Autoshop Ministries Episode 5: Stop Worrying About Tomorrow: Be Fully Present Today
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About this episode
Pastor Devontae Tidwell joins Joe Adams to explore being fully present, overcoming anxiety with Matthew 6:34, and balancing stewardship with trust. The episode offers practical…
Key takeaways
- —Being fully present enhances gratitude and reduces anxiety.
- —Worrying about tomorrow can rob you of today's joy and peace.
- —Anxiety often stems from a desire for control over the future.
- —Good stewardship involves concern for the future without succumbing to worry.
- —Gratitude journaling can help shift focus from anxiety to appreciation.
Frequently asked
- How can I manage anxiety about the future?
- Focus on being fully present and trust that God has tomorrow in His hands. Engage in gratitude practices to shift your mindset.
- What does it mean to be fully present?
- Being fully present means engaging completely in the moment, without distractions or worries about the past or future.
- How can I cultivate gratitude in my life?
- Start a gratitude journal where you write down things you are thankful for each day, which helps you appreciate the present.
▸Full transcript
What's up, family? This is Joe Adams with Adams Automotive, the number one shop in America. This is Master Tech to Millionaire presented by Auto Shop Answers, where we talk about the transition from technician to business owner, CEO. We're here today with Pastor Devonte Tidwell for another episode of Auto Shop Ministries. Happy Sunday, Devonte. How you doing? I'm doing great, man. It's a great day.
I can't complain one bit. I'm happy to be back here with everybody. So how are you? I'm doing good, man. We had our— we wrapped up our second, uh, Key to Key weekend with an Auto Shop Ministry Sunday service. Uh, I thought it went pretty well. How'd you think it went, man? I always think it goes well when people are, are giving their life to Jesus and people are getting prayed for, when people are being encouraged.
So, you know, I have no complaints. When it was really cool to see so many different people engage, uh, not just with the message or everything that happened, but with one another, you know. And even seeing some new faces that weren't there for the, the first one, I thought that was cool too. So listen, I, I want to invite everybody, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Meet us there. Yeah, meet us there. Like, I promise you, it's worth the early morning every single month. That's right. Sweet. Well, man, what do we, um, what are we getting into today? You got a message for us today? Yeah, I sure do, man. I want to get into being fully present because I think it's one of the most underrated, uh, things that we can do in this entire— not just, uh, life and existence, but I think it's that we walk with Jesus as we're trying to get closer to him, as we're trying to engage with community.
There's nothing worse than like being with somebody and being at dinner or being on a date and being like, you know what, well, are they really— are they paying attention? Like you're repeating details or, you know, they got their phone out the entire time. Like they're just not present. You know how that feels being out there. But imagine us taking that into our faith, into our journey with God, because we do.
And one of the things that we do when we're not fully present is that we take our focus off of Jesus, off of what we already have, because we're looking at tomorrow. We're looking at things in the future that are scaring us or that we're worried about and are taking our time and our attention. It may not be a physical phone, but it'll be a tomorrow problem or a deadline or a project or something like that.
And scripture actually speaks to this. I want to read it. It says this in Matthew chapter 6, verse number 34. Here's what it says. It says, do not be worried about tomorrow. Because tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble on its own. Like, I'm gonna say that one more time. Do not be worried about tomorrow, for tomorrow will take care of itself.
Each day has enough trouble on its own. Think about that. You know, there's this term in psychology called awfulizing. Have you ever heard of this word? No, I haven't. Okay, so it's literally the word awful, like this is trash, or this is bad, or— but it's literally awful with -izing on the end of it. Awfulizing is this: they— you create the worst-case scenario in hopes that you avoid it in your head.
Okay. So what happens is like a lot of people who do this, they'll try to think about tomorrow, or again, like we talked about that project, or that bill that's due, or that issue that comes up. And They're— they come up with a scenario in their head to be as bad as earthly possible. So that way they're not surprised by it. And they do it because they're hoping that it doesn't happen.
It's like, well, if I expose myself to it in my brain, then nothing— everything else under that has to be easier. Right? And honestly, that takes a toll on your body. Like, just imagine thinking that way all the time. And a lot of times when people are talking about being worried about tomorrow, um, they aren't thinking about being worried about tomorrow in a good way.
It's not like, oh, I want to make it to tomorrow because I can't wait to get up and make my bed. Like, nobody's ever said that, right? It's, I'm worried about tomorrow because I don't know if I'm going to be able to, you know, meet this quota, or I don't know if this meeting that I'm having is going to go well or is going to be bad.
Are they going to drop us? Are they going to pick us up? Or we're going to land that contract or whatever it may be. It always skews negatively. And what you did instead of avoiding the problem is you already pre-exposed yourself to it. And here's what the Bible is saying, because the title of this whole passage, if you go all the way up— I love like in the Bible, if you have a Bible or you have the Bible app, each section typically has a title that helps you understand what that section is.
Here's what it says for this section, which is verse 25 through 34. The title sometimes is preaching to us too. It says this is the cure for anxiety. Oh, isn't that crazy? The cure for anxiety is to not worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble on its own. And what, what this is saying is anxiety is essentially fear of a future that you cannot even control.
And here's what we have to do. We have to let tomorrow be tomorrow, because tomorrow's not even promised. And, and we're so focused on the future. We're so focused on the next thing that we look over the beauty of the now thing. That's why I say we have to be fully present, Joe. We have to, because we're going to— one, tomorrow's not promised.
So if tomorrow's not promised, neither is the thing we're scared of. If that— it may not ever even show up, and you spent all of today stressing about it, worried about it, losing sleep. You didn't eat. You got cold sweats. You're not even focused. You can't play with your kids. You can't hang out with your coworkers. You can't laugh, you can't tell a joke.
It robbed you of today because you were focused on the negative potential that tomorrow would have. And a lot of times the thing that we were worried about never even shows up. Does that make sense? Yeah, it totally makes sense. It's funny you, uh, bring up Matthew 6. My, um, my favorite verse, like probably my favorite verse ever, and we didn't even plan this, is, uh, Matthew 6:28.
He's talking about the, uh, yeah, Yeah, Jesus is talking about the birds of the air. It's like, look at the birds, you know, they don't gather food, they don't store seed into barns or whatever it says. And, you know, yet the Lord feeds them every day and he cares way more about you than he cares about the birds, you know? And it's, I don't know if I'm paraphrasing that for sure, but I think about that all the time.
Like I'll be just massively stressed about something and you kind of zoom out and it's like, wow, this is like, not to like invalidate our sufferings or our anxieties, but to be like, wow, Like, he's got me. God's got me. Like, we're gonna get through today. And what you were saying that stuck out to me was like, oftentimes that thing doesn't even happen.
Like, what if something really great happens? You know, like, I try to be more optimistic, but for sure, having anxiety, especially when you're trying to run a business or be faithful in your career, is something a lot of us have to overcome. It is. And I think, you know, and I'll read it for people just because I think that is another one of those just brilliant, brilliant, scriptures.
And I'll back up to verse number 27 since I've already got my Bible open and we're here. It says this: And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to their life? And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow. They don't toil, nor do they spin. Yet I say to you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like the lilies.
But if God clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow thrown into the furnace, Will he not? How much more would he clothe you? Think about that. The birds of the air, they gather, they don't gather. They— if his eye is where it comes from, where is— if his eye is on the sparrow, then I know that he watches me, right?
Do not worry about what we'll eat or drink, what we'll wear, but seek first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you. And then it says, so do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will take care of itself. Each day has enough trouble on its own. Isn't that special, man? The birds of the air, they don't sow, they don't reap, they don't put anything into barns.
Yet your heavenly Father feeds them every single day. And are you not worth more than them? Yes. I mean, it's— we are. But here's the thing. I love that you said this too. It's like, man, what if something really great happens? What I typically find, Joe, is that again, it only is the negative and people never give the positive a fair fight.
Like, like, what if, what if tomorrow the meeting goes better than you expected? And that's the thing that launches your career? What if tomorrow it says, hey, you know what, like we said that we wanted to do this. But like now we in this conversation, we've thought of some more other opportunities for growth that we can partner with. And now that contract you were expecting is now double or triple, right?
Or what if, what if you asked the girl on a date? And she says yes, you know what I mean? Like, what if you ask her? And she goes out. Now, now, 5 years down the line, you're like, man, if I, you know, if I would have just been in my head about it and stayed with the anxiety, I wouldn't have my wife, right?
So these are things that we never give space to. And I want to give you another scripture that points to this. John 10:10. Jesus says that the enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy, but I make— I have come that you may have life and life more abundantly. I don't know about you, Joe, but life and life more abundantly sounds pretty positive to me.
I agree. Yeah, I received that. I received that too, because Jesus is directly giving a juxtaposition. He's given a direct, um, contrast between 2 things. He says, the enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy, but I have come that you may have life and life more abundantly. Don't lose the light of life worrying about tomorrow, because it's a tactic that the enemy will use.
Because if he comes to steal, kill, and destroy, sometimes we're celebrating like, man, I just survived. I just made it through the day. I survived. I wasn't killed. I wasn't destroyed. It's like, yeah, but it stole something from you. It stole your rest. It stole your peace. It stole your joy. It stole your positive outlook. It stole your energy because you're focused on tomorrow.
Now, now you don't have the energy to tackle your kids on the floor. And now you don't have the energy to be truly excited that, you know, your son hit his first homer. You know, now you don't have the energy to hear about how your daughter finally landed that position in that company that she was really hoping for, you know, after the internship.
Because you've let tomorrow rob you of your rest, rob you of your joy, rob you of your peace. And that's no way to live. When you're trying to be fully present, bro, here's what I think we will see. The more present you are, the more fully present— let me go back and say that— the more fully present you are, because you can be present, right?
Like, you can be there but not fully there. Right? Like, you can, you can be sitting with somebody but not fully engaged, or you can be in the room but not engaging with the room. So let me clarify, being fully present. The more fully present you are, the more you will realize you have a lot more to be grateful for. You'll stop trying to live in a place where you're trying to grab things to be grateful for, grab things to be satisfied.
Like, oh, I'll be happy when this happens tomorrow, or I'll be finally happy when this comes through next week, or I'll finally be happy happy when this comes through next month. No, you'll be like, man, when I'm fully present, man, I got, I got great kids. I got a great friendship with my guy Joe. Man, I got, I got a great yard to go mow.
I got, I got some, some cool things. I got a great spouse. I got a great team around me. You know, I remember when my staff wasn't as strong as it is now. I am grateful that I got the staff that I have. I'm grateful that I have the admin and the assistant that I have. Because I remember when my life was a mess because I I am not good at managing my calendar.
All right, like, when you are fully present, Joe, that's what I realized, is that you will default to gratitude, and gratitude is the way that keeps you present. All right, I got a question for you. So, um, you know, Todd— I know Todd's listening to this, you know, he knows my personality is like, I'm not necessarily somebody who's like anxious that something horrible is going to happen, but I think I get anxiety that we're not gonna like perfectly optimize everything, if that makes sense.
So like— Yeah, absolutely. One, I like to read Proverbs and one of my favorite Proverbs is something along the lines of like, you know, we may make all these plans, you know, but the Lord orders our steps. So why try to figure everything out along the way? And Todd talks about it like this, you know, he's like, look, Joe, In my career, I've always just kind of like backed into success is what he calls it.
He's like, you're not really like, he's like, you just put your head down and work every day. And then you kind of like look up every now and then and you're like, holy crap, like what have we built here? You know? And you're not necessarily. So I don't know, my question to you is like, how do you, how do you have like a healthy amount of like, not worrying, but like— Concern.
Like I wanna steward the business well and I wanna like thoughtfully thoughtfully think through the way I do things. But I think that sometimes that can manifest itself as like, kind of like, I'll get anxious that I'm not, that it's not gonna go perfectly, that it won't be like perfectly optimized. And so I have to lean on scripture like this, you know, to make sure that I'm trusting that the Lord orders our steps and he takes care of the birds and how much more does he care about me?
But anyway, that was a lot, but I'll pause there if that question makes sense. No, that question makes total sense. And I think your answer is within the questions, you know, or within some of your response. Because I think a lot of people try to separate the two, right? And I think the problem that, that the scripture for today in Matthew 6 is pointing out is the caveat is today has enough trouble in and of itself.
And it would have enough trouble whether or not you were a Christian, you still would— like Jesus also says at another point, he says, in this life, you will have troubles, but take heart, for I have overcome the world. Right. That's the formula. Like you mentioned, it's okay, yeah, there are troubles, but I have to trust that the Lord has tomorrow in the palm of his hands.
The Lord is going to clothe the lilies of the valley. The Lord is going to feed the birds of the air. The Lord is the one who orders our steps. The Lord is the one who is stronger than my understanding. If he promises, trouble is not a possibility, it is a promise. Jesus literally says, in this life you will— not you might, not you could, not you should have trouble.
He said, you will have trouble, but take heart, for I have overcome the world. He's saying, I am the solution. The more you lean on me, the more you don't have to worry about the trouble. It's the trouble that's the problem. I think there's a healthy amount of concern about the future. That's why I said the word concern. When you're talking about stewardship, you're saying, hey, I want to steward the business well, I want to steward these people well, I want to make sure that We are paying people at a place and at a pace that they can take care of their family and that they're not, you know, dreading coming to work because they
have to. I want them to be there because they want to. That's being a good leader, right? The Bible also says that a wise man stores up an inheritance for his children and his children's children. That's future. Like, I don't know my grandkids yet. I don't have any. But that still is a concern about the future. And that shows that you can steward things for the future without being worried about the future.
That's the difference, right? There's a level of concern that goes with stewardship, because that means that you're a good leader. That means that the people that are listening are good leaders. They are, hey, I want to make sure that tomorrow the lights still come on. I want to make sure that, you know, 6 months from now, we're not blowing through reserves because of something that we didn't price properly.
You know, that's good stewardship. But the concern happens when it's a worry. As if it's, you know, almost kind of a reverse engineer. The question is, if this doesn't go perfectly, does that make this or me a failure? And I think that's what's at the root of it for a lot of people where they say, man, it has to go perfectly because that's the way that I attach my identity.
It's not God's doing. It's not the Lord's work. It's DeVonta's work. It's DeVonta's effort. It's DeVonta's ability. And this is what it's saying. It's like, what are you worried about? If you trust in the Lord with all your heart and you lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge him. Proverbs says, this is Proverbs 3:5-6, says, in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will direct your path.
The path doesn't end today. If he's going to direct our path for tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day, and the next day, it allows us to be fully present in today and right now where we get to say, yeah, God, hey, here's this concern. I'm gonna bring it to you because I am a good steward. I am thinking about the future.
I'm thinking about tomorrow. I'm thinking about my employees, my techs. I'm thinking about my admins, I'm thinking about my office staff, I'm thinking about my coworkers, I'm thinking about my peers, my family, my kids, but I'm gonna bring it to you because I know that you can handle it a lot better than me. Yeah, it's, you know, because I think about this a lot.
It's like, there's not a lot of Fortune 500 CEOs who probably, you know, their business plan is to just like, hey, we'll just let God handle it. You know, we'll just figure it out along the way. And so I think about that all the time. Like, well, what am I, you know, how do I, how do I fit our our business and my career into God's word?
And I think you kind of just answered it. It's like, you basically just, you do all you can, but you just don't let it ruin your life. Like you just, at a certain point, there is an unhealthy amount of anxiety where you are not trusting that God is gonna provide for you and your family. And that, 'cause God wants you to do your part.
I firmly believe that, you know, he wants you to sow seed and he wants you to water it and he wants you to, you know, harvest it. But, you know, staring at the seed and, you know what I mean, like 24/7 isn't— he wants you to sleep and rest too, you know what I mean? I don't know if that made sense, but— That's a perfect analogy.
You can overdo it for sure. That's a perfect analogy, Joe. I think that because the Bible talks a lot about farming and uses agriculture, you know, not just as symbolism, but, you know, for us to look at. So I love that you talk about it, 'cause let's talk about that for a second. Imagine planting a seed. And you have a whole field and you want to, you know, you want to grow orchard apple trees, right?
You want a bunch of apple trees, whatever. Well, if you go out there and you plant the seed and you do all the backbreaking work that it takes to plant that seed to make sure that it's covered to make sure the soil is the right pH, all of the stuff, if you know anything about, you know, about planting crops, right? Great. Imagine coming out there in 6 hours being like, man, I sure hope— did the seed go down far enough?
Like, let me get my ruler. And like, let me dig beside the seed and try to see how far— oh, no, it's not down. Now you're obsessing. That's the problem. Anxiety is the obsession over the future that you cannot fully control. It's the obsession that's wrapped in fear. There's so many different layers that make this anxiety. That, that's a little different from the concern.
That's why I said I want to make sure that the words have the proper power, because you can be concerned about tomorrow. There's nowhere in the Bible where it says, you know, don't fully be concerned. Don't, don't plan. Don't— right. The Bible talks about setting our eyes on things above. That's the future. That's heaven. That's when we get to the end of our road.
It says that, you know, in the parable of the talents, we talk about well done, good and faithful servant, which is the goal at the end of life. You know, Paul talks about, you know, I haven't reached it yet, but I'm pressing on towards the prize of Jesus towards the future. Like there is more language to suggest that you should absolutely be concerned about the end in mind, the future in mind.
But imagine going out there every day with a ruler and saying, ah, was the seed deep enough? Did the seed crack a little bit? Is there— is the sprouting gonna come up today? Is the seedling gonna come up today? Is it gonna break the ground today? What about today? No, what about today? Today? Like, you would be waiting for years. You know what I mean?
And then because of the amount of obsession that takes— excuse me— think about all you miss, right? You don't have time to do anything else because you have to now go back out there with a ruler. Let me go out there and feel the soil. Let me test the soil again today. Let me watch and hope the seed comes up. Let me see.
Okay, the seed is coming up a little bit. Let me make sure. Now let me hold my arms out around the perimeter so nothing comes to eat the fruit that's growing on it. You now you've missed dinners. You've missed sleep. You've missed time to connect. You've missed tee times. You know I had to throw that in there because I'm obsessed with golf now.
You missed tee times. You know what I mean? You've missed all of these things because you're obsessing. Over the— over this one thing being perfect. And that's the idea. If we're using the analogy for people who are listening, think about anxiety or being concerned about tomorrow and not being fully present in today with going outside and checking to see if the seed is good every single day.
You physically, literally would not have enough time in a day to do anything else. No, you're speaking to me, man. I literally, you know, if Todd's listening to this, he's gonna be cracking up because I'll get so obsessed. I'll get like so distracted. With all the details of like, hey, if we make this decision like 5 years from now, this is what the outcome is going to be.
And like, here's what we need to plan. Or like, I'll just get so in the weeds, which is kind of like, it's one of my superpowers is I'll get really fixated and obsessed on like a certain, like, I don't know, bottleneck in the business or problem we're facing. But then like kind of one of the side effects of that is I will literally stare at the seed and be like thinking about how much water we need to put on it.
And like, I will get so distracted that I'll miss stuff. And it's like there's an opportunity cost to everything. And I, you know, could have been spending that time doing more, you know, useful and profitable things in the business or just in my own life. So that's for sure. That's basically the analogy. It's like sitting there and staring at the plant and instead of just trusting that God's going to do his thing and he wants you to do your part, but he's going to do his thing and just being like, man, what's going to go wrong?
Like trying to helicopter over it. So that's it. It's good stuff. Yeah, because there's so many elements that we don't have control over. Even if you stared at the seed, let's go a little deeper into the analogy. You couldn't make the sun come up. Right? You couldn't make the wind blow. You couldn't send the rain. So even staring at the seed, all of the elements around it that still are a necessity for this to be successful are out of our hands.
And I feel like that's a reminder for some people today. And I hope that anybody that's listening feels the same thing that I know it's not just Joe, as I've dealt with it, and I deal with it too. I always say like, it's almost like the curse of being a strategist, right? Like you, you can see kind of things in the future, you can see problems before they happen.
But at the same time, you can, you can obsess over them. So for everybody listening out there, you know, I want to encourage you with this before I give you our challenge for the week, which I hope that you've bought a journal because I love that we have talked about a journal every single week on the show, especially because today is going to hit.
You have to release the control. All anxiety is, is a symptom of needing more control. I have to release the control. Because even if I stared at that seed, I can't make the sun come out. I can't move the clouds so that these plants get a little more sunlight. I can't make the wind blow so that it gets the right amount of oxygen.
I can't send the rain. And I can't send enough rain. Even if I could send enough rain today, I can't send enough rain for it to continue to grow tomorrow. Like, there's, there's so much that's out of my control. But the part that is in my control is putting the seed in the ground and trusting that God is going to do the rest.
I'm going to plant the seed, I'm going to scatter the seed, I'm going to make sure it's covered with the soil, I'm going to make sure that it gets down in and it's, and it's the perfect amount of space away from where the next one needs to be. So they have space to grow up side by side. I'm going to do that part, because that's my responsibility.
That's the responsibility God gave me. So for the sake of the analogy, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hire the right people, I'm going to bring in the right team. I'm going to develop them and instill and install culture that's going to outlive us. I'm going to make sure they're compensated well and taken care of and check in on them and know about their family and know about their kids and know about what's important to them.
But I'm going to promote, I'm going to market, I'm going to do all the things that I need to do as a, as a responsible steward. But there is still the element of control that I will never be able to hold. And the way that I do that is be fully present. So for the challenge this week, I want people to get out their journal.
If you haven't gotten a journal, go get one. I'm sure you got notepads or something laying around somewhere. And there's a man that we both know and love well and, and mentioned something that was life-changing. And in this journal, he actually writes down the things that he's grateful for. Calls it like his gratitude journal. And what he does in it is literally just moments and things that he can think of.
And it could minor, it could be major. But what it, what it ends up doing over time is it makes you a lot more present in today. And it makes you a lot more grateful for what you already have, makes you content, not satisfied, not settling. But it just makes you content. We say, you know what, man, I'm happy with the life that we've built so far.
I'm happy with the business that we've built so far. I'm happy with the culture and the reputation that we have. I'm grateful that we got techs that have been a part of Adam's Automotive for 20 years. I'm glad that we've got people that still can feel like this is home and want to show up to work early every day and stay later and don't feel like it's a burden because they actually have found community in our company.
Like, that's the, that's the kind of space that you get to be in when you stay grateful. So I hope that this week, starting today, I don't want you to start tomorrow. You got a notepad somewhere if you're listening. I bet there's one within 5 feet of you and a pen. Go grab a notepad and just start writing down things you're grateful for.
I bet you would run out of pages before you run out of things. That's right, man. I love what you said about you have to release the control. You know, it's like, yeah, especially if you're a Christian, you know, for those of you that are listening to this that are a believer already, it's like if you've heard God's promise and then, you know, you're not— I don't want to invalidate suffering people that have anxiety, but like if you've heard his promise and you just— it's like you literally are choosing not to believe it.
Kind of in a way like, hey, like, I hear you, God, but like, I don't believe you. Like, I'm still gonna worry till midnight about this, this, and this. That doesn't make it any easier. Don't wanna victim blame or anything, but like, I've certainly felt that way. It's like, have I not proven it enough? It's sometimes, you know, 'cause I've been in this 6 years now, and it's like the most, and I hope there's somebody listening to this that, you know, this resonates with them, like growing a business and running a business is the most sanctifying experience of my life, uh, you know, because it is so far-reaching now and beyond my control, um, that
I like literally have no choice sometimes, uh, in order to cope with the anxiety of it all other than to like just trust that God's gonna take care of our family. Yeah. And, uh, and my dad, you know, I talked to my dad about this. He's like, you just get used to it after a while. He's like, I don't know. He's like, I don't know anything different.
I've been doing 40-something years, um, at a certain point it's just beyond what you are capable of handling, and you just have no choice but to, uh, um, trust that God's gonna take care of you. Yeah, so that's great. All right, cool, man. And also, man, thank you for your transparency, man. I appreciate it. I hope it's going to help a lot of people that are out there listening.
Yeah, 100%. So I think that— I think we're up on time. So, uh, Devonte, you wanna— you wanna pray us out as we go into the week? Yeah, absolutely. Father, in the name of Jesus, thank you so much for this incredible week. God, I thank you that we would be fully present today God, focusing on today, knowing that you clothe the lilies of the valley, Lord, you feed the birds of the air, and you— we matter so much more to you than that.
Um, God, I thank you that we will worry about today because today has enough trouble, God. But ultimately, Father, I thank you that, um, everybody that is dealing with some level of mental health or anxiety or anything like that, God, that you would heal them. Heal them with your word, with your truth, knowing that you have them in the palm of your hand, that you have everything under control.
God be with him this week, in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Well, this has been, uh, another Sunday with, uh, Auto Shop Ministries and Devonte. We're going to read our favorite verse, which is, uh, Numbers 6:24-26. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face shine on you and be gracious to you. And may the Lord turn his face towards you and give us— give you his peace.
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If you notice any inaccuracies, please contact us at marketing@wearetheinstitute.com. Episode Transcript: Jimmy Lea: Hello, welcome. Glad to be with you today. It is Wednesday, so excited for Webinar Wednesday. Coming to you live from the road. I'm in Eugene, Oregon, here at Brian Slater's shop in Eugene, Oregon. This is the North Eugene Auto Repair in in Eugene, and so coming to you from the road. Thank you, Brian. Jimmy Lea: Appreciate you letting me use your office today as we're out and about visiting shops. It's just an awesome, gorgeous weather here in northern U- northern... no. I was gonna say northern Utah. I'm not in northern Utah. I'm in Eugene, Oregon, and this is not northern Utah, but it is gorgeous weather. Jimmy Lea: So if you don't have gorgeous weather where you are, you wish you were here. We're gonna have a great conversation today. Those of you who have comments, questions, comments, put them into the chat section. That chat section comments allows us to have this conversation back and forth. I will be the voice for You've got questions, comments, concerns for our guest, want to make sure that those are voiced for you, put them in the comments section. Jimmy Lea: My guest with us today is ever-present, ever-linguist, Mr. Craig O'Neill of AutoFlow. Craig, how the heck are you, brother? Craig O'Neill: I'm really good, Jimmy. Really good. I was actually thinking northern Utah, as you mentioned Utah, even though it was Oregon. Both places are beautiful. I can't blame you for the distinction issue there. Craig O'Neill: That was- that's all right. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. No it is absolutely gorgeous up here. Now, I will tell you that there is a large lack of mountains in Eugene, Oregon- ... Jimmy Lea: That northern Utah does have, is bounteous mountains. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. A lot of them. Yeah. I can't wait. Ogden, a couple, next month. Next month now is October. Jimmy Lea: Yes. October for the Mars Conference. Craig O'Neill: Yep. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Yes. Speaking of Mars Conferences we're gonna put up a QR code for the Mars Conference. If you scan this QR code, it will get you right onto our registration page, and those sticking around to the very end, there is this very special, very unique offer for anybody who wants to attend the Mars Conference. Jimmy Lea: So stick around, scan the QR code. Save that in your smartphones. We are gonna have a great conversation about marketing. Craig is one of our presenters at the Mars Conference, and super excited for Craig to be here. Craig and I have known each other for a couple of years now, and worked together at a couple of companies, and- Jimmy Lea: glad that we are able to still be friends here in this wonderful industry that we call home. Craig, what are we talking about today? Craig O'Neill: Jimmy, this is the, one of my favorite topics to go into. We're talking about CRM systems, of course. Now I have some opinions about CRM systems. Both of us come from a background that deals in these systems. Craig O'Neill: You have opinions as well, and you have some observations, and my observation is simply this: the systems themselves are capable of some pretty cool things- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... Craig O'Neill: but we aren't using them very well. The it's not broken, they're being misused, is the title of our conversation today. Your CRM isn't broken, it's being misused. Craig O'Neill: And I don't like to walk into a conversation with "Oh, you're doing something wrong", or on the opposite side of it, I don't like to walk into a conversation as you guys are doing it right. You're just fine, but other people are doing it..." Like I, I've used stuff wrong. I've made mistakes in how I leverage the different systems and tools that are available, and I just believe, and I hope you just go along with us today, there might be a better way than our way that we're approaching it now. Craig O'Neill: Be open to that. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Be open to it, because what they're, what you as a shop may be doing today is working. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. It's not even a debate. It is getting results of a certain level and type that are appearing to be adequate. Jimmy Lea: Adequate for today. And hopefully with this conversation that you and I are gonna have as we talk about the customer relationship management software Hopefully there's something we can expose shops to that might say, "Hey, maybe there is a different way of doing this." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: So what are these ways? What are the five mistakes that shops make the most, or not the mistakes. What, how can we help these shops improve? Sure. I would call Craig O'Neill: them hurdles that we have to get over, right? Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. This one it's an opportunity for us to make it better. It's an opportunity to make it better. Jimmy Lea: This is what it is. It's not a mistake. You're not doing it wrong. Consider this. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. We're gonna talk about a lot of things on this, and I think before we even get into those hurdles, let's talk about the nature of communication today. Yeah. People's attention span today, because I think that there's a couple of different things that we need to understand. Craig O'Neill: And first off, let's talk about why we even wanna leverage a CRM system. And for many shops, you might have a sustainable s- sort of automatic practice here, but when you're a busy shop, you feel very successful, and then all of a sudden things are not as busy as they are. This happens to all of us. All the time. Craig O'Neill: We've ... shop, Jimmy, our transmission shop, family business that I came up, down into grew up in, and like we never had a slow spell. The shops around us always had those little slow spells, and we're like, "Yeah, we don't." And that was a good feeling until it happened to us, too. So we're all vulnerable to it, and the knee-jerk reaction that I see is this. Craig O'Neill: People as eventually hit that slow spell. They check, see if other people are experiencing it, too. We comfort ourselves with the fact that others are doing it, defining it as a, a market-wide symptom of broader events that we have no control over. And so then we can just comfort ourselves with another idea. Craig O'Neill: It's like, "Ah, it'll come back around." And I heard this over, and over again from my family who is owner of the business, my, my dad and my grandpa, because that has been the experience. It always comes back around. Why would we ever be okay with the fact that a slow spell also technically always comes back around? Craig O'Neill: And if our knee-jerk reaction to those moments is then to go into a, a degree of marketing or a degree of follow-up or a mass blast text strategy, like I see a lot of people fall into is like, "Huh, the work needs to be drummed up. We'll turn to our CRM system. We'll construct the perfect message and send it out, and then people will make appointments and fill our bays." Craig O'Neill: Sound familiar? Jimmy Lea: Oh, it does. It does. And if we know those, those times are gonna come back around because it's cyclical, what are we doing? We... It- Yeah ... is preventable. What are we doing that we can prevent this from happening and being that cyclical item? Because- Craig O'Neill: This is, this goes straight into it, because what I see people doing with the knee-jerk response is they're actually crippling their ability to handle the cycles of this. Craig O'Neill: When you do a knee-jerk text blast response, what's the number one reaction that you get to it every single time? Opt-outs. They are the most common reaction to this, and that's what I... If you go on the socials and you look on comment threads of shop owners experiencing a slow spell, they're asking each other "What's the perfect message that you can type out that gets fewer opt-outs and more appointments?" Craig O'Neill: There isn't one. There is no perfect message that gets X number of people. The ratio will never be the same in two demographics with unique people being the customers or clients in every one of the unique repair facilities that we have. There is no perfect message. Jimmy Lea: No. They're not. They're looking for that silver bullet, Craig. Craig O'Neill: Yes. It's silver bullet is the right term for this, and I discussed this on my podcast in an early episode of the podcast Speak Up: Effective Communication on the Automotive Repair Podcast Network. It was episode 14. I said, "What your opt-outs are really telling you," and I think that what they are telling us is something we need to listen to. Craig O'Neill: So now on that, let's move into the attention span of the people in the world today versus the past. And Jimmy, I love to read. I love deep thoughts, and we're gonna get philosophical for a second. I know you don't mind. Love it. We love this. Yeah. Let's Jimmy Lea: go. Craig O'Neill: Signature classic, C.S. Lewis. One of my favorites, Screwtape Letters. Craig O'Neill: In the early chapters in that book it's describing... I won't go into the details of Screwtape Letters, but the way that you distract someone if you're trying to distract them from serious thoughts in C.S. Lewis' time period was, and I'll quote here from the book that- Got the guy to think he was hungry, and then I showed him a newsboy shouting, "The midday paper," and the number 73 bus going past, and before he reached the bottom of the steps, I had him into an unalterable conviction that whatever odd ideas might come into the man's head when he was shut up alone with his books, a healthy dose of real life, which he meant by the bus and the newsboy, was enough to show him that all that sort of thing just couldn't be true. Craig O'Neill: He knew he had a narrow escape, and then years later was fond of talking about it. I w- I'll skip ahead. But thanks to the process which we set at work in them centuries ago, they find it all but impossible to believe in the unfamiliar while the familiar is before their eyes. So this is hard to digest 'cause it's C.S. Craig O'Neill: Lewis. You... It's like a tough piece of wonderful, awesome, the best flavor steak in the world that you gotta chew on a whole lot of times before you can actually get to digesting it. But the point is, C.S. Lewis's era, the distraction was you wanted to get them into this stream of events and that's your business is to fix his attention on the stream. Craig O'Neill: Teach it to call it real life, and don't let him ask what it means by real. And that stream is exactly what people are having today. This is a word used by C.S. Lewis before streaming like we are on a webinar, streaming across the web even existed. What distracted a man? Just being on the street with a bus and a newsboy shouting. Craig O'Neill: That's yesterday. That's 1940s United Kingdom, actually, in C.S. Lewis' time. Let's fast-forward Johann Hari's book, Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention and How to Think Deeply Again, absolutely nails the same point in the modern age and puts a name to it with this term called the f- this frenetic digital interruption, and he says, "Is pulling our attention away from our thoughts and suppressing your default mode network," cool term. Craig O'Neill: I think we're almost in this constant stimulus-driven, stimulus-bound environment, moving from one distraction to the next, and if you don't remove yourself from that, it will suppress whatever train of thought you had, right? And I think that frenetic digital distraction really i- it's just, we have to acknowledge this is the reality we're in today, and there's people that are struggling with notifications and attention, and bombarded with media messages. Craig O'Neill: Every news article you read has the pop-up ads. Are we in that same zone like C.S. Lewis, where a newsboy and the sign on a bus is the only thing that could distract our attention? No. We are under a constant 24/7 assault for our attention span today. That's where we're communicating from, and when your shop gets a little slow and you decide you're gonna have a knee-jerk reaction to the slowness, and you expect a message to land that leads to action with a population that's drowning in this reality, would it be any surprise that it only sees marginal results? Jimmy Lea: Is there any irony that it is called streaming? Is there any irony that it's called a reel? No. Craig O'Neill: Jimmy, it's like the oldest problems are always resurfaced again in our lifetimes today- Yep ... with different technology. Jimmy Lea: Oh, it's totally different. And now it's 17-second blurbs about it's a seven-second commercial, it's a 17-second commercial. Jimmy Lea: We're being bombarded with this instant stimuli to totally distract us from what is actually real- Yes ... and consequential, and you're being bombarded by things that are momentary blurbs of Jimmy Lea: Endorphins Craig O'Neill: Yeah. It, and it just- It's a Jimmy Lea: temporary- Craig O'Neill: You're competing with that- Yeah ... tendency too, to escape with these things. You're spot on. This, this topic is why I lead into these five barriers to that are causing us, like the things that we're misusing in our CRMs, right? Yeah. I consider them barriers or hurdles because we can get over them. Craig O'Neill: Yeah ... and we can decide to lever it right. And number one and we have a slide for this, so I put it up there. I know some people like to read and some people can listen. I wanted to put this quote on there because... And I'm gonna, fatal sin of speakers, I'm gonna read the quote. I know it's on the slide, but I know some of you can't see it, and I know some of you are only listening. Craig O'Neill: Yes. I can't read it. Oh, Jimmy, I'm sorry. It's too small. Too small? Oh, that's okay. That's why I'm here. Yeah. So- You can Jimmy Lea: read all of them. Read all of Craig O'Neill: them ... it's a big meaty slide. Problem number one though is we're not communicating to people on what matters to them. That's the problem. And to reference this point the, a great read, and please write this down, pick up this book, How to Win Friends and Influence People in the Digital Age. Craig O'Neill: Amen. If you're interested in this topic at all, read that book. It's from the Dale Carnegie and Associates. So updated for the digital age. There's so many profoundly good things in this, and this is a quote I pulled straight from the book, and I wanna make sure it gets its proper reference there. Craig O'Neill: But it says, "When it comes to mattering to others, you must discuss what matters to them. Assume all else will fall on deaf, or in this case, dull ears. This is an interesting principle to consider given the spirit in which the vast majority of people are communicating today. Most messages are primarily meant to educate others about our lives, our products, to reveal compelling portions of ourselves we think others would be attracted to. Craig O'Neill: While this appears to be an assertive strategy, it is actually a passive strategy in that it requires others to connect with us." "The trouble is that's marketing monologue, not relational dialogue. It's assumption, not assimilation. When assumption guides our efforts to befriend or influence others, the results end up on the wrong side of memorable." Craig O'Neill: Okay. End quote. That is that's another, like I'm giving you solid food to digest today. That's, that's- ... we don't have time to go this layer of depth in our presentation at Mars, so that's why I'm really happy to have this conversation today. It's a primer. If you walk in primed with some of these thoughts, you're gonna be able to get a lot more out of it. Craig O'Neill: But here's where I go with this. We are communicating from a position of our interests most of the time in the auto repair shop. When it slows down, we're interested in filling our bay. If we were really interested in having those customers come in, we would have done the harder work of relating and documenting and managing the data, all sorts of things differently to have a sustained conversation that they understood the value in, because we understand what's important to them. Craig O'Neill: And that's a whole different thing, and that's gonna come up again as we move into these, these other hurdles. But I think that's the thing, first and foremost, remember what messages right now are you pushing out there that are not memorable? I didn't give this in the slide, but I have an example recently, Jimmy very recently. Craig O'Neill: I turned 43 earlier in August, and I'm not on social media these days. The one thing that was fun is getting all those birthday harvests. You know how you get all the happy birthday thing. It's actually a lot of work. Yeah. Then you gotta go like everything and all that stuff too. But don't worry, I don't miss that entirely because I have been a patron in local businesses that have CRM systems in my neighborhood chiefly my Subaru dealership where we have a, a vehicle leased presently. Craig O'Neill: And I got three happy birthday emails from three separate people in that organization. Two of them were identical emails automatically constructed, and there was a neat little quote in the bottom of one of those emails. It actually said, "This email is automatically generated, and we do not monitor replies to it." Jimmy Lea: Oh my God. That's- Craig O'Neill: But it was a beautiful picture of balloons with the branding of that dealership on it. Oh, it was touching. It was such a great birthday blessing to receive that on Sunday afternoon. Jimmy Lea: Had it been from an actual person and not an automated system would've made it even better, but... Craig O'Neill: Sure. But does the birthday greeting from a business actually land on the memorable side of communication, or is it a cheap and simple automated gimmick to feign that you care with a direct interest that is more for the business's benefit rather than it is for my birthday, right? Craig O'Neill: Congratulations, you captured my birth date in a data field in a system that is automated to generate a joy, because I don't unsubscribe because I love these examples. It really was a gift for me that I get to use and communicate from. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. And that's good. That's good. Craig O'Neill: But no, this is a common thing, and we've we've seen this strategy. Craig O'Neill: You and I have been in the CRM space for a while, and you've seen that given as a best practice. We wanna capture the, birth date and month, not the year. Birth date and month. And then you can have these sort of birthday messages go out. All right, maybe you have that strategy applied in your shop. Craig O'Neill: Is that a wrongness? No. Maybe some people really appreciate it. I think a lot of people don't give it a second thought, and that's the majority. Jimmy Lea: They probably don't, but they also aren't sending it from an email that is not being monitored and not gonna reply. Craig O'Neill: Let's hope not. Yeah. ' Jimmy Lea: Cause if Jimmy's Super Shop were to send you a happy birthday message, it would purely be a happy birthday message. Jimmy Lea: There's no other ulterior motives whatsoever. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Jimmy- And you would reply and say, "Oh, thank you so much, Jimmy's Super Shop." We would reply again to say Craig O'Neill: I would hope so. Yeah. Now, my experience in birthdays are one thing, but all sorts of messages. I know when CRM automation occurs, and I'll touch on this at Mars a little bit further the team is not engaged in that part of the process, and it's difficult for them to engage in the inbound Present Jimmy Lea: conversation. Jimmy Lea: Yeah Craig O'Neill: Yep. There's a, a loss of continuity there. So I do feel a lot of times there's automated things going out from a shop, but there is actually no behavior that is being encouraged or directed or accountable any accountability layer for the team to be a participant in that. So it does play in that. Craig O'Neill: But this goes to number two which I think is at the root of the whole problem, and this is, again, another quote from the Dale Carnegie and Associates. First off, problem number two we're not cultivating a community, and this, this principle comes for me from my study in this book. And as I was reading that book, assessing how shops are leveraging CRMs, this stuck out. Craig O'Neill: And it says, and I quote, "Often forgotten is the long-term plan. Businesses call it a customer retention strategy, but it is best thought of as a lively, meaningful dialogue among a community of friends. If the foundation of all long-term success is the establishment of trust-based relationships, then the goal of all interactions should be to convey value as soon and as often as possible." Jimmy Lea: Not just birthdays. Craig O'Neill: Not just birthdays as a data field. What's meaningful for a client in a repair shop? What's meaningful to them in a repair shop? What is the purpose in our community, and how are you articulating the value of staying in touch so we can continue to express what this purpose is and how it benefits you? Craig O'Neill: And by the way, Mr. Client, it's very important, save this number in your phone so that you recognize that we're a contact 'cause you can reach out to us here, and we're gonna be here if you have any questions. And that's starting to get to the sense of community here. And Jimmy, this is getting more important. Craig O'Neill: In today's world, here's a tip for y'all right now. I want you to open up your phone, go to your text message app, look at the spam folder How many messages do you have in the spam folder of your messages app, whether you're using Android or Apple, does not matter. Automatically, messages are going straight to those folders with default settings from the phone's operating system and device. Craig O'Neill: There's a bunch in there, and a lot of it probably is spam, correct, Jimmy? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I'm pretty sure all of it's spam. Craig O'Neill: A lot of times it's very accurate in mine. I- I've only on occasion seen one or two messages in there. Here's how your shop is gonna land in the spam folder. If the client never accepts you as a contact and never engages in the dialogue with you in text. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: And so the manifestation of this, and I've started to see more of this recently, very recently, just this summer people sending a DVI link to their client, for example, but the client claims they never got it. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: But they do receive- Because it went to spam ... messages without the link went to the spam folder because sometimes those links are just being interpreted when it's not saved as a contact. Craig O'Neill: The solution is to get it saved as a contact. Interesting little issue, but that takes a little effort, doesn't it, to keep your client- Yeah ... to add you as a contact. There's some cool tools to do that, simple QR code scans, and lots of things we can do at the counter to help people through this problem. Craig O'Neill: But we need our advisors to express the importance of the communication and why they should want it before they'll ever accept it as a contact. Jimmy Lea: That's right. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So interesting, right? So I think that cultivation of a community, that's the easy entry point. Help them understand the value of the communication that's coming and why we're going to be reaching you and make sure they actually do want it. Craig O'Neill: And that leads perfectly into hurdle number three. Hurdle number three is we are not gaining an opt-in for the purpose we seek. And Jimmy, you know this is true across the board generally for opt-ins and shop capturing, and we're gonna talk just a minute about this here as well. We'll do this after the next point. Craig O'Neill: The next point is a strong one on this. But you want the customer to want the message from you. Yeah. Does that happen automatically that they understand what you're going to be sending them and why you're going to be sending it? Jimmy Lea: Not unless you explain it. Craig O'Neill: Not unless you explain it. What's the value in it for them? Craig O'Neill: Why is there a benefit for them to be on a list in your shop for a certain type of message? I used an example earlier about text blast when it gets slow. And the mistake I see the most, Jimmy, is that shops literally have their all or repeat customer list, and they just hit this whole list with this message like, "Hey, we're slow. Craig O'Neill: Come in." Yeah. What if... just go with me here. Love it. What if you created a list that people could sign up and subscribe to in your shop? It's like, "Hey, if you wanna join our slow day list, there's a couple advantages of this. If you wanna just you have a few lingering maintenance items type of a thing, and we have openings we have a... 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Yeah, you could call it your membership list. Whatever. You go crazy. Have fun with it. Communicate the value of it. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And you have some- My wife does this at art shows. She sells her art in these art shows, and she's found that even just the placement of the sign-up form matters. Like, when it's front and center, people who are waiting in line for the checkout now are able to sign into that book while they're waiting for their turn to check out with the art, and she gets way more signups for her email list. Craig O'Neill: Love it. It's perfect. Yeah, and similar practices are totally possible still today, but what do shops do? We automatically assume everyone wants to get any type of message we wanna have for any purpose, and we never clarify or distinguish any special type of thing, and thus they never get the opt-in. Craig O'Neill: And thus, what are your opt-outs telling you? Man, that's their first chance to talk to you about their preference for the type of communication you send. And you know what happens in an opt-out, Jimmy. You know as well as I do. That number's blacklisted at the carrier level. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: That's hard to undo. Now you gotta communicate to them about the value of reengaging in that by texting the word start to this number, and that's a harder thing for a busy service advisor or customer service rep to be able to engage in. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No, it's true. It's true. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: We've gotta communicate with them on the level they want in the form that they want. And sometimes those opt-outs are them saying, "Look, I just don't want to communicate in this method." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: But what do they prefer? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Might Craig O'Neill: be. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: What's the conversation? Where have you built the relationship to continue that conversation on their preferred platform? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Look, I cooked my cellphone a long time ago doing demos of AutoFlow at, with multiple instances. Now I get texts that I forget to clear out of their thing all the time. That texting's not the best way to get me during the day. I am, however, in my inbox. And I promise you, you have clients that's the same thing for them too. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Or they don't even want... Now, go with me here. What if we had a list of people who prefer a phone call follow-up, Jimmy? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. And there are. Craig O'Neill: Yes. Jimmy Lea: There's people that's what they would prefer. Craig O'Neill: Yes. 100% yes. And if you don't get the buy-in from that group, and you think everyone wants a phone call follow-up we already do this- You're wrong Craig O'Neill: at Chris' shop, Jimmy. Yeah. You wanna know in about 90 to 120 follow-up calls that we do in a week there we have a gal doing this for us, for Golden Rule Auto Care. Yeah. We get about 10 to 15% of those calls that go out end up with good connections. Like a good conversation. Jimmy Lea: Oh, they actually answer the phone and have a Craig O'Neill: conversation. Craig O'Neill: Actually answer the phone and have a conversation. Only 10 to 15% 10 to 15. Around 120 calls. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. I, Craig O'Neill: I- Not a huge number. Jimmy Lea: No, it's not. Because people are busy, and they don't wanna be interrupted. And those that want the conversations, they're the ones that answer the phone. And the other 80, 85%, 90% prefer a text message or an email or a Facebook message or purely nothing at all. Jimmy Lea: Thank you very much. Goodbye. Craig O'Neill: Let me ask you this, Jimmy. You got it, man. And when you get a phone call today from a number that's not a contact in your phone- ... do you answer it? Jimmy Lea: Voicemail. No. I- Craig O'Neill: Or screening? Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: I found the you push the two buttons on both sides, boop, right into voicemail. Done. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. I, I have, one of the call screener things on mine now. If it's not a contact, it hits that pretty much automatically. I don't answer my phone. I don't answer my phone. I then check to see the missed call, and if it is something important, I'll call it back. That's the world we're entering, and it's the same principle that we just discussed with that text message that i- if they darn a contact, same is true for the phone number that you're dialing from. Craig O'Neill: If that hasn't yet been saved as a contact, look, guys, your call isn't gonna be trusted yet. Area codes that are mine are the least trusted. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yes. But that's the world now, and we have to be able to recognize that and combat that. Yeah ... but that involves becoming that contact, agreeing to that type of conversation, and maybe making a note somewhere in your management or CRM system about those preferred lev- levels of contact. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So- that's the hard work here, and I understand why shops that are low staff or only have one service advisor to five technicians, and he's also the CSR, and he handles payroll because he's also the owner, and yeah, it gets really tough really fast. And you have opportunity there when you're overwhelmed to hire someone else who can do these things, that's gonna add value to your business. Craig O'Neill: They'll be able to help cultivate these lists, which ke- it's more retention, guarantees you have the income and the cashflow to be able to support their livelihood, and everything gets better. But the starting point's really tough. Problem Jimmy Lea: Number four Craig O'Neill: Let's go. All right, this one's key. Mass blasts- Oh Craig O'Neill: without express written permission are against the law. True. And this is- True ... the really bonkers part of this is shops are loosely aware of this and yet they do it anyway. I forget what the fine is right now, and I'm not a lawyer. I'm not giving legal advice. Just disclaimer on that if you can put it in bold. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, no. But I think it's a $1,500 fine per offense, and if somebody knows that they did not expressly give you permission to text them very specifically- Jimmy Lea: Yep ... Craig O'Neill: text is what we're talking about here. Yep ... that's something they could sue you for and win every time. Notice a lot of the largest organizations out there with multiple locations do not engage in this method of follow-up Jimmy Lea: Because- They Craig O'Neill: know the targets Jimmy Lea: they've lost multiple court cases. Jiffy Lube is one that comes to mind. You can Google it. Court cases where Jiffy Lube had to pay out multimillion dollars because of their mass texting clients. A- and- and what's makes it worse is that they were mass texting clients who had opted out. Craig O'Neill: Oh. Oh, no. Craig O'Neill: So they had a blacklist failure- Yeah ... which is even another thing. So yeah, this is where, okay, you videcoders out there, I know you're out there, and I know you're even playing with APIs from groups like Twilio. And you might think "Cool, we can do texting real easy." Guess what? Start managing your blacklist because Twilio sometimes doesn't do it properly for you. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And the carrier sometimes doesn't do it properly, and it is still you on the hook every time. And if you're giving your software platform to other people to use, your platform, unless it has clear terms and conditions, could also fall under some scrutiny. Oh, boy. It gets sticky. Investigate that. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. It does. It really is. So there's a difference between mass sending a marketing message versus pinpointing and being very specific. Craig O'Neill: Oh, I'm glad you bring this up, Jimmy. Yeah we have a slide on this. So CRM permissions are not actually the same across the board in multiple channels. So the- you probably use terms like transactional versus promotional, Jimmy, I'm sure. Craig O'Neill: But industry terms do vary from- from some- And our industry itself is not usually good at taking universal language- ... Craig O'Neill: And carrying it forward. But these three categories of- of text messages, I put this out. This is I don't have the source on here, but I pulled this source from online. Craig O'Neill: Conversational, informational, promotional. I wanna draw your attention to that blue arrow on the screen. It's kind of a bluish-green arrow, Jimmy. It's on that- Yep ... one, two, three, third row down, where it's talking about how that- that message is constructed. Messages promoting a brand, a product, or a service Or anything that prompts a consumer to buy something, go somewhere, or otherwise take an action. Craig O'Neill: That, if it's in that category, requires express written consent to be legal. Express written consent. Consumers may sign a form, check a box online, or otherwise provide consent to receive promotional text message in some fashion. That express written consent is the highest form of consent, and I haven't met an organization that's tracking it yet. Jimmy Lea: And through the TCPA- Yeah ... which is the act that governs over texting and how you can communicate, it used to be that you had to have a wet signature for that promotional message to go out, and you had to retain it for seven years even after you stopped your business. You still had to have it on file. Jimmy Lea: It's now changed. You can track it digitally. Yes. But you have to be able to provide the source, the date, the time, where it consent was given- Craig O'Neill: Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: for you to send promotional messages. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: conversational, reminders, informational. Now and it's interesting you've got informational broke out here that you do need consent Craig O'Neill: Express consent, which is different than express written consent, and this was interesting to me when I started studying this too, and these things are pretty stable. Craig O'Neill: I don't see this element changing a lot. Yeah. But permission can happen over text on that, or on a form or a website, or verbally, and that's an interesting one. And that's just a message that contains information, just information. It's a status update, it's an appointment confirmation or a reminder. Craig O'Neill: Those types of things are information text, and that's handled- Yeah ... very differently than a promotional marketing text that's asking them to take an action. It tips towards promotional anytime you're asking them to click a link to schedule an appointment, for example, on your slow day blast type of scenario. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. That is a promotional text purely. Even if it's a deferred service reminder. Think about those deferred service drips that people have active in just about every CRM system in the world. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: That is asking the consumer to take an action, and this is exactly the type of thing I will be combating in, in, in our session at Mars 'cause we have a better way forward. Craig O'Neill: We can start talking a little bit about that here too. But those deferred work little drips are... Like, it's a strange thing to do. It's the thing your customer said no to during your visit that we're now assuming they want to receive an, a reminder about without any knowledge that this is coming, and certainly no express written consent. Craig O'Neill: And all of the burden is fully on them to take the action to make something happen about that still deferred work. Yeah. We aren't doing anything. We, in fact, automated the whole thing. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. So what's- Craig O'Neill: It's a passive reminder, as we discussed earlier, right? Jimmy Lea: What's the better way? Are we gonna discuss that here, or are you waiting for Mars? Craig O'Neill: Oh, we can ta- we can talk on it here. So our better way is, it depends on our sense of purpose here, but I think let's go to barrier number five before we talk about that better way, 'cause I think this plays into the whole topic that we're discussing. And this is really the largest barrier, and it is the, the one that I think needs to be overcome before you fix any of the other ones. Craig O'Neill: We don't have our whole organization truly oriented towards retention as a goal What are we oriented towards then? Is the question I like to ask. And if you really stop and you really think about what your organization is structured to achieve, what is it? And it might be what you consider your most important metric might give you a clue. Craig O'Neill: I think it's an interesting question to ask, Jimmy. I do this a lot in different courses. I ask what's the most important metric for a service advisor or for a technician or for this or that?" I like to ask specifically for our front counter staff, whether it be a CSR, a reservationist, a service advisor, whoever we have working our front counter. Craig O'Neill: What is their most important metric? And you get all kinds of answers. You've probably heard every one of them, Jimmy. Closing rate. Those service advisors are like, "I sell 98.92% of all work I ever write up." Terrible stat, by the way, 'cause that's the work you write up. You can artificially inflate your closing rate on sales by writing up what you know will sell. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. But I th- I'm gonna give you my answer. Jimmy Lea: Okay. Craig O'Neill: Your ratio of returning customers Jimmy Lea: Agreed Craig O'Neill: It's your most important statistic Jimmy Lea: If they're not coming back, you're doing something wrong Craig O'Neill: Correct. Yeah, I don't care what your ARO is really. It's an interesting stat to know. You'll establish baselines for all sorts of KPIs. Craig O'Neill: They tell you useful information. But is our goal to sell all of the stuff we find on every visit? And is our team like, "Is that's what's gonna impress the boss? That's what's gonna make him very happy"? Jimmy Lea: No, returning customers. Totally agree. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, because what's the value of one good visit, right? Yeah. Craig O'Neill: What's the value of one visit versus the lifetime value of a client? Jimmy Lea: Yes. The lifetime value has so much more weight to it. Neck and neck. Tens of thousands of dollars versus- Craig O'Neill: Hundreds. Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: hundreds that, for that one visit. Craig O'Neill: Some, yeah. Yeah. And o- I had family accounts, family accounts- Yeah ... literally in the hundreds of thousands with, For Jimmy Lea: the lifetime value? Craig O'Neill: Lifetime value of that particular individual. He had a lot of vehicles in the family. Jimmy Lea: And, What's the family fleet? Craig O'Neill: It's the family fleet ... it's a family fleet. It's Jimmy Lea: a Craig O'Neill: fleet Jimmy Lea: account. Craig O'Neill: Yep. Yep, but even when the kids grew up, they were still coming in as well, too, and that, the lifetime value of the relationships that turn into more things, like, man, if that's true, though, and we do this. Craig O'Neill: Jimmy, we pay lip service to this all the time in our industry. It's a relationship-based business. It is. And then we go and we emphasize we gotta sell this much, and this is our target for sales, and all this other thing, and it's and how much time really are we putting our human attention on our team's human attention in this frenetic age on retention strategy? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. How involved are they in your team right now towards the goal of getting people back in the door from the beginning of that visit to the end of that visit, and what happens in between, the humans involved? And Jimmy, you've been in this industry. It... Most shops, I hear they say, "Hey, my guys aren't gonna use this. Craig O'Neill: I just need this to be automated." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. We'll try and make it sound as personal as possible in that automation, but Craig O'Neill: Yeah, we use those cool little variables. Your service advisor gets filled in with the service advisor's name, all the automated message, and automation has merit. It does. We create, through automation, consistent repeatability of things that we want to have occur That's good, right? Craig O'Neill: It is. Jimmy Lea: Make it personable, and make sure you're responding. Craig O'Neill: And make sure you had a hand in that, and make sure you are responding. Correct. The service advisors know these are going out, they know when it's going out, and they're maybe involved in scanning to see who replied and who didn't, or maybe that's somebody's job in the shop. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And we'll talk about this at Mars a little further. I believe it is somebody's job in the shop. We call... I call it the reservationist. A lot of people have a CSR. Yes ... it's a fun topic because... And it goes deep, and we have podcasts on that too. But dude, it's an orientation thing. It's if it's important to you, you're gonna do something about it. Craig O'Neill: If it's not important to you, you won't do anything about it, and that's the measure that, yeah, like, all right. So I just kinda threw a C.S. Lewis mindset at you. There's like this is one of the things I love about reading some of these, these thinkers, right? It's and of course, he's Christian apologetics and that sort of thing, but he said... Craig O'Neill: i'm breaking it down to just a simple point, like something is important or it's not important at all. Craig O'Neill: That middle ground in this topic, I think this is true, that middle ground's not given to us, which forces us to either have to decide, "Eh, it's really not important and we can continue as we are because we're okay with the results," or, "No, this is a really important topic. Craig O'Neill: Our strategy for getting clients into the shop is of actually critical importance to the ultimate success of our business, and is the most important thing that we should be focusing on to guarantee our success. So we're gonna really put in all of our effort towards this goal instead of just reacting to the chaos, reacting to the things that made it in today." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: Wow. What would happen to your business with that focus? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. Yeah. Man. We wanna exponentially increase it. We wanna rocket fuel this. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: And I wonder what the statistics are. There, there was a, a, a read a while ago that talked about restaurant industry was tracking this. How can they get a client to come back for the second dining experience- Yeah Jimmy Lea: and the third dining experience, and the fourth dining experience? And once they get 'em in for that fourth dining experience, they've got a client for life. Craig O'Neill: True. Yeah. I actually just had a interesting restaurant follow-up. I'm on the email list for one of the sushi joints here in Grand Rapids. I love sushi. Craig O'Neill: Love this place. We go Maru Sushi on Cherry Street. Fantastic. Next time you're in Grand Rapids, wonderful. Love going there with my wife. It's our go-to spot. We had a couple months of a dry spell there where we didn't make it in, and we were busy with art shows and all sorts of stuff. Sure. And I got an email that must have been triggered. Craig O'Neill: It's like their little lost customer reminder. It's like- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... " Craig O'Neill: It's been a while. Here's a free app- appetizer" Okay ... for next, on, on your next visit." It was an interesting follow-up. I thought it was really good. Oh yeah, it has been a while. Man, I want sushi right now, is what I experienced with that. Craig O'Neill: And then, and there's a benefit for me right there in it, and I already wanna go there anyways. It's just been a while. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: It's a great way of getting you back in. I, there, there was the example That the manager would go around and say, "Oh, is this your first time?" They had different colored napkins, so he knew- The servers ask us, they're the new ones that don't recognize us. Jimmy Lea: They ask, "Have you guys been in before?" It's like, "Oh, yeah." Yeah. All right. "You can hold on to the menu. N- unless you need it to show us that you haven't taken the order yet," right? Yeah. Yeah. The the managers are going around and they're giving away, "Hey, on your second visit, make sure you try the cheesecake, and here's a coupon for a free cheesecake." Jimmy Lea: You get me back for a $100 meal for a free cheesecake, is it worth it? Craig O'Neill: Totally. Jimmy Lea: What's that cheesecake cost you? Craig O'Neill: Cheapest marketing. All right. So look- Cheesecake more cost ... how much Jimmy Lea: money Craig O'Neill: do you spend on other marketing efforts for what kind of results? Jimmy Lea: Yeah. And we've got to do the optimizing everywhere. Jimmy Lea: We've got to optimize ourself in all the locations. There's, which is true. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: But also how effective, and it's extremely, ex- extremely effective when they're there at your shop enjoying the experience, you give them a reason to come back. Craig O'Neill: Yes. And I like what you said there, Jimmy, and I think that's worth drawing some out a little further. Craig O'Neill: What you described is what I we have an improv club in our Toastmasters club, so the we play a lot of improv games, and we've been taught the yes and- Yes and ... approach. Yes and. Yes and. It is, it's, so it's a rule in improv where one of the people in your troupe are make something, that's truth now. Craig O'Neill: You react with that. It's not, you can't go combat this thing. It's not this or this. It's these things now have to be recognized as, as connected. The reality of Jimmy Lea: what you create. Combining forces for something good. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So you said- Using that idea ... all networks, all channels, and this is exactly it. Craig O'Neill: This conversation that we're having doesn't say "Oh, yeah, we just master this and we won't need to spend as much money in this other area." That's not necessarily the case. Now, although maybe you have have some restructuring of that, it's you do refine your strategy on how your team is engaging retention, and you continue your outreach efforts, and maybe restructure how your phone call skills and other things go into all the m- effort you did take towards generating leads actually gets converted into real clients that come back again. Jimmy Lea: Oh, yeah. W- I was talking to a shop the other day, "My marketing's not working. My marketing's not working. I need to redo all my marketing." Got digging into his phone call log, discovered 43% of phone calls were- Ooh ... not being answered. No. 43%. Craig O'Neill: This is the world th- that AI assistants are entering. Craig O'Neill: And Jimmy- Yes ... this is this is the deepest, saddest thing in the world for me. AI assistants are one, a thing that is i- in demand and two, that it's sometimes better than the Jimmy Lea: people. If you're not able to answer the phone, you need to figure out either you need a human that's there answering the phone, or you implement this AI answering system- Oh, man Jimmy Lea: that's tied to your point of sale that sees your schedule, that can schedule- Better Craig O'Neill: at containing the context and keeping the notes and everything else ... four different... Jimmy Lea: Absolutely. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, I know. Jimmy Lea: And it's true. If- I do not support the idea that the AI answering your system is going to replace your advisor. Jimmy Lea: Absolutely not. Yeah. Craig O'Neill: No. Jimmy Lea: You do need to answer the phone as quickly as you humanly possibly can, but if you're not able to, that's where you've got this backup that can take care of business. And it's an interesting thing. Craig O'Neill: And this backup Jimmy Lea: is just that. Yeah. It needs to be backup, not plan A. Craig O'Neill: Oh, not plan A. Craig O'Neill: And in fact, you need to be aware And we were having this conversation in our team, too 'cause our sales guys, when they're calling shops, they're hitting AI- Jimmy Lea: Yes ... Craig O'Neill: systems far more frequently than they ever used to, and it's interesting to see that volume go. But simultaneously, we understand, like, how do you feel personally when you call a business and the first thing you get is an AI? Craig O'Neill: Are you happy or a little sad about that? And in an election year right now, it has turned divisive. And we did tailor- trace this back to this really started about two weeks ago. Even in demos where we're talking about AI features- ... the data center issue is coming up. And, like, all these things are, like, top of mind, front and center. Craig O'Neill: "Oh, I can't believe you guys are engaging with AI stuff in this world right now." And it's oh, wow, hot button issue. You have an AI assistant, you probably are gonna have a 50/50 split. I'm y- I'm talking 50/50. Some people will love it and think it's fine or just tolerate it. The other 50% are going to hate it, hate you, and may never call you again. Craig O'Neill: And congratulations, now we're in 2026. Yep. Jimmy Lea: And I, I think the 50/50 might be a little, Craig O'Neill: I'm just thinking about how the elections play out- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... for two different parties. I propose there's probably a 30%, maybe a 33% that loves it, 33%- Fair ... that hates it, and 33% that's in that middle that says, "Ah." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: I Craig O'Neill: would love to see a strong third party too, Jimmy, but that's neither here nor there. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So look at this though. We talked orientation. We don't have a whole organization structured towards retention. Now I had a great coach. Bob Greenwood was my coach. He passed away 2021. And I talk about this frequently. I echo what he taught me a long time ago, and he described our professional responsibility. Craig O'Neill: He asked the question, "What's our job? What's our job? What is your job?" I remember being the technician in the room that raised my hand, and I told him what he was expecting someone in the room to raise their hand and say. Jimmy Lea: Fix cars. " Craig O'Neill: I fix cars." Yep. He pounced. He was ready. This is what he did. I've seen him do it multiple conversations after that. Craig O'Neill: He said, "No. Your job, your professional responsibility, is to make sure the vehicle's safe, reliable, and efficient. That's the job. And that, Mr. Client, is why we do a multi-point inspection on every vehicle that we do, and we will send this digitally to you, and we won't let you down." And there's lots more that goes into that, but there's a whole underlaying sense of purpose about the service that we provided. Craig O'Neill: And if that is our job, to make sure the vehicle's safe, reliable, and efficient, we owe it to our customers to be participants in that- Yeah ... as a member of the community of which they are also driving in. It has direct benefits to us and the other people we love on the streets. But that's an orientation, right? Craig O'Neill: And if that is what you believe about your purpose in this industry- Amen ... yeah, we're gonna start following up with the strong ability to communicate that sense of purpose, and people will hear the conviction in there and that commitment that you made to not letting them down. And that is not going to be heard in your competitors. Craig O'Neill: If you master this, and you don't, you will stand out, I promise you. Jimmy Lea: It's true. It's true. Yeah. Craig, this is a, a phenomenal conversation that we're having, talking about all things marketing, customers, customer relationships. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Managing those relationships, communicating in their preferred method, form, and fashion. Jimmy Lea: This is gonna continue in our Mars Conference. I can't wait. Let's throw up that QR code again. If you are able to attend, and you are listening to this, today is... What day is today? Craig O'Neill: Today is the 9th. Jimmy Lea: September 9th It's called Wednesday. September 9th, intensive giveaway winners. Oh, don't forget the giveaway winners here, Craig. Jimmy Lea: We've- Oh ... le- but- Great Do you wanna announce the winners first, or do you wanna announce the the special giveaway for everybody listening? Craig O'Neill: Let's do the winners first, Jimmy. I'm excited. 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We have great food in between, and then there's breakout sessions afterward where we get to go and break out into groups and discuss everything that's done. Craig O'Neill: No one's missing any of the context from any of the presentations. It's not like you're in one session and then another session is going on and "Man, that would've been a cool talk too, but this is really good." You don't have any fear of missing out on anything that's happening. Everybody's a participant the whole way. Craig O'Neill: It's awesome. Jimmy Lea: Oh, and I love the, the vendors are included. Everyone is in the same- Yeah ... room, and we're having these conversations together. It's not just shop owner to shop owner point of view. We get everybody's point of view in on these conversations- Yeah ... which is super awesome. All right. So if you scan this QR code, grab out your smartphone, scan this QR code, this is a coupon. Jimmy Lea: It is on- coupon, oh, I hate calling it that. Yeah. This is a special member VIP. Because you are watching this webinar, this is a cu- the, this code is good until 12:00 AM tomorrow morning, Pacific Daylight Time The code is, and I have to switch over to my other computer, the code is Mars300. This is $300 off of the general admission pricing. Jimmy Lea: So you and a- anybody of the public that is out there, you will get the webinar, the the whole entire intensive, Mars Intensive at the institute member pricing. So use the code Mars, M-A-R-S 300, and that is good until, for in the next, what? 12 hours? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Where are we? 10, 12- And after Jimmy Lea: you fill that out- Oh, 13 hours. Jimmy Lea: You got 13 hours. Ready, set, go. Go ahead ... after Craig O'Neill: you fill that out, email us and I will tell you my favorite two sushi joints in Ogden, Utah, and maybe we can even grab a bite there. Jimmy Lea: Ooh, that's great. And you know what? We do have a couple of more tickets available. There's not a lot, but there are a few more tickets available for that exclusive dinner with Cecil Bullard. Craig O'Neill: Nice. Jimmy Lea: We're gonna have some great conversations. Those that are speakers are invited to be able to be part of this conversation and it's an exclusive dinner with Cecil, so you're gonna have some really good, intense, great conversations with the speakers of the event, with Cecil being there. These are gonna be some really good focused conversations. Jimmy Lea: Those Craig O'Neill: are my favorite moments, Jimmy. Yeah, the event is one thing, but the conversations that happen throughout and at dinners these... If you're not frequently going to industry events like this is... You owe it to yourself to do this. The ideas that you get to go back with are phenomenal, and the connections that you make and the sense of community that you feel that, that's permanent Jimmy Lea: Agreed. Jimmy Lea: Agreed. Couldn't have said it better. Thank you, Craig. Oh, yeah. Congratulations to Preston. Congratulations to Jordan. Look forward to seeing you in Ogden, Utah, October 26th, 27th and 28th, right before SEMA Apex. And for those who are the adventurous types rent a car. Let's go drive down through Zion and Bryce Canyon and- Yes Jimmy Lea: I'm sure Craig Craig O'Neill: and- Zion. If you haven't been to Zion National Park, what is that place? It is beautiful. It is. Southern Utah, phenomenal, dude. I could go... We have another hour here, so we can just talk about Southern Utah. Man, dude- ... you guys have got the pocket of beauty in this world. It is phenomenal. Craig O'Neill: Like- Jimmy Lea: It's gorgeous. Yeah. It is gorgeous. Craig O'Neill: Absolutely. You will... And Salt Lake City's no joke either. You fly in there, you're gonna think, "This is amazing," and it is. And then you go to Southern Utah and you think "What is... It gets better?" Jimmy Lea: Yep. Yep. Glad you had a great experience with your family down there in Southern Utah. Craig O'Neill: Dude, my wife and I are flying out a little early. We're staying through the weekend before the Mars Intensive we're gonna be hiking some hills then too. It's hard to get the bigger hikes in between the event stuff. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Craig O'Neill: It gets dark- Yes, it is ... it gets hard on the mountain. Jimmy Lea: It does. It does. Jimmy Lea: Even with that, it's not quite enough. I got you. With that, thank you, Craig. I appreciate you being here, brother. Oh, thanks. Thank you so much. Look forward to Mars- Can't wait ... the Mars Intensive. Let's continue this conversation. Let's get in deeper with these conversations and have a great time. I will see you there. Jimmy Lea: Thank you, everybody. See Craig O'Neill: you soon.
Shop Owners: Maybe YOU'RE the Problem | Tristin Sweeney - 38
Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOAt 29 years old, Tristin Sweeney is running an auto repair shop, building automotive technology, and questioning some of the industry's favorite excuses. In this episode, Tonnika Haynes talks with Tristin about his unconventional path from the startup world into automotive, acquiring Honest Automotive, building Shift, and why owning a shop became the ultimate testing ground for solving real industry problems. But things get spicy when they tackle the supposed technician shortage, outdated hiring practices, shop owners blaming younger generations, and why good employees may be leaving shops that refuse to change. They also dig into AI, technician training, communication, leadership, burnout, and why new technology should solve problems instead of creating more work. If you're a shop owner who keeps saying, “Nobody wants to work anymore,” this conversation might make you look in the mirror.Timestamps:00:00 Why automotive has become unattractive to work in00:23 Downshift intro00:42 Meet Tristin Sweeney: 29, busy, and obsessed with automotive01:23 Audi, Volkswagens, and where the car obsession started03:15 Can you be a great service advisor without knowing cars?04:40 There are more automotive careers than turning wrenches06:26 From tech startups to the automotive industry07:17 Getting laid off, joining ShopGenie, and finding his industry09:17 Running TWO automotive businesses at 2910:11 How Tristin bought Honest Automotive after finding it on Facebook14:01 Has shop ownership given him gray hair yet?14:32 Building a shop around passion and customer experience16:21 Honest Automotive is also Tristin’s “laboratory”16:48 How Shift Automotive was born18:19 Building software from the problems that drive shop owners crazy19:10 Technology problem or people problem?20:17 How does someone working 60–70 hours a week avoid burnout?22:55 Success isn’t worth burning yourself out by 3023:19 Tonnika gets VERY personal about Tristin having kids 😂25:32 Why Tristin is committed to automotive for the long haul28:53 Shift grows to more than 150 shops30:02 Why simply SHOWING UP can change your career31:21 The “Gen Z stare” and learning how to communicate33:34 Get in rooms where you’re uncomfortable37:04 What will automotive look like 10 years from now?41:11 Shop owners who ignore AI WILL get left behind42:43 How should shops prepare technicians for new technology?43:27 Does every tech need to understand the newest cars right now?45:48 Why the next generation matters more than ever47:58 What does a technician actually need to “look like”?48:48 Is the technician shortage actually a hiring problem?49:48 How many great technicians are shops overlooking?50:48 “I hire people. I don’t hire jobs.”52:00 Why automotive can be an unattractive place to work54:18 Great shops generally aren’t struggling to find applicants54:51 The talent is out there—and some of them want to leave their current shop55:55 If recruiters can steal your technicians, that’s a YOU problem56:04 Most shop problems start with the owner57:30 Accepting criticism from your employees—even your own son58:03 Old-school leadership vs. the way Tonnika leads today59:33 The macaroni-and-cheese recipe for evolving a family business1:01:47 Is treating every employee differently “coddling”?1:03:50 Why one universal pay plan doesn’t work for everyone1:04:39 Flexible schedules, flat rate, salary, and what actually motivates people1:07:08 Shop owners who refuse to compromise may lose great technicians1:07:56 Bad bosses create the next generation of bad bosses1:08:21 Why leadership and communication have to be learned1:13:00 Stop micromanaging every detail of your shop1:14:22 “Granddad did it that way” isn’t a good enough reason anymore1:15:28 The Carfax data debate gets spicy 😂1:16:24 What Carfax actually gets from your shop1:17:47 Tonnika’s grandfather discovers OnStar and thinks “they’re coming for him”1:19:03 Technology fear usually comes from misunderstanding1:19:45 Tristin’s legacy: Leave automotive better than he found it1:20:00 Where to find Honest Automotive and Shift Automotive1:21:22 Closing, AI hot takes, and what’s next
Why Young Technicians Keep Failing | Riley Spence - Ep 36
Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HERE00:00 Meet Riley Spence and the dangers of reading internet comments03:12 Starting in the automotive industry at 14 years old04:54 Learning from mistakes, trouble, and a different career path06:06 Moving from turning wrenches into service and parts management07:36 Being promoted without training, procedures, or support08:21 Are service advisors really doing the easier job?09:52 How technician roles differ between dealerships, independents, and fleets12:31 Front and back must work together—not against each other14:35 Ego, arguments, and the shop cultures nobody wants17:23 Why Riley loves his current shop and the people around him18:34 Not every mentor is right for every apprentice19:02 Riley admits how ego hurt him as a young technician20:11 What Tonnika tells young employees who ask for help but won’t listen22:20 Making mistakes, slowing down, and learning without giving up24:20 What happens when a technician oversells their abilities25:51 Tonnika’s “green banana” scale for inexperienced technicians26:54 Do experienced technicians actually want to teach the next generation?28:30 The most important lesson for apprentices: shut up and listen30:00 Could an experienced technician learn from a 20-year-old apprentice?33:00 How younger employees can make an entire shop better35:18 Accountability, respect, and preparing young people for the workforce37:42 Mental health is real—but it cannot erase accountability41:04 Work-life balance and creating a safe place for technicians to talk44:10 Riley shares a costly mistake involving a car with no brake pedal47:52 The high-school dropout who became a talented technician50:35 Finding potential in unexpected employees51:24 How shops can make automotive careers more attractive53:01 Tool allowances and helping young technicians build a toolbox54:45 Why shops need to invest in training55:20 Technicians don’t have to wait for their employer to educate them58:40 Don’t let a bad shop stop your career growth01:03:00 Why support at home matters in a demanding automotive career01:05:11 Parenting your own children is not “babysitting”01:07:33 From “Brown’s daughter” to “Tonnika’s dad”01:08:09 Making a difference in employees’ lives01:10:36 What legacy really means inside and outside the shop01:12:52 Why shop owners need honest feedback from their employees01:21:11 Jordan’s roadside repair and a helpful stranger01:22:11 Banana pudding, Southern culture, and automotive friendships01:23:47 The automotive leaders Riley admires01:26:32 Why conversations and community are changing the industry01:27:00 Why Tonnika finally started a podcast01:27:29 Showing young people that automotive can be a great career01:29:24 Riley’s responsibility to the next generation01:29:42 Dirty hands, clean money
