Ep 176: How a Near-Crash Paved the Way for His Leadership with Brad Coleman

0:00And I'm going down I-77 in Charlotte doing about 70 miles an hour. And all of a sudden I look up from my phone, traffic has stopped probably 30, 40 feet in front of me. No way I can stop. And my react, I just ripped it off the road. I went bouncing through the grass and I slid to a stop and just my adrenaline just dumped out.

0:19And I just sat there just thinking about what just happened. And that was the last moment I ever texted and drove. I was 19 years old at the time. I was done with it. It absolutely terrified me. You're listening to the Limitless Leadership Podcast, the podcast designed to help automotive repair shops learn how to lead, coach, train, and manage their team better by sharing proven techniques and thought-provoking interviews from industry leaders.

0:46Are you ready to transform your leadership skills by tapping into unrecognized potential to achieve limitless results? Let's get ready for liftoff. It's time to go from great to greater. Here's today's episode. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Limitless Leadership Podcast. Before we get started, don't forget to like, comment, subscribe, do all the things you need to on social media to help this podcast impact people and build leaders just like our guest Today, our guest is a former NASCAR driver turned driving instructor.

1:22He is the owner of Safeway Driving. He's also a fellow Houstonian. Our guest today is my friend Brad Coleman. Brad, thanks for being here, man. Hey Josh, thanks for having me. And, uh, yeah, please everybody like and subscribe cuz why are we here if you don't? Why are we here? That's, that's what I'm saying, Brad. Thank you for that. Uh, well man, uh, if you would, Brad, go ahead and share with the audience who you are, what you do, and how you do it.

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3:28You would think maybe as some kind of racing performance driving school. That's not it. It's driver's ed. It's 15-year-olds getting their license. It's driving safe. On the streets. So a little bit, a little bit weird, uh, going from NASCAR to that, but I'm very passionate about driver safety and people being safe on the roads. Big reason of that is I have a family of my own.

3:49I've got a wife, I've got 2 little boys, so they're out on the streets. I want them to be safe, and I want everybody to be safe because the whole reason we get in a car is just to go somewhere and to get to a destination. So I want everyone to get there. Um, how I got to here Uh, it's through the NASCAR avenue is first, I'm actually a graduate of Safeway Driving myself.

4:09Uh, I, like you said, I'm a Houstonian, grew up here in Houston, and Safeway has just been a staple in Houston for 53 years. So I went through Safeway, got my driver's license through them, and then went off into the race car world and became a NASCAR driver. And when you're, when you're racing at that level in motorsports, there's a lot of sponsors that have to pay the bills because there's big bills.

4:30And one of the sponsors was Nationwide Insurance, and they had a really cool initiative where as we were traveling the race circuit, going city to city every weekend, they would have some drivers go to a local high school. They'd take a simulator out there. They would put some high schoolers in the simulator and then hand them a cell phone and say, let's see how good you are texting and driving.

4:50And it was a really cool initiative. And I got roped into it because at the time I was 19 and just got out of high school. I didn't want to go back to speak to high schoolers. I was, I was a little nervous about that, but went and did it and started noticing the more I did it that there were, there was these high schoolers where I would see clicks.

5:10I would see moments where they would realize, oh wow, I'm not as good of a driver when I do this. You know, of course there was tons of them that tried to be cool in front of their friends and they would, oh, look what I can do. They're crashing and laughing. And then that there's some of them where you realize, I think I just made a difference in this person's life or something impactful just happened.

5:29And it really sparked something inside of me because I knew, I knew I wouldn't race cars forever. I mean, nobody does. There becomes an age where you can't do it anymore. And so I was like, well, what, why don't I just look more into what I could do with this? Like, this is really cool. So I actually went back to Coach Walker, who started Safeway Driving 53 years ago.

5:49Told him about this passion I was realizing, and turns out him and his wife were wanting to retire. So ended up being this perfect situation where me and my family purchased Safeway Driving from him, and the rest is history. That's amazing. You know, I'm a faith-based person, Brad, and I believe that God is at the center of everything that I do and everything this company does.

6:12And, you know, your story about how you got into Safeway Driving, it just makes me believe that he had a hand in all of that. And, uh, you know, his timing is always perfect. I'm, I will say he's not often early, but he's never late and his timing is always perfect. And so, um, it's just interesting how things work out that way, man.

6:29I, yeah, I gotta go back and, and look like, who did I go through driver's ed with? Because it's very possible that Safeway was a company I, I used, uh, you know, I'm, I'm dating myself, but almost 30 years, no, uh, 25 years ago. I don't know. I'm 44 right now, so do the math, but I do have. There's a good chance.

6:45Yeah, it's very possible. But you know, our three oldest, my wife and I have four kids. Our three oldest are fifteen, fourteen, and thirteen. So there's a very good chance that you will see all three of them in the very, very near future. Come on. Yes. So maybe the diamond. Be ready for us. Well, hey man. So former NASCAR driver turned driving instructor.

7:06This is the this is the epitome of you got to slow down in order to speed up. I mean, you truly had to slow down. From driving as fast as you were, the speeds that you were with NASCAR, to speed up and scale your organization from, I'm not sure how many org— how many locations you guys had, but 23 right now. So you have 23 locations spanning the state of Texas, the great state of Texas.

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9:26Uh, and it happened while I was still racing. Uh, of course it was because of doing the simulator with the high schoolers, going and speaking to them. But the reason that was so impactful to me is because I have my own story, which unfortunately a lot of people do when it comes to texting and driving, where, I mean, I was a race car driver.

9:43I thought, I'm incredible at this. I can text and drive. I used to drive with my knee, steer with my knee, 2 hands on the phone, just texting and driving. Absurd. Uh, and I'm going down I-77 in Charlotte doing about 70 miles an hour. And all of a sudden I look up from my phone, traffic has stopped probably 30, 40 feet in front of me.

10:04No way I can stop. And my react, I just ripped it off the road. I went bouncing through the grass and I slid to a stop and just my adrenaline just dumped out. And I just sat there just thinking about what just happened. And that was the last moment I ever texted and drove. Like, I was 19 years old at the time.

10:24I was done with it. It absolutely terrified me. So I don't know why slowing down to speed up made me think of that, but that was such a big moment and why when I went to speak to the high schoolers and I saw the aha moments in them, it's like, yeah, this is something that I want to do with the rest of my life.

10:44So that made me slow down because I was going just in my life, just going through it, going fast. Uh, so that was a big moment for me. And then when it comes to just driving school, you gotta slow down to go fast. If you go too fast, you get pulled over, you get in a crash, and it ends up taking you longer.

11:04I mean, you, if you get me down the avenue of driving statistics, so many people will speed because they think that it gets them there quicker when statistically, when you're doing city driving, you do not get there quickly with quicker speeding with the way lights are timed out. You've all, we've all had those people that go flying by us and they're driving crazy.

11:24And then you get to the next light and you pull up right next to 'em. You just kind of look at 'em and you're like, hey buddy. Yeah. So yeah, it's important to slow down to speed up. Um, you know, I'm, I'm glad you're bringing this up, Brad, because you mentioned texting and, and I'll say, you know, when I went through driver's ed years ago, um, cell phones weren't a thing.

11:42I mean, I'm, I'm talking about like days, like pagers were a thing. Cell phones were not yet a thing. Um, how much How much instruction or education is provided as it relates to cell phone usage and obviously the hazards that come with it in the, in SafeWay Driving right now? Like if, if you have, if you have attendees who are going through the, you know, students who are going through the program, to what level of, um, information or knowledge is shared regarding cell phone usage while driving?

12:10Well, there's, there's 2 phases when it comes to driver ed, driver's ed in Texas. There's the, uh, the classroom portion and then behind the wheel. Training in the car. So our classroom is all done online. We created our own online course and it follows specifications that the state of Texas lays out. So hours of that course are about distracted driving in general, you know, more than just your cell phone, but there's a lot of texting and driving in that.

12:36And then once you get through your whole course doing the online course and then the driving, the state of Texas requires you to do a whole nother 2-hour course through them. Outside of a driving school where basically you watch 2 hours of videos of people crashing while texting and driving. So, oh wow. Okay. It's a big thing. It's scare tactics. It, yeah, it affects a lot of people.

12:57I mean, what would driver's ed be without the scary videos and, and all those things? Uh, it's, it's a big thing and so many people do it. It, I mean, there's only so much you could do. You can tell drivers all the statistics, you could show them how dangerous it is, and ultimately people have to make their own decision. So CEO and owner of Safeway Driving, uh, I'm curious, when you think about leadership within your organization, and then you have different franchisees who are also leading their teams, can you talk about what leadership looks like to you?

13:28And then furthermore, ask the, uh, answer the question, what does leadership mean to you? Yeah, that's a great question. Uh, to me, leadership is living what you're preaching. Like if I, if I tell people what to do, but I won't do it myself, nobody's going to listen to me. And I think that's, that's huge. And it's, it's taking the time to really study what's going on in the company, what everybody's experiencing, what do customers want?

13:56What do instructors want? What do employees want? And, and, and just taking the time to listen and then to actually act on it. Uh, do what I say I'm gonna do because I can, I can do lip service all day and say the right thing. But if you, if you don't actually do it, everyone sees. That's something I'm really passionate about with, with franchisees and our franchise system.

14:19When I say I'm going to do something, I do it. And it's cool to hear the feedback of like, yeah, when you say you're going to do something, we know you're going to do it. Like, that's really important to me, uh, that people, because It shows that I care about what we're doing. Like, it all comes down to, I very much care about making our roads safer.

14:38Uh, there's a really cool statistic that the, the state of Texas releases every year. It rates all the driving schools and it shows all their graduates for that year. What are their crash rates? Like how many of their graduates have crashed in the last year? Oh, wow. And it shows that Safeway, our, our school, Um, our graduates' chance of getting in a crash is nearly half of your average driving school.

15:02So what we're doing is statistically making a difference on, on roads in Texas because Texas is giving us that data. It's not our own studies. It's what the DPS releases. So it comes down to everyone do what you say you're going to do. One of my big values of Safeway is we call it own it. Like if you say you're going to do something, do it.

15:23Like accountability is a big thing. So, uh, I'd say with leadership, that's, that's essential. That's powerful. You know, we know that accountability is not calling you out, it's calling you up and taking ownership of something is one way that we can establish trust. And, you know, I love this concept or this mantra of say what you mean and mean what you say.

15:42If, if, if Brad Coleman says he's going to do something, I know he's going to do it because I know who he is by this point. Like I know who he is. And that's, that, that allows me to put trust in you. And we know that we can't create, uh, we, we, sorry, we can't provide clarity and direction. These are 2 very important things for every, every team member if we don't establish safety and trust.

16:04And I mean, look, safety is the name of the game, especially in your, like, literally and figuratively in your business. Safety is the name of the game. You're establishing safety because the consistency in which you, you communicate and, um, and the intentionality along with it, then it creates trust. And now we can provide clarity and direction. I, I didn't know about this, about the stats that, that are shared, um, uh, year over year, but I wanna just take a moment, Brad, and, and commend you for, for something.

16:34You and I are just getting to know each other. I mean, so full transparency, Brad and I are getting to know each other on this actual interview, but I can hear the level of passion and care in your voice, which is incredibly important for me being a likely a future customer of yours. Because again, I got 3 kids who are going to need to be going somewhere sooner rather than later.

16:54I, I want to make sure that I'm, I'm putting them with someone who cares. And we know that people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. And there's just a level of care that you exude that I just want to say, man, thank you for that. Because look, our kids are incredibly important and the roads need to be kept safe.

17:12And if Safeway is the one who's doing it, let's shout out to Safeway. Um, if I'm listening or watching this episode, and I can watch this episode on YouTube at The Bearded Leader, but if you're listening or watching this episode wanting to know more about Safeway Driving, how can we get in touch with you or Safeway? What's, what's the website we can go to?

17:31Yeah, the best place is safewaydriving.com. It's got, uh, everything you could need there, info on what we do, where we are, how to reach out to us, and you can go there. And yeah, well, thank you, Josh, for what you just said. That means a lot because I do really care about this. And sometimes I feel like I care too much because I'm like, why don't other people care as much as me?

17:54But yeah, that's my job. Hey, what's funny is Every leader can relate to what you're sharing. It's like, you know, leadership can be a lonely road. It's a road that's not often traveled. It's often the road that's not taken, but it can feel lonely. And we wonder, well, why aren't these guys bought in? Why, you know, why aren't these guys and gals bought in?

18:18Why, like, why isn't everyone else treating it like it's their baby the way I treat it like it's my baby? And it goes back to ownership and being able to Cast a vision that's clear so that your team can understand the mission that they're, that they're on to drive the mission towards the vision, but they're bought in and they're taking ownership. They're thinking like an intrapreneur, not an entrepreneur, but an intrapreneur, like they're, like they're an owner within the business, which leads me to my next question.

18:45How do you get your franchisees bought in? How do you get your franchisees to treat each location like it is their baby? What kind of leverage, flexibility, flexibility, autonomy do you give them to, to, to truly put the level of care that you put into this organization in their own respective location? Yeah, well, I love what you were just saying, and it's exactly why we decided to do the franchise model for growing instead of just opening up more corporate stores.

19:11Because, okay, when you get that owner mindset at, at each location, you know, this is my business, my small business. Uh, this, my community that I live in, I want them to be safer. It just gets different results than, uh, if, if I go and I open 50 corporate locations of Safeway Driving. I mean, it's, we're going to do a good job, uh, because we have our systems in place.

19:34But when you've got that franchisee that has lived in that area for 20, 30 years, their kids have gone through school, they know their neighbors, they want them to be safer. It just, it just makes it that much more special. So that's why we do that. And, and, and the franchisees, it starts with in the selection process, like making sure it's a good fit for both of us.

19:54I'm not, my mindset is not, I'm going to grow as fast as I can. That's not what I'm about. I want quality growth. I want partners that are going to really care about our mission, that are going to live it themselves, and that are going to just do the standard that we hold ourselves to. And another piece of that is our standards and our operating manual.

20:16We worked really hard on You know, if you know franchising at all, you know, it's, you lay out everything you do in these manuals so that you can hand it to somebody and then they can just execute on it. So it's assisting them with the manuals and the training we do. And then also just along the way, if they have any questions, we've got people ready to talk to them that are just constantly in communication and helping them just live up to those standards.

20:42Because we find that if we provide those materials and we provide the training and and show that we care, they want to live up to those standards. They don't want to join us and, and do a bad job. We're doing, we're doing too, too important of work for someone to just come in and not care about it, which is cool about what we do.

21:00Absolutely. I love that you use the word standards. I'm a big believer in standards, specifically standards over goals. And I'm not knocking goals by any means. I think it's important that we have goals, short-term, long-term goals, but I believe in standards over goals because the way we do anything is the way we do everything. And we're gonna do everything with level of excellence, with level of care, level of quality, level of safety at Safeway Driving.

21:21Because the way we do anything is the way we do everything. It's a standard that we've set. And I, I love that you're talking about the importance of having standards, having the SOPs, the standard operating procedures, the manuals that you guys have. You're providing all of the resource, the resources. It's up to your franchisee to be resourceful. You also have the support staff.

21:41For them because they're gonna have questions inevitably. They're gonna have questions, but you guys have people on staff, uh, who are ready to support, ready to serve. And that's, that's what it should be. That's the way it should be. I, I, I mean, the, the more I'm learning about you and Safeway, I mean, look, I'm sold. I mean, the, the, the stat that you shared was enough for me to say, of course I wanna take my kids here.

22:02If, if, uh, half of the, uh, uh, wait, we, you said in term all, all the accidents, Uh, Safeway has, um, uh, less than half is, is the average. Am I, I'm not, I don't think I'm not saying it's, it's confusing to say. Uh, so what it is, is it's the, all the graduates of driving schools and their first year getting their license after graduating.

22:26How many of them crashed? They have the statistics on that. All first-year new drivers. Where did they go to school? How many of them crashed? And the statistic shows that our graduates' chances of getting in a crash is nearly 50% of if you went to another school. Okay. Meaning you're almost twice as safe. Yeah, you are. I think, I think you're right.

22:47Yeah. Very well said. Uh, well, Brad, thank you for being here. I do have another couple questions for you. I, I gotta ask, look, former NASCAR driver, um, putting you on the spot, what's like the wildest, you know, craziest story you have as a NASCAR driver? Something that, you know, your friends would be like, hey, you know, Brad, former NASCAR driver, people are looking for, hey, what, what, like, what's, what's, what's out there that we need to know?

23:10I'm curious, like, any, any wild stories come to mind? Man, I don't, I don't know, some that I can't share, the wildest ones of being a, being a young, a young adult, uh, in a professional sport environment. Um, I'd say, I mean, I got to meet really cool people, uh, and, and, and just do things that most people would never get to do, which is so cool.

23:31And I think my wife would be a better one to ask that question to because I'll tell her a story or be like, we'll see someone on TV. I'll be like, oh man, I went on a double date with that guy and we were hanging. And she's like, what? You used to hang out with those people? Or used to like, you never told me you knew, like you hung out with ZZ Top or like stuff like that.

23:50Like, yeah, yeah. Just a lot of cool, a lot of cool stories of, uh, getting to hang out with people or getting to special access at different events or, or whatever. I mean, it's I don't know. You could ask me specific questions. I can give you a better answer, hopefully. Well, no, I think this is great. I mean, I do think that, you know, it's very clear to me that you're a sharp guy.

24:11You are focused. There is a greater purpose to what you're doing than just simply doing a job. And, you know, I believe in being able to find our purpose. It's not often easy to do, but it's something that's definitely possible. And we find our purpose Um, purpose trumps motivation. I mean, I, I gotta assume, Brad, there are days that maybe you're not motivated to get up and go to work.

24:34Maybe there's days that you're just not feeling it, but purpose trumps motivation any day of the week. Um, I'm gonna ask you, there's, you've likely had a lot of coaches in your life, uh, mentors. I mean, as a driver, I know you had your own coach as well. Um, what is the best advice that you've ever received from a coach or a mentor?

24:52Yeah, well, it, it, it would, uh, It would depend on which phase of my life, uh, because there's, there's been different careers. Of course, there— I— the coaches that I had for racing, their advice wouldn't work very well for, uh, for business. For, for example, there was one coach, uh, his name was Price Cobb. He was my, my first, my biggest mentor in racing.

25:13Uh, I even lived with him when I was a teenager for a while, just learning racing. Uh, he won the 24 Hours of Le Mans back in the '90s, which is a very famous sports car race. Um, and, and his, his advice would be, you know, when in doubt, flat out, which obviously it was a joke, but it was like a mindset, uh, as a race car driver of like, hey, if you're not sure, go, like, just race harder.

25:38Uh, and then when you come to business, that's not necessarily a good idea. You know, when in doubt, don't just throw all your chips on the table and hope it works. Like, that's, that doesn't work. Um, so yeah, advice from him and then a lot of advice on trying and failing. Uh, I think that is probably one of the most important things you can do as a leader is when you, when you, when you do fail, cause you will learn from it.

26:03Uh, and, and don't, don't use it as a, don't waste that, that opportunity you have for growth. Uh, there's a lot of people have talked to me about that and like, don't, don't go around leading, trying to avoid failure because Of course you don't want to on purpose, but if you're just trying to avoid failure, you'll never try anything that's worth doing really.

26:23So I can think of plenty of failures that I've had that we've grown from and are better because of it. So I think that's a huge one. Well, and you're also likely more successful because of your failures. You've been able to learn and have that pivot type of mindset. When we're not failing, we're not learning, or if we're not failing, we're not learning.

26:42If we're not learning, we're not growing. And if we're gonna grow through anything, we've gotta be willing to go through anything. I appreciate the fact that you just, just a little that you just shared in regards to the, the, um, not the opportunity to fail, but, but just, it's like, look, here you have a chance to fail, meaning it's okay if you fail.

27:01It, it's, it's a learning opportunity. Um, to me, I'm, if I'm a franchisee, uh, a prospective franchisee, potent, you know, potentially joining Safeway, I'm hearing that there is a safe space, place, and platform for me to make mistakes. Um, you know, knowing that as long as I put forth, uh, um, the, my, my best, you know, I, the 2 things I can control each and every day is my attitude and my effort.

27:25Um, it's not always gonna go perfect. In fact, it's never gonna go perfect. It's not often gonna go pretty, but when a mistake gets made, when a failure occurs, doesn't make me a failure, but it, it helps me learn and I can grow, grow accordingly. If I were to flip the script and ask you, let's say you have, uh, your franchisees across your brand and you have a message for your franchisees, Brad, and the one thing that comes to mind right now, message on your heart right now, what's one thing that you would share with your franchisees, um, about leadership, about life, about legacy?

27:59One thing, putting you on the spot again, but if you, if you, if you don't mind. Well, if they were all listening right now, I'd say we're in the middle of summer right now, which is our busy, busy season. Y'all are doing great. Keep going. There's a lot of action going on right now. All the kids are out of school wanting to drive.

28:15Phone, phones are ringing off the hook. Um, man, if I was talking to my franchisees, I'd say just get out in your community because that's, that's really what a franchisee of Safeway Driving's biggest responsibility is, is to get out in their community. And let people know we exist and why what we do is important and why we're different than any other driving school you would see.

28:37Because when most people think of a driving school, there's a vision that their image that pops in their mind of a rundown car, an instructor that might be creepy and not pleasant to be next to. Yeah. Uh, that really is just kind of reading a book or reading a newspaper and you're going and running errands for them. Like, unfortunately, that is a reality.

28:57For a lot of driving schools. Uh, you think of an old classroom, gross carpet, furniture that wasn't thought of, but just kind of pulled out of the dumpster kind of look and feel. And, uh, that's, that's not who we are. So franchisees know that. They know very well who we are. So just getting out and, and telling their community that we're different, we're a premium product, we're a good place to be.

29:21Like our cars are only going to be 4 years old before we get a new one. We have the Best technology, newest, cleanest cars. So just drive the car around because that's our best marketing piece. It looks great. It's NASCAR inspired. Um, but they, they know all these things. They do a great job at it because we, we just, we, we have our training that they've all been through and we just keep in touch on a, on a monthly basis, a quarterly basis.

29:46We're out visiting them. I, I myself will go to all these meetings to just keep in touch with them and just keep, keep my, uh, what is it, ear to the ground on, on how things are going. And so I can just stay connected. And we, we were talking about trying things and it's okay to fail. Uh, totally okay to fail as long as we keep, we have our values.

30:08Our number one value is safety first. We will not fail there. Uh, so making that clear to my franchisees, don't, it's not okay to fail when it comes to safety. Like, uh, we, when you're a driving school, uh, that is absolutely number one for our students, for our instructors, and for everyone out on the road. That makes sense. SafewayDriving.com. Uh, look, if you're, if you weren't interested before, I know you're interested now.

30:33So go check out SafewayDriving.com. Brad Coleman, thank you for being here. One last question. One last question before we go. What's the best advice that you can give our listening audience? The best advice I can give the audience? When you're in the car, just drive. That's all you're there to do. Put down your phone. Don't do any distractions. Of course, don't drink and drive.

30:55And many people will roll their eyes at me that I've talked to about that. They're like, okay, I get it. Don't text and drive. Seriously, statistically, you're a way worse driver when you do it. I don't care how good you think you are. I can go into all the science. Please don't do it. Just, just drive. Yeah. Thank you for that. Look, I'm, I'm guilty of it as well.

31:13And so, uh, this, this has helped me tremendously. So, um, thank you for being here, Brad. Next time we're gonna do this in person. Deal? Deal. Okay. We'd love to. Good. We'll do it. We, maybe we can get in a car and give you a driving lesson. Let's, that'd be awesome. Let's try to do the podcast in the car. So we'll just, we'll figure it out.

31:30Suction cup some GoPros in the car and go do it. There you go. Awesome. Well, Brad, thank you for being here and thank you for tuning into another episode of the Limitless Leadership Podcast. As you know, every episode we look to transform our leadership skills by tapping into unrecognized potential. To achieve limitless results. So thanks again, everyone. Have a great day. Don't forget to smile today.

31:47Tell your loved ones how much they mean to you. I'm Josh Parnell reminding you to keep leading well.