EP26: ShopSoup Goes Into Overdryve With Mike DelaCruz
With Mike DelaCruz
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About this episode
Welcome to ShopSoup! In Episode 26, I get to talk with Mike DelaCruz, CEO of Overdryve, a marekting agency that helps shops understand their marketing…
Key takeaways
- —Understanding the unique needs of each shop is crucial for effective marketing.
- —AI can enhance marketing strategies by providing predictive analytics and optimizing campaigns.
- —Building strong relationships with customers through personalized interactions is essential for retention.
- —Community involvement and understanding local demographics can significantly impact a shop's success.
- —Shop owners must ensure their staff is trained to convert leads effectively to maximize marketing efforts.
Frequently asked
- How can AI improve marketing for automotive shops?
- AI can analyze data to predict customer behavior, optimize marketing campaigns, and provide insights that help shop owners meet their goals more effectively.
- What is the importance of community engagement for auto repair shops?
- Engaging with the community helps build trust and brand loyalty, making customers more likely to return and recommend the shop to others.
- How can shop owners improve their customer service?
- Shop owners can enhance customer service by training staff to engage empathetically with customers and by using CRM systems to track customer preferences and interactions.
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Hey, Greg here. Another edition of Shop Soup Podcast, and I'm with a dear, dear friend and great industry brother of mine, Mr. Mike De La Cruz from Overdrive. I'm so happy you said yes to come on. You know, we saw each other out in Tectonic. We had a great dinner together. Just— we were just real talking in real time, real guy-to-guy stuff.
So, Mike, man, so glad you made it. How you been, brother? I mean, first and foremost, I'm honored to be here because I feel like it's overdue. Number one. Number two. Yeah. I just, I've been following this and just going like, man, I'm just been a big fan. Um, so thank you, Greg, for the opportunity. I know we caught up at Tectonic and we talked about doing this, so I'm glad we finally made it happen.
So it's great to be here. Appreciate the invite. How have I been? I've been, you know, burning the candle at both ends, man. You know, like it's, uh, But I'm enjoying every second of it. And it's one of the things about 3 and a half years ago, I really had to do some self-reflection. I'm like, you know, what motivates me? What gets me up in the morning?
Those kinds of things. And we all know family and stuff. That's, that's always going to be there. But like career-wise, you know, what kind of impact can I have where it just fuels me? And I feel like I found it. So life is great. It's busy, but I'm enjoying every part of this journey. I would not change it for anything. Yeah, I know.
I mean, I remember the times with everything that was going on from your prior engagements and stuff like that. And you know, how long we've known each other. I mean, it's been a while since all the Demand Force days. I'll never forget. Yeah. It's gotta be close to 14, 15, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I mean, I, I, I had the— Todd Westerland is the OG.
I think he's up to 20 years that we go back from the original Demand Force, the original team, and then getting know you guys and being part of the build a little bit there. You, Tolkien, Westerlund, you know, all you became such dear friends of mine. And, and, you know, even Maurice Stern, um, uh, I haven't heard that name in a long time.
Yeah, he'll chime in on some Led Zeppelin stuff when I start talking about that because he's a big Zep fan, you know. And, uh, so we get talking about that. But, um, it seems like everybody went through some gyrations after that big split, or, you know, the buyout. The— what was it, the, the 425 Group or something like that. Yeah. We had gotten acquired.
Demandforce had gotten acquired, uh, I wanna say it was like '13 or '14, but yeah. Um, Intuit acquired Demandforce and people kind of, some people stayed, some people went their separate ways. I saw Todd was gone at Kukui and, um, him and I were talking and ultimately decided to follow his path. He's always been somebody I admired greatly and, and respected a lot.
Um, so I trusted that part of the journey and I spent almost 6 years at Kukui. You did. Yeah, it was a lot of you. Uh, Mike, Mike is still there along with Connor and, um, a few others, I think. But yeah, that was a bit— it was a big, um, a big jump for everybody. But you guys all— I mean, especially you, you, you had that— well, you had that drive to make sure that you— yeah, pun intended, absolutely.
You know, to, uh, to keep going. And now that you got OverDrive and, and you're really rocking and rolling, what do you— is OverDrive— how are you making a difference not just for shop owners but Really, you know, you've taken a passion and you've, you've made it yours, and now it's your team, your baby, you're rolling with it. How do you feel about everything that you're doing with that?
I'm feeling really good, really positive, and it's only going to get better as we start to really look at what shop owners need and help them fill those needs. Um, you know, from obviously from a, from a, uh, from a development perspective, build something great for them so that they could help, help them reach their goals. So what is OverDrive? So, you know, about 3 and a 5 years ago, as I mentioned a minute ago, I had to do some self-reflection.
I'm like, after the Kukui days, I really didn't— I spent time in a couple different companies and I didn't feel like I sort of found my place. I worked at great companies, but it just, it wasn't filling me intrinsically. So, I paused, I took a step back, I kind of reassessed my life and without getting super deep, ultimately, I just decided after watching the Steve Jobs commencement speech in Stanford, if your audience hasn't listened to that, please listen.
It's a 13-minute video, but it's life-changing. At least it was for me. But, you know, he goes on about all these really great things and gives great advice. But one of the things that he said, it really resonated with me as I entered the shift into starting my own thing. He says when he was 17, he read a quote that said, "If you live each day as if it were your last, someday you're most certainly going to be right."
And he said after he read that quote, he said for 33 years, he looked himself in the mirror every day and he said, "If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I'm about to do today?" And when the the answer has been no for too many days in a row, you know, you need to change something.
That was eye-opening for me because I got to a point where I did not want to waste my days. So I kind of pivoted. I said, you know, Mike, what's your interest? What do you love doing? And, you know, all these different things. I'm like, I love this industry. This is where my heart's at. I mean, 15 years in this industry, like, this is what I love.
I love marketing and I'm really good at it. So a combination of those two, I said, well, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and resign from my former company, which I did it gracefully. I, I put in my resignation and the next day after they accepted my resignation, I was on the phone calling my network. The intent back then, Greg, was I'm gonna manage marketing for 2 or 3 shops, right?
That's what I'm gonna do. But here's what's interesting. It quickly snowballed. And I say quickly because I had my first client in 2 days, my second client 3 days after that. And I'm like thinking to myself, maybe this, there's such a bigger need than what I anticipated. And then Overdrive had evolved since then. 3.5 years in business, we have 11 employees, team members, part of our team, part of our growth.
And I'm very proud of what we've been able to build. Fast forward, I don't know, 2.5 years after I started Overdrive, I started jumping on this AI train. About a year ago, we started development on our, on our new software. It's a marketing operating system. So if you take what traditional marketing directors do on a day-to-day basis, from pulling census data, identifying demographics, understanding their total addressable market within each shop.
So an opportunity's ahead. What types of strategies should we build based on the demographics, right? Execution, right? Let's, let's launch the most successful campaigns. It's going to help shops get the most traction in terms of MQLs, marketing qualified leads, and fill their calendar up. And then The work's not done because we've got to keep a pulse on all this stuff. We got to like monitor all these lead sources, everything that we're doing.
How's it doing? Is it underperforming? Is it overperforming? Are we on pace to hit our goals? This is a human tied to this. So about a year ago, what I've done is I've shifted it in a way where about 95% of what a traditional marketing director does, we've, we've developed an operating system to do that. Predictive analytics, being able to say I'm forecasted to hit $180,000 $180,000 this month, but you know what?
My goal was $200,000, so I'm going to be $20,000 shy. They don't have to log in. We send our clients push notifications saying, hey, Joe, based on where we're at, you're only expected to hit $180,000. Your goal's $200,000. We can do X, Y, or Z. And because we utilize artificial intelligence, it's going to recommend the most optimal campaign to help that client bounce back and get back on track.
Wow. So very, very excited about how far we've come as, as, as a company. There's still a lot more work to do, but I'm very proud of our success, man. I would be too. That's fantastic news, dude. I mean, seriously, if you can predict, if you can help, um, resolve an issue of, say, $20,000 or whatever by just simply knowing and, and hitting that target, my goodness, man, that, that's like crazy good.
How did you, how long did it come up, did it take you to actually formulate that and, and then have, uh, AI kind of constructed, like, because it's based on AI will use your experience, of course, but you know, you gotta do really good prompts to make that thing sing. Yeah. So, um, like I said, about a year ago, we started getting curious about it.
I wasn't prematurely create a product and just launch it. Right. I wanted to make sure number one, most important over anything is, um, shops need it. They could use it and it's going to help them. That was the number one thing. And you know me many years, I've been personally have visited over 2,000 shops between the US and Canada. I've actually been in those environments many, many times and talked to shop owners.
You know, how do you like using this? What type of strategy? How do you handle this situation? Right? So about a year ago, I started getting curious about it. Maybe about 2 months later, I started talking to my development team and saying, here's my vision. Here's what I want to do based on talking to shops and seeing what they need. And then we started development on it.
And then probably about 4 months ago, we launched our, our minimum viable product and we took it to market, but we were only a selective group a group of clients that we use, and we use all of our OverDrive clients who operate off TechMetric and said, hey, you know, here's what we've got. You want to use it? Many of them raised their hand and said, we need this.
So we kind of ran this test environment for about 3, a little over 3 months, I think. And then got a lot of positive feedback. There were some things that we had to go back to the drawing board, which is very, very typical in software. But ultimately we went to market. Right around the Tectonic conference. And, you know, it's, it's, we're just scratching the surface.
We've, we've got about 22 locations that are on it right now. But, uh, we're very proud of what we're able to, not only what we've built, but we're able to help shops. Man, that's great. I didn't know you launched it. I mean, you and I were talking and you were like, Greg, I gotta show you this. I gotta show you this. And I don't think we ever got around to talking about your seeing your demo.
Cause we were just out reminiscing about— That was so much fun that night. Yeah. And we got into a little bit of life talk, which was real healthy. That was, that was real healthy. Healthy. Because, you know, I mean, everything that we do focuses on, you know, value and quality. And of course, we have our legacy to worry about, and according, you know, our kids and grandkids and stuff like that.
So whenever we get together, we have such great wholesome conversations. It's, it's something that is a shame we're not like closer physically together. Or maybe it's better we are separate because we— and, you know, Greg, I always enjoy it too because You know, I mean, look, I, I love talking to people. You see me, I mean, you came even my breakout, right?
Like, this is my passion. I like to teach. I like to show shops what I've learned over the years. But I think with you, it's like, it's cool because we get to separate kind of the business part for a little bit. Yeah. Focus on, and by the way, I just, I don't know if I told you, I just got back from a nice date weekend with my wife.
And a lot of that was triggered based on our conversation. Yeah. Just talking about like the importance of, you know, taking advantage of your days and just making sure that, you know, the people that you care about while they're still here, because we've experienced loss. Yes, we have. You know, while they're still here. And it inspired me to take my wife out down to Southern California over the weekend.
And I did that. That's why you look so good, man. Thank you. You got the tan going. You're all smiling. You got the nice white tees. Dude, you're GQ, man. You know, I'm here in this wintertime, smoke out here in Delaware. I'm white as a ghost. I'm wearing a white shirt. So, white people don't want me. Hey, come out to the left coast, man.
Come out to the left coast anytime, man. I will, but hey, you know, that brings a good point because, you know, a lot of people are afraid of AI, and yet we just gave two examples of why it probably is important that we integrate portions of AI. One, because it's making our job easier, it's more exact, we're getting— we're executing better. And what does that do?
That gives us time to go to the beach, to take our wife out and take our kids out and do it right. So do you experience that with people coming in and go, oh, Mike, man, I'm afraid of AI, I You know, I don't know about this, Mike. I do a lot. And I, and I think back to really this, um, this period that I've had over 15 years in the industry.
15 years ago, Greg, when you and I met, I was teaching social media to shops. You'd have to convince a shop owner back then to open up a Facebook page because their response would be, well, you know, my grandkids are on Facebook. We don't want to deal with it. But now those same, that same group, you can't pry them off of it, right?
Because they understand at the time when it was introduced to the world, it was like, this is new. It's a little intimidating. This is out of my comfort zone. But once they used it and they were starting to have a basic understanding of it, they don't have to be experts at it. Just a basic understanding. Then they embrace it. Same thing with SEO, Google Ads.
Think about how we've evolved, evolved as from a marketing perspective, not only in life, but a marketing perspective. How many tools that we have, right? I mean, I remember, you know, email addresses, you know, I used to joke and say like people would rather give up their credit card and social security number than give up an email address. Exactly. Because it was like a big thing, right?
So we've come so far. Now AI, I think what Sam Altman, if I'm not mistaken, I wanna say it was November of 2023, he announced OpenAI. Mm-hmm. GPT was one of the first ones. And then obviously now you got Groq, Claude, you know, perplexity, like all these different platforms. So now what I'm seeing today, Greg, is people are more curious. They are embracing it a lot faster than what they've done historically with social media and different things like that.
It is an extremely useful tool. I feel like as service providers, we are underutilizing it. I feel like there's so much more to go. I've got 9 certifications on marketing and AI, and I'm in a building, it's called Plug and Play here in Silicon Valley. And Plug and Play is a, it's an accelerator program, but also they offer office space. This is the global headquarters right here in the Silicon Valley.
100 start— I'm surrounded by 200+ startups in my building. And I'm not kidding, Greg, we've got robotics. There's a company right over here outside of this conference room named Shield that has AI detecting diseases in operating rooms. And they have a cool demo on that. On that. So, so there's so many things that we can do with AI. Here's my, here's my opinion.
Number one, we have a long, a lot of things to learn about this. We're still learning this, right? And we haven't even got into real deep challenges yet. So I think we're gonna learn a lot through this process. Number two, there, there is always going to be a, some type of QC or human element tied to what we do. That's why, like how I, you know, we focus on the traditional marketing director or fractional marketing.
That's not gonna go anywhere. We still want to interact with humans. Humans— AI is not able to do a podcast like this, right? Mike Dela Cruz and Greg Buckley are here, right? So that's something AI is not going to be able to replace. So our model is not going to go anywhere at OverDrive. And frankly, any AI is always going to be a human behind it providing some type of QC.
But again, I think we have a long way to go. Well, I tell you, you know, I think you're right. I think that there's still a little fear in the marketplace regarding— and I don't think it's very much from owners as I do it's from staff members. Who, I mean, even the resistance that I get introducing new administration processes that can be handled by AI or customer relation situations, it's like, well, when are you getting rid of me?
And I said, that's not the case. I said, never. I mean, it's to enhance your job. It's to make you more time available to build the relationship of you and the client instead of having worry about the minutia, you know, and all the other stuff. AI can handle that. Very, very well. And these are tools that we all have to get used to using.
I mean, that's what it's there for. So I, I can see— I mean, I feel it from that end. A lot of owners I talk to really aren't super afraid of it. They get the thing, well, uh, you know, I never want to lose my personality and stuff like that. But yet it's proven time and time again that, you know, even your calls, uh, they don't want to be— call waiting is out, where let me talk to an AI assistant and, and let me make the schedule and let me complete everything.
So even older people are gaining confidence and they prefer that if I have to deal with an agent, if it's an agent built well and it can understand me and produce the results that I need, like an after-hours appointment or anything of that nature or a question, they're fine with it. It would, it would be a better, a better use of time, I suppose.
I look forward to all of this stuff that, you know, AI is going to be able to do for us. You're at, gosh, 200 startups around you. Are you kidding me? I mean, the influence and the, just the curiosity and, and what I wanna say is like the peekaboo effect. What are you doing today? Door number 2, what are you doing today?
Yeah, it throws me a curveball anytime I see a robot go by my cubicle. So yeah. Yeah, it's, it's pretty wild. I was just talking with, uh, Andy Bizub and, um, you know, down in Texas and he's going, hey, I'm trying to get a, a, uh, a tour of the Gigafactory where they're making the robots at. And he says, I really see a robot assistant for technicians.
They can lift a car up, they can do this, they can do that while the technician just focuses on making a repair or, you know, doing that, like getting their toolbox and doing all this stuff. And I go, if you get an appointment, will you tell me? I'll fly down and go with you. Can you get me a seat on that bus?
Will you, Andy? But it's, I think it's gonna be amazing. What we're able to do with AI. If you are a good, like you said, you're a service provider of solutions and those solutions include not only the traditional, but the, you know, the advanced and the technology side of things. And you cover, OverDrive covers, you know, when you say it's a, you're a marketing, I want to say, what did you call it?
Not a marketing agent, but a marketing manager or manager. Yeah. And you review the processes, you review what's been going on, and then you make corrections based on results or by what you see in the database of that shop? Yeah. I mean, it's, and that's a good question, Greg. I mean, you know, we all know that there's no one size fits all with this stuff.
And that's why when I look at forums and stuff, they're like, use XYZ, use 123 company. I'm like, you know, my biggest takeaway out of personally walking into over 2,000 shops is that every shop has its own uniqueness. Every shop is different. Every shop has a different goal. They have a different total addressable market. There's, it's just different. So first and foremost, we have to understand what's in front.
So when a client comes on board with our program, and this is just the Fractional Marketing side, the first thing that we have to do is learn about them. So we do an onboarding call. We learn about their goals, learn about what they're doing for marketing historically, what they've done for marketing, learn about the operational stuff, because a big thing that's often underutilized is the support on the counter because sales and marketing go hand in hand.
As a marketer, my primary responsibility is to drive quality leads to your shop and fill your appointment, your calendar up with appointments. But I'm not the one picking up the phone. So I make it crystal clear that there is an expectation that we have for advisors to identify opportunities and convert them into visits. Otherwise, you're wasting your money with us because I could drive you 1,000 quality leads every month.
If you're broken at the counter, it's not going to work and it's not going to work because, number one, you don't only miss one opportunity. There's what's called LTV, lifetime value. If you miss one opportunity, that equates to tens of thousands of dollars in added revenue. In addition to that, here's what's really interesting. And I actually mentioned this in my, uh, Tectonic class.
71% of people say they will not return back to a business if they were dissatisfied with their first experience. That means you only have a 29% chance of getting them back into your shop. Right? So we cannot miss the mark that on that first at-bat, we've gotta swing for the fences. Because otherwise our chances of recapturing them, it's gonna be slim. So that's kind of the first thing.
Then we get access to the reports. I like to pull historical data because I look at seasonality. This same time last year, what did we do? Trending data. So over 6 months, but also be prepared for those unexpected dips in car count. We have clients along, not far from where you're at, Baltimore, DC, the doge thing was introduced and all of a sudden it's like phones are not ringing.
I'm like, what is going on? So you have to be prepared for that. You know, instead of going from like a work from home hybrid model, now people are required to go back to the office. 75% of people along that Baltimore, DC area are government employees, right? So they were of course affected by doge tariffs. So in other words, prepare your marketing, plan it out, out based on historical data and trends, but also be ready for any unexpected dips in car count.
And always, always, always keep a pulse on your performance. You cannot let it fall by the wayside. And that's why shops hire us, because, you know, they have a great strategy, they launch their strategy, but then Monday morning comes, the phone rings, and then they're on the phone, and then Monday turns into Tuesday, Tuesday turns into next week, next week turns into next month, and all of a sudden they're What's going on?
What happened with the strategy? Right? They're pulled in all these different directions. Whereas this is us, our specialty. That's why we don't take on a lot of clients, Greg. I did that for two reasons. Number one, we are not physically in the shop. So we have very, very big shoes to fill, very big shoes to fill. We want our clients to feel like we're within arm's distance.
So we reply in record time. Our response time is extremely fast, as if you tapped us on the shoulder and said, hey, the phone's not ringing, or hey, we need to post something. Something. So number one, we have big shoes to fill, so we're not going to take on a lot of clients. Number two is I want happy employees. I want a happy and healthy environment for my team.
It is our responsibility as the owners of the company to make sure that we've built an environment internally where people love coming to work. People know that they have a purpose. People get text messages from their clients saying, hey, I was once at this and now I'm at this and we credit you. Kind of that intrinsic reward that fills— I want a happy team.
That's great. Well, I wouldn't expect anything less from you, you know, so because you, you've, uh, you've experienced all of that your own self in your own employment and stuff like that. So for you to come out with a statement like that just shows what kind of a, you know, CEO that you actually are and, and the kind of company that you're running.
I can attest to the fact that it's really important to have your staffing understand what you're doing from a, from a shop owner's perspective, and then hiring someone like yourself to make the phone ring and the phone does ring, but yet you don't close. And, you know, that is a result of poor phone skills. You know, getting them over the curb is absolutely critical.
And unfortunately, I really screwed up a few years ago with taking on a company that was doing what it could, but I didn't realize how poor my phone skills, that my team was failing on the phone skills. And, you know, it was just not a good situation. So I wasted a lot of money. I really did. You know, when I really went back and reviewed the results, if there was one error that I made critically, and I can only blame myself because I wasn't really paying attention, but we were bringing— we weren't bringing people in, not because of the service didn't work right.
More or less, it was us not answering the phone and closing that deal and that first impression and all that. So it's a lesson learned and we've turned the corner on that, of course. But, you know, you got to be prepared for, you know, the shop owner's got to be prepared and the team. Absolutely has to be prepared. Do you help coach those type of scenarios to bring the staff up to say, hey, listen, we're gonna bring the, we're gonna make the phone ring.
How are you prepared to answer that? What are your skill sets? Do you have scripts? Do you have anything like that to offer a shop? 100%, we do. Yeah. We wanna be able to provide our clients with all the tools and resources to make the program successful. Because at the end of the day, in 3 months, 6 months down the road, we want We want our clients to look back and go, this was the best decision I could have made for our business.
Trust is something we have to earn every single day. And we understand that. We understand we have a very deep responsibility, not only to our client, but to their team, right? Technicians, we gotta keep them busy, right? Um, the community, we gotta make a splash in the community and have a positive impact on their community. So scripts, absolutely. Coaching, yes, to some degree.
Now, I wouldn't consider myself, I guess technically I'd be like a marketing coach, right? But there's no bona fide like programs that we have where certainly not trying to replace a lot of those great coaching programs that are out there today. But I think that from a coaching perspective, you know, Greg, it's important that we, because we have a responsibility to help them reach their goal, we have to coach the front counter on identifying opportunities.
I'll give you an example. You get pushback on, for example, you talk to an advisor, most advisors say, well, all I get is price shoppers. And then you start to listen to calls and then you listen to calls and you're like, okay, these are price shoppers. And then immediately, most, more often than not, there's sort of this defensive barrier that happens with the advisor, meaning they know that they're not going to diagnose or quote a price over the phone, but immediately they shut it down, Greg.
They say, well, we're not supposed to quote pricing over the phone, or I'm not going to diagnose. You got to come in so we could diagnose. It's almost confrontational. And it's like, why be confrontational with the client? Let's take a step back and be a consultant, right? So you shift it from that defensive barrier to empathy. Oh my goodness. I'm sorry, your car's making that noise.
Tell me a little bit more about that. Now, when you, when you ask an open-ended question like that to a price shopper, first of all, think of, put yourself in their shoes. They're calling because they have a problem. They don't know how to fix it and they know it's gonna be really expensive. So calling you, there's already a form of anxiety. Anxiety.
So when they're trying to get a, have you quote a price and you put that, put up this defensive barrier, then there's just too much friction over that, right? So you start with empathy. Sorry, you're in that situation. Tell me a little bit more about that. The perception is, oh my goodness, this guy or gal is trying to help me here. Well, you know, I was driving down the 101 and it was pulling to the left.
It was making this weird noise. My goodness. Well, I'm glad you're safe first and foremost. Was it making an X sound or was it making a Y sound? No, it wasn't really doing this, but it was doing this. So you approach in a very consultative way and then you close that with, well, you know what, Joe, that sounds like it could potentially be a deeper issue and I don't feel comfortable diagnosing that over the phone.
The good news is we have an opening tomorrow at 10 o'clock and another one at 1 o'clock and we offer pickup and drop-off. Do any of those slots work well for you so that we can diagnose that vehicle properly? There you go. If there's those two different scenarios, you almost double the conversion rate when you, when you come across a consultant. So those are just, that's an example of how we coach the front counter because our job is monumentally, I mean, maybe not in whole, but in large part of what the counter does.
Because you said yourself, you experienced it. You thought it was a service advisor, or I'm sorry, a service provider issue, but it ended up being a service counter issue. Issue. And that's more common than what you think. So I think being transparent, being upfront from the very beginning, setting the right expectation in our role, it sets us up for a very successful relationship.
That's, that's great to know. I mean, it's a lot of work getting a counter to function in rhythm with the, the marketing campaign to begin with, to understand it, to have that habit of saying yes, we're providing that solution to that person who is broken down and they're looking for relief because that's what they are actually looking for. Time might be the third thing on their list, you know, price being the last thing on their list.
But the goal that what they want to do is, hey, I need help, can you help me? Yes, let's get it done. You know, the question is, where do you feel your focus is more towards acquisition or retention, or do you, do you balance it out based upon the results of one or the other? Yeah, good, good. Another good question, Greg. So yeah, it's always going to be balanced out.
Now, as a marketer, we always like to look at a 75/25 shift, meaning if you pull your data every month and you look at your total number of customers that came in, total number of customers, 75% of them should have been in there at least one time before, right? So two times or more. And then 25 is a good ratio to tell us that internet marketing's We're getting enough leads.
The biggest problem that we face in our industry is a lack of consistency, right? One minute our bays are full, next minute they're slow. The most successful shops that I have seen, they've not only been busy year round, but they've had more of like an 80/20 or even at times a 90/10, because what they've done is they've created the Starbucks environment. And I don't know if you've ever heard, and maybe in one of my classes or something like that, but maybe for your audience that haven't heard it.
Back in 2007, I was going to open up a coffee shop. It was going to be called Hollywood Bean. It was going to be old school Hollywood Rat Pack, Marilyn Monroe, right? Like checkered floors, jukeboxes, just kind of old school. Well, I would sit at Starbucks pretty much daily. I would count customers. I would look at their average ticket prices. You know, Starbucks at the time, it was 2007, Jim Donald was the CEO.
And he kind of took the baton from Howard Schultz for a little while. And Jim Donald was responsible for growing Starbucks from 5,000 stores to 30,000 stores worldwide. And he did it in record time. So I wanted to know, why would people spend $3, $4, $5 on a premium cup of coffee? And then there'd be a gourmet coffee cart or just a small mom-and-pop shop selling coffee across the street for $0.99.
Not a single person was in that line. There was a lot of variables around it, but the one that resonated with me the most, Greg, was they had this process of learning your customer. It was even in the employee handbook. I think it was called forming a complete customer connection, I believe, and where you'd walk in and you'd say, I'm Greg and I want the triple grande nonfat white mocha.
9 times out of 10, if you went to that same Starbucks, they would not only remember your name, but your drink of choice. They'd say, Greg, you gonna have that triple grande nonfat white mocha? What would happen? We were instantly connected. You were not known as number 27, your order's ready. You were known as Greg, the guy that drinks a triple grande, right?
So they created this environment where it's predictably okay. I know this barista. They know me. They're calling me by name as if they're my friend. I want to be here. And that's why they were so successful. Why should we be any different in our industry? We shouldn't. Why should we not call our customers by first name? Learn 3 things. And I challenge you guys, learn 3 things about every single new customer.
And I'm not talking about just the city that they're in. I'm talking about, do they have a family? Do you have kids? Do they have a hobby? Do they go to church? What do they do? Learn 3 things about them so that when they come in, you could use that as conversational talking points. Yeah. Very, very important. Why are we not forward scheduling like a dental office?
Right? Like what, you know, That is so important. And yet I'll tell you that I can tell you that we're fairly successful in getting to write notes down about the client, you know, and I always said, because for myself, the way that I grew up in the industry and I go back to my service station days when I was at the island and I would meet and greet you and I would know everything about your car and then yourself and then your kids and then all of that.
And we would have that kind of relationship. Like you said, I would remember you if you needed a white chocolate mocha, whatever, whatever cup of coffee you would want. And today, CRMs and our, excuse me, our SMSs, they all carry note fields. And that note field is a great resource because we can put these little notes in so that the next time they come in, they can say, you, hey, listen, how was the wedding?
How was your daughter's wedding? Or how was the baptism? Or how was this? You know, just a life event that takes them out of the work or the fear of the car repair at that date or that time and bring them down to the personality and the relationship. And that is so critical. You know, we, we tend to forget how important those little things are.
I know that we have a hesitation in going out to the car and walking around. Some people, I mean, their buildings just aren't configured to do that. And we have to have some kind of mechanism to make that relationship grow. You know, so very good points, man. I mean, it's, it's really exceptional. The relationship is critical. And you know why that's important, Greg, is think about it like this.
As a consumer, we have the luxury of having endless options, right? So if we wanted to look at the nearest Mexican restaurant or sushi restaurant, what do we do? We go to Google or ChatGPT, whatever. And we say, what's the top rated Mexican restaurant near me? It's going to give us options. And if we're not satisfied with those options, what do we do?
More places, please. Or we just click the more businesses button and it collapses a dozen other options. People do that with auto repair shops, right? But on the flip side, as a shop owner, as an operator, we don't have that same luxury. Every lead, every quality lead that comes into our shop, every client that comes to our shop, we have one opportunity to let them know why we're different, why this is gonna be a white glove experience.
We care about customer experience, right? Because they have options. They can go to XYZ Auto Repair down the street, right? But we've gotta give them every reason to come back to us when they're due for their next service and not our competitors. Did we really earn that or did we miss the mark? We've gotta ask ourself that. Yeah, that's true. I mean, everything counts when it comes to a first-time customer.
There's no question. So what else What else besides business does Mike Dela Cruz get into? Oh, well, Monday night's date night with my wife. I gotta do that every Monday. You know where I learned that from, Greg, is, uh, Marc Randolph, the founder of Netflix or the co-founder of Netflix. I listened to an interview one time, a long time ago actually, and for 30 years he said, set in stone, and his was on a Tuesday at 5:30, 5:30 on a Tuesday, set in stone date night with my wife.
And if somebody was gonna, he's like, I'm sticking to it. I'm— if somebody wanted to meet with me, they better meet with me on the way to the parking lot because I'm going, right? So, so I really mirrored that. Now, granted, there's probably like 2 to 3 different Mondays a year. So I do pretty good where I'm like, if I'm traveling to the East Coast, I have to be there on a Tuesday.
Obviously you lose the 3 hours. So honey, I got to travel on a Monday. I'll try to get a red-eye, but sometimes red-eyes aren't available, but I really try hard to stick to it. And it's just one-on-one time that gives me balance in the morning. The minute I opened my eyes, I used to do this where I grab my phone, I check my email, what's going on?
What did I miss? Check my voicemail. Those days are over. I'm giving myself 10 to 15 minutes by myself. I wake up before my wife. So it's quiet in my house. I open my eyes and I just look at my ceiling or I look out the window. I lay in bed. I do not rush. I think adopting that in my mornings and making it a routine has given me a sense of calmness and a sense of peace.
It may not sound like that because I'm always animated, but it— because truthfully, Greg, I love life. I love what I do. And it's given me that sense of peace. I think it's perfect. Outside of that, you know me. I mean, I'm an MMA guy. Yeah, you are an MMA guy, right? And a Raiders fan. Believe it, at this ripe— and I'll tell your audience members here, but at this ripe old age of 45, I know I'm going to get crapped on by it, but you know what?
All respect to you all, but 45, I realize I'm young, but I'm at that point where things are starting to hurt a little bit. Yeah. It's not easy. Right. Especially these young bucks I train with at the gym, these future UFC guys. I'm like, after 2 minutes, I'm like winded. Yeah. So that keeps me balanced. I love martial arts. I've been doing, you know, jiu-jitsu for 13 years.
I've been doing Muay Thai and sparring for 6 years. It's really created You know, obviously self-defense, right? But also self-confidence. I don't get pissed off in traffic and stuff anymore. I just, you know, go about my day. People get upset, they'll throw the finger and things like that. For me, I'm like, let you look, I'm just gonna ignore and just go on my way.
You have in the back of your mind, you have that confidence. What's that? This is all on the 101, right? Yeah. All on the 101. You know about the 101. Well, you know, as soon as you said that, I kept, I go right back to the SNL skit of the Californians. You know, that's all they talk about. About. Well, you go on the 101, man, you know?
Yeah. Oh, that one, that, hey, that 101 could be brutal, man. Oh, I hear you. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I don't have to prove anything. It gives you that confidence to know, like, you know, look, if hopefully nothing ever comes to blows, but man, I mean, it, you could protect yourself, you protect your family. And I do everything I can to avoid all of it.
Again, it's just given me that good balance. Um, and I train probably 2 to 3 days a week depending on my travel schedule, but I, I do it cuz I love it. I'm not gonna, be in the UFC at all. But, uh, if I can help somebody and just fulfill my interest, then that's what I do. Um, it keeps you healthy and gives you a little bit of a break.
You know, I've got a local, a local friend here, a good friend of mine. He's actually a— he, he was an international, uh, boxer, champion boxer, Dave Tiberi. And he opened up his boxing club right down the street. And he goes, come on, it's Tuesday morning at 6:30 AM. And he's got a bunch of executives from around Delaware here to come in.
And, you know, he goes, come on down, come on down, man. We gotta, you know, I gotta get you suited up and get, you know, we'll, we'll start sparring and stuff like that. And I'm going, you know, I'm really curious enough about it, you know, to see if I can do it right and get involved. And he says, man, we're really changing people's lives.
The executives like it for the same reason that you're doing it, because it's a relief. You're keeping physically fit, and you have all of those endorphins coming in, and you feel relaxed, and you can take your you can not only challenge your day, you can win the day, right? Just by being calm and stuff like that. So physical activity is really important.
I, I do my best to do what I can with, uh, with the body type that I have and everything else that goes with it. I see you going on your walks, Craig. Oh yeah, that's my walk. It's like total therapy, man. I mean, it really is, you know. I mean, you motivate me. I mean, I see your walks and stuff in the morning, and walks— I mean, you don't have to— the cool thing about exercise and things like that, you don't have to have these high endurance workouts.
Simple walks and things like that are enough. I mean, you know, another inspiration is a guy, you know, Keith Katz. I mean, okay, yeah, yeah. On the weekend he does the— I think it's called Iron or Mountain Man or something like that with his group, and he's like pushing tires up and stuff. And I'm like, dude, good for you. So he inspires me.
Yeah, him and Jody were at Hershey with his newest Advisor to Rockstar Julie, I think, or something. I think I can't remember her name. Anyway, we caught up and had been a while since him and I actually shared some conversations because he'll call me up or text me and, you know, bust my stones a little bit here and there. And, you know, his sweetheart, wife Jodi.
Sounds like Keith, all right. Yeah. I love that guy to death, man. Yeah. You work with him a little bit, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's been part of our program for, I think, a couple of years. Now. And, uh, been out to his shop. I've personally gone out there. Beautiful, beautiful shop. I don't know if you've ever been to York, PA, but it's a, it's a close-knit community.
And what I, what I really like is his, his garden. I mean, he has a beautiful lawn and garden and it's just such a pretty shop. So, but yeah, Keith has been working with us for a couple years and I just, he's somebody who I've always admired. And then when he stepped up and started doing this, uh, I think it's called Ironman or Mountain Man, something like that on a weekend.
I mean, like it's got a spiritual bed to it. I mean, yeah, yeah. And he's really into it. He's really taken to it. He's— is now the— I think he's the leader, if I'm not mistaken. He's been, you know, positioned upward for all of that. So he's a, he's a really good, wholesome man. He really is. And you got, you got some other, uh, people that you work around.
I know Doug Grylls, and down there in Maryland there, Um, yeah, clients of yours. Doug, same thing. I've, I've watched him for 10+ years, admired him, and then David as well. And, you know, they came on board with our program actually early and, you know, they started out, uh, with us at 9 shops. They're up to 11 and they'll be probably 14, 12 here soon, up to 14 within the next maybe year, 2 years, 3 years or so like that.
But it's been cool to be part of their growth. Starting off with 9, now that they're 11, they're at 11 and, you know, they'll be at 12 here soon and eventually up to 14. So yeah, they work— Do you take territories or, or, or do you restrict yourself from operating like from one to the other or certain zones and stuff like that?
Okay. All right. You talking about with multiple locations? Um, no, but listen— A single client with multiple locations or just, uh, yeah. Or someone in the same area within like, you know, like say 10 miles from one another, like a, you know, they're not competitors. I don't really think there's competitors in it. In the marketplace myself, but, um, let's say you got a shop owner who's 5 miles away or 10 miles away or stuff like that.
Do you restrict yourself to that or is this more like, well, let me customize your solution, Shop X, and then I can take this person over here, Shop Y, that might be 5 miles away and stuff like that and you'll work with them as well? Yeah. So, so I do. So a couple of things on that point, and that's actually a really good topic.
Topic. As marketing directors, our goal is to maximize their performance, right? Utilize our resources, maximize their performance, help them fulfill their goal. So there's no particular radius because it's always going to depend on the market, right? So rural areas, I mean, we can go out 20, 30 miles or more sometimes, right? But usually the metropolitan areas, it could be a couple. Now there's a very deep analysis that goes into our strategy.
And if we feel that it could kind of interfere, then we won't, we won't take on. Believe it or not, Greg, I mean, I I have dear friends in this industry where I've been flattered and said, you know, we're working with Joe's Garage or XYZ Auto Repair. They have a location right next to you. I think morally the right thing to do is just stick to your loyalty.
And we've had to pass up 7, 8 locations, but I'm able to sleep at night knowing that somebody that's trusting me with their marketing, I owe that to to them. I, you know, I, I wouldn't even get them involved. I just owe it to them. So yeah, there have been times where I've had to turn away and, but, but they are, it is well thought out.
It's not like a knee-jerk reaction. It's like, okay, is there gonna be overlap here? And then if I decide that, you know, it could take away, then I, then I, the right thing to do, I believe, is to, to say no. With auto, you mentioned Autostream, right? So their locations, there's some locations that are 2.5 miles away from each other. And you have to be very methodical when it comes to strategy.
That because you don't have, in the industry we call it cannibalization. You know, hey, you know, XYZ shop is taking some of our clients, right? We don't want that. So when I say methodical, we have to look at the radius and we have to look at direction. So if they're 2.5 miles away from that southeast corner, we focus for that shop in the southeast corner, we got to focus on this area.
And then the shop over here in that northwest and everything else, we got to focus on this area. And we have to look look at each of those individual carrier routes, not just the zip code, not just the neighborhood, the carrier routes. I mean, how many rooftops? What do these rooftops look like? What's the median household income? What's the median age? What's the net worth?
What's the percentage of household with children? All of that and say, okay, based on this strategy, both of these shops are going to maximize performance, hit their goals, and not overlap with one another. Another. So there are situations that we have to do that. Okay, that makes sense, you know. So let me get this straight. If you have— let's say that we take, um, you know, uh, Doug's 11 locations and 2 of them are only 2.5 miles apart.
Do you find that each location may have a different need and a different client base that you can actually target without cannibalizing from the location? Correct. Yeah. So, so, and I'll give you an example. So they've got a location, um, Pikesville, and it is primarily a Jewish community. And in that area, we're going to team up with synagogues and just different things like that, because again, we are a community business.
Then they have Randallstown, which is, say, 82.5% African American. So there's things, initiatives and marketing campaigns that we have to to participate, right? To show the community. You have to mirror your audience. And it's not a fact of saying, hey, let's go out there and try to be the most successful shop. Let's try to dominate and, you know, operate with bad morals or anything like that.
It's a matter of understanding your community. And that is the most important thing. Understanding your community. Who is in front of us? What type of service can we offer or do we offer that, you know, can, can be tailored around each individual community member. What types of things do we have to participate in? Juneteenth. This community is 90% veterans. Hey, we're going to participate in the Veterans Day parade, right?
Because as marketers, it'd be nice to do everything, but we've got a budget, right? We've got a budget to keep in play. So it's like, how can we maximize— not maximize, excuse me— how can we make the most out of our budget while getting out there and making a splash within the community and building a brand awareness? Awareness, doing good, doing things like autism 5K walks or Alzheimer's awareness, breast cancer awareness, Humane Society, mental health, those types of things where we're actually going out there.
But the first thing we have to do is understand who's in front of us. Wow. So you really have eliminated the shotgun. We tried extremely hard to do that. I'm telling you, it's all intentional, Greg. It has to be. Oh, without a doubt. But I, Mike, I gotta tell you, man, I've never heard of an approach from from many, many other people like the one that you're presenting, and it's very attractive.
Thank you. I really like how you have segmented because, you know, all of us like to participate in a community. That's, I mean, let's face it, small businesses, we live within our community, we support the community because they support us. And there are times when, yes, we are asked to do more for certain groups. We all get approached and, you know, can you help me with the baseball uniforms?
Can you help me with the, you know, the diaper drive? Or the give a car away or fix a car, whatever the case might be. And most of the time we're very willing to do that, but it's always the surprises that get me. Like, um, you know, hey, you get the knock on the door, I got this golf tournament coming up and, you know, I don't know you, you really don't know me, but it's a great event, can you help me out?
And of course you want to go, yeah, sure, no problem. But you know, you gotta, gotta like be prepared, or I should say you got to respect your budget and who you've already committed to and where the best value is. And of course it has to align with your heart too. You know, you can't just go, well, for the sake of marketing, I'm going to support you when you might be totally opposite of what I believe in, but it's just not my bag.
And so, but your approach is, I mean, to get to know the community like you are doing, That's exceptional, dude. That's exceptional. Thank you, man. Thank you. Part of the onboarding call I mentioned earlier, one of the questions is if there's any nonprofits or orgs that are near and dear to you. I ask every client that question. And the reason why is because we are going to have a community budget.
We have to, right? Whatever that number is, we got to allocate some resources to a community. And what happens, and I actually get chills talking about this. It's a little emotional too, because all of us are part of something, whether a parent has had Alzheimer's, a spouse has had cancer. St. Jude, we have clients, actually one of my clients at kind of the Mississippi Gulf Coast, daughter was at St.
Jude and he credits St. Jude for saving her life. I get emotional with that stuff. So I always ask that question because one, when we develop our strategy, we want to do something that's near and dear to them. Because what happens is when you build a strategy, it's one thing. But when you execute against that strategy and the event is done and they say, we're able to raise $150,000 from this 5K autism walk, and you're like, wow, it's emotional because that's a, that's a, that's a, um, a cause that's, that, that, that tugs at you.
Um, and I see it all the time and from schools and like I said, suicide prevention, different things. I get text messaged all the time from stuff like that from clients. And for me, Greg, that's stuff money can't buy, man. No, you can't. I mean, it, it is an intrinsic reward. And it, it's such a feel-good situation too. And, and like you said, you can't put a price on that kind of stuff.
And, you know, yeah, you say budget and, and all this other stuff and you, you, you gotta respect all of that. But gosh darn, it's so hard to say no sometimes, even though— That's why companies hire us. We're the ones that say no. But in all seriousness, we have to carefully, and I'm very transparent with, because like if you said yes to everything, you would be broke.
I mean, let's just face it, right? Yeah. Because there's so many people knocking down your door trying to pitch you something, right? So it has to be carefully calibrated. For example, community stuff. Recently, it was like a Music in the Park. Okay, well, tell me a little bit about sponsorship program. Okay, well, you know, you get a logo this big on a banner with 500 other companies and it's gonna cost you $2,000.
Yeah. I'm gonna say no to that all day long. Right. But it's like, if you say, hey, this is $750, the MC's gonna shout out Buckley's Auto Care, um, you know, 3 times, you're gonna be on the social media, then I'm like, that makes sense. Right? So it has to be carefully evaluated, carefully calibrated, carefully executed. So you save me money, right?
Yeah. I am, you know, I'm a sucker. I am. I tell you, you know, I get me to an auction like we went to, we had our Paul Kares and, you know, and I support Paul Kares very much down in Sussex County because I like it. It's music and culinary arts. So, you know, I get the video, I do the videos for this, for the, for the venues, and I get to see great bands do all this, meet great people and, you know, be part of this really dynamic nonprofit.
And that's just one of them, you know. We get to the auction at the last event, and, and some person I know goes, hey, do you want to go in on this, uh, boat ride? You buy, uh, you auction off— they're auctioning off a 4-hour dinner cruise on a boat, right? And she comes and she goes, well, we'll make it for— we'll top off at $4,500, and that's split between two.
I'm thinking $2,200. I'm going through the numbers in my head. I'm going, all right, all right. And then I go, well, wait Man, I just committed this much over here. So she comes up and the number gets up to 45. I go, she didn't win. And then she goes, no, well, we'll double it up if you want to pay this. And she, she raised her hand, yeah, I'm in.
I'm like, oh, I thought I escaped, you know, a $2,400, uh, uh, tab, but I didn't. But it's all good. I mean, 20 friends that, you know, clients that go out with us and all this stuff. It's not a losing proposition, but it's just how easy you can lose control of all of that budget by not having someone be the guardian of that stuff, you know?
Dude, I'm guilty of that too. If I told you how many trade shows I committed to and— Yeah, I'll see. You know, that's right. That's right. You know, it's hilarious how it's easy. It's so easy to give your money away. It really is. Because, you know, you're thinking, oh, I'll just make it up tomorrow. Or I got it. No problem. It's, I got this in the book and all this.
And then you forget, you know, You're like, wait a minute, you are so right. You're so right. You're so right. So, uh, overall though, man, you, you look great. You sound great. You're doing good. Uh, family's healthy. Um, your daughter was just doing something. What was she, she just got an award for something. Was your daughter? First and foremost, I, I have to shout out my oldest daughter, Michaela.
Today's her birthday. Yeah. She turned 18, so I have to give her some love and I'm gonna show her this recording when it's done. Okay. Um, today's her birthday. May the 4th be with you. Um, right, the whole play on that. But yeah, um, you know, she won. Um, so both my kids are at a really unique age, right? So one is graduating, uh, high school, on her way to college next year.
Um, and she's heavily into discus and shot put, which, um, I wasn't really big into track and field. I always pictured track as like running. Um, but I guess the field part is the shot put and the disc, right? She's doing really— she found her passion. She absolutely loves it. She was into volleyball, stuff like that. Now, the younger one is probably what you're talking about.
She got graduated from D.A.R.E., Drug Abuse Resistance Education. It's a program. Do they have that on the East Coast, by the way? Okay, so good. It's a national program. It's— I found it started in 1983 in Los Angeles. I just found that out. So, um, but it's a program that I graduated from and very, very proud. I don't know if you saw my post on social media, but I wore my D.A.R.E.
shirt. That's hard for me to ask about your water. I wore my DARE shirt, so I wanted to support her. But she graduated from DARE. She won a spelling bee. She won second place in a spelling bee. I was very proud of her. And she's doing the talent show. About 3 months ago, she asked me if she could do guitar lessons, and I said sure.
So we found this place, Guitar Center, not far. Every Friday, 2:30, I bring her in. Clark is her guitar coach, and he's very candid. Hey, she needs to work on this. She needs to do more practice. But she's going to be playing a song by Hans Williams and it's called Skin. And she's gonna play it May, I believe it's May 7th. So it's coming up here.
But yeah, I'm very, very proud of both of my girls. Very blessed man. Of course you are. You know that. And it's good for her. Now, I've never heard that song before. Is it something that, it's called Skin? It's called Skin by Hans Williams. I've never heard about it before either. Yeah, but it's, uh, it's a cool, she's not gonna sing along to it, but, Um, you know, she's gonna do the guitar and she's come a long way.
She's doing fantastic. That's great, man. Well, you got it going on, brother. You really do. Thank you, man. Thank you. I'm proud of you from knowing you, knowing you way back when to what you're getting into now. I mean, I always knew you had it in you. Thank you. Thank you. Means, means so much, man. And, and just, I really enjoy talking to you.
Like I said, I, it's never just business with us. It's never like, hey, how's business going? It's always like, you know, how's Patty? You know, like it's always those kinds of things. And then all of a sudden it evolves into more deeper discussions. And I just, I don't, it's never, it's not like that with everybody. So I just want to tell you, I appreciate that, Greg.
Well, thank you. I mean, that's, that's the thing I think we all need to learn and understand is that we're human first and everything else comes second, you know, and, And you and I, we, I, I tell you, man, that conversation we had at the Tectonic, it was just, it was perfect. It really was. I thoroughly enjoyed it. And not many times that you can get together and share, uh, thoughts and, uh, reflect on what our paths have been and why they have been and the blessings that we have had within our life that have, you know, whether they have been timely in the sense it's been good things that have happened, or even the
things that have been off-kilter a little bit, there's still lessons that we've learned from. And I always say to myself, hey, go back and reflect a little bit and you'll find out that, hey, everything's like a blessing. You know what I mean? The good and the bad and what you gotta go through. And we're fortunate because this industry has given us so many good things and we've met— how many great people do we meet on a daily basis as an industry?
Heartened, you know, with salt of the earth, you know, men and women who, um, we, we give it our all. And, you know, it's, uh, it's great to be part of it. And I think that, you know, guys like yourself— people like yourself, I should say— and people like, you know, just want to be able to give back. That's the exciting part.
All I, all I ask is to be a voice and to give a channel and hopefully have these conversations with Everybody, because it's not all about business, you know, it's about people getting to know you, getting to know how your family is, because everything else is related to, to that. So, but, and I, um, raise a good point, Greg, because I, um, I think about that a lot and I think about how much I feel I owe this industry because this industry has been so welcoming to me.
Opportunity to speak at events and different things like that. And like you said, like the people you meet along this journey, I'm very, very grateful for. Which is why I feel like, and stuff we haven't got into, but I'm on the board of ASC Educational Foundation. Great. Where we give scholarships to young technicians looking to get into our trade. I'm a Yang Mentor through the Auto Care Association.
Yeah. Great. Well, right. So I meet with my, my mentees every, every quarter. I was, I finished my term, but I was on the ASCCA Government Affairs Committee. I was a Chapter 42 representative here in San Jose, Silicon Valley. So it's these things that I do voluntarily that I feel like because the industry has been so good to me, what can I do to pass on to this next kind of generation or just what information that I learned along my journey that I want to be able to pass away.
When you came to my breakout in Tectonic, I mean, I always start off by saying how passionate I am and the fact that attendees are there, it allows me to fulfill my passion. So what I'm able to show them or teach them that the things that I've learned along way, it's inspiring to me because the fact that they're there is inspiring because I'm able to do what I love to do.
And like I said, I owe this industry a lot and God willing, I'm around for several more decades. I'm able to do it. I think you will be, not, not no question there. And I, and I will be joining you in some degree, I think come this October as I just taken on a position. I was invited and I took, I said yes to a position on the AutoCare board.
Board, or, uh, yeah, what is it? The, uh, yeah, the Auto Care Board, Auto Care Association. I got it right up there on the screen. So I took the call today and it's my first step back into getting back out and helping, doing what you just said, being part of things, best of my ability in the time that we have. But yeah, this industry has done well for, for me as well, of course.
And I love every bit of it. Love everybody there. So, you know, we'll see where we go, but, uh, hopefully we, we get things changed and we, um, we, we continue to meet good people every day. I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you this before we cut off here. I, I talked to Frank Lutz earlier today and earlier today I talked to Frank and it was so good.
It's always good to catch up with him. But of course I have to, I have to remind your audience, not remind them, I have to let the audience know. But there was a conference that we went to in Chicago and it was me, you, Frank Lutz, and then I thought there was one more person, but we ended up going, uh, it was, uh, Gary, uh, former owner of Airport Automotive, Colorado Springs, Gary Olson.
Oh yeah. Yeah. So the audience, listen, we ended up like diverting off this path into this brush. And then we walk out, mosquito bites filled our bodies. Do you remember that, Greg? I actually remember it because Gary and I took a different path and there was, it was a wolf sighting, a pack of, well, two wolves were sighted in the Minnesota park.
It was in Minnesota, in the park. And Gary and I are walking around and And we're lost. We actually got lost on that one. You brought that back. That's fantastic, man. Because we stumbled in, everybody looks at us, we're coming in, we've got mud on our shoes, we've got the mosquito bites, and everybody's eating breakfast. So we walk into the breakfast hallway there and it's like, where the hell have you guys been?
Well, we did get lost. We, I think we went around that lake about 3 times trying to find our way back to the hotel. No campus. We had no phones, the phones died, we had no, no way of getting anything. So we were just making sure that there was no wolf that was going to come out and grab us, man. I was glad I didn't get lost with you guys.
You and Frank were solid. You, I think you took the right path. I don't know why we didn't follow you, but who knows, man. Good times, man. Good times. Good times, brother. That's where it was. So hey, man, I thank you so much for hanging out with me today. Uh, you know, we'll We'll definitely have to keep doing this more and more, and I'll be having this on the radio and the podcast.
We'll get it up there. But Mike, I tell you, I'm not only glad to see what you're doing and your success, I'm just really damn straight proud of you, brother. I really am. You know, great stuff, great stuff. I am, I am absolutely intrigued and I'll probably be calling you.
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It actually said, "This email is automatically generated, and we do not monitor replies to it." Jimmy Lea: Oh my God. That's- Craig O'Neill: But it was a beautiful picture of balloons with the branding of that dealership on it. Oh, it was touching. It was such a great birthday blessing to receive that on Sunday afternoon. Jimmy Lea: Had it been from an actual person and not an automated system would've made it even better, but... Craig O'Neill: Sure. But does the birthday greeting from a business actually land on the memorable side of communication, or is it a cheap and simple automated gimmick to feign that you care with a direct interest that is more for the business's benefit rather than it is for my birthday, right? Craig O'Neill: Congratulations, you captured my birth date in a data field in a system that is automated to generate a joy, because I don't unsubscribe because I love these examples. It really was a gift for me that I get to use and communicate from. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. And that's good. That's good. Craig O'Neill: But no, this is a common thing, and we've we've seen this strategy. Craig O'Neill: You and I have been in the CRM space for a while, and you've seen that given as a best practice. We wanna capture the, birth date and month, not the year. Birth date and month. And then you can have these sort of birthday messages go out. All right, maybe you have that strategy applied in your shop. Craig O'Neill: Is that a wrongness? No. Maybe some people really appreciate it. I think a lot of people don't give it a second thought, and that's the majority. Jimmy Lea: They probably don't, but they also aren't sending it from an email that is not being monitored and not gonna reply. Craig O'Neill: Let's hope not. Yeah. ' Jimmy Lea: Cause if Jimmy's Super Shop were to send you a happy birthday message, it would purely be a happy birthday message. Jimmy Lea: There's no other ulterior motives whatsoever. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Jimmy- And you would reply and say, "Oh, thank you so much, Jimmy's Super Shop." We would reply again to say Craig O'Neill: I would hope so. Yeah. Now, my experience in birthdays are one thing, but all sorts of messages. I know when CRM automation occurs, and I'll touch on this at Mars a little bit further the team is not engaged in that part of the process, and it's difficult for them to engage in the inbound Present Jimmy Lea: conversation. Jimmy Lea: Yeah Craig O'Neill: Yep. There's a, a loss of continuity there. So I do feel a lot of times there's automated things going out from a shop, but there is actually no behavior that is being encouraged or directed or accountable any accountability layer for the team to be a participant in that. So it does play in that. Craig O'Neill: But this goes to number two which I think is at the root of the whole problem, and this is, again, another quote from the Dale Carnegie and Associates. First off, problem number two we're not cultivating a community, and this, this principle comes for me from my study in this book. And as I was reading that book, assessing how shops are leveraging CRMs, this stuck out. Craig O'Neill: And it says, and I quote, "Often forgotten is the long-term plan. Businesses call it a customer retention strategy, but it is best thought of as a lively, meaningful dialogue among a community of friends. If the foundation of all long-term success is the establishment of trust-based relationships, then the goal of all interactions should be to convey value as soon and as often as possible." Jimmy Lea: Not just birthdays. Craig O'Neill: Not just birthdays as a data field. What's meaningful for a client in a repair shop? What's meaningful to them in a repair shop? What is the purpose in our community, and how are you articulating the value of staying in touch so we can continue to express what this purpose is and how it benefits you? Craig O'Neill: And by the way, Mr. Client, it's very important, save this number in your phone so that you recognize that we're a contact 'cause you can reach out to us here, and we're gonna be here if you have any questions. And that's starting to get to the sense of community here. And Jimmy, this is getting more important. Craig O'Neill: In today's world, here's a tip for y'all right now. I want you to open up your phone, go to your text message app, look at the spam folder How many messages do you have in the spam folder of your messages app, whether you're using Android or Apple, does not matter. Automatically, messages are going straight to those folders with default settings from the phone's operating system and device. Craig O'Neill: There's a bunch in there, and a lot of it probably is spam, correct, Jimmy? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I'm pretty sure all of it's spam. Craig O'Neill: A lot of times it's very accurate in mine. I- I've only on occasion seen one or two messages in there. Here's how your shop is gonna land in the spam folder. If the client never accepts you as a contact and never engages in the dialogue with you in text. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: And so the manifestation of this, and I've started to see more of this recently, very recently, just this summer people sending a DVI link to their client, for example, but the client claims they never got it. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: But they do receive- Because it went to spam ... messages without the link went to the spam folder because sometimes those links are just being interpreted when it's not saved as a contact. Craig O'Neill: The solution is to get it saved as a contact. Interesting little issue, but that takes a little effort, doesn't it, to keep your client- Yeah ... to add you as a contact. There's some cool tools to do that, simple QR code scans, and lots of things we can do at the counter to help people through this problem. Craig O'Neill: But we need our advisors to express the importance of the communication and why they should want it before they'll ever accept it as a contact. Jimmy Lea: That's right. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So interesting, right? So I think that cultivation of a community, that's the easy entry point. Help them understand the value of the communication that's coming and why we're going to be reaching you and make sure they actually do want it. Craig O'Neill: And that leads perfectly into hurdle number three. Hurdle number three is we are not gaining an opt-in for the purpose we seek. And Jimmy, you know this is true across the board generally for opt-ins and shop capturing, and we're gonna talk just a minute about this here as well. We'll do this after the next point. Craig O'Neill: The next point is a strong one on this. But you want the customer to want the message from you. Yeah. Does that happen automatically that they understand what you're going to be sending them and why you're going to be sending it? Jimmy Lea: Not unless you explain it. Craig O'Neill: Not unless you explain it. What's the value in it for them? Craig O'Neill: Why is there a benefit for them to be on a list in your shop for a certain type of message? I used an example earlier about text blast when it gets slow. And the mistake I see the most, Jimmy, is that shops literally have their all or repeat customer list, and they just hit this whole list with this message like, "Hey, we're slow. Craig O'Neill: Come in." Yeah. What if... just go with me here. Love it. What if you created a list that people could sign up and subscribe to in your shop? It's like, "Hey, if you wanna join our slow day list, there's a couple advantages of this. If you wanna just you have a few lingering maintenance items type of a thing, and we have openings we have a... Craig O'Neill: Maybe there's a promotion rate, or maybe it's just literally we can get you in and out because we know time is important, and we're not a discount culture anymore here, right? So maybe we express the speed of service. We know it's inconvenient to have the car down when it's quiet like this. We'll have loaners or rides available. Craig O'Neill: Whatever. There's benefits for you signing up on this list, so you can gain access to this thing that we're gonna do to make it better for you. Would you like to be on that list? We maybe send one or two of these out-" a quarter and perfect, right? And they sign up for that, so now you've got a warm lead list of people who are ready to fill your bays when they need filling. Craig O'Neill: How hard would it be to create that? Jimmy Lea: Oh, not very hard, and I wanna rename it already. I wanna call it the VIP available spots list. Perfect. Craig O'Neill: Yes. Yes. All sorts of things that you could do. Yeah, you could call it your membership list. Whatever. You go crazy. Have fun with it. Communicate the value of it. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And you have some- My wife does this at art shows. She sells her art in these art shows, and she's found that even just the placement of the sign-up form matters. Like, when it's front and center, people who are waiting in line for the checkout now are able to sign into that book while they're waiting for their turn to check out with the art, and she gets way more signups for her email list. Craig O'Neill: Love it. It's perfect. Yeah, and similar practices are totally possible still today, but what do shops do? We automatically assume everyone wants to get any type of message we wanna have for any purpose, and we never clarify or distinguish any special type of thing, and thus they never get the opt-in. Craig O'Neill: And thus, what are your opt-outs telling you? Man, that's their first chance to talk to you about their preference for the type of communication you send. And you know what happens in an opt-out, Jimmy. You know as well as I do. That number's blacklisted at the carrier level. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: That's hard to undo. Now you gotta communicate to them about the value of reengaging in that by texting the word start to this number, and that's a harder thing for a busy service advisor or customer service rep to be able to engage in. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No, it's true. It's true. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: We've gotta communicate with them on the level they want in the form that they want. And sometimes those opt-outs are them saying, "Look, I just don't want to communicate in this method." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: But what do they prefer? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Might Craig O'Neill: be. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: What's the conversation? Where have you built the relationship to continue that conversation on their preferred platform? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Look, I cooked my cellphone a long time ago doing demos of AutoFlow at, with multiple instances. Now I get texts that I forget to clear out of their thing all the time. That texting's not the best way to get me during the day. I am, however, in my inbox. And I promise you, you have clients that's the same thing for them too. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Or they don't even want... Now, go with me here. What if we had a list of people who prefer a phone call follow-up, Jimmy? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. And there are. Craig O'Neill: Yes. Jimmy Lea: There's people that's what they would prefer. Craig O'Neill: Yes. 100% yes. And if you don't get the buy-in from that group, and you think everyone wants a phone call follow-up we already do this- You're wrong Craig O'Neill: at Chris' shop, Jimmy. Yeah. You wanna know in about 90 to 120 follow-up calls that we do in a week there we have a gal doing this for us, for Golden Rule Auto Care. Yeah. We get about 10 to 15% of those calls that go out end up with good connections. Like a good conversation. Jimmy Lea: Oh, they actually answer the phone and have a Craig O'Neill: conversation. Craig O'Neill: Actually answer the phone and have a conversation. Only 10 to 15% 10 to 15. Around 120 calls. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. I, Craig O'Neill: I- Not a huge number. Jimmy Lea: No, it's not. Because people are busy, and they don't wanna be interrupted. And those that want the conversations, they're the ones that answer the phone. And the other 80, 85%, 90% prefer a text message or an email or a Facebook message or purely nothing at all. Jimmy Lea: Thank you very much. Goodbye. Craig O'Neill: Let me ask you this, Jimmy. You got it, man. And when you get a phone call today from a number that's not a contact in your phone- ... do you answer it? Jimmy Lea: Voicemail. No. I- Craig O'Neill: Or screening? Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: I found the you push the two buttons on both sides, boop, right into voicemail. Done. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. I, I have, one of the call screener things on mine now. If it's not a contact, it hits that pretty much automatically. I don't answer my phone. I don't answer my phone. I then check to see the missed call, and if it is something important, I'll call it back. That's the world we're entering, and it's the same principle that we just discussed with that text message that i- if they darn a contact, same is true for the phone number that you're dialing from. Craig O'Neill: If that hasn't yet been saved as a contact, look, guys, your call isn't gonna be trusted yet. Area codes that are mine are the least trusted. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yes. But that's the world now, and we have to be able to recognize that and combat that. Yeah ... but that involves becoming that contact, agreeing to that type of conversation, and maybe making a note somewhere in your management or CRM system about those preferred lev- levels of contact. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So- that's the hard work here, and I understand why shops that are low staff or only have one service advisor to five technicians, and he's also the CSR, and he handles payroll because he's also the owner, and yeah, it gets really tough really fast. And you have opportunity there when you're overwhelmed to hire someone else who can do these things, that's gonna add value to your business. Craig O'Neill: They'll be able to help cultivate these lists, which ke- it's more retention, guarantees you have the income and the cashflow to be able to support their livelihood, and everything gets better. But the starting point's really tough. Problem Jimmy Lea: Number four Craig O'Neill: Let's go. All right, this one's key. Mass blasts- Oh Craig O'Neill: without express written permission are against the law. True. And this is- True ... the really bonkers part of this is shops are loosely aware of this and yet they do it anyway. I forget what the fine is right now, and I'm not a lawyer. I'm not giving legal advice. Just disclaimer on that if you can put it in bold. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, no. But I think it's a $1,500 fine per offense, and if somebody knows that they did not expressly give you permission to text them very specifically- Jimmy Lea: Yep ... Craig O'Neill: text is what we're talking about here. Yep ... that's something they could sue you for and win every time. Notice a lot of the largest organizations out there with multiple locations do not engage in this method of follow-up Jimmy Lea: Because- They Craig O'Neill: know the targets Jimmy Lea: they've lost multiple court cases. Jiffy Lube is one that comes to mind. You can Google it. Court cases where Jiffy Lube had to pay out multimillion dollars because of their mass texting clients. A- and- and what's makes it worse is that they were mass texting clients who had opted out. Craig O'Neill: Oh. Oh, no. Craig O'Neill: So they had a blacklist failure- Yeah ... which is even another thing. So yeah, this is where, okay, you videcoders out there, I know you're out there, and I know you're even playing with APIs from groups like Twilio. And you might think "Cool, we can do texting real easy." Guess what? Start managing your blacklist because Twilio sometimes doesn't do it properly for you. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And the carrier sometimes doesn't do it properly, and it is still you on the hook every time. And if you're giving your software platform to other people to use, your platform, unless it has clear terms and conditions, could also fall under some scrutiny. Oh, boy. It gets sticky. Investigate that. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. It does. It really is. So there's a difference between mass sending a marketing message versus pinpointing and being very specific. Craig O'Neill: Oh, I'm glad you bring this up, Jimmy. Yeah we have a slide on this. So CRM permissions are not actually the same across the board in multiple channels. So the- you probably use terms like transactional versus promotional, Jimmy, I'm sure. Craig O'Neill: But industry terms do vary from- from some- And our industry itself is not usually good at taking universal language- ... Craig O'Neill: And carrying it forward. But these three categories of- of text messages, I put this out. This is I don't have the source on here, but I pulled this source from online. Craig O'Neill: Conversational, informational, promotional. I wanna draw your attention to that blue arrow on the screen. It's kind of a bluish-green arrow, Jimmy. It's on that- Yep ... one, two, three, third row down, where it's talking about how that- that message is constructed. Messages promoting a brand, a product, or a service Or anything that prompts a consumer to buy something, go somewhere, or otherwise take an action. Craig O'Neill: That, if it's in that category, requires express written consent to be legal. Express written consent. Consumers may sign a form, check a box online, or otherwise provide consent to receive promotional text message in some fashion. That express written consent is the highest form of consent, and I haven't met an organization that's tracking it yet. Jimmy Lea: And through the TCPA- Yeah ... which is the act that governs over texting and how you can communicate, it used to be that you had to have a wet signature for that promotional message to go out, and you had to retain it for seven years even after you stopped your business. You still had to have it on file. Jimmy Lea: It's now changed. You can track it digitally. Yes. But you have to be able to provide the source, the date, the time, where it consent was given- Craig O'Neill: Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: for you to send promotional messages. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: conversational, reminders, informational. Now and it's interesting you've got informational broke out here that you do need consent Craig O'Neill: Express consent, which is different than express written consent, and this was interesting to me when I started studying this too, and these things are pretty stable. Craig O'Neill: I don't see this element changing a lot. Yeah. But permission can happen over text on that, or on a form or a website, or verbally, and that's an interesting one. And that's just a message that contains information, just information. It's a status update, it's an appointment confirmation or a reminder. Craig O'Neill: Those types of things are information text, and that's handled- Yeah ... very differently than a promotional marketing text that's asking them to take an action. It tips towards promotional anytime you're asking them to click a link to schedule an appointment, for example, on your slow day blast type of scenario. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. That is a promotional text purely. Even if it's a deferred service reminder. Think about those deferred service drips that people have active in just about every CRM system in the world. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: That is asking the consumer to take an action, and this is exactly the type of thing I will be combating in, in, in our session at Mars 'cause we have a better way forward. Craig O'Neill: We can start talking a little bit about that here too. But those deferred work little drips are... Like, it's a strange thing to do. It's the thing your customer said no to during your visit that we're now assuming they want to receive an, a reminder about without any knowledge that this is coming, and certainly no express written consent. Craig O'Neill: And all of the burden is fully on them to take the action to make something happen about that still deferred work. Yeah. We aren't doing anything. We, in fact, automated the whole thing. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. So what's- Craig O'Neill: It's a passive reminder, as we discussed earlier, right? Jimmy Lea: What's the better way? Are we gonna discuss that here, or are you waiting for Mars? Craig O'Neill: Oh, we can ta- we can talk on it here. So our better way is, it depends on our sense of purpose here, but I think let's go to barrier number five before we talk about that better way, 'cause I think this plays into the whole topic that we're discussing. And this is really the largest barrier, and it is the, the one that I think needs to be overcome before you fix any of the other ones. Craig O'Neill: We don't have our whole organization truly oriented towards retention as a goal What are we oriented towards then? Is the question I like to ask. And if you really stop and you really think about what your organization is structured to achieve, what is it? And it might be what you consider your most important metric might give you a clue. Craig O'Neill: I think it's an interesting question to ask, Jimmy. I do this a lot in different courses. I ask what's the most important metric for a service advisor or for a technician or for this or that?" I like to ask specifically for our front counter staff, whether it be a CSR, a reservationist, a service advisor, whoever we have working our front counter. Craig O'Neill: What is their most important metric? And you get all kinds of answers. You've probably heard every one of them, Jimmy. Closing rate. Those service advisors are like, "I sell 98.92% of all work I ever write up." Terrible stat, by the way, 'cause that's the work you write up. You can artificially inflate your closing rate on sales by writing up what you know will sell. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. But I th- I'm gonna give you my answer. Jimmy Lea: Okay. Craig O'Neill: Your ratio of returning customers Jimmy Lea: Agreed Craig O'Neill: It's your most important statistic Jimmy Lea: If they're not coming back, you're doing something wrong Craig O'Neill: Correct. Yeah, I don't care what your ARO is really. It's an interesting stat to know. You'll establish baselines for all sorts of KPIs. Craig O'Neill: They tell you useful information. But is our goal to sell all of the stuff we find on every visit? And is our team like, "Is that's what's gonna impress the boss? That's what's gonna make him very happy"? Jimmy Lea: No, returning customers. Totally agree. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, because what's the value of one good visit, right? Yeah. Craig O'Neill: What's the value of one visit versus the lifetime value of a client? Jimmy Lea: Yes. The lifetime value has so much more weight to it. Neck and neck. Tens of thousands of dollars versus- Craig O'Neill: Hundreds. Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: hundreds that, for that one visit. Craig O'Neill: Some, yeah. Yeah. And o- I had family accounts, family accounts- Yeah ... literally in the hundreds of thousands with, For Jimmy Lea: the lifetime value? Craig O'Neill: Lifetime value of that particular individual. He had a lot of vehicles in the family. Jimmy Lea: And, What's the family fleet? Craig O'Neill: It's the family fleet ... it's a family fleet. It's Jimmy Lea: a Craig O'Neill: fleet Jimmy Lea: account. Craig O'Neill: Yep. Yep, but even when the kids grew up, they were still coming in as well, too, and that, the lifetime value of the relationships that turn into more things, like, man, if that's true, though, and we do this. Craig O'Neill: Jimmy, we pay lip service to this all the time in our industry. It's a relationship-based business. It is. And then we go and we emphasize we gotta sell this much, and this is our target for sales, and all this other thing, and it's and how much time really are we putting our human attention on our team's human attention in this frenetic age on retention strategy? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. How involved are they in your team right now towards the goal of getting people back in the door from the beginning of that visit to the end of that visit, and what happens in between, the humans involved? And Jimmy, you've been in this industry. It... Most shops, I hear they say, "Hey, my guys aren't gonna use this. Craig O'Neill: I just need this to be automated." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. We'll try and make it sound as personal as possible in that automation, but Craig O'Neill: Yeah, we use those cool little variables. Your service advisor gets filled in with the service advisor's name, all the automated message, and automation has merit. It does. We create, through automation, consistent repeatability of things that we want to have occur That's good, right? Craig O'Neill: It is. Jimmy Lea: Make it personable, and make sure you're responding. Craig O'Neill: And make sure you had a hand in that, and make sure you are responding. Correct. The service advisors know these are going out, they know when it's going out, and they're maybe involved in scanning to see who replied and who didn't, or maybe that's somebody's job in the shop. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And we'll talk about this at Mars a little further. I believe it is somebody's job in the shop. We call... I call it the reservationist. A lot of people have a CSR. Yes ... it's a fun topic because... And it goes deep, and we have podcasts on that too. But dude, it's an orientation thing. It's if it's important to you, you're gonna do something about it. Craig O'Neill: If it's not important to you, you won't do anything about it, and that's the measure that, yeah, like, all right. So I just kinda threw a C.S. Lewis mindset at you. There's like this is one of the things I love about reading some of these, these thinkers, right? It's and of course, he's Christian apologetics and that sort of thing, but he said... Craig O'Neill: i'm breaking it down to just a simple point, like something is important or it's not important at all. Craig O'Neill: That middle ground in this topic, I think this is true, that middle ground's not given to us, which forces us to either have to decide, "Eh, it's really not important and we can continue as we are because we're okay with the results," or, "No, this is a really important topic. Craig O'Neill: Our strategy for getting clients into the shop is of actually critical importance to the ultimate success of our business, and is the most important thing that we should be focusing on to guarantee our success. So we're gonna really put in all of our effort towards this goal instead of just reacting to the chaos, reacting to the things that made it in today." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: Wow. What would happen to your business with that focus? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. Yeah. Man. We wanna exponentially increase it. We wanna rocket fuel this. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: And I wonder what the statistics are. There, there was a, a, a read a while ago that talked about restaurant industry was tracking this. How can they get a client to come back for the second dining experience- Yeah Jimmy Lea: and the third dining experience, and the fourth dining experience? And once they get 'em in for that fourth dining experience, they've got a client for life. Craig O'Neill: True. Yeah. I actually just had a interesting restaurant follow-up. I'm on the email list for one of the sushi joints here in Grand Rapids. I love sushi. Craig O'Neill: Love this place. We go Maru Sushi on Cherry Street. Fantastic. Next time you're in Grand Rapids, wonderful. Love going there with my wife. It's our go-to spot. We had a couple months of a dry spell there where we didn't make it in, and we were busy with art shows and all sorts of stuff. Sure. And I got an email that must have been triggered. Craig O'Neill: It's like their little lost customer reminder. It's like- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... " Craig O'Neill: It's been a while. Here's a free app- appetizer" Okay ... for next, on, on your next visit." It was an interesting follow-up. I thought it was really good. Oh yeah, it has been a while. Man, I want sushi right now, is what I experienced with that. Craig O'Neill: And then, and there's a benefit for me right there in it, and I already wanna go there anyways. It's just been a while. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: It's a great way of getting you back in. I, there, there was the example That the manager would go around and say, "Oh, is this your first time?" They had different colored napkins, so he knew- The servers ask us, they're the new ones that don't recognize us. Jimmy Lea: They ask, "Have you guys been in before?" It's like, "Oh, yeah." Yeah. All right. "You can hold on to the menu. N- unless you need it to show us that you haven't taken the order yet," right? Yeah. Yeah. The the managers are going around and they're giving away, "Hey, on your second visit, make sure you try the cheesecake, and here's a coupon for a free cheesecake." Jimmy Lea: You get me back for a $100 meal for a free cheesecake, is it worth it? Craig O'Neill: Totally. Jimmy Lea: What's that cheesecake cost you? Craig O'Neill: Cheapest marketing. All right. So look- Cheesecake more cost ... how much Jimmy Lea: money Craig O'Neill: do you spend on other marketing efforts for what kind of results? Jimmy Lea: Yeah. And we've got to do the optimizing everywhere. Jimmy Lea: We've got to optimize ourself in all the locations. There's, which is true. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: But also how effective, and it's extremely, ex- extremely effective when they're there at your shop enjoying the experience, you give them a reason to come back. Craig O'Neill: Yes. And I like what you said there, Jimmy, and I think that's worth drawing some out a little further. Craig O'Neill: What you described is what I we have an improv club in our Toastmasters club, so the we play a lot of improv games, and we've been taught the yes and- Yes and ... approach. Yes and. Yes and. It is, it's, so it's a rule in improv where one of the people in your troupe are make something, that's truth now. Craig O'Neill: You react with that. It's not, you can't go combat this thing. It's not this or this. It's these things now have to be recognized as, as connected. The reality of Jimmy Lea: what you create. Combining forces for something good. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So you said- Using that idea ... all networks, all channels, and this is exactly it. Craig O'Neill: This conversation that we're having doesn't say "Oh, yeah, we just master this and we won't need to spend as much money in this other area." That's not necessarily the case. Now, although maybe you have have some restructuring of that, it's you do refine your strategy on how your team is engaging retention, and you continue your outreach efforts, and maybe restructure how your phone call skills and other things go into all the m- effort you did take towards generating leads actually gets converted into real clients that come back again. Jimmy Lea: Oh, yeah. W- I was talking to a shop the other day, "My marketing's not working. My marketing's not working. I need to redo all my marketing." Got digging into his phone call log, discovered 43% of phone calls were- Ooh ... not being answered. No. 43%. Craig O'Neill: This is the world th- that AI assistants are entering. Craig O'Neill: And Jimmy- Yes ... this is this is the deepest, saddest thing in the world for me. AI assistants are one, a thing that is i- in demand and two, that it's sometimes better than the Jimmy Lea: people. If you're not able to answer the phone, you need to figure out either you need a human that's there answering the phone, or you implement this AI answering system- Oh, man Jimmy Lea: that's tied to your point of sale that sees your schedule, that can schedule- Better Craig O'Neill: at containing the context and keeping the notes and everything else ... four different... Jimmy Lea: Absolutely. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, I know. Jimmy Lea: And it's true. If- I do not support the idea that the AI answering your system is going to replace your advisor. Jimmy Lea: Absolutely not. Yeah. Craig O'Neill: No. Jimmy Lea: You do need to answer the phone as quickly as you humanly possibly can, but if you're not able to, that's where you've got this backup that can take care of business. And it's an interesting thing. Craig O'Neill: And this backup Jimmy Lea: is just that. Yeah. It needs to be backup, not plan A. Craig O'Neill: Oh, not plan A. Craig O'Neill: And in fact, you need to be aware And we were having this conversation in our team, too 'cause our sales guys, when they're calling shops, they're hitting AI- Jimmy Lea: Yes ... Craig O'Neill: systems far more frequently than they ever used to, and it's interesting to see that volume go. But simultaneously, we understand, like, how do you feel personally when you call a business and the first thing you get is an AI? Craig O'Neill: Are you happy or a little sad about that? And in an election year right now, it has turned divisive. And we did tailor- trace this back to this really started about two weeks ago. Even in demos where we're talking about AI features- ... the data center issue is coming up. And, like, all these things are, like, top of mind, front and center. Craig O'Neill: "Oh, I can't believe you guys are engaging with AI stuff in this world right now." And it's oh, wow, hot button issue. You have an AI assistant, you probably are gonna have a 50/50 split. I'm y- I'm talking 50/50. Some people will love it and think it's fine or just tolerate it. The other 50% are going to hate it, hate you, and may never call you again. Craig O'Neill: And congratulations, now we're in 2026. Yep. Jimmy Lea: And I, I think the 50/50 might be a little, Craig O'Neill: I'm just thinking about how the elections play out- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... for two different parties. I propose there's probably a 30%, maybe a 33% that loves it, 33%- Fair ... that hates it, and 33% that's in that middle that says, "Ah." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: I Craig O'Neill: would love to see a strong third party too, Jimmy, but that's neither here nor there. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So look at this though. We talked orientation. We don't have a whole organization structured towards retention. Now I had a great coach. Bob Greenwood was my coach. He passed away 2021. And I talk about this frequently. I echo what he taught me a long time ago, and he described our professional responsibility. Craig O'Neill: He asked the question, "What's our job? What's our job? What is your job?" I remember being the technician in the room that raised my hand, and I told him what he was expecting someone in the room to raise their hand and say. Jimmy Lea: Fix cars. " Craig O'Neill: I fix cars." Yep. He pounced. He was ready. This is what he did. I've seen him do it multiple conversations after that. Craig O'Neill: He said, "No. Your job, your professional responsibility, is to make sure the vehicle's safe, reliable, and efficient. That's the job. And that, Mr. Client, is why we do a multi-point inspection on every vehicle that we do, and we will send this digitally to you, and we won't let you down." And there's lots more that goes into that, but there's a whole underlaying sense of purpose about the service that we provided. Craig O'Neill: And if that is our job, to make sure the vehicle's safe, reliable, and efficient, we owe it to our customers to be participants in that- Yeah ... as a member of the community of which they are also driving in. It has direct benefits to us and the other people we love on the streets. But that's an orientation, right? Craig O'Neill: And if that is what you believe about your purpose in this industry- Amen ... yeah, we're gonna start following up with the strong ability to communicate that sense of purpose, and people will hear the conviction in there and that commitment that you made to not letting them down. And that is not going to be heard in your competitors. Craig O'Neill: If you master this, and you don't, you will stand out, I promise you. Jimmy Lea: It's true. It's true. Yeah. Craig, this is a, a phenomenal conversation that we're having, talking about all things marketing, customers, customer relationships. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Managing those relationships, communicating in their preferred method, form, and fashion. Jimmy Lea: This is gonna continue in our Mars Conference. I can't wait. Let's throw up that QR code again. If you are able to attend, and you are listening to this, today is... What day is today? Craig O'Neill: Today is the 9th. Jimmy Lea: September 9th It's called Wednesday. September 9th, intensive giveaway winners. Oh, don't forget the giveaway winners here, Craig. Jimmy Lea: We've- Oh ... le- but- Great Do you wanna announce the winners first, or do you wanna announce the the special giveaway for everybody listening? Craig O'Neill: Let's do the winners first, Jimmy. I'm excited. So we had a drawing as we had two tickets to give away to Mars, and we have two winners, and we'll be sending emails to these winners as well. Craig O'Neill: Winner number one, Preston Callahan. Winner number two, Jordan Jawarenko. And we will get those emails out to you and hope to see you in Utah. And yeah bring your hiking shoes if you wanna go up in the hills with me. I definitely encourage getting up in the hills. So- Jimmy Lea: Are you gonna be rucking? Craig O'Neill: Oh, see, when I'm in the hills I don't just bring useless weight, I bring actual hiking gear, so I just call it hiking when I'm actually in a mountain. Jimmy Lea: When you're in Utah, you go hiking. Yeah. Everywhere else it's Craig O'Neill: rucking. Yeah. Rucking is what I would call urban hiking. Jimmy Lea: It's for you flatlanders. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yeah. So no, I will definitely be ha- I have a pack, I have I put water in there for weight and snacks that I can eat, and the, the idea is you get it lighter as you go with that sort of stuff, but- Oh ... it's absolutely beautiful. So these- Yeah ... are the winners from the Autoflow drawing that we'd had. Craig O'Neill: Those of you who did not win on that drawing, we'll still email you and hope to see you in Utah. Take advantage of this promotion. I think it's gonna be a great conversation. I've done this intensive multiple times. Jimmy, I gotta give you guys some props on this because this is my favorite format literally in all events that I go to. Craig O'Neill: You're in one room together at your headquarters in Ogden, Utah- Yeah ... which is a cool town. Everyone hears the same presenter. We get everyone here asking those same questions, and then- Yep ... the next presenter's gonna be up, and then we do that. We have great food in between, and then there's breakout sessions afterward where we get to go and break out into groups and discuss everything that's done. Craig O'Neill: No one's missing any of the context from any of the presentations. It's not like you're in one session and then another session is going on and "Man, that would've been a cool talk too, but this is really good." You don't have any fear of missing out on anything that's happening. Everybody's a participant the whole way. Craig O'Neill: It's awesome. Jimmy Lea: Oh, and I love the, the vendors are included. Everyone is in the same- Yeah ... room, and we're having these conversations together. It's not just shop owner to shop owner point of view. We get everybody's point of view in on these conversations- Yeah ... which is super awesome. All right. So if you scan this QR code, grab out your smartphone, scan this QR code, this is a coupon. Jimmy Lea: It is on- coupon, oh, I hate calling it that. Yeah. This is a special member VIP. Because you are watching this webinar, this is a cu- the, this code is good until 12:00 AM tomorrow morning, Pacific Daylight Time The code is, and I have to switch over to my other computer, the code is Mars300. This is $300 off of the general admission pricing. Jimmy Lea: So you and a- anybody of the public that is out there, you will get the webinar, the the whole entire intensive, Mars Intensive at the institute member pricing. So use the code Mars, M-A-R-S 300, and that is good until, for in the next, what? 12 hours? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Where are we? 10, 12- And after Jimmy Lea: you fill that out- Oh, 13 hours. Jimmy Lea: You got 13 hours. Ready, set, go. Go ahead ... after Craig O'Neill: you fill that out, email us and I will tell you my favorite two sushi joints in Ogden, Utah, and maybe we can even grab a bite there. Jimmy Lea: Ooh, that's great. And you know what? We do have a couple of more tickets available. There's not a lot, but there are a few more tickets available for that exclusive dinner with Cecil Bullard. Craig O'Neill: Nice. Jimmy Lea: We're gonna have some great conversations. Those that are speakers are invited to be able to be part of this conversation and it's an exclusive dinner with Cecil, so you're gonna have some really good, intense, great conversations with the speakers of the event, with Cecil being there. These are gonna be some really good focused conversations. Jimmy Lea: Those Craig O'Neill: are my favorite moments, Jimmy. Yeah, the event is one thing, but the conversations that happen throughout and at dinners these... If you're not frequently going to industry events like this is... You owe it to yourself to do this. The ideas that you get to go back with are phenomenal, and the connections that you make and the sense of community that you feel that, that's permanent Jimmy Lea: Agreed. Jimmy Lea: Agreed. Couldn't have said it better. Thank you, Craig. Oh, yeah. Congratulations to Preston. Congratulations to Jordan. Look forward to seeing you in Ogden, Utah, October 26th, 27th and 28th, right before SEMA Apex. And for those who are the adventurous types rent a car. Let's go drive down through Zion and Bryce Canyon and- Yes Jimmy Lea: I'm sure Craig Craig O'Neill: and- Zion. If you haven't been to Zion National Park, what is that place? It is beautiful. It is. Southern Utah, phenomenal, dude. I could go... We have another hour here, so we can just talk about Southern Utah. Man, dude- ... you guys have got the pocket of beauty in this world. It is phenomenal. Craig O'Neill: Like- Jimmy Lea: It's gorgeous. Yeah. It is gorgeous. Craig O'Neill: Absolutely. You will... And Salt Lake City's no joke either. You fly in there, you're gonna think, "This is amazing," and it is. And then you go to Southern Utah and you think "What is... It gets better?" Jimmy Lea: Yep. Yep. Glad you had a great experience with your family down there in Southern Utah. Craig O'Neill: Dude, my wife and I are flying out a little early. We're staying through the weekend before the Mars Intensive we're gonna be hiking some hills then too. It's hard to get the bigger hikes in between the event stuff. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Craig O'Neill: It gets dark- Yes, it is ... it gets hard on the mountain. Jimmy Lea: It does. It does. Jimmy Lea: Even with that, it's not quite enough. I got you. With that, thank you, Craig. I appreciate you being here, brother. Oh, thanks. Thank you so much. Look forward to Mars- Can't wait ... the Mars Intensive. Let's continue this conversation. Let's get in deeper with these conversations and have a great time. I will see you there. Jimmy Lea: Thank you, everybody. See Craig O'Neill: you soon.

The Power of Financing: A Growth Tool for Auto Repair Shops [RR 1108]
Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode What happens when a customer needs a $2,000 repair but doesn’t have the cash available today? That moment can determine whether the vehicle gets repaired, the customer delays a critical service, or they take their business somewhere else. For automotive shops, offering flexible payment options can be more than a convenience. It can be a powerful tool for helping customers say yes to the work their vehicles need. Kwane Stokes, Assistant Vice President and Relationship Manager in the automotive division at Synchrony, explains how the program can help shops remove financial barriers, increase repair opportunities, and create another reason for customers to return. Kwane also addresses why many shops still aren't offering financing and how the biggest obstacle may simply be the assumptions advisors make about a customer's ability or willingness to pay. What You'll Learn Why financing should be presented as a payment option, not something an advisor decides a customer needs.How the program's average first and repeat purchase amounts demonstrate the potential impact on average repair order (ARO).Why assuming a customer can't qualify for credit can cause shops to lose needed repair work.How monthly promotional offers can give shops another reason to communicate with their customers.How advisor incentives and simple training can encourage more consistent presentation of financing.What the upcoming "waterfall" financing model could mean for customers who aren't approved through the primary credit program. The biggest opportunity may not be finding more customers. It may be giving the customers already sitting at your counter more ways to say yes. The key is removing the assumption that you know what a customer can or cannot afford. Present the options, explain them clearly, and let the customer decide what works for their financial situation. For a shop, financing isn't simply about collecting payment. It's another tool for helping customers get the repairs they need while protecting the relationship and keeping the work in your shop. Kwane Stokes, AVP, Relationship Manager, Auto Network, Synchrony Learn more about the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with on-site training and six days a week of support: http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download Our Mobile App:https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderBooks Page:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom Page:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomEpisode Collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collectionsBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto:https://remarkableresults.biz/Automotive Field TheorywithMatt Fanslow:https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the NumberswithHunt Demarest: https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcastwith Brian and Kim Walker: https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/The Weekly Blitzwith Chris Cotton: https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/Speak Up! Effective Communicationwith Craig O'Neill: https://craigoneill.captivate.fm

Autoshop Ministries Episode 9- Ask With Vision: What Do You Really Want from God?
Joe Adams and Pastor Devonte Tidwell unpack the story from Mark 10 to show why being specific about what you ask for matters in prayer, leadership, and business. They contrast clear, faith-filled requests with vague desires and explain how vision shapes outcomes. The episode offers practical takeaways: sharpen your language, examine motives behind requests, trust God’s timing, and seek the deeper need (sight) rather than temporary status (a seat).

Brakes for Breasts: How Auto Repair Shops Are Fighting Breast Cancer [THA 500]
Thanks to our Partners: NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> What if your auto repair shop could help advance breast cancer research while growing your business? Co-founders Leigh Anne Best and Laura Frank, alongside Dr. Justin Johnson from the Cleveland Clinic, share the story behind one of the automotive industry's most impactful grassroots fundraisers. Since 2011, participating shops have partnered with parts vendors to provide free brake pads during October, helping customers save on repairs while shops donate 10% of the total service cost to breast cancer vaccine research at Cleveland Clinic. With $2.4 million raised and a $3 million milestone in sight, the campaign is helping fund continued research into the alpha-lactalbumin breast cancer vaccine for triple-negative breast cancer while giving independent repair shops an opportunity to strengthen their communities and grow their business. What You'll Learn How the Brakes for Breasts win-win fundraising model works.How participating shops can partner with parts vendors and customers.Why 100% of donations go directly to the research laboratory.How grassroots funding helped keep the Cleveland Clinic research lab open after Dr. Vincent Tuohy's passing.What Phase 1 vaccine research revealed and what Phase 2 will require.How participating shops can generate community awareness and increased car count.How your shop can participate and access promotional resources. Brakes for Breasts demonstrates what can happen when the automotive industry comes together around a cause. Shops can serve their customers, strengthen their communities, grow their businesses, and help fund research that could change lives. Every shop, every customer, and every dollar can make a difference. https://www.brakesforbreasts.com/ The First Breast Cancer Vaccine Trial Recipient Jennifer Davis: https://remarkableresults.biz/remarkable-results-radio-podcast/cc111/ NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training, six days a week of support, and local representation. http://napatracs.com/ Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. https://www.todaysclass.com/ Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. https://www.kukui.com/ You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download and Listen on Our Mobile App: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carmSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collections The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: <a href="https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener...