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Master Tech to MillionaireJuly 21, 2026 · 80 min

Using the Shop Tour to Identify Pain & Close the Deal

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About this episode

Joe Adams hosts a legendary wealth management advisor, exploring and breaking down the Sandler sales approach—professionals solve by identifying pain, quantifying it, and personalizing solutions—so…

Key takeaways

  • —Professional salespeople focus on solving problems rather than just selling products.
  • —Identifying and quantifying customer pain points is crucial for closing sales.
  • —Building emotional intelligence helps in diagnosing customer needs effectively.
  • —Investing early and prioritizing assets over liabilities is key to wealth creation.
  • —Transparency about wealth and financial expectations can prevent misunderstandings in families.

Frequently asked

What is the difference between a professional and an amateur salesperson?
A professional salesperson focuses on solving problems by asking the right questions, while an amateur tends to push products without understanding customer needs.
How can I create wealth if I have limited income?
Start by investing early in assets that appreciate over time, such as index funds, and prioritize saving over spending on liabilities.
What should I do to prepare my family for potential wealth?
Engage in open conversations about finances, set clear expectations, and educate them on the value of hard work and responsible money management.
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Team, this is Joe Adams with Adams Automotive, the number one shop in America. This is Master Tech to Millionaire presented by Auto Shop Answers, where we talk about the transition from technician to business owner or CEO. We are here with Champ Warren. Champ is a wealth management advisor and managing director with one of the largest investment management firms in the United States, where he's worked for over 3 decades.

He oversees 3, excuse me, $7 billion in assets with a B for all of his clients, all successful successful business owners, entrepreneurs who have sold their company or are preparing to sell. And he's been recognized by Forbes, Barron's, and the Financial Times as one of America's top wealth management advisors for his achievements in the industry. So man, quite the intro, but Champ, how you doing?

I'm doing great, Joe. Thanks for having me. Hey, so I wanted to have you on here because we've been getting very familiar over the last 6 months or so, but we had a dinner about a month ago and you kind of, we had a great conversation about sales, and I think there were some similar concepts to, you know, what we call our new customer intro.

And, you know, I guess I'll let you reveal kind of what your sales concepts are, but you told me this story that had a lasting impact on you and how you teach your team how to, you know, have wisdom and build emotional intelligence and like kind of diagnose your customers, which are gonna be people who have a portfolio of assets and you wanna earn their business, obviously.

So I guess I'll pause there, let you introduce yourself and kind of hear from you what we're gonna get into today. Sure, so all of our clients are business owners that have sold their company, or some of them we're still working with them on preparing for a sale. And, you know, I never imagined that we would have $7 billion in assets, which ranks us among the top in our industry.

And if I had to, you know, say what was the key to our success, it was learning a sales message that I learned from one of our own clients. And I'll tell you this story real quick. So I'm chasing this guy who's gonna sell his business for $250 million. And I asked him the best icebreaker question you should ask anybody you run into that's even remotely successful.

And I asked him, well, what's the secret to your success? And he said the Sandler, S-A-N-D-L-E-R, sales method. And I wasn't expecting that. This guy's got a petrochemical business that designs petrochemical plants. And I said, well, what's that? And he goes, well, let me tell you the story. He said, I have this business designing these petrochemical plants and I reached a plateau and I couldn't get past the plateau and I'm frustrated.

I tried everything and I met with my good friend who's also a business owner and I'm complaining about this. And he said, well, your problem is you got these engineers that helped you design the software to design the plants and they're not salespeople, they're engineers. And he called them pinheads. And he goes, you gotta take those pinheads and you gotta send them to a weekend seminar, This is 20 years ago, it was $25,000.

That's a lot of money. And then have them go through this and they'll teach them how to be salesmen and then they'll bust through the plateau and you'll be home free. And my client's like, well, that seems like a lot of money and that's a lot of time. I'm not so sure they're going to get transformed in just, you know, one weekend.

And so his friend said, well, I'll tell you what, you do it and you call me and you tell me it didn't work. I'll personally write you a check for $25,000. Okay. Called out. Had to do it. He did it, it worked, and he sold his business for $250 million. So I'm like, oh my gosh, what is the sales method I wanna learn?

And he goes, well, if you really wanna find out, call my assistant and she'll send you the CDs, 'cause they recorded the whole thing. And I got 6 CDs and I watched the whole thing. It took a long time, but I can break it down to 15 or so minutes to show you how we adapted it to our process if you think that would be helpful.

Yeah, yeah. I'd love to hear that. I'd also love to hear maybe later in today's episode, like, you know, you obviously had a long career managing people's assets and building wealth for people. I think a lot of our listeners, you know, the name of our podcast is literally called Master Technician to Millionaire. And I think that's something we talk a lot about internally is how to like live below your means and create wealth for you and your family and experience compounding.

So I'd love to get into that as well, but I also just wanna reiterate or parrot what you're saying, you know, Just because you can fix the car in our industry doesn't mean you're a master salesperson. And oftentimes, the 2 jobs are entirely different. And the leverage we have in the business is they're so different. They're actually quite opposite. They're not even close to adjacent.

The qualities that you need to be an engineer or be a technician are in the exact opposite end of the spectrum as a master salesperson. So yeah, the Stadler Sales Method. So I wanna sell my company for a quarter of a billion dollars. So if you, with that, yeah, please educate me on how, on what the method is. Okay, so the main takeaways, a couple things.

One is you gotta know the difference between a professional salesman and an amateur salesman. A professional salesman sells by asking all the right questions. So really, professional salesmen, we're not selling, we're solving, right? We got to find out what's most important, we got to solve for that and, and remove the pain, okay? And that leads to the second thing is, how do you know the difference between a prospect you can close and one you cannot?

Because we're in a very hyper-competitive industry, and if we spend all our time chasing down people that we can't possibly close, well, then we get behind. And so the answer is, if you cannot find pain, you cannot close. And so we're always trying to find pain because a need is not enough. And so an amateur, you know, is going to look through the brochure and show the features and the benefits.

And a professional is going to ask very thoughtful questions, which are the truth serum that we really care so we can find what's most important, the real pain points. And we can solve for that. And so we learned that there's 3 types of pain. So like my client, I'm at this point, I'm trying to get to this other point. I can't get there.

I've tried everything and I can't get there. So that's real pain. And sometimes with us, that's somebody whose wealth is not growing and maybe their asset allocation is not aligned with their risk or something like that. The second one is, I see trouble coming, And I need to avoid that at all costs. And so that could be, you know, I have not saved enough for retirement, what am I gonna be able to do?

Or it could be the recession's coming, now what? And so anyway, trouble's coming. And then the third one is I'm already in trouble, need to get out. And for us, that's usually lifetime events where somebody's passed away and the spouse may not be familiar with how all the investments are managed and overwhelmed, or it could be something super positive, Like a business selling, and now it's way more money than they thought, and they're completely overwhelmed, and we love that one.

So those are the 3 types of pain. And can I interrupt? Is that agnostic to industry, or? Absolutely, everything. So can you, what would an analogy be for like our industry? So it's, I'm not performing to the level I thought I would, I see trouble coming, how do I avoid that trouble? And I'm already in trouble, how do I get out of it?

So, you know, if we think about the auto repair business, you know, they know there's something that needs to be fixed in the car and that trouble could be coming if I don't fix it. Okay. And so we've got to align the solution with what's most important to them. And so, you know, it could be the safety of their family, right? Having the car be in a wreck because they didn't take care of it, right?

That's serious freaking pain, right? Or, you know, knowing that you've got a shock on one side that's out, well, I'm only gonna fix that one when you're really supposed to fix both of them, you know? And let's not, you know, let's not skimp, you know, on what's important is that this car performs for you and it's safe and you can drive it without worrying about the safety of your family.

I mean, I'm just making it up. Right, right, right. We wanna align it with what's important to them and we need to identify You know, the pain points, and that to me is an easy one. And obviously the one that they've gone way too far on deferred maintenance. And if you don't get this done like soon, it's really gonna be a problem and it'll cost far more if we don't take care of this, right?

Okay, so that makes sense. So professional versus amateur, professionals solve, they don't sell, they ask the right questions, and generally they're trying to find pain. There are 3 types of pain, and it seems like the main 2 in car repair are gonna be, I see trouble, coming if I don't fix this problem, or I'm in a lot of trouble because my car won't drive right now, or something like that.

But in your world, it's kind of like, hey, how much risk am I exposed to? I see trouble coming. How do I make sure I avoid that? Or, you know, I'm in a situation where I'm already in trouble. How do I get out of it? Okay. And then what's important is safety, but it could also be this is the means of transportation to my job, and if I can't get to my job, I'm not going to have a job.

Right? I mean, you can really dial down into it, or picking the kids up from school or whatever it is, the car is incredibly important to them accomplishing what they have to accomplish, right? Just besides safety. Okay, so then we learn that there are 3 levels of questions to go through like a funnel to get to what's most important to them. And again, I'll tell you how we think about it in our industry.

So the first level is we just have to simply identify the pain. And what I do sometimes is when I think I've identified it, I ask them, how important is that to you? Because I don't want to talk 10 minutes about something that's not important. So I confirm with that question that I'm on the right track. And so then they're going to say it's very important.

And sometimes people hold their cards close to the vest and they don't want to open up. And I, you know, this is a very personal business, you know, managing people's lifetime savings. So if they're holding the cards close, I'll say, listen, it's really important that I understand. And I'll say it genuinely from my heart. Could you, could you please tell me more so that I can get them to open up?

And if they don't, then that's a red flag that they may not be serious. The pain might not be real. And all they want to do is figure out what is my solution. What is my price and go shop me someplace else, right? So anyway, I get to tell them, get them to tell me why it's important. And then the next question is, well, how did this start?

And I want them to explain it to me, like almost like you're diagnosing, you know, the car on the fast, uh, uh, lift. And then, you know, the next question is, well, what have you done about it? And I want to know what everybody else has done to try to solve, to remove the pain that did not work. And I'm taking notes because I'm going to make sure that we don't do that.

And with your business, it could be doing the same work over and over that somebody else has already done and it didn't fix the car, right? And so I want to almost get them frustrated because if I can get them frustrated in front of me, then I know the pain is real. And then the next question, is going to be, well, um, you know, what have you done about it?

Again, that the things that did not work. And then the next question is, what could they have done to make it right? And so this is a super powerful question because I don't want to guess what I need to do to remove the pain. I want you to tell me exactly what my proposal needs to be. That's what you're looking for that's going to make you happy.

And then like a waiter at a restaurant, I'm going to write it down and it's going to be perfect. I'm not going to, you know, act like I'm so smart and not write it down and not pay attention, because the whole time you're sitting there going, they're not going to get this right, he's not going to remember. And I don't want that to happen.

So the, the, the, the food, my solution is going to be perfect. It's going to be exactly what they asked for. And I had a mentor tell me once, you know, if a, uh, client wants a grape, don't sell them on the benefits of a strawberry. Find out what kind of freaking grapes they like and give them the right grape. It's not hard.

But so many times we get so enamored with our solution and think we're so great. We're like, open up your mouth and we shove it down your throat and this is the only way you can do it. And that doesn't make them feel good, right? Okay, so we go through all those questions to really diagnose the pain and then get them to tell us what won't work and what will.

And then we fix it for them and remove the pain. Okay, so now we've identified That's first level. Second level is we gotta quantify the pain. And so the question could be, if we could put a solution together that addresses all this for you, what does that mean in terms of the economics? Like, what's at stake? And if they lost 57% in the financial crisis, which is what the market went down, $20 million going down $60 million, goes to 8, and that's $12 million worth of pain.

They don't want to have that happen again when the next recession is coming, right? And they know it will. And so if we can have a solution that helps minimize that pain, my fee is less than 1%. 1% is a lot cheaper than 60% or $12 million. And so if they believe that I can keep them from losing that much money in the future, they're more than willing to pay my fee, and the fee will not be negotiated because it's worth what's at stake, right?

And so that could easily happen in your business if you don't, again, fix these shocks and all the other components start to wear out. This could be a whole lot more expensive than just replacing the shocks, right? Okay, so we've quantified the pain and we understand what's at stake. And then the third level is trying to personalize the pain. And that's just one simple question.

The question could be, if we could find a solution that addresses all this for you, what does that mean to you personally? Which is an ambiguous question, and it's on purpose, 'cause I like to ask questions that nobody else asks. And so they're like, well, what do you mean, champ? And I was like, well, okay, well, you told me about your business and the 30 years, and the long-term plan hopefully is to sell it one day, and all the ups and downs, the near misses with the recessions and the sacrifices away from your family.

30 years, let's fast forward and assume we're at the finish line where we're ready to sell this thing. What is it you want personally? What is it you've been working so hard for? Help me understand what it is so I can help make sure that that's what happens. And then sometimes they do this deal, they put their hands behind their head and they stare at the ceiling like, oh my gosh, that's such a great question.

And so now when they do it, do that, they're like, they're soul-searching in front of you, and they're about to open up and let you into their personal world where almost nobody else is. And they're going to tell you something super personal that's motivating to them, that's driven them. And I've heard lots of wild different things. I've heard, well, I just need to have $20 million in my checking account, which is a little bit shallow, but if that's all you want, that's fine.

I want a jet so I can travel. I want a yacht because I love yachting and want to sail around the world. I want this $50 million place in Vail, and it's going to be, you know, the place that brings the whole family together. And I believe that if you answer my question in our business, I believe I've closed you at that moment.

Okay. Because I believe there are not too many people that know the answer to that question. And I think the only reason you would tell me sincerely, genuinely from the heart is if you've already decided in your mind, I know you better than maybe just about anybody else. I know exactly what I need to do to remove your pain. And you've decided in your heart that I'm the one that you're looking for.

And I really do believe that because I, I don't think many other people, maybe no one else knows the answer. Let's just use the example of the $15 million place in Vail. You know, I may not have told my wife because if she knew we could sell the business and go get the $15 million place in Vail, she's ready right now 'cause she's worried I'm gonna keel over and die and leave her with this mess and it'll go to hell.

And she's afraid of that. And so I may not be ready. And so I don't wanna get her all excited about it. I haven't told my wife. I haven't told my best friend because now, You know, I'm a, I'm a jerk. It's, it's about money and I'm richer than you. So I haven't talked to my friend about it. I haven't talked to my, uh, banker about it because when we sell the business, the banker has to get paid off and that puts an expiration date on the relationship.

And I need them to keep going to bat for me. So I haven't told the banker and I haven't told my CPA or my attorney because it's not time. But you told me. And I think, again, the only reason you would tell me is because you decided he's my guy, he gets me, he understands it, and I believe that you can get me what I want.

So the worst thing we can do, and we call that a sacred moment when we have this special connection, you know, where we can just feel it, you know, um, the worst thing we could do at that moment in our business is go, well, Joe, let me tell you how we're going to get you that $15 million place in Vail. We whip out the brochure and start turn it into a salesman, or not the brochure, but the proposal.

Okay, a lot of people— yeah, sorry, proposal. And a lot of people think that you got to strike— in our business, it may be different in yours— you got to strike when the iron is hot. But in our business, meeting 1 is about discovery, and the purpose of meeting 1 is to have a meeting 2. And meeting 2 is when we, you know, share our proposal and we sell the benefits of the proposal.

And so, you know, the way we finish our first meeting is we ask to summarize. I thank them for telling me something so personal, and I tell them it would mean a lot to me to be the person that helps them accomplish all that. And I want to summarize the meeting before we leave. Would it be okay if I summarize the key points to make sure I got everything right?

Sure. And it's like the waiter. You know, yeah, repeating the order, right? So we go through the pain points and I put a star next to each one. So I got 2 pages of notes. I go through the key pain points and then I'm like, am I on the right track? Oh, this is exactly what I'm looking for, champ. Okay, well, did I— is there something I forgot to ask or is important to you that I didn't think to ask that I need to know?

No, this is it, champ. Okay, well, you know, Joe, I'd like to be able to put a a solution. I don't say proposal because it sounds salesy. A solution together that addresses all these things for you. Um, and, you know, I'd like to meet with you next week if that's okay to present it. And you're like, fine. And I said, but, you know, can I just ask you one more question before we leave?

Sure. Well, Joe, if I can put a solution together that addresses all these things for you, you know, would you consider doing business with me? 'Cause I want a kind of a verbal that I'm on the right track and that, yeah, I'm in the running. And of course you're gonna say yes. And then we come back in the second meeting and we have it in writing.

You know, we don't say pain, we say challenges. And then we have the key points just like we summarized with the topic on what it was. And then a one-line description. And then below we have solutions. And the rule is every one of those solutions has to relate to something that's above that were the challenges and how it's going to remove the pain, how it's going to address that challenge.

And so we have the same thing, a topic, a description. We go through that. And then the last, you know, challenges they want, we call it an aspirational you know, deal that, you know, uh, aspiration in which it's the $15 million placing deal because we want to start the meeting in that personal space, right? That's their— that's their soul. They're soul-searching. That's their— so we wanted to open back up and get back into that mindset and that vibe.

And then we, we, we summarize that. Are we on the right track? Did you think of anything else? No, this is it, champ. This is what I want. We do the proposal. We go back to that summary page and we summarize it one more time and they're like, yeah, this is it. And I said, okay, well, at the last meeting you told me if I could put a solution together that addressed all this for you, that you'd consider doing business with me.

Joe, I really want you to be my client. I've done this many times. I've been at this for 33 years. We've gone through this process many, many times and I've geared my entire team to taking care of business people like you to help you accomplish your personal life aspirations and to take care of your family. And so tell me, what more do I need to do to get started?

Because I want to get to work for you. I want you to be my client. I want to get you that place in jail. And they're like, you tell me. And then we whip out the docs, we put the fancy pen on top, and we start signing up. And so that, that's a simplified, compressed way of how we do it, but that really is how we do it.

And the whole goal is to make meeting one a discovery meeting for us Because if we whip out, if we whip out the solution in our business right then and we had this perfect personal moment, then they know that nothing that was in that proposal had anything to do with anything you shared with me. Yeah. And all we're doing is showing you the cookie-cutter BS proposal that everybody gets to see.

And now I'm not special anymore. And I'm wondering, why are you not calling me back? Right? Because we kind of ruined it when it's such a personal thing in our business. But trying to get to the funnel of what's most important, i.e., that my family is safe, or i.e., that I can have a reliable car that gets me to work so I don't lose my job, or whatever it might be, you know, that's, that's the whole key.

And then we can put our solution in perspective with what's super important to them about having a reliable car, then it's a little bit more than how much is it going to cost with you, because you took the time to understand me and now you're going to have a solution. And now I feel like I'm a little more of a closer, maybe even more of a personal relationship with you than just somebody that gives me a number.

Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So I got a couple questions for you. So to break that all down, you gotta identify the pain, you gotta quantify how important it is to them if you're able to fix that pain, you've gotta personalize it. If we could solve this pain, what would that mean to you personally? Those seem to be extremely effective in wealth management portfolio.

It's like you literally, your hopes and aspirations, but I have the challenge of condensing that process down to like maybe a 5-minute interaction at a front counter, 'cause we've got 20 or 30 customers that day. But I really like what you're saying about identifying the pain. So for us, it might be, you know, 'cause we like to train in Key2Key that the only way you get a new customer is by a customer basically terminating the relationship with their previous providers.

Like, if you've had a technician or a mechanic working on your car for 20 years, like, you're not gonna come to my shop just because I advertise to you. Like, they're gonna have to, drop the ball somehow, or not be open on the weekends, or not provide good service, or take advantage of you, pain, in order for you to give me a chance.

And so, we talk a lot about, in the new customer intro, identifying the pain, which is, well, I used to take it to the dealer, and they— So we literally ask the customer, hey, what took you so long? We've been here 40-something years. How did you hear about us? What took you so long? And I'm sneakily trying to identify what their pain is.

Well, I fired the last shop that I've been going to for 10 years because it was the dealer and the prices got too high and the service wasn't good. Or, you know, maybe a different— maybe it's a shade tree mechanic. I had this small guy, but he didn't fix it right and he took advantage of my wife or whatever. Now, what I always like to do is I like to kind of metaphorically slam the brochure or the proposal on the table immediately because, you know, they'll tell me their pain and then I get to say, well, man, that's great news.

Like, Did they take pictures? One of the things we do is we take pictures, blah, blah, blah. But I'll pause here. My question to you is, should I hold that back? And should I basically validate their pain? Be like, man, that's probably a horrible feeling to feel like you're taken advantage of. And then have the sacred moment and then maybe 5 minutes later be like, hey, I know you mentioned this bad part of your previous car repair experience.

Here's one of the benefits that we have as we do this, this, and this. So there's kind of— Does that question make sense? Yeah, I mean, you're in a transactional business, and so you have to transact, right? And we're in a relationship business, you know, that lasts generations. And so it's 2 different types of businesses, but, you know, the pain can be different.

I mean, the pain could be, you know, I need my car back quickly. Right. I need somebody to be honest with me. And if somebody takes the time like you guys do to diagnose the car and explain it to me to where I completely understand— you also show the pictures in the video, and you're going out of your way to make sure that I understand how this really is an important, uh, repair that needs to be made.

I understand why it's important to my car, how it works, because you show me the little video deal. And you can take care of me quickly and you guys go the extra mile to, if I need a ride back to the office or a ride back to my home, that you can arrange that for me. I mean, you're just making it so easy for me to just say yes.

And because it's transactional and because I need my car, for you to be able to go through it quickly, get the parts, turn it around, and be able to do that even when it's inconvenient on a weekend when some people are closed. That could, that could really mean a whole lot to people that if that isn't done well and done consistently, then they're not going to see the value, you know.

And then you're going— and the fact that you're going to such extents to remove my pain, this inconvenience of my broken car, to make life easier for me, I mean, that means a lot. And not everybody does that. And so I think there's different ways to highlight it. But yeah, you can't diagnose on day 1 and repair day 2 or 3. It's like, you gotta, I really do think in your transactional type business, you've gotta strike when the iron's hot and they're there, but you gotta highlight the idea that you're gonna make life so much easier and better for them with your approach and your process.

Does that make sense? Yeah, it totally makes sense. Yeah, because one of the main objections we get is just like price, you know, like obviously it's— we don't believe our business is a commodity business. It's like a service business and you pay the premium for the quality service. And a lot of our customers understand that, but sometimes it's hard to get to communicate with customers the quality of the service and they can very quickly call another shop and get some made-up price on a different part, you know, and now we're the expensive people.

So do you ever run into that? Like, you know, I guess you have such a slow burn in terms of building the relationship. It does. 4 years. Sometimes it takes us years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To build a relationship. So it's a different deal. But, you know, like in your business, you know, if it's, I want it done quickly, right? I also want it done right.

So you've been around a long time. You've got these highly trained technicians. And I'm not going to have a situation where I drive it home and it's like, oh my God, this isn't right, and I got to go bring it back and do it all over again, right? Because you've got that high quality people and the high quality of service. And so there's all kinds of little, little things that you can do that make a huge difference that not everybody else is even thinking about.

I love what you said about, uh, uh, Does that sound right? Like, you kind of repeat, you're almost like pre-firing the objection. You kind of say like, so it sounds like if we do this, this, and this, that will solve your pain and solve your problems. Like, does that sound right? And then if you're not covering it all, they will clarify. They'll be like, oh, I'm also wanting to do this, this, and this.

And I think that applies to both of us. So it's like, so what I'm hearing you say is your objection is, this, this, and this. Or, so what I'm hearing you say is if we, you know, have fast service and total integrity, you know, you'll be our customer for 20 years or something. Okay, awesome. So the, the, the, the main gist though is amateurs sell and professionals solve, and you have to identify the pain in order to solve it.

Whereas an amateur, they're just gonna— and go deeper, right? You go deeper, you understand them better, you understand what, what if they're What are the pain points that make this process frustrating? How do I make it where it's not frustrating? And thoughtful questions to understand what they're going through, not just about their car, is like the truth serum that you really care.

And when you go out of your way to make it easier for me, that's also truth serum that you really care. And then if you do what you say you're going to do and the price is what you said it's going to be, and you're honest with me and you care and it's right every time and you make it easy, okay, I'm coming back.

Right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. So transitioning here. Okay. So do you have any anecdotes from your business where you— oh, you laughed. So I'm sure you do where you've implemented the method. Yeah. You want to dive into? Yeah. So I'll tell you my favorite story. So, and I'm not— I'm going to change the names for the, to, you know, Protect the innocent. So this is one of my favorite ones.

So there's this investment banker that's selling this business and he wants us to meet this client and it's gonna sell in a couple years and the guy likes to pick stocks and he goes, Champ, why don't you just talk to him about the outlook on the markets and how you're positioned in general and what you might do if things change or there's a recession or whatever.

And so we go through this outlook on the markets and kind of our process on how we think about things and how we're structured and he loves it 'cause we made it so simple so easy to understand. He's like, Champ, would you, would you mind, you know, having the same conversation with my wife and 2 daughters? Because they really need to understand this, and you just made it so easy.

And we— yes, we will. So we meet in this, this place, uh, private restaurant at this private club, and it's very fancy, you know, with all the mahogany and the Persian rugs and the china and the crystal, the silver, the whole thing. Here's dad and 2 daughters. Sitting on my place setting is a statement from Morgan Stanley for a $28.5 million trust.

That never happens. After the pleasantries, he says, Champ, I already talked to my wife and 2 daughters about the outlook on the markets and how you think about things. I just couldn't help it. I went ahead and presented it to them. So we had a family meeting and decided that We want to transfer this $28.5 million to you and your team because it needs to be professionally managed.

I picked all the stocks and I've kind of neglected it. I got busy in my logistics business and I don't have time to mess with it. And so it really needs to be professionally managed. So could we just transfer this account to you and then you look at the stocks and tell us which ones you would keep and which ones you would change and come back with a proposal?

So this is, this is a layup. This is like, uh, no, it's gonna move. Okay, okay, okay. This is crazy. So my antenna is going up. It's like, there is some pain here. I gotta figure out what is making them throw it at us, right? Why are they firing? Yeah, yeah, got you. Okay, got it. It's not, it's not that, it's not that market outlook that did it, right?

And so we find out that, uh, Dad, his pain is he hates the government because they tax him so much and they waste his money. And he's— his whole life is efficiency in the logistics business, and he can't stand that they waste his money. And so, okay, fine, I've heard it a million times. You hate paying taxes, I got it. Mom comes from the money, and, you know, this is the money she inherited from her father.

And in the last recession, it got hit hard in '08. So the big recession, and she just can't deal with that. And so that was, I see the pain coming again. I want to avoid it at all costs. So we figured it out for mom, and then we had to figure out the aspirational personal pain. And mom comes from all the wealth, and so they love yachting, and they have this yacht that they take to the Bahamas with the whole family, and they do their thing in the blue water, and then they come back, and that's, that's their thing.

And then I found out that that mom's got a challenge, you know, in her knee and going up all the steps is hard. And the only way you fix that is to get a longer one. They've got a problem coming. And there's— I need another multimillion-dollar yacht. Okay, yeah. Yeah, they're so excited about the new one that's coming. And so anyway, we got it and then we go back to the office.

So let me clarify. So you've got a mom and a dad and their family and the wealth— 2 daughters. And 2 daughters. And the wealth is generational from the mom's father who is, you know, that's previous generation. And the dad's pain is he's got this other business that he runs and he doesn't have time to manage the portfolio and he hates the government or something.

He hates paying taxes. So, and we know that, and we know that the mom loves yachting. Okay, so that's the picture. And then how do you, so how do you close them? Yeah, and then the pain is I don't want to have to go through this again, right? Okay, so then We come back and the problem is that almost none of the stocks match up to how we would have done it.

And so it's gonna be a big tax liability to make a change and dad's not gonna be happy. We're gonna call him Jack and we'll call mom Jill. So anyway, we come in and I start going through the pain points. I start going through the solution. I go through the actual solution after I line it up and they have agreement that this is what's going to work.

And then I present it to them and they love it. And we go through the summary and I tell them I want to be their client. I want to get this going. I want to put this solution in place. Mom and the 2 daughters are there at the boardroom in his office and they are thrilled. And then Jack's like, hold on, not so fast.

Champ, did you count how many stocks we have in that portfolio? Yes, sir. And I'm talking to him exactly the way I'm talking to you, okay? Yes, sir. How many do we have? You had 220. Well, how many of them match up to your way of doing it in your proposal? I said, 12. And he turns red and he's like, so you're telling me we're gonna have to sell 208 stocks to match it up to do it your way?

Yes, sir. And now he's very unhappy because he knows what that means. And he's like, now his tone changes and he starts to have some, you know, he's not happy. There's some venom in his tone and he's starting to raise his voice ever so much. And he goes, well, Tim, did you happen to calculate the gain we would incur if we get it your way?

And I said, yes, sir. And he goes, well, how much is that? I said, $6.7 million, with a totally straight face. And he goes, well, no. And I think he's going to have like a stroke or something. He's raising his voice. Well, did you calculate the tax we'd have to pay on that? Yes, sir. Well, how much is that? I said, it's $1.6 million.

And I really did think he's going to die. And so he's turning red. He's yelling at me now. And he says, well, Jeff, that's like an additional $1.6 million fee on top of your fee to do it your way. Why the hell would we do that? I'm just as calm as can be. And I said, well, Jack, let me explain. And I stopped talking to Jack because it's not Jack's money, it's mom's money.

And I looked at Jill. Right, right. Okay. And then I reached into my briefcase and I pulled out the original $28.5 million statement that was on my place setting in our first meeting. And I dramatically slid it onto the middle of the boardroom table where everybody could see it. I even patted it a couple times and I said, Jill, what we have here is not the $28.5 million trust that your father gave you many years ago before he passed away.

What we have is a $28.5 million yacht. We went to the marina where you said it was and it's not there. We found it out in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean between here and the Bahamas. I don't know what happened, Somebody didn't tie it down, keep an eye on it, whatever. But we finally found it and we did an inspection and we found out there's no rudder, the motor's frozen over, it won't, it won't start, there's no crew on board, there's no navigation, there's no communications, there's no nothing.

And in '08, when the financial crisis happened and that hurricane came through, it did extensive damage to your yacht. And when we started to look at and we, we showed them the top 5 positions they had. They were in a chart from peak to trough. They were down more than the market. And your $28.5 million went down to $12 million, and you had $16.5 million of damage to your yacht and to your portfolio.

And we know the hurricane's coming again. And so yes, uh, we're gonna put the best crew in the business on board 24/7. We're going to put a brand new rudder on there because this yacht cannot possibly get to wherever you want it to go. We've got a portfolio manager that's like a master mechanic that's going to get that engine up and running as good as new.

We're going to put state-of-the-art communications, state-of-the-art navigation, and then this time we're gonna have radar. So when we see the hurricane coming, we're going to find the closest port, we're going to park your yacht in a safe harbor, and it's going to have some damage, but it's not going to have, you know, $16.5 million worth of damage. And then we're going to get it right back up and running and repair it very quickly, dial that waypoint in, and we will get you where you want your yacht to go safely with you and your family every single time.

And Jill, to do anything else would be unreasonable. Yes, it's going to cost $1.6 million, but again, to do anything else would be not unreasonable. I said irresponsible. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Irresponsible. And so here's what Jill did. She raised her hands, she slammed them on the table, and she said, Jack, I couldn't have put this any better myself. This is my daddy's money, and I cannot go through this again, Jack.

We talked about this. We had a family meeting, and all of us decided that we're going to transfer this money to Champ and his team so it can be professionally managed. And she looked at her daughters and goes, girls, isn't that what we decided? It's their inheritance. Well, of course they want it to be taken care of and not neglected. And so they're— and so they're like, I cannot go through this again.

I felt so much shame. Champ, what do we need to do to get this done? And I took out the documents and I put my fancy pen on top and I slid it over to Jack and I said, well, Jack's the trustee. He needs to sign. Jack, sign it! So Jack took my pen and his hand was literally shaking, trembling, because he knew that was going to cost $1.6 million.

And he signed it. And I had no doubt whatsoever that we were going to get that deal because, Mom, when you get good at this business, asking the questions— wisdom to me is when you can hear what, what's not being said. Okay. And what's not being said is that my husband's too busy to manage my inheritance. And I felt shame and pain and embarrassment when it went down and no one did anything, didn't even look at it.

And if my father was still alive, he probably would have gone out of his mind. And what she was asking me to do was please help me fire Jack. Because he's been negligent and she couldn't do it herself. She needed me to tee it up. And by me, you know, understanding the pain and quantifying the pain and then aligning it with their personal aspiration, which is if y'all want to continue enjoying yachts, this needs to be managed really well and you don't need to be going through this again and feeling that shame.

And so I just needed to tee it up for her. And I knew she would send it home. And that's exactly what happened, because even though she didn't say it to me, I could hear it. I could feel it. Right. And again, we just took the solution, aligned it with what is most important to them, and it was easy. And really, it's just us understanding them a little better and removing the pain.

And then every time we close business, and I don't know how you might adjust or make— ask this question, but we always ask this question whenever we close business. I always say to them, look, I have one more question I would like to ask. It's very important that I understand. And I said, you could have done business with anybody. Why did you choose to do business with me?

And 99% of the time they're going to say, because you're the only one that really listened. Okay, you gave me exactly what I needed, what I was looking for, and it was perfect. And then sometimes they'll tell you things that you hadn't thought of, and then, then your antenna goes up and it's like, oh, I didn't know that that was important. Uh, now I'm gonna make sure that I add that to my list of pain points that I'm looking for.

Okay. Every meeting going forward. And so it just makes you better and better and better, right, as you find places to look to remove the challenges or the pain points when nobody else is looking. And some of those things can be super important and nobody asked, but I did. And, and it— I think it just gives me a competitive advantage over everybody else because it helps me to ask more thoughtful questions and to remove more pain, and certainly in places where nobody else is looking.

Man, that's so good. That was one of my favorite, favorite deals because they were— everybody in the office like, oh, you're never going to get that deal. I'm like, oh yes, yeah, yeah, put me in, put me in, Coach. Oh man, We've had some of those deals around here and it's like, you're just not getting that deal. And then they get the deal, you know?

And so I love what you said. So you basically had to just personalize the pain and you had to understand her aspirations. And then you just use the aspiration as like a way to paint a picture. Like, hey, 'cause yeah, you can just totally see it in your head. Like, man, I know, yeah, I know. You're not thinking about a portfolio. You're thinking about like, man, my yacht, you know, is gonna— So you had to ask her in the pre, you know, the new customer intro, basically.

Like, what would it mean for you if we were able to, like, make this happen? Like, what are your dreams? And you learn about the job. You go from being irresponsible about this to being responsible and to getting sleep at night so I can keep enjoying being rich. Yeah. So I'll tell a story in our business, similar theme. You know, we had a guy, um, and he comes in at 4 o'clock on a Sunday.

For a state inspection, which is $18.50. And he drives a yellow, that's key, yellow FJ Cruiser. And we identify, I use a power steering rack and brakes and stuff, and it's something like $4,000 worth of repairs that we're presenting to him. And obviously, he didn't know he had the pain. He didn't know he's got a broken car. And so it's very difficult to convert $0 to $4,000.

It's different if they come in and they're like, hey, I know I have this big problem with my car. Can you fix it? And then, you know, we present the price and David, he was the one selling it, and he's one of our top all-time salespeople, all-time ticket average, and he objects. You know, he's like, well, the price is too high, yada, yada, yada.

Anyway, this is like, he approved the initial like brakes or something, but the big ticket was the power steering rack. And David just gets off the price. He just stops like, as he's talking to the guy over the day or two the vehicle's in the shop, He comes to find out that the gentleman is a beekeeper in his personal time. He harvests, I don't even know the word, honey.

And he's even got a yellow car. He loves beekeeping. It's his hobby. He sells it on the side. And David, he's like, man, it's like his aspiration. It's like, hey, what do you— so tell me more about what do you do? And he opens up. When you ask somebody about their passion, they just open up to you. And he's like, Yeah, you know, I've been doing it this many years and like I sell it on the side.

It's this organic stuff and like, you know, the bees, man, when you buy the stuff at the store, it's like this processed— see, we're not, we're not talking about the car at all. Anyway, at the end of the guy's spiel, David's like, so you said you sell it, right? Like, who do you sell it to? And he's like, man, I'll sell it to you.

Like, like, do you guys want to buy some honey? And David's like, yeah, I'd love to buy some honey. Like, how much do you charge? Is what he asked the customer. And he says the price and he's like, could I ask you, Mr. Customer, like, are you— you're nodding your head because you see where I'm going with that. He's like, so you mentioned like all the organic and like the— you're locally owned.

Like, does it— is it cost you more to like— do you have to charge more than, you know, the guys at, you know, Trader Joe's or H-E-B? And it's like he closed— that was when he closed him. You know, he was like, you know, like the customer was— it clicked in his mind. He's like, oh yeah, like I have the good stuff.

I have good stuff and I'm proud of it, but I have to— it costs me, you know, this much money to like produce the good stuff. And David was like, that's how we feel, you know, like we're family-owned, we're going to be here for another, you know, 50 years. We've been here 50 years, you know, we've got master technicians, we're not putting cheap crap on your car.

Yeah, you know, we love our honey. You're gonna love our honey. And, and, and it's— it worked, you know, and he's been coming for years now. And every time we're like asking to buy the honey, you know, like, hey man, did you bring any for us? Because that's the thing, you know, it's like if I can identify your aspiration or what you're into, and then when I'm trying to fix your pain, like what, tee it up the way that you did.

So anyway, I— Personalize it. Yeah, perfect. Yeah. Perfect. That's a great example. So that's good. I love that example. It's funny 'cause his car is yellow, you know, like his car is like, he literally has a yellow FJ Cruiser, you know, it's like a, Anyway, I could go on and on. We've got all the stories in the world, but that's really good.

So to recap, it's the Stadler Sales Method. A professional solves, he doesn't sell. You have to funnel them into identifying what their pain is, personalize it to them, quantify it, kind of identify what their aspirations are. If I can fix this pain, what does that mean to you? And they basically tell you how to close them. You're basically trying to listen 'Cause most people just talk 80% of the time.

You're basically trying to listen to the customer with wisdom, like you said, tell you how to close them, and then you close them. You bring out the big pen. Yeah. Fancy pen. I mean, 'cause the discovery's about them. They should be doing most of the talking. We should just be asking the questions, for sure. Okay, sweet. So that's really great. I hope some of our team members can apply that to their own personal book of business and see how it works.

So let's transition. I want to talk one more thing about, you know, just you've been obviously helping people protect and preserve and create wealth for your entire career. And a lot of the people— part of the reason I'm so passionate about this business is I came from resources and a lot of people in our business didn't. And that's just the nature of— it's a blue-collar industry.

You know, a lot of our employees and team members maybe worked for a giant chain that didn't really care much about them, and they've never thought about what their retirement looks like or what a 401 is or an IRA or saving for their kids' college. Now, we've also got people that listen to this and might be a single-unit operator that they're like my dad.

They were a master technician and they didn't go to business school, but now they run a successful small business. You know, they're trying to create wealth for the first time in their family. And then we've also got people who listen to this who might be more sophisticated. They might have multiple units or a chain in a region. And so I wanted to spend some time with you just talking about, we can start at the beginning, just any advice or feedback you have to our team members, maybe people that are just, I don't wanna say just, but starting off in their career, trying to create wealth for the first time.

Where do you start? It can be pretty confusing. It's similar to how a car is confusing. They might know a lot about cars, but it's really not that complicated when you break it down. So if you were a person on our team with W-2 income trying to create wealth for their family, like, what is, how does it all work? Yeah, so it's so important.

And I, they don't teach this in element or in middle school. And so I go around schools teaching financial literacy all the time, but it's more wealth creation, not budgeting. And so I'll just go through some very, very basics and then we can go in whatever direction you want. But if you think of wealth creation, it takes money to make money, which is unfair if you don't have a lot of money.

And my family did not have money. And so, you know, that can seem unfair, but the reality is it doesn't take a lot of money to make a lot of money. It just takes a lot of time. And that means you gotta start early. And so if you do have, you know, certainly young people that are technicians and they're fortunate because you're giving them a living wage where, you know, they can live within their means and have money left over, the trick and the key is you gotta buy assets.

And this is not the accounting definition of an asset, but in, In investment world, an asset is anything that puts money in your pocket. And so many young people suddenly get the job, they're a technician, they're certified, they're making good money, and they have a hole in their heart and soul and they want to fill it with all the things that they went without.

And so they end up buying liabilities and not assets. So liability is anything that takes money out of your pocket. And a lot of times that could be a car that's just to show off or apartment or a home that's too expensive, and now I have no cash flow left over, and I don't have anything to buy any assets that will appreciate in value and put money in my pocket and create wealth.

And I'm in the rat race. We're just living paycheck to paycheck. And so what we really should do is find things that are going to appreciate in value, and rich people only buy assets. They don't buy liabilities. And because those assets put money in their pocket and gives them extra cash flow, then they have money left over to buy more assets, which gives them more cash flow.

They buy even more assets. And that's how the rich keep getting richer is because they only buy assets. And so, you know, if I were starting out and I've done this with my own children, just buy the S&P 500 index. If you went onto Google and asked, what's the 10-year average return of the S&P 500? It's over 13%. If you ask for the 50-year long, long-term average, it's right around 9%.

And if you took just a quick example, if you took $100 a month and put it in the S&P 500, and that's $12,000 a year, and you did it for 50 years, so $1,200 a year times 50, $60,000. Over 50 years, you saved, all you did was save $60,000. Yeah, yeah. That would literally compound 'cause it's growing off itself, right? And it's making money, adding to the base and growing and making money and adding to the base every year and growing.

That's called compounding. The $60,000 turns into a million. But it takes 50 years. Yeah, $100. Right? $100 a month, $1,200 a year times 50, $60,000. Turns into a million. Now, the key is if you wait 10 years and only invested the same way for 40 years, it's only $400,000 plus because the compounding working off the big base has the greatest effect at the end, not in the beginning.

And so if I wait too long to save money, I might not ever get to my goal. And certainly, working as a tech for you, I have the ability to save way more than $100 a month. And so we did an example of where if you're 16, you do $100 a month. Now you're 26, you have a job, maybe there's a 401 or retirement plan where you can start to save money for retirement and you save $1,500 a month, which sounds like a lot, That's $18,000 a year, but out of $80,000 or whatever the pay may be, $50,000, $80,000, it starts to be manageable if you're single and you haven't bought the house and you

haven't done all that stuff yet. And so that ends up being $700,000 over 50 years and turns into $7.6 million, right? So you can be a multi, multi, multimillionaire if you just start soon enough, And the key is to pay yourself first. So we always pay our bills first and then whatever's left over, I splurge on some. And then after that, maybe I have something to go buy some more S&P 500 shares.

And oftentimes we don't. And so if you just automatically get direct deposit into your checking account and you set up a brokerage account and it's whether it's at Schwab or wherever it is, doesn't matter. You can tell it every month, 2 days after payday, put $100 or $200 or whatever it is into my brokerage account and automatically buy the S&P 500 index as soon as there's enough money in there.

And then it comes out first. You don't have it to spend, and now you're managing what's left and you're just prioritizing long-term savings. And it's amazing how many people don't do that. And I've had conversations with incredibly smart people with master's degrees from the Ivy League schools that would tell me when they're in their 50s, they're freaking out because they didn't save enough for retirement because they spent all their money or had excuses.

Well, I need a house. I need to put money for kids' college and blah, blah, blah. And they never prioritized. And now they realize when they do the math, they'll never get there. And so their lifestyle's going to be completely different. But again, as a technician, certified, you can make good money. If you start early, you can have $1 million, almost no excuse not to have $1 million 50 years later.

And it should be multiples of that if you get good at saving money and budgeting your money and just prioritizing retirement first. I liked what you said about an asset puts money in my pocket and a liability takes money out. And the reason I know people can do it is because I see new cars show up in our parking lot when people work for us long enough.

And I always ask them, like, do you know any super wealthy people that drive new cars? Like, they just don't, you know, on average they don't. And the analogy I like to make is, Like, let's say it's a new F-150, okay? And it's an $800 a month note. I'm like, if you make that payment for the next 45 years, what are you gonna have?

You know, you're gonna have 10, you're gonna trade in your car every 5 years, and you're gonna have $800 a month payment for 45 years. And at the end of 45 years, you'll have a 5-year-old F-150 that's worth you know, $15 grand or something. And I was like, you could drive a Corolla, you know. And, and maybe people don't want to drive a Corolla, and I get it, but it's like, you know, $800 a month is a lot of money that you could be putting away.

And it's like, I don't know what the math is, but it's probably several million dollars in retirement if you start in your 20s, you know. It is. I mean, you know, the cost of not having that invested in appreciating over 40 or 50 years is millions of dollars, literally millions of dollars. And like, I only bought one new car in my life.

It was right out of college. I bought a Mazda Miata, and that because I was just lusting after that car. And that's the last new car I ever bought because I like buying cars with 20,000 miles on them for 50% off, and they're just going through adolescence, you Yeah, let somebody else take that depreciation. Absolutely. So let's, okay, so S&P 500 compound interest, the most effective compound interest ingredient is time.

Most people just start too late and they put their wants in front of their needs, which is safety for their family. But, you know, let's transition here. My dad was a cowboy, still is, you know, and he's never been big on the S&P 500. Said one time, he's like, Joe, I was in the S and Me 500. That's what he said. So funny.

Because he's like, because, you know, when you're growing your business, you can either buy shares of the S&P or you can buy a Lyft. You know, you can put that money in painting your floors or in, you know, investing in the business. And so I think there is a line from paying yourself first and setting up for retirement, and then, you know, how do I minimize my taxable income, um, and invest that money back into the business?

So do you have anything to say to like kind of the middle level, you know, before we get— because when you're a multi-unit operator and you've got over $1 or $2 million a year in EBITDA, the whole game changes, you know. But when you're a single-unit operator and you're trying to grow your business, how would you think about, uh, would you focus all on your business and trying to scale it to multi-unit, or would you save for retirement?

How would How would you do that? Well, let's define what does it mean to be rich, okay? Okay. And I think the way we look at it is when your assets put enough money in your pocket that it pays all your bills, then you're rich 'cause you're not working for money anymore, your money's working for you, right? Okay. And so if, and I have another client, you know, and I think this is relevant to certainly small business, certainly a one-unit operator, he would say, and a huge business, by the way, he would say, champ, we're all one lawsuit away from bankruptcy.

Yeah, that's for sure. I love that. He was a big believer in diversifying away from the business. Now, you're not going to get a better return if they're following your process and doing it your way than to put money back into the business. I'm a one-unit operator, and if I perfected the way you guys teach them to make money and manage the process, then it makes perfect sense that you start thinking about your next unit and then possibly the next one.

But most wealthy people don't have all their eggs in one basket. They're still going to take some of that cash flow, especially after they get established and get a little comfortable. Like, I've figured this thing out, I've got good management. I'm not having to kill myself anymore. Now I can afford to start to diversify a little bit. And so yeah, it won't necessarily just be the S&P 500.

We'll start to diversify that and add some bonds for stability, not just be in large cap. And it's getting to be the S&P 500 is highly weighted now to those huge tech hyperscalers. When OpenAI and Anthropic go public, the top 10 companies in the S&P 500 are going to be 50% of the value of the whole stock market. So we don't want to put everything in the S&P.

So anyway, we diversify for our clients and have some liquidity and some wealth growing outside the business so they have balance. And then, you know, again, the wives are all nervous. If something happens to you, what are they going to do with this business? So knowing that there's some money set aside that can help maintain the family's lifestyle if something happens, you know, to you as the operator, you know, that gives a lot of peace of mind.

And then the other thing is we do— and I don't mean to get off track, but, you know, When you have insurance on your cars and your home, you can get an umbrella policy super cheap. Years ago, I got one for $5 million and it's $7,500 a year. And it was meant to replace income if I died early. And that's— and it's after I did it for 20 years.

After 20 years, it's gone, right? But that's also sleep at night in addition to diversifying and keeping the family and your wife and everybody happy. And so yeah, we will start to help clients think about that. And then as you get to be multiple locations and you get to be further down the lifecycle of the business and you're starting to think about the exit, that brings a lot of other complexity.

And so we're talking to clients about setting up estate plans, and estate planning is just taking the assets that are going to grow the most, and get 'em outside your estate where they're growing outside of your estate, out of your own tax ID number, so that you're not having to pay the 40% estate tax on all that future growth. Because if something grows at 10%, it's gonna double every 7 years.

So whatever assets we have today, if they're growing, and again, the S&P's been growing at 13 for the last 10 years, I'm not thinking about how big that could be in the future. So if I have a $20 million net worth and it's growing at 7%, in 10 years it's going to be $40 million. In another 10 years, it's going to be $80 million.

And that's more than the— if you're married, the combined $30 million lifetime exemption they take off the top when they calculate your estate that you get to pay 40% on the extra. So in advance, and certainly if you're opening up a new location, you have kids, you know, start the new location by gifting them some shares. So all that growth in the new locations, and they can be separate LLCs, your family's gonna get that growth, your children will get that growth, and it's not inside your estate, and it's not subject to 40% gift tax or a 40% estate tax.

So yeah, we want to potentially give shares in our business to our kids, and that can be discounted too for lack of control and a minority interest and no voting rights and all that so that it takes as little amount as possible away from my lifetime exemption. It's $15 million for me and my wife. But anyway, there's lots of things we do to start transferring stock in the business, ownership in the business, the kids pop, the kids in their trust doesn't hit my estate, no gift tax.

And either way, you know, when it's doubling, you know, that could be a whole lot of tax we're not paying 40% on, right? And then the last thing I would say to think about is people are always worried as they start to accumulate wealth. I mean, when you have multiple locations and all these people working for you, You can't hide from your family that you're wealthy.

And every family's worried, if we talk about wealth to our kids, then they'll think I'm privileged and it'll ruin their ambition and they won't want to work and they'll just wait to get their money. And that happens, but it's not money that ruins kids in our experience. It's parents that ruin kids and they ruin them by not talking about it. So it's the opposite.

The more you talk about it, the better, as long as you also include your values, how you created that, and your expectations on what you expect from them for them to participate in it. And when you do that and they've been spending their whole life trying to not disappoint you, they're going to work extra hard to not disappoint you so they have an inheritance.

But if you don't talk to them, what happens is they fill in the number, the blank with whatever they think the number is, which is not correct. And then if you don't talk to them about expectations, then they'll assume there are none, and that's how they become messed up. And so yeah, having— and we start with talking about, here's buckets of money just so you know.

And oh, by the way, we've got your college covered and you don't have to worry about that, but it could be a long time before we die, so you might have to wait a long time before you get any money. So I highly encourage you to go and do the best you possibly can so you're not waiting 50 years when you're an old man for what I worked for my whole life.

And then as they get older and more mature, you can fill in the numbers of the different buckets and then start to talk to them about what they will get and at what time and what's expected and the limitations that are put on that in the trust and what you've hoped that they do, which is just be a good human, work hard, be productive, and pay it forward.

Uh, you know, but there's a lot of kids that get all jacked up with money because they think they have to outdo their parents, and that's not true. And then they think they got to do it on their own without asking for help so they don't have to feel guilty, then they earned it on their own like mom and dad did, and that's, that's not true either.

We just want you to be a good human, and we want you to work hard and be productive and be happy and pay it forward. And when you have those conversations and you talk about what you value, then it changes the dynamic and it empowers them and makes them feel proud. And if somebody asks them about their money, then you just simply say, hey, my mom and dad worked incredibly hard.

They value X, Y, and Z, and they give back to the community, and I could not be more proud of them. And yes, we're very blessed and fortunate. And then that's all you have to say. And guilty is when you did something wrong. We're not doing anything wrong. We're just going out and living life to the fullest. And, you know, the meaning of life is to figure out what your God-given gift is and the purpose of life is to do the most you possibly can with it.

And that's all we do. There's no guilt involved. You know, we didn't throw away our opportunity, right? Yeah, 100%. So yeah, I love what you're saying. So to reiterate, so single unit operator, you're probably not gonna get the best return. By diversifying, but you'll be able to sleep at night. And I know Glenn, he's a partner of ours, he's very big on the insurance policy, you know, to have income replacement for your family.

And then the final part, the multi-unit, preparing your family maybe for an exit, maybe a lot of our listeners might not think that that's attainable, but there are a lot that maybe do. There's a lot of people in our business that are service advisors that want to grow in their career and open up a business one day. And we've just got a lot of case studies of business owners that have come through our training that are in their late 30s, late 40s, and they all of a sudden go from $300,000 or $400,000 a year of EBITDA to a year later doing $1.5 to $3 million of EBITDA.

And at that point, you're kind of, even on a reasonable multiple, if you have $2 million of EBITDA, you've got a super high net worth compared to maybe not very long ago. And if you can take some chips off the table and compound that at 8%, by the time you're in your 80s, you've got a tremendous net worth, like crazy, unimaginable for a lot of people.

And I know there are certain people that are listening to this that do believe that that's capable, they're capable of that, even if they're just a service advisor right now in their 20s or 30s. So I hope whoever's listening to this, I hope you know who you are. But the answer, I love that you touched on it, how do I not ruin my kids?

Like, if you have that kind of net worth when you're at that age, I think what most people will do, what you're saying, is they kind of just don't talk about it, and the kids figure it out for themselves, and then they make assumptions on what they're gonna receive or not receive. And, you know, something we say in the business is, if you don't tell your team members how much money the business is netting or making, they automatically assume it's on average 6 times more than it actually is.

And so I can imagine kids are probably the same way. It's like, well, I see this big house we're living in. I must be getting all this money, you know, when you guys pass it on. But I think transparency is probably super effective. So we always get this question, you know, how much is enough to leave for your kids? And the answer is however much you prepare them for.

You know, it's kind of like the same as what you were saying. And, you know, when I think back of when I started, you know, in my career, I wasn't a technician, but I was just this salesman with a desk and a phone. And they said, have at it. And I did it all wrong. And just like somebody that's maybe a technician that's starting to own their own operation, they didn't go to business school.

Nobody told me how to be a salesman. And I was the guy with the brochure. I was maybe too aggressive. I was, let's just call it super enthusiastic. And I think the only reason I survived is I did have enough passion and enthusiasm. Maybe my clients felt sorry for me and they threw me a little bone. And that was enough to keep me afloat.

And then when I learned the Sandler sales technique of how to be a professional, I mean, it completely changed my life. I mean, I never in a million years would've dreamed that we would have $7 billion to oversee. And I think what you're doing is the same thing when you teach somebody how to be a professional at this business, you know, that's so fragmented.

And is executed so poorly on average around everywhere. When you learn how to do it at this high professional level, it just changes everything. And then hopefully you're starting to see growth and margins and bottom line and EBITDA, the whole thing. And ours is the same way. I luckily learned this process, changed my world. And I think as people learn your process, It changes their world.

And I'm incredibly grateful that you asked me to speak about our way of thinking about sales and creating wealth and talking about future because with your playbook, I think there's no limit. And certainly in our world, as we got better and better at it, there was no limit. And again, never in a million years thought I would have $7 billion that we're responsible for when C student from the University of Texas with a degree in finance where my GPA just kept getting worse and worse the further I got along.

I didn't know you went to UT. That's— yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, but on paper, I don't have— I don't qualify for the job I have, but here we are and we made the most of it. And I think you'd give everybody the same exact opportunity. Yeah, and there's case studies, you know, people at Todd's old company that were restaurant managers in the, uh, '90s that he recruited I know multiple that went on and started their own chain and sold multi— I mean, I think there's a couple of them at least that are over 8, maybe 9 figures in net worth, but obviously they had to work for it for 30 years.

It doesn't come easy. So anyway, I'll leave you with this final question. You may or may not even be able to talk about it, but any market outlooks for us regular people? You think it's just super overheated? And overvalued right now? There's definitely parts of the market that are overdone. The difference in the tech bubble in '08 is the companies didn't make any money.

Now these big tech companies make massive amounts of money. I just read in the Wall Street Journal today that first quarter earnings are supposedly up 28% year over year. Now, a lot of that is coming from those huge tech companies, but are they overdone? Yes. Have we run them up too quick, too fast? Yes. Are they going to keep spending money on AI like crazy?

This year it's supposed to be over $700 billion spent on data centers in one year, and it's going to be multiple trillions at the rate they're going. And is there a trickle-on effect to lots of different businesses that are tied into that? Yes. And is everybody making money? Yes. And the reason we haven't had inflation is because the labor market is strong.

It's as good as it's ever been. 4.3% unemployment is literally as good as it gets going back 70 years. So everybody's got a job. We're making enough money to keep spending money, and companies are making money with record profit margins. And so can this continue? Yes. Does it go in a straight line? No, it doesn't. Right. We'll know when it's coming to an end when— I mean, we're probably already euphoric in certain areas.

I mean, the whole thing. For sure. SpaceX, they lost $5 billion and we valued it at $2 trillion. I mean, how is that possible? Yeah. It's adjusted EBITDA. They depreciated the rockets. It's just crazy. I saw a tweet that was, Elon Musk is a trillionaire on $8 billion of EBITDA. This is so crazy. That's crazy. So, so there are areas that are gonna, you know, come down a little and adjust.

It's not gonna necessarily take down the whole market. And I'll just leave you with this: as long as the consumer has a job and is making money, uh, and continues to consume— I mean, GDP is 68.5% of consumption, is what GDP is in America— as long as we can keep that going, then we'll keep advancing. And then when we start to see see the labor market weaken and consumption go down, and the recession will probably come.

But the recession is not on the radar today. Well, that's exciting to hear. Uh, I'm gonna take that to the bank. No, I'm kidding. Uh, I, I'm, I'm certainly not a financial professional at all, but I, uh, I'm optimistic. I'm just a bull. I, I just think AI is so transformational, some of the things I've seen. Um, and I just, I hear, I hear what you're saying.

It sounds like the companies that are super profitable like are the ones paying for all this stuff. So it's not like, I guess Oracle could go under or like Anthropic or OpenAI if it really hit the fan. But like Google's making $100 billion a year or something in earnings, you know? So the line continues to go up and to the right. I think it's definitely super euphoric feeling sometimes.

So it's like, oh, we gotta be getting close. But all right, well, that's been it. I think that's the pod. I learned a lot today. So Champ, thanks so much for the time. Really appreciate you. And yeah, I think that's the pod. All right, Joe. Thank you, sir. It's been an honor. Appreciate it. All right. All right. Take care. For more information, reach out to Todd Westerland at 925-980-8012 or visit autoshopanswers.com.

You can get more information about Key to Key to Callbacks, Courtside. We have a VIP Rack Attack Day where you spend an entire day in the trenches with our team learning this perfected business model. Uh, we offer leadership classes, we have an AI academy, and also get more information about auto shop callbacks. Uh, we have auto tech training. We are literally your one-stop shop.

Once again, that number for Todd Westerland is 925-980-8012.

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Lewis, where a newsboy and the sign on a bus is the only thing that could distract our attention? No. We are under a constant 24/7 assault for our attention span today. That's where we're communicating from, and when your shop gets a little slow and you decide you're gonna have a knee-jerk reaction to the slowness, and you expect a message to land that leads to action with a population that's drowning in this reality, would it be any surprise that it only sees marginal results? Jimmy Lea: Is there any irony that it is called streaming? Is there any irony that it's called a reel? No. Craig O'Neill: Jimmy, it's like the oldest problems are always resurfaced again in our lifetimes today- Yep ... with different technology. Jimmy Lea: Oh, it's totally different. And now it's 17-second blurbs about it's a seven-second commercial, it's a 17-second commercial. Jimmy Lea: We're being bombarded with this instant stimuli to totally distract us from what is actually real- Yes ... and consequential, and you're being bombarded by things that are momentary blurbs of Jimmy Lea: Endorphins Craig O'Neill: Yeah. It, and it just- It's a Jimmy Lea: temporary- Craig O'Neill: You're competing with that- Yeah ... tendency too, to escape with these things. You're spot on. This, this topic is why I lead into these five barriers to that are causing us, like the things that we're misusing in our CRMs, right? Yeah. I consider them barriers or hurdles because we can get over them. Craig O'Neill: Yeah ... and we can decide to lever it right. And number one and we have a slide for this, so I put it up there. I know some people like to read and some people can listen. I wanted to put this quote on there because... And I'm gonna, fatal sin of speakers, I'm gonna read the quote. I know it's on the slide, but I know some of you can't see it, and I know some of you are only listening. Craig O'Neill: Yes. I can't read it. Oh, Jimmy, I'm sorry. It's too small. Too small? Oh, that's okay. That's why I'm here. Yeah. So- You can Jimmy Lea: read all of them. Read all of Craig O'Neill: them ... it's a big meaty slide. Problem number one though is we're not communicating to people on what matters to them. That's the problem. And to reference this point the, a great read, and please write this down, pick up this book, How to Win Friends and Influence People in the Digital Age. Craig O'Neill: Amen. If you're interested in this topic at all, read that book. It's from the Dale Carnegie and Associates. So updated for the digital age. There's so many profoundly good things in this, and this is a quote I pulled straight from the book, and I wanna make sure it gets its proper reference there. Craig O'Neill: But it says, "When it comes to mattering to others, you must discuss what matters to them. Assume all else will fall on deaf, or in this case, dull ears. This is an interesting principle to consider given the spirit in which the vast majority of people are communicating today. Most messages are primarily meant to educate others about our lives, our products, to reveal compelling portions of ourselves we think others would be attracted to. Craig O'Neill: While this appears to be an assertive strategy, it is actually a passive strategy in that it requires others to connect with us." "The trouble is that's marketing monologue, not relational dialogue. It's assumption, not assimilation. When assumption guides our efforts to befriend or influence others, the results end up on the wrong side of memorable." Craig O'Neill: Okay. End quote. That is that's another, like I'm giving you solid food to digest today. That's, that's- ... we don't have time to go this layer of depth in our presentation at Mars, so that's why I'm really happy to have this conversation today. It's a primer. If you walk in primed with some of these thoughts, you're gonna be able to get a lot more out of it. Craig O'Neill: But here's where I go with this. We are communicating from a position of our interests most of the time in the auto repair shop. When it slows down, we're interested in filling our bay. If we were really interested in having those customers come in, we would have done the harder work of relating and documenting and managing the data, all sorts of things differently to have a sustained conversation that they understood the value in, because we understand what's important to them. Craig O'Neill: And that's a whole different thing, and that's gonna come up again as we move into these, these other hurdles. But I think that's the thing, first and foremost, remember what messages right now are you pushing out there that are not memorable? I didn't give this in the slide, but I have an example recently, Jimmy very recently. Craig O'Neill: I turned 43 earlier in August, and I'm not on social media these days. The one thing that was fun is getting all those birthday harvests. You know how you get all the happy birthday thing. It's actually a lot of work. Yeah. Then you gotta go like everything and all that stuff too. But don't worry, I don't miss that entirely because I have been a patron in local businesses that have CRM systems in my neighborhood chiefly my Subaru dealership where we have a, a vehicle leased presently. Craig O'Neill: And I got three happy birthday emails from three separate people in that organization. Two of them were identical emails automatically constructed, and there was a neat little quote in the bottom of one of those emails. It actually said, "This email is automatically generated, and we do not monitor replies to it." Jimmy Lea: Oh my God. That's- Craig O'Neill: But it was a beautiful picture of balloons with the branding of that dealership on it. Oh, it was touching. It was such a great birthday blessing to receive that on Sunday afternoon. Jimmy Lea: Had it been from an actual person and not an automated system would've made it even better, but... Craig O'Neill: Sure. But does the birthday greeting from a business actually land on the memorable side of communication, or is it a cheap and simple automated gimmick to feign that you care with a direct interest that is more for the business's benefit rather than it is for my birthday, right? Craig O'Neill: Congratulations, you captured my birth date in a data field in a system that is automated to generate a joy, because I don't unsubscribe because I love these examples. It really was a gift for me that I get to use and communicate from. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. And that's good. That's good. Craig O'Neill: But no, this is a common thing, and we've we've seen this strategy. Craig O'Neill: You and I have been in the CRM space for a while, and you've seen that given as a best practice. We wanna capture the, birth date and month, not the year. Birth date and month. And then you can have these sort of birthday messages go out. All right, maybe you have that strategy applied in your shop. Craig O'Neill: Is that a wrongness? No. Maybe some people really appreciate it. I think a lot of people don't give it a second thought, and that's the majority. Jimmy Lea: They probably don't, but they also aren't sending it from an email that is not being monitored and not gonna reply. Craig O'Neill: Let's hope not. Yeah. ' Jimmy Lea: Cause if Jimmy's Super Shop were to send you a happy birthday message, it would purely be a happy birthday message. Jimmy Lea: There's no other ulterior motives whatsoever. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Jimmy- And you would reply and say, "Oh, thank you so much, Jimmy's Super Shop." We would reply again to say Craig O'Neill: I would hope so. Yeah. Now, my experience in birthdays are one thing, but all sorts of messages. I know when CRM automation occurs, and I'll touch on this at Mars a little bit further the team is not engaged in that part of the process, and it's difficult for them to engage in the inbound Present Jimmy Lea: conversation. Jimmy Lea: Yeah Craig O'Neill: Yep. There's a, a loss of continuity there. So I do feel a lot of times there's automated things going out from a shop, but there is actually no behavior that is being encouraged or directed or accountable any accountability layer for the team to be a participant in that. So it does play in that. Craig O'Neill: But this goes to number two which I think is at the root of the whole problem, and this is, again, another quote from the Dale Carnegie and Associates. First off, problem number two we're not cultivating a community, and this, this principle comes for me from my study in this book. And as I was reading that book, assessing how shops are leveraging CRMs, this stuck out. Craig O'Neill: And it says, and I quote, "Often forgotten is the long-term plan. Businesses call it a customer retention strategy, but it is best thought of as a lively, meaningful dialogue among a community of friends. If the foundation of all long-term success is the establishment of trust-based relationships, then the goal of all interactions should be to convey value as soon and as often as possible." Jimmy Lea: Not just birthdays. Craig O'Neill: Not just birthdays as a data field. What's meaningful for a client in a repair shop? What's meaningful to them in a repair shop? What is the purpose in our community, and how are you articulating the value of staying in touch so we can continue to express what this purpose is and how it benefits you? Craig O'Neill: And by the way, Mr. Client, it's very important, save this number in your phone so that you recognize that we're a contact 'cause you can reach out to us here, and we're gonna be here if you have any questions. And that's starting to get to the sense of community here. And Jimmy, this is getting more important. Craig O'Neill: In today's world, here's a tip for y'all right now. I want you to open up your phone, go to your text message app, look at the spam folder How many messages do you have in the spam folder of your messages app, whether you're using Android or Apple, does not matter. Automatically, messages are going straight to those folders with default settings from the phone's operating system and device. Craig O'Neill: There's a bunch in there, and a lot of it probably is spam, correct, Jimmy? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I'm pretty sure all of it's spam. Craig O'Neill: A lot of times it's very accurate in mine. I- I've only on occasion seen one or two messages in there. Here's how your shop is gonna land in the spam folder. If the client never accepts you as a contact and never engages in the dialogue with you in text. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: And so the manifestation of this, and I've started to see more of this recently, very recently, just this summer people sending a DVI link to their client, for example, but the client claims they never got it. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: But they do receive- Because it went to spam ... messages without the link went to the spam folder because sometimes those links are just being interpreted when it's not saved as a contact. Craig O'Neill: The solution is to get it saved as a contact. Interesting little issue, but that takes a little effort, doesn't it, to keep your client- Yeah ... to add you as a contact. There's some cool tools to do that, simple QR code scans, and lots of things we can do at the counter to help people through this problem. Craig O'Neill: But we need our advisors to express the importance of the communication and why they should want it before they'll ever accept it as a contact. Jimmy Lea: That's right. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So interesting, right? So I think that cultivation of a community, that's the easy entry point. Help them understand the value of the communication that's coming and why we're going to be reaching you and make sure they actually do want it. Craig O'Neill: And that leads perfectly into hurdle number three. Hurdle number three is we are not gaining an opt-in for the purpose we seek. And Jimmy, you know this is true across the board generally for opt-ins and shop capturing, and we're gonna talk just a minute about this here as well. We'll do this after the next point. Craig O'Neill: The next point is a strong one on this. But you want the customer to want the message from you. Yeah. Does that happen automatically that they understand what you're going to be sending them and why you're going to be sending it? Jimmy Lea: Not unless you explain it. Craig O'Neill: Not unless you explain it. What's the value in it for them? Craig O'Neill: Why is there a benefit for them to be on a list in your shop for a certain type of message? I used an example earlier about text blast when it gets slow. And the mistake I see the most, Jimmy, is that shops literally have their all or repeat customer list, and they just hit this whole list with this message like, "Hey, we're slow. Craig O'Neill: Come in." Yeah. What if... just go with me here. Love it. What if you created a list that people could sign up and subscribe to in your shop? It's like, "Hey, if you wanna join our slow day list, there's a couple advantages of this. If you wanna just you have a few lingering maintenance items type of a thing, and we have openings we have a... Craig O'Neill: Maybe there's a promotion rate, or maybe it's just literally we can get you in and out because we know time is important, and we're not a discount culture anymore here, right? So maybe we express the speed of service. We know it's inconvenient to have the car down when it's quiet like this. We'll have loaners or rides available. Craig O'Neill: Whatever. There's benefits for you signing up on this list, so you can gain access to this thing that we're gonna do to make it better for you. Would you like to be on that list? We maybe send one or two of these out-" a quarter and perfect, right? And they sign up for that, so now you've got a warm lead list of people who are ready to fill your bays when they need filling. Craig O'Neill: How hard would it be to create that? Jimmy Lea: Oh, not very hard, and I wanna rename it already. I wanna call it the VIP available spots list. Perfect. Craig O'Neill: Yes. Yes. All sorts of things that you could do. Yeah, you could call it your membership list. Whatever. You go crazy. Have fun with it. Communicate the value of it. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And you have some- My wife does this at art shows. She sells her art in these art shows, and she's found that even just the placement of the sign-up form matters. Like, when it's front and center, people who are waiting in line for the checkout now are able to sign into that book while they're waiting for their turn to check out with the art, and she gets way more signups for her email list. Craig O'Neill: Love it. It's perfect. Yeah, and similar practices are totally possible still today, but what do shops do? We automatically assume everyone wants to get any type of message we wanna have for any purpose, and we never clarify or distinguish any special type of thing, and thus they never get the opt-in. Craig O'Neill: And thus, what are your opt-outs telling you? Man, that's their first chance to talk to you about their preference for the type of communication you send. And you know what happens in an opt-out, Jimmy. You know as well as I do. That number's blacklisted at the carrier level. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: That's hard to undo. Now you gotta communicate to them about the value of reengaging in that by texting the word start to this number, and that's a harder thing for a busy service advisor or customer service rep to be able to engage in. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No, it's true. It's true. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: We've gotta communicate with them on the level they want in the form that they want. And sometimes those opt-outs are them saying, "Look, I just don't want to communicate in this method." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: But what do they prefer? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Might Craig O'Neill: be. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: What's the conversation? Where have you built the relationship to continue that conversation on their preferred platform? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Look, I cooked my cellphone a long time ago doing demos of AutoFlow at, with multiple instances. Now I get texts that I forget to clear out of their thing all the time. That texting's not the best way to get me during the day. I am, however, in my inbox. And I promise you, you have clients that's the same thing for them too. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Or they don't even want... Now, go with me here. What if we had a list of people who prefer a phone call follow-up, Jimmy? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. And there are. Craig O'Neill: Yes. Jimmy Lea: There's people that's what they would prefer. Craig O'Neill: Yes. 100% yes. And if you don't get the buy-in from that group, and you think everyone wants a phone call follow-up we already do this- You're wrong Craig O'Neill: at Chris' shop, Jimmy. Yeah. You wanna know in about 90 to 120 follow-up calls that we do in a week there we have a gal doing this for us, for Golden Rule Auto Care. Yeah. We get about 10 to 15% of those calls that go out end up with good connections. Like a good conversation. Jimmy Lea: Oh, they actually answer the phone and have a Craig O'Neill: conversation. Craig O'Neill: Actually answer the phone and have a conversation. Only 10 to 15% 10 to 15. Around 120 calls. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. I, Craig O'Neill: I- Not a huge number. Jimmy Lea: No, it's not. Because people are busy, and they don't wanna be interrupted. And those that want the conversations, they're the ones that answer the phone. And the other 80, 85%, 90% prefer a text message or an email or a Facebook message or purely nothing at all. Jimmy Lea: Thank you very much. Goodbye. Craig O'Neill: Let me ask you this, Jimmy. You got it, man. And when you get a phone call today from a number that's not a contact in your phone- ... do you answer it? Jimmy Lea: Voicemail. No. I- Craig O'Neill: Or screening? Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: I found the you push the two buttons on both sides, boop, right into voicemail. Done. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. I, I have, one of the call screener things on mine now. If it's not a contact, it hits that pretty much automatically. I don't answer my phone. I don't answer my phone. I then check to see the missed call, and if it is something important, I'll call it back. That's the world we're entering, and it's the same principle that we just discussed with that text message that i- if they darn a contact, same is true for the phone number that you're dialing from. Craig O'Neill: If that hasn't yet been saved as a contact, look, guys, your call isn't gonna be trusted yet. Area codes that are mine are the least trusted. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yes. But that's the world now, and we have to be able to recognize that and combat that. Yeah ... but that involves becoming that contact, agreeing to that type of conversation, and maybe making a note somewhere in your management or CRM system about those preferred lev- levels of contact. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So- that's the hard work here, and I understand why shops that are low staff or only have one service advisor to five technicians, and he's also the CSR, and he handles payroll because he's also the owner, and yeah, it gets really tough really fast. And you have opportunity there when you're overwhelmed to hire someone else who can do these things, that's gonna add value to your business. Craig O'Neill: They'll be able to help cultivate these lists, which ke- it's more retention, guarantees you have the income and the cashflow to be able to support their livelihood, and everything gets better. But the starting point's really tough. Problem Jimmy Lea: Number four Craig O'Neill: Let's go. All right, this one's key. Mass blasts- Oh Craig O'Neill: without express written permission are against the law. True. And this is- True ... the really bonkers part of this is shops are loosely aware of this and yet they do it anyway. I forget what the fine is right now, and I'm not a lawyer. I'm not giving legal advice. Just disclaimer on that if you can put it in bold. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, no. But I think it's a $1,500 fine per offense, and if somebody knows that they did not expressly give you permission to text them very specifically- Jimmy Lea: Yep ... Craig O'Neill: text is what we're talking about here. Yep ... that's something they could sue you for and win every time. Notice a lot of the largest organizations out there with multiple locations do not engage in this method of follow-up Jimmy Lea: Because- They Craig O'Neill: know the targets Jimmy Lea: they've lost multiple court cases. Jiffy Lube is one that comes to mind. You can Google it. Court cases where Jiffy Lube had to pay out multimillion dollars because of their mass texting clients. A- and- and what's makes it worse is that they were mass texting clients who had opted out. Craig O'Neill: Oh. Oh, no. Craig O'Neill: So they had a blacklist failure- Yeah ... which is even another thing. So yeah, this is where, okay, you videcoders out there, I know you're out there, and I know you're even playing with APIs from groups like Twilio. And you might think "Cool, we can do texting real easy." Guess what? Start managing your blacklist because Twilio sometimes doesn't do it properly for you. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And the carrier sometimes doesn't do it properly, and it is still you on the hook every time. And if you're giving your software platform to other people to use, your platform, unless it has clear terms and conditions, could also fall under some scrutiny. Oh, boy. It gets sticky. Investigate that. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. It does. It really is. So there's a difference between mass sending a marketing message versus pinpointing and being very specific. Craig O'Neill: Oh, I'm glad you bring this up, Jimmy. Yeah we have a slide on this. So CRM permissions are not actually the same across the board in multiple channels. So the- you probably use terms like transactional versus promotional, Jimmy, I'm sure. Craig O'Neill: But industry terms do vary from- from some- And our industry itself is not usually good at taking universal language- ... Craig O'Neill: And carrying it forward. But these three categories of- of text messages, I put this out. This is I don't have the source on here, but I pulled this source from online. Craig O'Neill: Conversational, informational, promotional. I wanna draw your attention to that blue arrow on the screen. It's kind of a bluish-green arrow, Jimmy. It's on that- Yep ... one, two, three, third row down, where it's talking about how that- that message is constructed. Messages promoting a brand, a product, or a service Or anything that prompts a consumer to buy something, go somewhere, or otherwise take an action. Craig O'Neill: That, if it's in that category, requires express written consent to be legal. Express written consent. Consumers may sign a form, check a box online, or otherwise provide consent to receive promotional text message in some fashion. That express written consent is the highest form of consent, and I haven't met an organization that's tracking it yet. Jimmy Lea: And through the TCPA- Yeah ... which is the act that governs over texting and how you can communicate, it used to be that you had to have a wet signature for that promotional message to go out, and you had to retain it for seven years even after you stopped your business. You still had to have it on file. Jimmy Lea: It's now changed. You can track it digitally. Yes. But you have to be able to provide the source, the date, the time, where it consent was given- Craig O'Neill: Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: for you to send promotional messages. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: conversational, reminders, informational. Now and it's interesting you've got informational broke out here that you do need consent Craig O'Neill: Express consent, which is different than express written consent, and this was interesting to me when I started studying this too, and these things are pretty stable. Craig O'Neill: I don't see this element changing a lot. Yeah. But permission can happen over text on that, or on a form or a website, or verbally, and that's an interesting one. And that's just a message that contains information, just information. It's a status update, it's an appointment confirmation or a reminder. Craig O'Neill: Those types of things are information text, and that's handled- Yeah ... very differently than a promotional marketing text that's asking them to take an action. It tips towards promotional anytime you're asking them to click a link to schedule an appointment, for example, on your slow day blast type of scenario. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. That is a promotional text purely. Even if it's a deferred service reminder. Think about those deferred service drips that people have active in just about every CRM system in the world. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: That is asking the consumer to take an action, and this is exactly the type of thing I will be combating in, in, in our session at Mars 'cause we have a better way forward. Craig O'Neill: We can start talking a little bit about that here too. But those deferred work little drips are... Like, it's a strange thing to do. It's the thing your customer said no to during your visit that we're now assuming they want to receive an, a reminder about without any knowledge that this is coming, and certainly no express written consent. Craig O'Neill: And all of the burden is fully on them to take the action to make something happen about that still deferred work. Yeah. We aren't doing anything. We, in fact, automated the whole thing. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. So what's- Craig O'Neill: It's a passive reminder, as we discussed earlier, right? Jimmy Lea: What's the better way? Are we gonna discuss that here, or are you waiting for Mars? Craig O'Neill: Oh, we can ta- we can talk on it here. So our better way is, it depends on our sense of purpose here, but I think let's go to barrier number five before we talk about that better way, 'cause I think this plays into the whole topic that we're discussing. And this is really the largest barrier, and it is the, the one that I think needs to be overcome before you fix any of the other ones. Craig O'Neill: We don't have our whole organization truly oriented towards retention as a goal What are we oriented towards then? Is the question I like to ask. And if you really stop and you really think about what your organization is structured to achieve, what is it? And it might be what you consider your most important metric might give you a clue. Craig O'Neill: I think it's an interesting question to ask, Jimmy. I do this a lot in different courses. I ask what's the most important metric for a service advisor or for a technician or for this or that?" I like to ask specifically for our front counter staff, whether it be a CSR, a reservationist, a service advisor, whoever we have working our front counter. Craig O'Neill: What is their most important metric? And you get all kinds of answers. You've probably heard every one of them, Jimmy. Closing rate. Those service advisors are like, "I sell 98.92% of all work I ever write up." Terrible stat, by the way, 'cause that's the work you write up. You can artificially inflate your closing rate on sales by writing up what you know will sell. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. But I th- I'm gonna give you my answer. Jimmy Lea: Okay. Craig O'Neill: Your ratio of returning customers Jimmy Lea: Agreed Craig O'Neill: It's your most important statistic Jimmy Lea: If they're not coming back, you're doing something wrong Craig O'Neill: Correct. Yeah, I don't care what your ARO is really. It's an interesting stat to know. You'll establish baselines for all sorts of KPIs. Craig O'Neill: They tell you useful information. But is our goal to sell all of the stuff we find on every visit? And is our team like, "Is that's what's gonna impress the boss? That's what's gonna make him very happy"? Jimmy Lea: No, returning customers. Totally agree. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, because what's the value of one good visit, right? Yeah. Craig O'Neill: What's the value of one visit versus the lifetime value of a client? Jimmy Lea: Yes. The lifetime value has so much more weight to it. Neck and neck. Tens of thousands of dollars versus- Craig O'Neill: Hundreds. Yeah ... Jimmy Lea: hundreds that, for that one visit. Craig O'Neill: Some, yeah. Yeah. And o- I had family accounts, family accounts- Yeah ... literally in the hundreds of thousands with, For Jimmy Lea: the lifetime value? Craig O'Neill: Lifetime value of that particular individual. He had a lot of vehicles in the family. Jimmy Lea: And, What's the family fleet? Craig O'Neill: It's the family fleet ... it's a family fleet. It's Jimmy Lea: a Craig O'Neill: fleet Jimmy Lea: account. Craig O'Neill: Yep. Yep, but even when the kids grew up, they were still coming in as well, too, and that, the lifetime value of the relationships that turn into more things, like, man, if that's true, though, and we do this. Craig O'Neill: Jimmy, we pay lip service to this all the time in our industry. It's a relationship-based business. It is. And then we go and we emphasize we gotta sell this much, and this is our target for sales, and all this other thing, and it's and how much time really are we putting our human attention on our team's human attention in this frenetic age on retention strategy? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. How involved are they in your team right now towards the goal of getting people back in the door from the beginning of that visit to the end of that visit, and what happens in between, the humans involved? And Jimmy, you've been in this industry. It... Most shops, I hear they say, "Hey, my guys aren't gonna use this. Craig O'Neill: I just need this to be automated." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. We'll try and make it sound as personal as possible in that automation, but Craig O'Neill: Yeah, we use those cool little variables. Your service advisor gets filled in with the service advisor's name, all the automated message, and automation has merit. It does. We create, through automation, consistent repeatability of things that we want to have occur That's good, right? Craig O'Neill: It is. Jimmy Lea: Make it personable, and make sure you're responding. Craig O'Neill: And make sure you had a hand in that, and make sure you are responding. Correct. The service advisors know these are going out, they know when it's going out, and they're maybe involved in scanning to see who replied and who didn't, or maybe that's somebody's job in the shop. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. And we'll talk about this at Mars a little further. I believe it is somebody's job in the shop. We call... I call it the reservationist. A lot of people have a CSR. Yes ... it's a fun topic because... And it goes deep, and we have podcasts on that too. But dude, it's an orientation thing. It's if it's important to you, you're gonna do something about it. Craig O'Neill: If it's not important to you, you won't do anything about it, and that's the measure that, yeah, like, all right. So I just kinda threw a C.S. Lewis mindset at you. There's like this is one of the things I love about reading some of these, these thinkers, right? It's and of course, he's Christian apologetics and that sort of thing, but he said... Craig O'Neill: i'm breaking it down to just a simple point, like something is important or it's not important at all. Craig O'Neill: That middle ground in this topic, I think this is true, that middle ground's not given to us, which forces us to either have to decide, "Eh, it's really not important and we can continue as we are because we're okay with the results," or, "No, this is a really important topic. Craig O'Neill: Our strategy for getting clients into the shop is of actually critical importance to the ultimate success of our business, and is the most important thing that we should be focusing on to guarantee our success. So we're gonna really put in all of our effort towards this goal instead of just reacting to the chaos, reacting to the things that made it in today." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Craig O'Neill: Wow. What would happen to your business with that focus? Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. Yeah. Man. We wanna exponentially increase it. We wanna rocket fuel this. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: And I wonder what the statistics are. There, there was a, a, a read a while ago that talked about restaurant industry was tracking this. How can they get a client to come back for the second dining experience- Yeah Jimmy Lea: and the third dining experience, and the fourth dining experience? And once they get 'em in for that fourth dining experience, they've got a client for life. Craig O'Neill: True. Yeah. I actually just had a interesting restaurant follow-up. I'm on the email list for one of the sushi joints here in Grand Rapids. I love sushi. Craig O'Neill: Love this place. We go Maru Sushi on Cherry Street. Fantastic. Next time you're in Grand Rapids, wonderful. Love going there with my wife. It's our go-to spot. We had a couple months of a dry spell there where we didn't make it in, and we were busy with art shows and all sorts of stuff. Sure. And I got an email that must have been triggered. Craig O'Neill: It's like their little lost customer reminder. It's like- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... " Craig O'Neill: It's been a while. Here's a free app- appetizer" Okay ... for next, on, on your next visit." It was an interesting follow-up. I thought it was really good. Oh yeah, it has been a while. Man, I want sushi right now, is what I experienced with that. Craig O'Neill: And then, and there's a benefit for me right there in it, and I already wanna go there anyways. It's just been a while. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: It's a great way of getting you back in. I, there, there was the example That the manager would go around and say, "Oh, is this your first time?" They had different colored napkins, so he knew- The servers ask us, they're the new ones that don't recognize us. Jimmy Lea: They ask, "Have you guys been in before?" It's like, "Oh, yeah." Yeah. All right. "You can hold on to the menu. N- unless you need it to show us that you haven't taken the order yet," right? Yeah. Yeah. The the managers are going around and they're giving away, "Hey, on your second visit, make sure you try the cheesecake, and here's a coupon for a free cheesecake." Jimmy Lea: You get me back for a $100 meal for a free cheesecake, is it worth it? Craig O'Neill: Totally. Jimmy Lea: What's that cheesecake cost you? Craig O'Neill: Cheapest marketing. All right. So look- Cheesecake more cost ... how much Jimmy Lea: money Craig O'Neill: do you spend on other marketing efforts for what kind of results? Jimmy Lea: Yeah. And we've got to do the optimizing everywhere. Jimmy Lea: We've got to optimize ourself in all the locations. There's, which is true. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: But also how effective, and it's extremely, ex- extremely effective when they're there at your shop enjoying the experience, you give them a reason to come back. Craig O'Neill: Yes. And I like what you said there, Jimmy, and I think that's worth drawing some out a little further. Craig O'Neill: What you described is what I we have an improv club in our Toastmasters club, so the we play a lot of improv games, and we've been taught the yes and- Yes and ... approach. Yes and. Yes and. It is, it's, so it's a rule in improv where one of the people in your troupe are make something, that's truth now. Craig O'Neill: You react with that. It's not, you can't go combat this thing. It's not this or this. It's these things now have to be recognized as, as connected. The reality of Jimmy Lea: what you create. Combining forces for something good. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So you said- Using that idea ... all networks, all channels, and this is exactly it. Craig O'Neill: This conversation that we're having doesn't say "Oh, yeah, we just master this and we won't need to spend as much money in this other area." That's not necessarily the case. Now, although maybe you have have some restructuring of that, it's you do refine your strategy on how your team is engaging retention, and you continue your outreach efforts, and maybe restructure how your phone call skills and other things go into all the m- effort you did take towards generating leads actually gets converted into real clients that come back again. Jimmy Lea: Oh, yeah. W- I was talking to a shop the other day, "My marketing's not working. My marketing's not working. I need to redo all my marketing." Got digging into his phone call log, discovered 43% of phone calls were- Ooh ... not being answered. No. 43%. Craig O'Neill: This is the world th- that AI assistants are entering. Craig O'Neill: And Jimmy- Yes ... this is this is the deepest, saddest thing in the world for me. AI assistants are one, a thing that is i- in demand and two, that it's sometimes better than the Jimmy Lea: people. If you're not able to answer the phone, you need to figure out either you need a human that's there answering the phone, or you implement this AI answering system- Oh, man Jimmy Lea: that's tied to your point of sale that sees your schedule, that can schedule- Better Craig O'Neill: at containing the context and keeping the notes and everything else ... four different... Jimmy Lea: Absolutely. Craig O'Neill: Yeah, I know. Jimmy Lea: And it's true. If- I do not support the idea that the AI answering your system is going to replace your advisor. Jimmy Lea: Absolutely not. Yeah. Craig O'Neill: No. Jimmy Lea: You do need to answer the phone as quickly as you humanly possibly can, but if you're not able to, that's where you've got this backup that can take care of business. And it's an interesting thing. Craig O'Neill: And this backup Jimmy Lea: is just that. Yeah. It needs to be backup, not plan A. Craig O'Neill: Oh, not plan A. Craig O'Neill: And in fact, you need to be aware And we were having this conversation in our team, too 'cause our sales guys, when they're calling shops, they're hitting AI- Jimmy Lea: Yes ... Craig O'Neill: systems far more frequently than they ever used to, and it's interesting to see that volume go. But simultaneously, we understand, like, how do you feel personally when you call a business and the first thing you get is an AI? Craig O'Neill: Are you happy or a little sad about that? And in an election year right now, it has turned divisive. And we did tailor- trace this back to this really started about two weeks ago. Even in demos where we're talking about AI features- ... the data center issue is coming up. And, like, all these things are, like, top of mind, front and center. Craig O'Neill: "Oh, I can't believe you guys are engaging with AI stuff in this world right now." And it's oh, wow, hot button issue. You have an AI assistant, you probably are gonna have a 50/50 split. I'm y- I'm talking 50/50. Some people will love it and think it's fine or just tolerate it. The other 50% are going to hate it, hate you, and may never call you again. Craig O'Neill: And congratulations, now we're in 2026. Yep. Jimmy Lea: And I, I think the 50/50 might be a little, Craig O'Neill: I'm just thinking about how the elections play out- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... for two different parties. I propose there's probably a 30%, maybe a 33% that loves it, 33%- Fair ... that hates it, and 33% that's in that middle that says, "Ah." Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: I Craig O'Neill: would love to see a strong third party too, Jimmy, but that's neither here nor there. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. So look at this though. We talked orientation. We don't have a whole organization structured towards retention. Now I had a great coach. Bob Greenwood was my coach. He passed away 2021. And I talk about this frequently. I echo what he taught me a long time ago, and he described our professional responsibility. Craig O'Neill: He asked the question, "What's our job? What's our job? What is your job?" I remember being the technician in the room that raised my hand, and I told him what he was expecting someone in the room to raise their hand and say. Jimmy Lea: Fix cars. " Craig O'Neill: I fix cars." Yep. He pounced. He was ready. This is what he did. I've seen him do it multiple conversations after that. Craig O'Neill: He said, "No. Your job, your professional responsibility, is to make sure the vehicle's safe, reliable, and efficient. That's the job. And that, Mr. Client, is why we do a multi-point inspection on every vehicle that we do, and we will send this digitally to you, and we won't let you down." And there's lots more that goes into that, but there's a whole underlaying sense of purpose about the service that we provided. Craig O'Neill: And if that is our job, to make sure the vehicle's safe, reliable, and efficient, we owe it to our customers to be participants in that- Yeah ... as a member of the community of which they are also driving in. It has direct benefits to us and the other people we love on the streets. But that's an orientation, right? Craig O'Neill: And if that is what you believe about your purpose in this industry- Amen ... yeah, we're gonna start following up with the strong ability to communicate that sense of purpose, and people will hear the conviction in there and that commitment that you made to not letting them down. And that is not going to be heard in your competitors. Craig O'Neill: If you master this, and you don't, you will stand out, I promise you. Jimmy Lea: It's true. It's true. Yeah. Craig, this is a, a phenomenal conversation that we're having, talking about all things marketing, customers, customer relationships. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Managing those relationships, communicating in their preferred method, form, and fashion. Jimmy Lea: This is gonna continue in our Mars Conference. I can't wait. Let's throw up that QR code again. If you are able to attend, and you are listening to this, today is... What day is today? Craig O'Neill: Today is the 9th. Jimmy Lea: September 9th It's called Wednesday. September 9th, intensive giveaway winners. Oh, don't forget the giveaway winners here, Craig. Jimmy Lea: We've- Oh ... le- but- Great Do you wanna announce the winners first, or do you wanna announce the the special giveaway for everybody listening? Craig O'Neill: Let's do the winners first, Jimmy. I'm excited. So we had a drawing as we had two tickets to give away to Mars, and we have two winners, and we'll be sending emails to these winners as well. Craig O'Neill: Winner number one, Preston Callahan. Winner number two, Jordan Jawarenko. And we will get those emails out to you and hope to see you in Utah. And yeah bring your hiking shoes if you wanna go up in the hills with me. I definitely encourage getting up in the hills. So- Jimmy Lea: Are you gonna be rucking? Craig O'Neill: Oh, see, when I'm in the hills I don't just bring useless weight, I bring actual hiking gear, so I just call it hiking when I'm actually in a mountain. Jimmy Lea: When you're in Utah, you go hiking. Yeah. Everywhere else it's Craig O'Neill: rucking. Yeah. Rucking is what I would call urban hiking. Jimmy Lea: It's for you flatlanders. Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Yeah. So no, I will definitely be ha- I have a pack, I have I put water in there for weight and snacks that I can eat, and the, the idea is you get it lighter as you go with that sort of stuff, but- Oh ... it's absolutely beautiful. So these- Yeah ... are the winners from the Autoflow drawing that we'd had. Craig O'Neill: Those of you who did not win on that drawing, we'll still email you and hope to see you in Utah. Take advantage of this promotion. I think it's gonna be a great conversation. I've done this intensive multiple times. Jimmy, I gotta give you guys some props on this because this is my favorite format literally in all events that I go to. Craig O'Neill: You're in one room together at your headquarters in Ogden, Utah- Yeah ... which is a cool town. Everyone hears the same presenter. We get everyone here asking those same questions, and then- Yep ... the next presenter's gonna be up, and then we do that. We have great food in between, and then there's breakout sessions afterward where we get to go and break out into groups and discuss everything that's done. Craig O'Neill: No one's missing any of the context from any of the presentations. It's not like you're in one session and then another session is going on and "Man, that would've been a cool talk too, but this is really good." You don't have any fear of missing out on anything that's happening. Everybody's a participant the whole way. Craig O'Neill: It's awesome. Jimmy Lea: Oh, and I love the, the vendors are included. Everyone is in the same- Yeah ... room, and we're having these conversations together. It's not just shop owner to shop owner point of view. We get everybody's point of view in on these conversations- Yeah ... which is super awesome. All right. So if you scan this QR code, grab out your smartphone, scan this QR code, this is a coupon. Jimmy Lea: It is on- coupon, oh, I hate calling it that. Yeah. This is a special member VIP. Because you are watching this webinar, this is a cu- the, this code is good until 12:00 AM tomorrow morning, Pacific Daylight Time The code is, and I have to switch over to my other computer, the code is Mars300. This is $300 off of the general admission pricing. Jimmy Lea: So you and a- anybody of the public that is out there, you will get the webinar, the the whole entire intensive, Mars Intensive at the institute member pricing. So use the code Mars, M-A-R-S 300, and that is good until, for in the next, what? 12 hours? Craig O'Neill: Yeah. Where are we? 10, 12- And after Jimmy Lea: you fill that out- Oh, 13 hours. Jimmy Lea: You got 13 hours. Ready, set, go. Go ahead ... after Craig O'Neill: you fill that out, email us and I will tell you my favorite two sushi joints in Ogden, Utah, and maybe we can even grab a bite there. Jimmy Lea: Ooh, that's great. And you know what? We do have a couple of more tickets available. There's not a lot, but there are a few more tickets available for that exclusive dinner with Cecil Bullard. Craig O'Neill: Nice. Jimmy Lea: We're gonna have some great conversations. Those that are speakers are invited to be able to be part of this conversation and it's an exclusive dinner with Cecil, so you're gonna have some really good, intense, great conversations with the speakers of the event, with Cecil being there. These are gonna be some really good focused conversations. Jimmy Lea: Those Craig O'Neill: are my favorite moments, Jimmy. Yeah, the event is one thing, but the conversations that happen throughout and at dinners these... If you're not frequently going to industry events like this is... You owe it to yourself to do this. The ideas that you get to go back with are phenomenal, and the connections that you make and the sense of community that you feel that, that's permanent Jimmy Lea: Agreed. Jimmy Lea: Agreed. Couldn't have said it better. Thank you, Craig. Oh, yeah. Congratulations to Preston. Congratulations to Jordan. Look forward to seeing you in Ogden, Utah, October 26th, 27th and 28th, right before SEMA Apex. And for those who are the adventurous types rent a car. Let's go drive down through Zion and Bryce Canyon and- Yes Jimmy Lea: I'm sure Craig Craig O'Neill: and- Zion. If you haven't been to Zion National Park, what is that place? It is beautiful. It is. Southern Utah, phenomenal, dude. I could go... We have another hour here, so we can just talk about Southern Utah. Man, dude- ... you guys have got the pocket of beauty in this world. It is phenomenal. Craig O'Neill: Like- Jimmy Lea: It's gorgeous. Yeah. It is gorgeous. Craig O'Neill: Absolutely. You will... And Salt Lake City's no joke either. You fly in there, you're gonna think, "This is amazing," and it is. And then you go to Southern Utah and you think "What is... It gets better?" Jimmy Lea: Yep. Yep. Glad you had a great experience with your family down there in Southern Utah. Craig O'Neill: Dude, my wife and I are flying out a little early. We're staying through the weekend before the Mars Intensive we're gonna be hiking some hills then too. It's hard to get the bigger hikes in between the event stuff. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Craig O'Neill: It gets dark- Yes, it is ... it gets hard on the mountain. Jimmy Lea: It does. It does. Jimmy Lea: Even with that, it's not quite enough. I got you. With that, thank you, Craig. I appreciate you being here, brother. Oh, thanks. Thank you so much. Look forward to Mars- Can't wait ... the Mars Intensive. Let's continue this conversation. Let's get in deeper with these conversations and have a great time. I will see you there. Jimmy Lea: Thank you, everybody. See Craig O'Neill: you soon.

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Confessions of a Shop OwnerSeptember 8 · 1h 1m

Ep 114 - Turnkey Marketing Call #1 | The $84,000 Mistake Hiding in Your Shop

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREMike Allen sits down with Carrie-Lynn Rodenberg of Turnkey Marketing to kick off a new monthly series that lets listeners sit in on the marketing side of running Mike's shops. They break down marketing budgets, customer acquisition, direct mail, attribution, branding, customer retention, phone performance, and why simply making the phone ring means nothing if the shop can’t convert the opportunity. Carrie-Lynn also uncovers a painful number at Mike’s flagship store: hundreds of first-time callers but only a fraction turning into customers, potentially representing tens of thousands of dollars in missed revenue. Along the way, Mike admits he may be Turnkey’s worst client, explains why shutting marketing off when you’re busy can come back to haunt you months later, and learns that sometimes the marketing isn’t broken — the operation is.Timestamps: 00:00 Seven Years Since Turnkey First Visited Carfix00:41 Mike Used to Sleep at the Shop03:15 Meet Carrie-Lynn Rodenberg and Turnkey Marketing05:24 Mike Buys Marketing Tools… Then Forgets to Use Them07:05 How Mike Started Working With Turnkey08:57 Mike Tried Doing His Own Marketing — Then Came Back09:07 Why We’re Recording Mike’s Marketing Calls11:21 The Hidden Cost of Bad Marketing13:25 Sniper Marketing vs. Spray and Pray13:41 Carrie-Lynn Went From Doing Everything to Building a Team14:44 Mike’s 115-Episode Long Con 😂15:51 Stop Making Your Marketing About Yourself17:28 Why Most Small-Business Marketing Becomes White Noise20:14 Your Competition Is Better Than You Think21:36 How a Business Responds When Things Go Wrong23:07 Every Shop Says They Have Great Service23:53 How Do You Actually Stand Out?26:24 Why Direct Mail Takes Time to Work28:50 Every Shop Has Blind Spots29:33 Want to Ruin Mike’s Day? Listen to His Phone Calls30:12 Did Your Marketing Actually Make the Phone Ring?30:59 Why Marketing Attribution Is So Difficult32:27 The Creepy Side of Modern Targeted Marketing34:29 Can You Target Technicians at a Competitor’s Shop?36:12 What Turnkey’s Marketing Onboarding Looks Like37:26 SEO, AI Search and Building the Right Marketing Mix40:04 Bad Marketing Can Cost You Technicians Too40:24 Mike Confesses He Might Be Turnkey’s Worst Client42:34 Carrie-Lynn Finds a Painful Number43:41 What Should Your Call Conversion Rate Be?44:25 229 New Callers… Only 56 New Cars44:55 Mike Explains Where Carfix Dropped the Ball46:16 How Service Advisors Say “No” Without Saying No47:06 More Staffing Means More Opportunity to Say Yes49:54 Did Carfix Leave $84K on the Table?50:24 The Marketing Worked — Carfix Didn’t Convert It50:49 Why You Shouldn’t Turn Marketing Off When You’re Busy51:23 Today’s Marketing Decisions Affect Your Slow Season52:47 The Cheapest Customer Is the One You Already Have53:16 Why Customer Retention Matters So Much54:18 Why Shops Should Prebook the Next Appointment54:54 Convenience May Be Your Biggest Competitive Advantage55:21 You Might Be Paying to Market Your Competition56:20 A $100 Lead Could Become a $32,000 Lost Customer57:33 What This New Monthly Marketing Series Will Look Like58:51 Mike Finally Promises New Pictures

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Remarkable Results RadioSeptember 8 · 32 min

The Power of Financing: A Growth Tool for Auto Repair Shops [RR 1108]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode What happens when a customer needs a $2,000 repair but doesn’t have the cash available today? That moment can determine whether the vehicle gets repaired, the customer delays a critical service, or they take their business somewhere else. For automotive shops, offering flexible payment options can be more than a convenience. It can be a powerful tool for helping customers say yes to the work their vehicles need. Kwane Stokes, Assistant Vice President and Relationship Manager in the automotive division at Synchrony, explains how the program can help shops remove financial barriers, increase repair opportunities, and create another reason for customers to return. Kwane also addresses why many shops still aren't offering financing and how the biggest obstacle may simply be the assumptions advisors make about a customer's ability or willingness to pay. What You'll Learn Why financing should be presented as a payment option, not something an advisor decides a customer needs.How the program's average first and repeat purchase amounts demonstrate the potential impact on average repair order (ARO).Why assuming a customer can't qualify for credit can cause shops to lose needed repair work.How monthly promotional offers can give shops another reason to communicate with their customers.How advisor incentives and simple training can encourage more consistent presentation of financing.What the upcoming "waterfall" financing model could mean for customers who aren't approved through the primary credit program. The biggest opportunity may not be finding more customers. It may be giving the customers already sitting at your counter more ways to say yes. The key is removing the assumption that you know what a customer can or cannot afford. Present the options, explain them clearly, and let the customer decide what works for their financial situation. For a shop, financing isn't simply about collecting payment. It's another tool for helping customers get the repairs they need while protecting the relationship and keeping the work in your shop. Kwane Stokes, AVP, Relationship Manager, Auto Network, Synchrony Learn more about the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with on-site training and six days a week of support: http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download Our Mobile App:https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderBooks Page:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom Page:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomEpisode Collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collectionsBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto:https://remarkableresults.biz/Automotive Field TheorywithMatt Fanslow:https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the NumberswithHunt Demarest: https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcastwith Brian and Kim Walker: https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/The Weekly Blitzwith Chris Cotton: https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/Speak Up! Effective Communicationwith Craig O'Neill: https://craigoneill.captivate.fm                                        

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