck. Let's try to sum this up by me telling the world that you hold an annual meeting every year, and it's probably done wonders for your culture, your team, your value set to— I don't know if you shut the place down.
I, I don't know that, but it's, you know, it's a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, whatever, but you have a big event and you bring in people to come in and teach and share and talk to your people. I mean, Wow, there's not many places that do that. Yeah, it's something our team looks forward to every year. It's called our company summit. And yes, we actually do close the business down for 3 full days.
That's an investment I make in my people. And I think that by not asking them to spend their weekend in training and actually, I'm gonna close my business to make you better, that gets a lot of attention by them. We bring in a keynote speaker every year, we bring in trainers, and I'm a coach and a trainer in the industry. I bring in other people and we talk about the message I want to bring into them and have them do it.
We bring in the best technical trainers in the industry, Keith Perkins, Brandon Steckler, we bring in the best and we let them train our people to make them better. But we do this intentionally too. So on the technical side, for instance, Every one of our shop foremen, we have foreman assistant help forms. And so if a technician's struggling with something, they have to fill out a form to get help from the foreman.
And it's not a penalty, it's really about, was this a lack of training or lack of education or lack of understanding? So we can really decide, do we need to bring in training for this? Do we have a pattern that's happening in all of our shops? And that's how we decide the type of training we bring in. So we use that data to actually say, this is the type of training we need for our team because this is where our weak point is, this is where our struggle point is.
We do the same thing on the front side. So if we're having a problem with close ratio or getting Google reviews or whatever it is, we try to find and build out the training that we want to help them overcome those problems so they get better. When we bring people in, I want this to be something they can take on Monday and apply it that'll change Our guests, because at the end of the day, this is all about serving our guests.
That's internally and externally guests. It's not about how much money I can put in the bank. It's about how, how can we make our employees happier? How can we make our customers happier? And by doing that, the money shows up as a byproduct. Matt, I think you're on fire. Thanks. You are absolutely on fire. So proud of all the great work that you've done.
And thank you for sharing this. I think you would be an inspiration to any person who's listening to this podcast. And again, you've been on before. We actually, you were on the, the Karm Cruise with us and just so good to know you and, and how well you're doing. But thank you for coming in and giving us the legacy that you've had to get to the point where you could talk so comfortably and easy about letting an employee go that just wasn't a fit.
And to say, probably a little bit more of my fault than anything, but I've got to relieve this person. They're not having any fun. We're not having any fun with them. They gotta go out and find another place for their kind of fun, because it's not our kind of fun. Absolutely. And I think the biggest thing, if anyone's listening to this, you have to look in the mirror first before you go fire someone.
Look in the mirror and say, what did I contribute to how we got here? Well, we talk about that a lot. It's the man in the mirror. There's more and more articles being written about that and the humbleness of people joining coaching groups, getting accountability partners. So cool to hear them say, I should have done it before. I was the problem. And people don't want to admit that because it's very difficult on— I've done this for 10 or 15 years and I can't seem to get out of this.
If you will, spiral of not being able to make enough money and hiring great people, no one ever stops the, well, it's the market, it's the pricing pressure, it's the software, it's just the client. They don't want to pay. No, I'm sorry. The more I got out of my way and instead invested in my team, the better our business got. And it's not that I was a hindrance, but like I didn't let them grow to what they could have been by being involved at the level I was.
So the more that I got out of my own way and let them run, the better our business got. Matt, thank you. It's been great to have you on the show. This was a lesson beyond, again, what we talked about. So refreshing to hear your perspectives on things. And as always, come back anytime. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thanks for being on board to listen and learn from the premier automotive repair business podcast, Remarkable Results Radio.
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We Jimmy Lea: coordinated on this and everything. David Boyes: I know. I, uh- Next time ... I, I was, I was lucky as, as busy as we've been at Call Inbound to, uh, uh, get up and, and organize and dress today. So I really, uh, it's always great to see you and of course, um, uh, we got to visit a little bit out at, uh, Worldpac STX and, uh, man, I tell you what, your wardrobe is always top notch. Jimmy Lea: Hey, thank you. Thank you. We're glad you are dressed today, just don't stand up. Thank you very much. David Boyes: Great. Jimmy Lea: And joining for us in our conversation today, David, is Tanika, Tanika Hayes with, uh, Haynes with Browns Automotive. Tanika, how the heck are you, sister? Tonnika Haynes: I'm doing good, guys. What's going on? Jimmy Lea: Staying alive. Good to see you. Great to see you. Also at STX, what did you think of the, the conference there with Worldpac? Tonnika Haynes: It, it was really, really good. I was not prepared for the size of it. There was a lot of people. People were peopling. So, um, once I got adjusted to all of the crowds and everything, I enjoyed it. I hadn't sat in a class in a really long time, like at an expo. Ooh. I'm usually just walking around and being nosy, but I picked up some good nuggets, so it was great. Jimmy Lea: Beautiful. That's awesome. Well, if, if the STX was a large conference to you, I would suggest that you really prepare yourself months in advance if ever you come out to SEMA and Apex in Las Vegas. Tonnika Haynes: I will be there this year. Oh, good. I keep hear- hearing that, so I don't know what meds I need to be on to take, To take it all in. But Jimmy Lea: we'll- You- Tonnika Haynes: I'm excited about it ... Jimmy Lea: we, we will talk about that because there is more than you can see within a week, and you really only have three days at Apex, four days at SEMA. You want to map out where you're gonna go, who you're gonna talk to, who you're gonna see- And for you, Taneka, schedule some time to sit down and chill Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. I'm gonna have to definitely do that. You're talking about, um, scheduling times. I'm gonna schedule time to go sit in the corner and recoup. Uh-huh. So where's Taneka? She's in the corner. Jimmy Lea: Yep, and, and I- It's David Boyes: scheduled time ... Jimmy Lea: I, I'm gonna work with you on that because I know the corners, I know the places where you can go and, and find some solitude. Tonnika Haynes: All right. Jimmy Lea: I am. Well, our conversation today is in preparation for making your shop better David, I'm gonna kick it over to you, brother. Let's start this conversation with Taneka. David Boyes: Yeah. Let's, uh, let- let's kinda move into this. You know, we're, uh, talking about communication, and there are so many facets that impact the customer experience. I think that it's important to know that, you know, there are tools and there are, uh, from an owner or, and manager's perspective and from a service provider's perspective, there are ways that we rally around making communication better. Um, you know, one of the things that is common at all shops is, uh, the customer phone call. Tonnika Haynes: Oh, yeah. David Boyes: So you winced a little bit. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: Uh, how many times do we, you know, talk about our phone skills, uh, getting better on the phone, understanding the customer, understanding their needs, addressing their needs? And there's so much, you know, revolves around, uh, the phone calls and, and the way that our advisors and our front office team handles these. Maybe you have a CSR, maybe you have, you know, a service manager. Um, but people are, are answering calls all day long, and this becomes important that we understand who's answering the phone- Mm-hmm ... how they're communicating, what, what's the message that's being shared. Every time that phone rings, uh, that, you know, we like to say that's money calling. So Taneka, let me just ask you, you know, what, what are some of the challenges that you see or the, uh, the successes that you have with your team when it comes to managing and, and, uh, getting better on our phones? Tonnika Haynes: I wanna start by saying, um, I think I listened to my first phone call at my meeting with Jen- Jennifer, with the Institute. I'm currently coaching with the Institute, and that is life-changing- Yeah ... to listen to your team answer the phone. So if anybody's out there and they have not done that, they have not listened in on a phone call, figure out a way to do it. I don't know if it's gonna be a little paper cup and a string, but figure out how to do it. Um, and then I, listening to my own phone calls, and I- I'm the boss, right? I still cringe. And so you never know what's missing from those phone calls, what, what, what is standing out. You know, my team, we would not even ask for the appointment. Like, "Would you like to bring this in today?" You know- Oh ... you ask all the questions, they go through the scripts, but then we found that they were not saying, "Hey, would you like to get that done? Would you like to bring that in today or tomorrow? What works for you?" They were leaving it all to the client to say- Jimmy Lea: Mm-hmm ... " Tonnika Haynes: What's next? What's next?" Hmm. So they were answering the phone, and they were s- being very polite, but they were not closing. They didn't have a lot of words with closing. And so with inbound, I've been able to coach- You know, when you listen to yourself and you're like, "Ooh, ooh." And you can say, "Do you see what you did there?" Or even, 'cause you know, the team can listen to their own phone calls. "Oh, I see what I did there. I see where I dropped the ball." So that was, opened up a whole bunch of eyeballs around here. Well- It's like, "Oh, it's Monday, it's time to listen to phone calls." Like, "Ah." But you just increasingly get better over time. Jimmy Lea: Oh, it's so true. And, and the ability, Taneka, the ability to have calls from today- Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm ... Jimmy Lea: or from yesterday or, or even the day before. Uh, there was a time a decade ago when we would have to listen, as coaches, we would listen to calls. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. We're trying to find a coaching call, a call that is coachable, and this might be a call from two weeks ago, three weeks ago. Mm. The advisors are going, "Dude, oh man, that's forever ago. No, man, I, I don't do that anymore. I'm not like that." But David, I, I think you kind of solved a bit of that problem with your phone services. David Boyes: Yeah, thanks. It, you know, it's, it's important to, to recognize. I think every owner I've ever talked with has a similar issue. It's... And a lot of it rev- revolves around time, right? Are, are we aware of what's actually happening- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... David Boyes: on the front line? Mm-hmm. And, uh, some of it is, uh, I wanna keep this a little bit at arm's length because I, I can tell you as an owner, I will have an emotional response when I listen to that phone call. And Taniki, you brought up a great point. For owners and managers here that are on the phone, please listen to your own calls. Yeah. Do it at least one time. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: Well, twice. Have to Tonnika Haynes: bite the bullet. Just do it. David Boyes: Yeah. Just do it. And, Tonnika Haynes: and, and be ready. Just like- ... just like, "Oh, that is me." Yeah, that is you. David Boyes: Do it- Yeah do it twice because the first time that you listen to a call, uh, it's gonna just be weird, right? So listening to myself on recordings is always weird, but there's this heavy lift of time, right? Am, am I aware of what's actually happening on the front line, and how are we interacting with customers? And then do I have, do I have a mechanism to understand what's my expectation? As an owner, um, you know, it, it's important to establish that expectation. Maybe you're working with a call coach, maybe you've been in trainings yourself. It's, it's ideal to have a method by which you're going to measure your call handlers. And, um, you know, we wanna be professional. We want to build confidence and, and build rapport with these customers. It doesn't have to be fast, but typically- Mm-hmm ... you know, an incoming call from a customer is likely an appointment setting call or a status call. We're gonna set that status call, uh, bucket aside for a second 'cause we wanna be in front of, uh, status calls instead of having customers call us. But if you're listening to these and you have that rhythm around it, uh, we understand how these small habits can build on one another. Am I, am I smiling when I answer the phone? There's something physically that hap- When I, when I physically smile, there's something that is noticeable in the way that I'm communicating. And, uh, am I, am I clear? So what are the expectations? You know, uh, if you watch your advisors, I have, uh, my little cordless handset here. If they tuck their phone in like this, and, and you know, they're, they're trying to multitask Listen to those calls because likely it's very, very difficult to hear on the other side of this. So listening to calls, uh, helps us understand how, you know, how we conduct ourselves, how we conduct business, how am I representing the business that I, you know, that I'm working at as a professional. But also, what is the customer hearing and what is the customer's experience? So, um, these are, uh, important points, and it starts by listening. Jimmy, you brought up a, um, an important aspect here. Historically, we would listen to call after call after call after call to try to find something I can use to coach. So Taneka, you might do this. You've got a call recording system. It doesn't do much but just record those calls, and now I have to go through this, this process to identify a coachable opportunity. And this is now I think where we can move effectively into technology, right? We all hear so much about AI today, and what's really nice about, uh, having, you know, a, a phone system that records is now you have an asset, and you can use that asset to do something more with it. And we can use AI to help that heavy lift of time and, you know, take 90% of the time requirement off. So instead of having to spend 30 minutes, I might have to spend two or three minutes to take that call, sit down with my service advisor, go through this, and have a meaningful, constructive conversation about the things that work well. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. I, I love, David, that your software makes it so easy to find these coachable calls so much faster. A- and Taneka, that's just gotta be a lifesaver for you as well, coaching your service advisors. Tonnika Haynes: It is. I remember, um, speaking with a friend, fellow shop owner, and he's like, "I need you to set aside a time." And so what I did is on my calendar, on Wednesday, that's the day that I sit down and we go over phone calls. And so, you know, you got the dashboard, and that dashboard will say, "This is a coachable call. This is a coachable call." And it is a habit for me as the owner/manager, um, to make sure that I'm staying on top of it all the time because we'll slip into old habits, right? So me listening to the calls and bringing the service advisor or, um, or bring Jay in and say, "Hey, let's listen to this. Let's see how we can get better." You know, you continuously improve on it, and you don't slide back into old habits. Because I'm not on the phone as much anymore. If I have to answer the phone, I know personally, and everything's at stake for me, I slide back into old habits. So we all are capable of it, and so having that dashboard in front of us and said, "Hey, this is a call you need to look at," the service advisor or the person answering the phone does not feel like they're being picked on, but they're being improved upon. So, "Look, I'm just lifting you up. This is what we can do. Do you see how we can make this better?" And it's a we, it's a us, it's coachable, it's there, it's real, and, um, I really enjoy th- that part of the dashboard. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love that. How often, Taneka, do you send, "This is a really good call"? This is a really good call. I Tonnika Haynes: like a really good call How often do you send that to the team? You know what? Yeah. I probably should do that more. But when I see a good call, I, I, I like to share it. And when I get a good review, like I l- literally just got a good review based off of a bad situation that we were able to turn around with proper communication, and the customer l- literally said, he's like, "The communication... The problem was still there," he said, "but the way they handled it and the communication was key." So he was not satisfied when he left, but the way that we dealt with it afterwards, and that recording of how we guided him through the process, and how we, you know, we apologized, we came up with a plan, apologized again, and kept it moving, and that was a great coachable call. It's like, this is how you handle a bad situation. Look how we won here. So yeah, those are just as important as the, as the losses, as the bad calls. "Hey, this is a good call. G- this is a good call." That balance is super important. Yeah, it balances it. Yeah. And then, you know, it's like, okay, I did that right. Even when that client is a client that does not belong to you, and you can hear them tell the customer, it's like, "Hey, you know what? Appreciate your call, but this isn't the place for you." And that's not the word for word, but, "Hey, you handled that good. Thank you for saving us from a nightmare." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Amen. Share it with your team. So you gotta share the wins and the, the misses. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. And, and, uh, for a lot of people, I think they struggle in the creative. So if they can hear it, that it's already been done, they can duplicate. Sure. They can mimic. They can do the same thing over and over and over again. So the more we send these beautiful calls, "Oh my gosh, you guys did so well on this phone call. I, I love this part, this part, and this part," they're able to duplicate that, and they'll do it over and over and over again. And then, then you're- The mistakes that are being made become much less because you're showing, you're, uh, mirroring to them these are the really good calls that we wanna hear. Tonnika Haynes: And, and sharing that when you're going over a call, you got the good call here, we can work on this call, but this is another good call. You know, we talk about giving that sandwich. Yeah. And so that's another opportunity you can give that good sandwich. So when it's time to come in on Wednesdays and listen to your phone calls, you're like, "Ooh, I know I got one coming and I think I know which one it is." And then you're like, "Yeah, but you got this one too, so you won here, and, uh, we missed on this one, but next time it's not happening." Right? Right. So it's, you know, it's all in coaching. Jimmy Lea: Oh, David Boyes: it's so true. You just said something that's super important, and, uh, ooh, I think I know which one this is. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: Um, there, there's a lot to unpack there. I, I, I love the, the good with the bad. We'll talk about that more too, but, um, creating the awareness. So consistency wins, and, um, I'll say it again, be consistent with the process because consistency wins. And when you have that rhythm where it's familiar and it's expected, we're gonna sit down and we're gonna listen to calls, we're gonna go through this, identify the opportunities, um, it's not good and bad calls, it's, you know, it, it, uh, we call them top calls or champion calls and coachable calls. So a coachable call isn't inherently bad. Maybe we even got an appointment. Tonnika Haynes: Mm. David Boyes: Right? But there's, there's opportunities. So, uh, when we have that rhythm and it's expected, what's really important about what you just said is the awareness. So when I go to pick up that phone, is this the call that Tanika's gonna be talking with me about tomorrow or, you know, Wednesday, whatever our rhythm is? It, it will begin to create that moment of pause that as an a- an advisor when I'm picking up that phone, I can take that breath. Yeah. I can, I can, uh, let that, uh, you know, that technician that just blew me up Tonnika Haynes: Let 'em David Boyes: go. I can let that slide off. I can shake that off. Yeah. And I can focus for a moment to make sure that that customer knows right at this moment they are absolutely the most important person to me right now. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: So that's an important message to convey over the phone, our, uh, the, you know, the way that we speak, the words that we use, my en- excitement and enthusiasm about being on that call all comes through. So as we get through this rhythm and we develop the consistency and it becomes normal, now I've got that awareness on my team that, hey, this next call I'm taking, I'm gonna have the moment of pause to focus because this might be the next one that, that we're reviewing. I want this to be a positive call that, that Tanika's coming to me and saying, "You did really well on this one. Let's continue to develop this," and, you know, replicate the things that are working well. Instead of, "Hey, there's some opportunity here. You know, you didn't ask for the appointment. You were, you know, pricing over the phone. You said 'no'." No comes out in a lot of ways, doesn't it, Tanika? Where- Tonnika Haynes: Oh, yeah ... we, David Boyes: we might be telling somebody, uh, "You know, I'm really busy right", or, or, or "W- we, we're really busy right now, I can't get you in until Friday." Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: That's, that's, we might as well just say, "No, I can't help you." Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. You, that's, that's all they heard was the no. Um, even if you give... And, uh, everybody knows that I'm, I'm big on nos. Like, I can give you a no where there's some healthy nos, but then there's some nos and you have the customer saying, "Hey, um, m- my brakes are making the noise and it just started." And he's like, "Oh, no, I can't see you till Friday." He's like, "Yeah, but I'm gonna die before Friday. I wanna see somebody now." Um, so you don't, you have to learn how to coach them and say, "Yes, so bring that in. Let's take a look at what you've got, and then we'll come up with a plan." You didn't promise that it was gonna be today or tomorrow, but you said, "Bring it in. I'm worried about your safety. Let's see what you've got." Yeah. "Let's see if you should really be concerned about that check engine light. It might be a EVAP code." They don't know that, "But go ahead and bring them in." So and then you, like you said, the cadence in it. This, I'm not gonna make you any promises over the phone, and I would literally say that. "Hey, I don't wanna disappoint you by making a promise that I can't keep. So don't- Yeah ... don't make me, don't put me in that hole. But I need you to go ahead and bring that in to me as soon as you can. Um, and let's scan it. Let's see what you've got, and let's see if you should really be worried, if you can make that trip or we need to bring you in right away. We will help you come up with a plan." So just that solid no. "No, I'll see you Friday." Jimmy Lea: He, " Tonnika Haynes: Meh. No you won't." Yeah. Like, so that's support. That's Jimmy Lea: my- David Boyes: It, it becomes very collaborative in what you just said. Hey, let, let's make this about you, let's make this about your safety and your confidence to drive that vehicle. Maybe you gotta get across town and your commute is 30 minutes. Let's make sure that your vehicle is safe, and then once you're here and we make sure you're safe, let's talk about, uh, when we're gonna have that on the schedule. We'll get that vehicle in Tonnika Haynes: and prepared. Yeah. What are the next steps? Yeah. So let's go ahead and get- let's get your nerves calm- Mm-hmm ... and then let's come up with the next step. Let's come up with a plan. Us, us, us, we, we, we. So Jimmy Lea: yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love it. I love it. And, uh, you talk about s- building a solid foundation for this, the solid foundation for their skills so that the, the ongoing training you're doing really builds on that foundation. Uh, we've got a three-day service advisor with the institute. We're gonna give a shout-out to the institute here right now. So everybody grab out your smartphones, scan the QR code if your service advisor needs a solid foundation. Thank you, David. If you need a solid foundation- Registered now ... and you need to start with... Yeah, get registered. I know you've been to a couple of these, David, 'cause- I have you've talked about all the skills here just really, really well. If your service advisor needs that and you need to go from zero to hero very quickly, this is an intensive that you wanna send your service advisor to, and it will be at headquarters in Ogden, Utah. Fly right into Salt Lake, and, uh, and we got you set up there in Ogden. So, yes, David Boyes: scan that. It's a beautiful drive up from the airport. This class is, uh, it, it, it will help establish the, the fundamentals to build on. Yeah. So you come here, it's, you know, it's boot camp, right? We're, we're going to make sure that we're establishing the expectation and give you something to build on as the owner. Send your service advisors in here. Uh, they'll get those fundamentals, and then you'll have, you know, these, these mechanisms, uh, to improve them over time. I promise you it'll be a, a real game changer for your frontline. Tonnika Haynes: Well, you know what? Beautiful. I wanna piggyback on that. Um, and I wasn't coached to saying this. If they've already been, send them again. Jimmy Lea: There you go. Mm. Tonnika Haynes: Send them again, because here's the thing that I know, and I'm just gonna make it simple. I want you to think about your favorite movie. Like when, when I was in the 20s, for me it was Friday, the movie Friday. And then we watched that movie every Friday after work with the crew that I worked with, and it was just the most ignorant movie and the best movie for my generation. Each time I watched that movie, I would see a different thing. So I want you to think about your favorite movie and, or v- your favorite comedy. Each time you'd watch it, you would pick up something else. So it was like, "Oh, I didn't see that that last time." So even when it comes to training, "Hey, I did this three-day class and I did it a year ago. I grew." Jimmy Lea: Do it again. Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Do it again. Do it again. You, you're never too mu- uh, there's never too much coaching. So just do it again and you'll see it from a different angle. I just wanted to say that. Yeah, 'cause, um, there's been some classes that I, I take, and not just this one, but other classes, like, let me take that class again. Yeah. And you're like, "Aha. I didn't remember that from last time." Yeah. I didn't implement that from last time, 'cause we, you guys tell us, and coaches will tell you, "Just go and implement one thing. One thing." I mean, watch those changes, and then the next time you take the class, let's do one more thing, maybe two, and get, get a little bit better. Right. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. So speaking of training, ASTA, A-S-T-A, is coming up here real soon, Taneka. Real Tonnika Haynes: soon. We're less than 30 Jimmy Lea: days out. Let's give them a shout-out. Tonnika Haynes: Shout out to ASTA. Those are the people, not the people that made me, but it's my just one, my just one thing that I took away from there each time has helped build me to where I am. And I am, I cannot say I would not be where I was without them. But I would not be where I was, where I am without them. From those, those people that I met, the village that I met, meeting you, meeting my first coach, just meeting my, my industry brothers and sisters that I can call on at any time when I'm about to flip out, or when I have a win. 'Cause you know as owners and when, when you're a little higher, you can't share your wins with everybody without some jealousy. True. Yeah. So when you have a win and you have that community to call on. Mm-hmm. So yeah, ASTA is the place to be, September 24th to 26th, right here in Raleigh, North Carolina. So I hope somebody shows up. And, uh, I wanna meet some... Well, I know Jim. I'll be there. Jimmy will be there. You will not miss him. David Boyes: He'll have the jacket. Tonnika Haynes: He will have plenty of jackets on. It is a fun atmosphere, lots of community, lots of learning and growing. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna have a jacket war, so anybody who wants to play. David, you're bringing your jacket, so David Boyes: who wore Jimmy Lea: it best? Yes. Yeah. David Boyes: Yeah. I, I wanted to make sure that we were gonna f- uh, be able to carve out some time to do the who wore it best. Tonnika Haynes: Oh, David Boyes: always. I think, so B- Benji will be involved. Brett will probably be involved, right? Mm-hmm. And, uh, you, you two- Mike Allen ... Mike, okay, Mike, yep. Tonnika Haynes: I, I, I feel like we should have a girls version of this, 'cause you know, if the women got involved- Jimmy Lea: We always lose Tonnika Haynes: I mean, we would just throw you guys under the bus. Jimmy Lea: It's true. We tried that, Tanika, and you swept it. Yeah. You swept it. There, there was no- Tonnika Haynes: I don't wanna do that to you guys ... competing with Jimmy Lea: Tanika. Tonnika Haynes: I don't wanna do... Yeah, I don't wanna do that to you, so we'll, we'll figure it out. Maybe I'll make a f- couple phone calls and text messages and see what's up. David Boyes: Yeah. Speaking of phone calls. Speaking of phone calls. Tonnika Haynes: Throw that back in. David Boyes: I have a question for you. Yeah. Yeah. That's, hey, I couldn't have asked for a better softball there, but that's great. Um- ... thinking, thinking about the coaching process, you know, I, I, I had mentioned before it can seem a little uncomfortable, even as an owner. You know, listen to two calls, because that first one, you're gonna be so- Mm-hmm ... consumed by how weird I sound on the phone, right? So, but when you, when you started this with your team, what, how was it received? What were some of the, the challenges, uh, do, you know, h- what feedback did you get about listening to calls and going through the analysis? Tonnika Haynes: So I wanna say that when I first did it in, in coaching, so in a group setting, and you're listening to your team, so they call in, they have to do a call and they'll record a call. And so it's like, "Oh, well this time she did this, and this is the excuse." You wanna come up with excuses. You wanna defend- Right yourself. I wanna defend my shop. And so that service advisor's gonna wanna defend him or herself. Like, "Oh, well, you know, that customer and this was that." I was like, "No." So you get past that, and it's like, okay, like I said, you give the sandwich. Okay, so this is a great call. You tell me what you could have done, could have done better in this call. Right. 'Cause I don't wanna be in... 'Cause if you go into attack mode and say, "Oh, you should do this better, and you didn't follow the script, and you, you, you, you, you," you're gonna get somebody that's gonna put up a guard and be like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. I did my best." So I'll say, "I know you did your best on this, this one call, and you did a great job on this call. What happened, brother?" Balls in your court. Tell me how you can improve on this. Mm. What do you need from me to help you improve here? Was there a distraction? What was, what was the problem? So I kinda feel like I can teach them to self-coach. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Tonnika Haynes: I'm, I'ma give you a whole toolbox. You've got this toolbox. You know what a good call to- sounds like. Like, you also have a mirror. There's a mirror right there. Look at yourself. You've got reminders. I've got sticky note reminders on each, each person saying, "Don't forget to ask for the sale." What happened? "Oh, man, I was distracted, I sh- I should've..." Yep, you should've put the mouse down. You should've put the mouse down. So usually people will first get defensive, same. Mm-hmm. Um, then the defense mechanism starts to come down. Say, "All right, okay, so how do we fix this so next time I cannot find a bad phone call?" Jimmy Lea: Bingo. David Boyes: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: I love it. It, yeah. I love that you have a mirror there and you have sticky notes there helping as well, Taneka. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. That's, that's so good. ' Tonnika Haynes: Cause we forget. And- And it's okay- Oh, we do ... 'cause we get busy. But the Jimmy Lea: more Tonnika Haynes: we work on it- And I, Jimmy Lea: I, you... I'm certain that you guys have heard this before, that a fake smile is better than a real frown. Tonnika Haynes: Yes. David Boyes: Yep. Tonnika Haynes: Yes. And I'm really good at that. And so I've learned that because I've been doing it a very long time, so people know that I can really make you... I could, like, really fuss you out, and I would sound so sweet 'cause I'm smiling at you the whole time. "Well, you know what, Jamie? I think that was the stupidest thing you've ever said." Jimmy Lea: And if you do it with a smile, you can Tonnika Haynes: get away with it. And you're doing it with a smile and, and when you're shaking your head. So that smile makes a difference. And when I'm- It does ... picking up the phone out of an emergency, if they are busy up front and I'll see that phone ringing, and I pick it up and I'm not ready personally, I'm not ready to answer that phone, and it's a client that knows me, and I'm not smiling, I will get a, "Hey, Taneka, what's wrong?" You Jimmy Lea: okay? 'Cause Tonnika Haynes: they, "You okay?" And I'll say, "Oh, I'm sorry. I was distracted." 'Cause that's usually what happens, you're distracted, or that service, that, um, technician just rubbed you the wrong way or something's happened at home. So but once you put that smile on- You just fake it till you make it. And now you, I usually don't like to say that, but sometimes you do have to fake it till you make it. Like, yeah, absolutely. And use those words of, those positive words. Absolutely. Let's look into that for you. Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Sure. I love it. Love it. We talk about the phone call and how much it's worth. Uh, Bimmer PhD Motorsports is saying, "Can we dig into that a little bit?" How much does it cost to get that phone to ring? How much does it cost to acquire a new customer? You talk about the mindset and you talk about the service advisor- Mm-hmm ... and the smile that's needed to be there, fake or real. How much is that phone call worth, Tanika? Have you analyzed any of that in your shop? Tonnika Haynes: So that was actually a, um, something we did in the 20 group with my coach Jen. We went through that and we calculated how much it costs to sh- get that phone to ring. And I really wish I was prepared and I had that number for you. But once you realize that number, share it with your team. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: And then, uh, the institute probably has, um, a blueprint on how to figure that out. So you're looking at how much your website is, your Go- Google ads, any form of marketing that you have out there, down to the phone bill. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: How much does it cost to make that phone ring? And once you see it as the owner, you're gonna be like, "Whoa." And you share that with the team. Like, every time that phone rings, it costs me this. And then also think about your ARO. Jimmy Lea: Mm-hmm. Bingo. Tonnika Haynes: And every time- Yep, yep ... we do not get a y- yes, and we don't get that client through the door, we lost $850. Potential $850, potential $1,100. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Tonnika Haynes: So once we start thinking about, you know, everything, everything's not about money. It is That Jimmy Lea: we keep score. Tonnika Haynes: It is how we keep score. Yeah. Like, you know, we, we talk about we've got the metrics on the dashboard. Numbers don't lie. People do. Your emotions will. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: It costs me $75 every time that phone rings. Mm-hmm. And when you ring it, and when you land that deal, that's a potential 850, or whatever your ARO is, or whatever- Yeah ... that's what it is. And that's, and how long does it take to get that one client to get through the door? Yeah. And also think about how long you can hold onto them as a client. How many years Jimmy Lea: are you gonna- Tonnika Haynes: What's the lifetime value of the client? What's the lifetime of that client? Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: So that smile when you answer the phone, yeah, that's worth a lot of money. Jimmy Lea: Tens of thousands of dollars. Tonnika Haynes: Tens of thousands. So go ahead and put your Vaseline on your teeth- Jimmy Lea: Mm-hmm ... Tonnika Haynes: and, and start a- smiling. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. That's an old theater trick. Yes. Are you a, are you a musical theater person? Tonnika Haynes: No, but I just know about- Where are you pulling that from? ... Vaseline on your teeth and, 'cause you get tired of smiling. You, you know, at the conference, you have this whole muscle thing. You're like... Jimmy Lea: Uh, yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Keep s- keep, just keep smiling, smiling, smiling. Jimmy Lea: That's right, David Boyes: Dorothy. Those are important numbers, uh, to know how much does it cost to get that phone to ring. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: Uh, in some cases it can be, uh, you know, several hundred dollars depending on really all of those factors around generating those phone calls, and then what that ties into when the phone does ring, um, and we don't ask for the appointment. Has that $850 or $1,100 just walked over to my competitor across town? Yeah. But it also sets the stage when we're talking about coaching and development to bring it back to what's in it for me. As a service advisor, you know, most high performing shops are incentivizing their advisors on these, you know, these GP numbers and, you know, there might be other metrics on Google reviews, maybe have spiffs for these different things. It all requires us to generate the appointments and get those vehicles in so that we can have an inspection and we can, you know, generate the, the estimate and ultimately have a sale, and then make this an amazing experience for the customer so they're gonna come back next time. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: Uh, at the very front end of the phone call, you know, it, it takes X number of dollars to make the phone ring. When that phone rings, the customer, if they're a first time caller- Uh, they're likely y- we as, as a business are likely setting the stage within that first 15 to 20 seconds for the length of our relationship. So based on those initial interactions, we're going to begin setting the stage of how well this customer visit is going to go, uh, how much that we're developing trust with this customer. Do they trust me as an advisor? Do they trust this business, that we're experts and we're gonna help them, and we're gonna do so in a, in a fair and meaningful way? And then also, uh, we're going to set that basis for a repeat customer. Jimmy Lea: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: So that, that's where we get into the, the longevity of our relationship. Interestingly enough, so much of this happens at the very first moments of that very first phone call. And when we acknowledge that as a service advisor, I'm like, "Oh, that does tie back to the paycheck I get." As a business owner, "Wow, that ties back into the stickiness of my customers." I love, you know, repeat customers. I love repeat business. So we wanna drive these skills up front. Uh, Taneka, you talked about, you know, sitting down and going through, um, some of these calls and the, the service advisor reaction. Have you really developed and, you know, share your expectations on how you'd like the, the phone answered? I'm not asking about a script. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: But like that flow, right? We don't wanna create robots. Right. What have you done at, when you, you know, train and develop your team on here's what I would like to hear from you? Tonnika Haynes: So I haven't honed that in 100%, but I, I do know that we wanna thank them for calling. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Tonnika Haynes: We wanna know how did you find out about us? Great. Is this your first time calling? How'd you hear about us? So, so we can track that, right? Yeah. Was it a repeat? Was it a neighbor? Was it a Google? How did you... Was it a postcard? How did you hear about me? Um, what can I help you with, and how soon can I get to it? Can you bring that in today or tomorrow? And, um, and smile. So I have these little things that I want them to say that's on the side- Yeah ... of their computer, and I don't want you to sit there and read and just say, "Oh, well, yes, sir, how can I help you today?" I want it to flow naturally because that's who we are as a shop. We- we're not a scripted shop. We're, we're a bunch of goofy people, actually. People. We just happen to fix cars. Um, and that's who we are. Yeah. And I want that to come through. I want you to be friendly. I want you to re- when they come in with the cat or the dog or whatever, please not a cat, but the dog. I want you to put in the notes, this is, this is that customer's name and this is what their dog's name. If they refer to their, their car, "My car's name is Pearline." If you called my car by his name, I'm not taking it nowhere else So I want you to build that relationship. And so I don't have a script and I don't have a formula yet, and maybe I should work on that. And, um, we do have like a SOP. Yeah. Probably should do a better job at that. But then what you just said made me raise my eyebrow, like, I should do better with that. But we do have some things that I'm, that are non-negotiables. David Boyes: You've got your flow there, which is great. Mm-hmm. And I think you're, you're doing better in that than, than- Yeah ... uh, some owners that, that we talk with. I encourage, I encourage everybody to have a flow, right? Yeah. We, we wanna kind of go through the conversation. I'll tell you the number one, um, deficit that I hear within the first probably 10 seconds of a phone call is asking for the customer name, right? So- Right ... "Thank you for calling ABC Automotive. How may I help you? Um, yeah, I can help you with that. My name's David. What's your name?" Jimmy Lea: Mm. David Boyes: It's so simple. Yeah. And, uh, I listen to call after call after call. I mean, these, they, they pop out because of our AI call analysis, but where we go through this whole process and we've had a 90-second call or a two-minute-long phone call, and at no point ask the customer name. Tonnika Haynes: Right. And then you assume that the name on a caller ID is their name. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Right. Tonnika Haynes: That, that's a problem, too. I know that we were doing... I was doing it as well. Yeah. I would do it as well. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: But, um, and, and with that, I had a little challenge saying, "Hey, I want to see you guys' name on the, the review." Yeah. And it really bothers me when a client calls to check on their car, and I have to, have to answer the phone, "Hey, who was your service advisor?" "Uh, I don't know." What? David Boyes: Mm. Tonnika Haynes: They need to know your name. David Boyes: Mm. Tonnika Haynes: So I had to make sure that everybody had their own business cards when the car was dropped off. "Hey, my name is Stuart. This is who you should call to check on your car. Everybody here can help you, but I'm the main person." So I think a lot of people just don't do that, and say, "Hey, well, my name's Tanika. Who am I speaking with?" Great. "Have you been here with us before?" David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Tonnika Haynes: You know, if it doesn't pop up on the caller ID, "Have you been here with us before?" Yeah. But the caller ID pop up, that's a game changer. Am I skipping ahead? Should we not go that far yet? David Boyes: No, you're fine. Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Thank you, David. Yeah, just be ready. Yeah, be ready when, when David Voigts calls Brown's Automotive, and you call and say, "Brown's Automotive. This is Tanika. Hey, David, how can I help you today?" What is that? What are you doing? You knew I was calling. You know, like- Yeah ... yeah, caller ID exists. People forget about that. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: But- They do. They do. But it, it's just extra special. Yeah. And that's what the caller ID... I know one thing I do when the customer's walking in, and if I know I have a blue Toyota Coro- Corolla coming in at 9:00. "Who is this coming in?" Yeah. "Hey, Mrs. Such-and-such. Good morning. Oh, hey." Instead of saying, "Can I help you?" Yes, you can help me. That's why I walked through the door. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. " Tonnika Haynes: Hey, M- hey, Mary David Boyes: Jane." Or, "Hang on a second. I'll be with you in a second." Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. No. David Boyes: Don't do that. Tonnika Haynes: Don't do that. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: So, um, there's a lot to be said about customer service, and there's a lot to be said about s- calling people by their name. Jimmy Lea: Amen. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: It creates familiarity. Yes. And, uh, when, when we have familiarity, we have a relationship. Mm-hmm. It's in- it's potentially implied. But people love to do business with, with the, the folks that they have a relationship with. Mm-hmm. And they're inclined... You know, this is the fun thing about consumer behavior and human behavior, is when I have a great experience, I wanna rally my friends around that too. I want to include them in the joy that I get to experience when I come see Tanika and her team. Yeah. So I'm gonna- I, I'm gonna be much more likely to tell folks about it. If I have a meh- Meh ... average experience, it's probably not gonna come up in conversation. I'm not gonna stick my neck out there. But, um, how do we do that? Well, we address people by their name. We know when they're calling, right? I might even be pulling that up in my shop management system or my CRM. Just the s- the second the phone rings, it's gonna pop and present that information. "Yeah, I saw you were in three, three months ago, and we had looked at, you know, X, Y, Z on your vehicle. Should we add, add some additional time to take care of that this time?" Right? It, we have an awareness. They have confidence in us. We know them as a person. We know their vehicles. And now we're, we're joining together with our customers. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, at, at a common goal, right? And it comes back to their safety. Well, Tonnika Haynes: so what'll happen is you'll get a client, and, um... Sorry about the background noise. That's all right. You'll get a client, and they're not thinking about their car. They, they, they've grown to love you. They've grown to know you. They know you by your name. And then you made the recommendations last time. They trust you enough that they are just gonna be like, "Okay, whatever. I'll talk to you about it next time. Tanika's gonna remember that for me." Say, "Hey, Miss Mary Jane, you remember we talked about..." "I don't remember we talking about." "Well, here's a copy. I'm gonna send that over to you. We're gonna look at it, these things again." Yeah. It's just like having a whole system, and then you become that person. It's like I don't have to remember what my car needs 'cause Tanika and her team have the history, and they know me by my name. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Tonnika Haynes: Right. And they're gonna take care of me. David Boyes: The paradigm shift there is I, you know, as a service advisor, I'm the expert. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: As the service manager, I'm the expert, right? You've come to me because of our and my expertise, and I'm sharing the belief that you wanna be safe and you wanna care for your vehicle. So allow me to make these recommendations. Allow me to, to keep that, those notes about our previous interactions so that when we meet to, when we meet again, we can make sure that w- you know, we're, we're not starting from zero- Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm David Boyes: that we already have this information available, and we're going to improve that experience. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: Um, on the, on the call coaching side of it, um, you know, I, I think at some level you've kinda normalized it in your shop, and I'd love to learn more about how, you know, how did you do that? It's, it's not typical, I would say, that people are just, like, rallying around, "Let's listen to calls," right? 'Cause part of it is, you know, the exposure or this kind of fear of judgment. But once you normalize that and make it consistent, um, I'd love to know how you've done that and, and keep the, uh, the Big Brother mentality out the door. Tonnika Haynes: Well, I don't, well, we've got cameras, and we've got these things recording the calls. And, and first of all, these calls are not being recorded to get you. These calls are recor- Yeah ... recorded to cover your butts from that crazy person that swear they didn't say it. Mm-hmm. These calls are recorded to make you better. Um, I remember Chad say, "Hey, just put it on the calendar. Just put it on the calendar." It's like ha- having that one-on-one for the first time. Nobody knows what to say or to do. I'm not trying to attack you. I'm just trying to make you better. So let's just... I listened to my call. Be vulnerable. Me. Hey, Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... Tonnika Haynes: you don't wanna listen to your call. I didn't wanna listen to my own call. But let's, let's do this. It's just on the calendar. And like I said, the defense will just break down a little bit at a time, and I found that with my one-on-ones again. Like, we do a first Monday one-on-one. If I was late or if I skipped the one-on-one, they're like, "Well, why did, I didn't get my one-on-one. Am I in trouble?" They look forward to it. Everybody wants positive reinforcement. Amen. So if you keep it positive, and then some- like, "Hey, I looked at 10 of your calls, and out of the 10, only 3 of them were coachable." Or, "Hey, you remember when we started out, how you would have, like, a 11 bad calls out of 20? Dude, you only got two this time." So make sure we measure it, okay? Schedule it, measure it, keep it going. Know you're uncomfortable, they're uncomfortable, and just say- I don't wanna do this. Nobody wants to do it. Nobody wants to lift that... Well, a lot of people don't wanna lift the heaviest weight for the muscle gain. Mm-hmm. It's gonna be painful, but it's gonna get easier. It's gonna be easier for me and you as the coach and the coachee, or is it a coachee? Whatever. So, I mean, it, it's... I don't know if there's an easy way to put it, but I just know that you just keep doing it, you be consistent, and you let them know if you're uncomfortable. Like I hear shop owners say, "How do you start this one-on-one stuff? How do you start this coaching stuff?" You just start it. And you're just like, "Ooh, hey, I don't know what I'm doing either. Let's do this together." Yeah. "Let's, let's get better together." Like, I'm listening to my calls too. We're all getting better together. So I would just say start it, put it on a schedule, make it, make it pop up, show up. Yeah. Wednesday, coaching calls. Jimmy, one of the- Schedule it. It's ready to go. David Boyes: Yeah. That, that's perfect. I, I, I love the perspective too. And Jimmy, one of the, you know, the things that I share with owners consistently is be consistent. Mm-hmm. So I think the, the technology drives that, right? We're delivering an email with, you know, here, here's a, a top call, here's a coachable call. Here's some additional information. So delivering that is important, and the technology really helps us drive that consistency in this case. So, um, when that, that email comes out, here's a call example, you don't have to do anything with that today, or you can. If you don't, there's another one tomorrow, right? Mm-hmm. And we wanna create that normalcy. And th- this is the part that drives change, is one, you know, we're, we're making this normal. Yep. And Tanika, you were just talking about that, right? We're gonna put this on the calendar. People begin to expect it, right? It becomes normal for them, and that's a super important milestone in the coaching, training, and development process, is that sense of normalcy in the shop. And then, um, u- understanding the expectations and, you know, where do we have the opportunities. Um, Tanika, you know, one, one thought that comes to mind here is, you know, you'd mentioned at the beginning, like ask for the appointment. As you began doing this, you know, what, what did you begin to understand and, and see happening across, you know, the phone calls and across your organization? What patterns began to emerge? And really, what's that aha moment you had where you're like, "This is bringing value to me while I'm bringing value to my team"? Tonnika Haynes: Ooh, that's a good question. So when we start asking for the appointment, you know what? The calendar filled up. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. So the marketing was working. And, um, but the big aha moment... Ooh, that's a good question, Dave. You got me on that one. Should have text me that before you asked me that one. I'd been ready. David Boyes: My Tonnika Haynes: apologies. Phone with you. Aha moments with phone calls. I don't know. I, I really, I can't answer that one for you, but what I do wanna say before I forget the chance, don't get the chance to say it, when they're sitting beside each other up front and they're lis- 'cause they're, everybody can hear everybody's phone calls. Mm-hmm. I can hear them say, "That was a good one. What was that one about?" Or like Stuart would tell Hailey, he's like, "She's, she's had a lot of good phone calls here lately. I can hear the change in the way she's handling the phone calls." So again, um, may have got a little bit off subject, but them helping each other and encouraging each other. Maybe they can only hear one end of the phone call, but there's some key words like, "Oh, you killed that one." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. " Tonnika Haynes: You killed that one." Or making that sale on the phone call. Yeah. "I heard how you delivered that BVI. I heard that delivery. You gave them the good sandwich," and they said yes. Like this morning, she was like, "She said yes to everything." It's like, "God, it's working." Imagine that. Love it. Imagine doing a training, following the instructions, and it actually working. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Gotta David Boyes: love that. It really is the aha moment too, right? Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: You're, you're going through, you're driving consistency. You have, you know, some form of flow and expectations, and you're learning from one another. I love the fact that- Mm-hmm ... they're listening at least to one side of each other's conversations- Right ... in real time. Tonnika Haynes: I David Boyes: think I'm lucky Tonnika Haynes: with that- And then getting to populate from that ... with my team. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: I think I'm lucky with my, 'cause they're, they're not in competition, and, um, it's like how do you keep them... I don't know. God blessed me with that, but I'm just lucky that way. But encouraging each other- So. Jimmy Lea: It's good. That's good, Tanika. You, you've set up a solid culture there, solid people. They've got great results. You're listening to the phone calls. Consistency, like David's talking about. You know, um, hearing one side of the conversation helps a little bit, but if you, if you, as an owner, if you're only listening to half the conversation and you are not booked up three, four, five, six, seven, eight days in advance, chances are you're missing the other half of the conversation, and you need to listen to it. So you do need a device, a program, a, a hardware. You need a, a phone system that allows you to listen to all sides- Mm-hmm ... of the conversation. You've g- just gotta be able to do that. You gotta be able to do that. Now I'm gonna give another shout-out here as we work in our marketing. So a lot of times I hear shops talking about their marketing. "Well, my marketing's not working. I'm not... It's not working. It's not working." A lot of times it comes back to the phone call. Mm-hmm. How well is the phone call being handled or treated from an advisor? But speaking to the marketing part, we've got a shout-out here for the institute is holding a marketing intensive this October 26, 27, 28. Tanika, I just got off the phone with Brett Faidley. He is signed up. He is coming out for Mars Conference, so if you wanna get signed up as well, sister, we'd love to have you out here. Tonnika Haynes: I gotta get a real flashy jacket for that one. Jimmy Lea: Uh-huh. Tonnika Haynes: Pull out my Jimmy Lea: rhinestones. Right behind that Mars Conference. So if you got your smartphone there in front of you, grab out your smartphone, turn on your camera. There's the QR code right there. Oh, man. Flash the QR code and get registered. The, the, uh, the Mars Conference is going to be awesome. It is a conference where when you are done with the workshops, it's a three-day conference. When you're done with that three-day conference, you have 2027 mapped out, ready to go, and you know what you're gonna be doing month to month throughout that whole next year. It's super awesome. I, I love the Mars Conference. David Boyes: I do too. So Jimmy Lea: come- David Boyes: I was at the last one. Excited to be there. I'm, let me just say I was there as a participant at the last Mars Conference. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: And, uh, one, getting to, you know, to interact with so many, uh, friends across the industry was great, but also, uh, you know, I, I, I don't own a shop. I own a, uh, communication business. I took so much away from that that I immediately applied. I can speak from my own experience. Uh, and I know, uh, you know, many of the participants there that took those components right back to their shop and made immediate changes. So it is, uh, it's not just a, um, it's not just a workshop where you're gonna come away with a flashy workbook and put that in a dusty cabinet somewhere and never do anything with it. I promise you, you attend the Mars Conference, and, uh, you will come away energized and ready to make a real difference in your shop Jimmy Lea: Yep, for sure. For sure. Tonnika Haynes: All right. Like I s- I'm never gonna be at work if I keep coming, following you around, Jimmy. David Boyes: Just imagine your wardrobe, though. Tonnika Haynes: Oh, I know. It'd be so good. Jimmy Lea: It'd be so good. Tonnika Haynes: But no, we'll see. I, I'm thinking about that. I thought about what we talked about the other day, but we're not gonna get off subject 'cause I do that a lot. David Boyes: It can happen. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. David, what else? What else can we talk about with phones, phone systems, programs? Um, can we track our marketing using your phone system? David Boyes: Yeah. Uh, just on that very note, you know, the, uh, uh, we'll talk about this a little bit this year at Mars as well, but, you know, market tracking is important, right? We, we spend a lot of money, and understanding the performance, uh, is important. So with our phone system, you know, we can provide, uh, market tracking numbers if you have different campaigns, mailers, text messaging, website, uh, related, uh, leads that you're generating. Um, we can certainly provide unique numbers. The customer experience is the same, and the, um, you know, the shop experience is the same, except you have all of this additional data about, you know, how many calls were generated. So that's important to know, and, uh, it's also important to, uh, use that as a, you know, a good baseline of information about your capacity to manage phone calls in your shop. So when we look at some of the, uh, the other performance metrics, how long does it take us to answer the phone? Are we answering the phone, right? Jimmy Lea: Mm. David Boyes: In order to ask somebody for the appointment, we have to first answer the phone. Uh, and if you're spending this money on marketing campaigns, there are a variety of reasons, and I'll just tell you one example that I hear often from owners is, you know, they put out a marketing number and they, you know, advisors, uh, might believe that it's, you know, it's generating bad leads, something like that, so they won't answer that phone. Um, but we wanna, we wanna understand, uh, the behavior of what's going on. Is it something that we can control? Um, are, are we effective in the marketing campaign? What information do I have around that? And then additionally, uh, running that into the call analysis, uh, so that we understand are we, are we converting these, right? If we're generating the leads, are we actually generating appointments? And then, uh, from that point, if you know you have the appointment, you can measure your performance, uh, go forward. So there's a lot of data that we can capture, um, other than just sending in all of these phone calls to the main number. Jimmy Lea: I love it. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Jimmy Lea: I love it. I love the, the phone is such a powerful tool. I love when we can multitask that tool and do multiple things with the, the same tool. Very cool. Very cool. But i- if there a- any questions, comments, concerns from our audience, we would love for you to type those in. If there's questions for David or questions for Tamika, go ahead and type those into the comments section. While they're doing that, I will say if you are trying to keep up with me, good luck. But you can find it on our website. The website page is, uh, wearetheinstitute.com/events. That's all of the events that are coming up here in the very near future where you will see the institute participating and locking arms with the industry to help elevate the industry. Our motto, our mantra is, better business, better life, better industry. We're gonna lock arms with you as a shop owner so that you have a better business. The net result of you having a better business is that you have a better life. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. Jimmy Lea: And not just you have a better life, your advisors have a better life, your technicians have a better life. Your, uh, your partners have a better life. Your spouse Your advisors' significant others, their spouses, uh, their, their technicians and their spouses, the, and their children. Everyone elevates, everyone breathes better, everyone sees a bluer sky and greener grass when we have a better business, a better life, and our commitment is that we will help this become a better industry. Looks like there's a couple of comments that did come through. Oh, no, that's Raleigh posting out the webpage for the events. Yeah. Uh, super awesome. Super awesome. Uh, last final thoughts, final ideas. David, we'll start with you. Tanika, then to you. Yeah. That we can help this industry grow. David Boyes: Tanika, thank you for joining today and, and sharing your experience. It's super valuable for, for me as a provider to our industry that, uh, we understand how we're driving impact. So thank you again for that. Thank you for your trust and support. For the, uh, the audience, uh, Call Inbound is our company, callinbound.com. Uh, we provide communication services, uh, call tracking information, uh, advisor call handling performance metrics, and AI call analysis. But above all, we're part of the industry, right? So, uh, I got my start with, uh, with the institute in a 20 group. Got, you know, very ingrained in the industry, uh, while I was building my company. And, um, you know, I'm proud to say that I'm part of the, uh, not just the automotive aftermarket, but the, the service repair industry. Thank you, Tonnika Haynes: gentlemen. I wanna make, make sure you know that I appreciate your company. Um, I don't know how many employees you have, but it seems like they're all just sitting in the same room waiting to help. I can send an email and I get a response so quickly, and it's always been consistent great service, so I do appreciate that. And, uh, anybody that's on the fence, whether you, you know, I'm like, "I don't wanna listen to phone calls, that's just another thing for me to need to..." Do it. Listen to the phone calls. Start with yourself. Start with yourself as the owner. I always say start, start with yourself. I always assume that I'm the problem, then I can work from there. Listen to your phone calls, and if you think you're good and then you listen to them, you realize how bad you are, think about how bad your team is if you're not coaching them. So get them in coaching call services or what- whatever. Listen to the phone calls. Get everything in order. And not only will you make better sales and better connections, more appointments, but I really truly believe that it could save you a lot of heartache. Yeah, they record bad calls, too. Bad calls from the other end that you're, you know, that you need, I hate to say for court, but anything. It's like, "Hey, sir, we've got that call recorded and that didn't go quite the way you're saying it's gonna go." So that's another part to it that could, that could be very important in your shop. We call that David Boyes: the replay booth. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. David Boyes: We'll take that to the replay booth. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: It, it, it's an important to CYA. Exactly. You gotta cover your own behind. Tonnika Haynes: There's a great... That's a great tool for that. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Yep. Yep, for sure. Well, with that, thank you very much. David, thank you for being here. Taneka, thank you very much for being here. Tonnika Haynes: Any Jimmy Lea: time. Look forward to seeing both of you very soon at our next conference, and to give you a big hug and say hello. Uh, bring your best jackets, David. Say Tonnika Haynes: less. Gotcha. Say less. Back in the David Boyes: studio. Jimmy Lea: Yes, yes. Very much looking forward to working with all of you in the very near future. And for everyone that is listening, thank you so much for joining us today as we talk about building a better business, a better life, and a better industry. My name is Jimmie Lee. I'm with the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence, and we're here to lock arms with you and make a difference. Click on it. Come find us. We're here to help. How can we help you? Let's make a difference. Talk to you soon.
