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Downshift with TonnikaJune 30, 2026 · 62 min

Your Shop Might Be Driving Customers Away | Jessica Watkins - Ep 23

Shop ManagementCustomer ExperienceHiring & TrainingLeadership & Culture

With Jessica Watkins

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About this episode

Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto.…

Key takeaways

  • —Creating a clean and inviting shop environment is crucial for attracting customers.
  • —Women are often the decision-makers in households, making it essential for shops to be welcoming to female customers.
  • —Investing in shop management software can streamline operations and improve efficiency.
  • —Encouraging women to enter the automotive industry requires changing perceptions and providing supportive environments.
  • —Strong leadership and a positive culture can significantly enhance shop performance and customer satisfaction.

Frequently asked

How can shop owners make their environment more inviting for female customers?
Shop owners should ensure their facilities are clean, well-lit, and have accessible parking. Additionally, providing a welcoming atmosphere and friendly service can make a significant difference.
What are some effective ways to attract women to the automotive industry?
Encouraging women to explore various roles beyond technical positions, such as customer service or management, and promoting a culture of inclusivity can help attract more women to the field.
Why is it important to invest in shop management software?
Investing in shop management software can streamline processes, reduce paperwork, and improve overall efficiency, allowing shop owners to focus on providing better service to their customers.
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I literally worked in a shop that was still using paper tickets. I had to transfer— There's one across the street from me, like hilarious. The same information 7 different times from onboarding a customer to checking them out. It was such a waste of time. The shop didn't want to invest in any shop management software. Having people who will stick their head up out of the sand and say, oh, is there a better option?

Those are the really people that are going to take over. Those are the people that are going to take and continue to make the industry better. Welcome to Downshift with my sis Taneka Haynes. We all know as shop owners, sometimes you got to slow down in order to speed up. And that's what this podcast is all about. It's time to downshift. I don't like summer, so I'm good with that.

Like, I don't like either one. No. Well, I like cold. You can get cold and warm up, like bundle up. But summertime, you get hot. You can't get butt so naked without going to jail. Exactly. Yeah. So maybe they would let 23, 24-year-old me walk around damn near naked, but not this version. So I would be locked up. Lies. Trying to cool off.

And then with all of the perimenopause, I'm dying. So Jessica, you don't know Ash. Ash, this is Jessica. Hi Jessica, nice to meet you. She has come such a long way. Actually, you two probably would get along, I do believe. So I met Jessica first when she worked for Rim Guard. She worked for a rim shop and we would sublet stuff to them, and then she moved it on up and started working for Auto Shop Solutions.

So tell everybody who you are. Me or Ash? You. Everybody knows who Ash is. Don't tell her. Sorry. Sorry. So I'm Jessica Watkins. I got started in the automotive industry in 2016, so 10 years exactly as of February, which is nice. I came from a marketing background. My dad had a marketing agency that I kind of grew up in, so I'm used to small business.

I'm used to like rolling your sleeves up. My dad was a, if you got time to lean, you got time to clean kind of dad. So there's always something to do. If you don't have any work to do, he'll find you something. So, um, I definitely learned growing up in a small business that there's always something to do and you shouldn't just be standing around.

That just means there's opportunity for you to grow in the business in a different direction. Um, if you've maxed out what your current role is. Well, I maxed out my current role. With my dad's business. And I was like, I really want to do something fun. Cars are fun. I just really want to try cars. So I went to multiple different service-oriented jobs, client-facing, never could get into the automotive industry.

Finally got in at RimGuard and I thoroughly loved it. It was so weird because I knew nothing about vehicles. I knew how to drive them and I could put gas in them. I could change a tire and that is it. That is the extent of my abilities. And that was what was required to get me a driver's license according to my father.

So anything else was just beyond my realm of understanding. But when I got to RimGuard, I was like, hey guys, tell me everything. I want to know everything. I want to be able to do this as good as you. Like, I want to be the best at what we do. So when I started that shop, my boss was like, hey, I'll give you $100 cash if you can get us to $100 grand in a month.

We've only done it once. And I was like, okay, where, where are you now? He said, oh, we're at $81,000 or $84,000, something like that. So I started February 28th, so one day in February, and we closed the month out in the 80s. Um, so the next month I got $100,005 as our total revenue for the month. You did it! I'm so proud.

I did it. I barely made it, but I did it. And, um, they were like, well, some of this is on, um, uh, payments. There are payments that haven't been processed yet, so it doesn't count. And I was like, my first role in the job, my first month in the job, and I was able to hit these numbers? Okay, if you don't like it, I don't have to stay.

So they quickly gave me the $100, and I never let it slip under $100 grand a month. For the rest of my time there. And I was there for 3 years. By the time I left, we were averaging a little over $240,000 a month. Um, so I've more than tripled their business and I helped them build a new facility, um, that was much bigger, much nicer than the one that we were at.

And I did all of that with only adding a couple of like helper technicians. I didn't add any A players or, or B players, honestly, which is pretty And then from there, I went to the tire store. I went to Oak City Tire, was there for a few months during COVID And then I went to a diesel mechanic shop, was there for a few months during COVID And I loved both of them.

They taught me a lot. And then I found Auto Shop Solutions where I could have air conditioning, which was very important to me because I'm very fluffy and I need air conditioning. Working at RimGuard, that was the one thing I can honestly say I hated the entire time was there was no air conditioning.. So my office would get to be about 120, 130 degrees in the summertime, and it was awful.

So I wanted something with a bathroom because they didn't have a bathroom for ladies, and they also did not have air conditioning. And I'm like, I have got to get something with both. So I walked into Auto Shop Solutions and Margaret was showing me around and she goes, yeah, here's a bathroom and here's a bathroom, and if you get cold you can turn the air up or down.

I was like, you have multiple Everywhere. She's like, yes ma'am. I was like, oh my God, this is brand new information. And you have air conditioning? It's a little bit. Oh my gosh, where are you from that you didn't know? I mean, it's 2020-something and shops don't have clean bathrooms for women or people, period. Nobody wants to be in a daggone dirty bathroom.

Exactly. Who doesn't have AC in North Carolina? Come on. Exactly. Especially at a powder coating shop where we had an oven running 24/7. Oh no. You're stronger than me. Ain't no way. Nope. I'm a Madonna when it comes to, or princess when it comes to air conditioning. I need my AC. But no, as you get, right now I am less fluffy than I have been.

So now I'm cold all the time. I'm freezing all the time. So I sleep with a heated blanket. And that is my new best friend. Like, I get home from work and I plug that bad boy up and I push the button and I turn it on damn near iron. And I get it. I should have the smoothest skin because I sleep in the iron every night.

That's what it is. That's too funny. I'm not having that damn wrinkle. Yep. I, I literally set my thermostat to morgue. That's what it sat on all year long. It's cold in the house. I like it because it seems like it's cleaner, right? It's cold in the house, but that is a weird thing. It does feel cleaner. It feels cleaner when the house is cold.

It's like hospital clean, you know, you go into the hospital, there's a little humid in the air. That has nothing to do with Downshift with Tanika and nothing to do with the automotive industry and us being better humans. We're talking about crazy, which is crazy. So I remember when you called me from over there, so tickled. I was like, oh, look at her, baby, she's grown up, she's growed up.

And now you like run the whole show? Not quite, but I do like to have fun over there. Yeah. I actually just moved from Auto Shop Solutions to Velo, which is the parent company of Auto Shop Solutions, and I'm handling client success there. But it was really funny because the first, I guess, week or two, they were like, hey, you've worked in the shops in North Carolina.

Which of these shops do you know? Do you already have a relationship? I was like, Danika's mine! She's mine! Real quick, I was like, I don't care who has this account, it's mine now. And the funny thing is, like, as you grew, as you've been growing, like, I get different people, I'm like, I'm still gonna call Jessica. I know you're my person, but I'm gonna courtesy copy her on this email for the rest of her life because I want to let you know, don't play with me.

But no, everybody's been great. But I do, I do secretly like CC Jessica just in case. Just in case somebody's tripping over there. But that just tells you how great you are. I appreciate everything that you do. So emails from you in my inbox, my whole day is just instantly better. So you send them anytime you want. Yeah. So like, we are 3 women in the automotive industry.

Ash, Ash, you want to tell Jessica who you are, what you do? I guess since everybody else— no, I don't think Jessica knows you just yet because she's a busy lady. Yeah, I grew up in the industry. It's all that I really know, other than a short hiatus where I thought that I would try something stable and not blue collar. And so I've always been like business obsessed.

So like exiting high school and starting college, I was in business management and accounting. And we already know what to do. We've been to the trainings, paid for the coaching, learned the right way to inspect cars, build estimates, and talk to our customers. That's not the problem. The problem is consistency, because some days it only works when the right person is working, and when they're not, it's a whole different shop.

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At a car dealership. So I was sucked back in whether I liked it or not. And I did it for 6 months. It was the shortest job I've ever had because I realized how much I hated it. And I loved talking to people and I would literally get in trouble for over— like being over my lunch because I was like downstairs talking to the salespeople or the customers, or I would just like see customers standing around.

I'm like, hi, have you been helped? Just like, I cannot help it. It's just in me. And my love for cars too, just like I just wasn't enjoying it. Doing accounting was terrible and I was doing titles and all kinds of stuff. So I got back into service. This is a little over 10 years ago and I just never left until recently.

I stepped out of a shop in 2024 to build remote estimating as a service now for shops. So now I have Golden Hour Garage. It's my company that we have an amazing team that are all former service advisors that all work remote now, and they help shops with estimates, warranty calls, fleet. And then I am slowly working myself out of workflow eventually, hopefully, to start training shops and helping them learn how to operate more efficiently.

So that, and that's what I love. I love fixing problems. I love cars. I love working on cars. I don't as much anymore, or I love working on them. I don't do it as much anymore. I probably haven't touched I haven't picked up a wrench in probably over a year, maybe a little over. I know it's actually really sad. I miss it a lot, but there's just no time for it right now.

So I'll get back to it when I can. You'll get back to it. Yeah. And I'm so excited for the next projects or whatever I take on. But, and I love racing, so anything motorsports, drift is my life, but anything that involves racing is all me. So we are 3 super cool women, and I love dealing with super cool women, especially young ladies.

I think you guys are like 2 years old, let me tell it. And so it makes me so happy when I get to see young people in the industry doing things. And you did— I think we have to figure out a way to tell more super cool young ladies that they could do it. Like, you're not actually turning a wrench, Jessica. You're in the industry, but you're making a huge difference.

Um, same thing for you, Ash. You're not actually turning the wrench. How do we get these young ladies to know that, hey, you might love working on a car? Like, actually, like, working on a car, you like drifting, you like doing this, you don't necessarily have to turn a wrench because all girls don't want to do that, but they want to be a part of the party.

Or like, how do we convince parents that it's fine that your daughter can be in the industry? She It doesn't mean anything. Like, it's, it's worth it. It's fun. Yeah, there's a space for us here, right? Or they want to turn wrenches, but everyone tells them you're not supposed to, that that's not what girls do. That was— I think that was for me.

Anything is that you were told that's not what girls do. Yeah, I mean, my dad didn't. He, he raised me as a boy pretty much. I did all the boy things, um, but it was getting into the— when I got into the industry professionally, that Why don't you try sales? Why don't you try the counter? Go sell this. And I did it.

I'm great at it. I love it. But, you know, Tanika, you know more of my background that like I loved working. I love solving problems. That's why I went to tech school and I was like, no, I'm going to be a certified technician. Like, that was my goal and I did it. And then I enjoyed working in the back of the shop.

But then I got to the point where I realized, like what you're saying is I don't have to be in the shop working on cars to still enjoy this. My skills are better used at the counter or dealing with people or now helping other shops do that better. So yeah, we definitely need to be more inviting and welcoming. Yeah, more inviting and inviting and welcoming.

But as far as what you do on the other side, you're like helping shop owners in a different way, Jessica. So you're not with Auto Shop Solutions anymore, but you would Velo, and they're under that that umbrella, correct? What do you do for day-to-day? So right now I'm doing enterprise client success. So basically the same thing I've always done in every role, which is make sure to love on my customers as much as possible and be their trusted friend and advisor on what they need to help grow their business or help be successful in whatever that means to them.

So I'm leveraging different products that are from Velo, um, and even outside of Velo, and I'm saying, hey, you know, this is your issue that you have, let's solve it together, let's see how we can integrate together to make your life easier and your shop run more smoothly. Because the last thing I want to do is be like, hey, just because I'm with Velo, you need to use this product so that it'll work, because it works for everybody, it'll definitely work for you.

And that's not necessarily the case. It needs to be effective for each shop. But I also agree that this industry is not super female-friendly. It's gotten a lot better over the last 10 years, I will say that. But I think also letting women know that if you like helping people and you like learning things, you don't necessarily have to go turn the wrench.

Like, my only driving force in life is to help others. So I'm very similar to you, Ash. I want to help people. I want to make people's day better. And I know for a fact, if I go to a car dealership and I've done this twice now where I bought a brand new car and they took advantage of me or they tried to because they thought that I was easy prey.

And I just want to break down those silos because that's not how it always is. And the more you can understand and take up for yourself, the more empowered you feel and the more control you have over the safety of your vehicle and just the, the ability to go in and say with confidence, oh, I understand what this is. And if I don't, I can ask a question because that's something that I don't think we could always do.

But nowadays, if I were to go to any shop, I could go in there and ask a question and people would actually answer me, whereas back in the day that wasn't always the case. So giving it a shot now is nice. Well, you know what, probably a lot more shops are still like that, more than we think. From what I understand, the shops that we know and love in our network of people that we've met over the years through different, um, trainings and organizations, we're different.

We're built different. We're the top Some people say 10, some people say 1, but we're the top. Like you said, you were working in the shop without a clean bathroom. That seems like so, like, why? Like, it's not 1985. Like, really? This is what we're doing? A shop with no AC. And, you know, sometimes that doesn't make any sense to have AC, but just the little things.

People still have not stepped their game up to understand that, you know, your audience is the mom with the minivan, and all of them don't have to go home and ask their husband. You should have a facility that is friendly to everyone that walks in the door, no matter the sex or the age or whatever or anything. So, what you're doing with Auto Shop Solutions and being there and being a woman in the industry, that's a big deal.

I just want to let you know that. I think it's a big deal. Yeah, I tell my customers and you've heard me talk to people, I'll tell them like it is because that's how things should be. It shouldn't have to be scared to speak your mind. But I would have customers call me and be like, oh yeah, well, we don't do that.

I'm like, why not? Raise the bar. If you recognize that there is an opening or a way to make this industry better, your shop better, your customers happier, why aren't you doing it? Why are you scared? Because you'll be the, the reason people are happy. Just do— you'll be the outlier. You'll stand out. And that's what we want to do, right? That's part of marketing.

Exactly. Nobody wants to go to the cookie cutter shop with the, the dirty tech and the mean guy throwing wrenches in the back and the terrible music going on in the back. Well, my music in the back is bad too, but you know, all the stereotypes, right, that the world has about shops and technicians and shop owners. Why would you want to continue to be that?

Exactly. The change. I literally worked in a shop that was still using paper tickets. I had to transfer one across the street from me, like not across the street, right around the corner from my house. It's hilarious. Yeah, wild. I literally had to do the same stuff, um, the same information 7 different times to— from onboarding a customer to checking them out, 7 times per customer.

It was such a waste of time, but the shop didn't want to invest in any shop management software. So having people who will stick their head up out of the sand and say, oh, is there a better option? What can I do to streamline? That's where the really people that are gonna take over. And those are the people that are going to take and continue to make the industry better.

Because one thing that we say is we got to make it better, we got to make it better. But how do we reach these people, the 90% that are still writing the paper tickets? That are still charging too little for their services. How do you think we could reach these people? Or can we, can we, Ash? You think we can bring them along?

Yeah, I think it just gets to a point when they realize they have tried everything on their own and they finally look for help. So by doing this, having these conversations, putting content out there, being friendly on the Facebook groups. No, don't know how to do that. I know it's like, we're not supposed to say, you know, be nice, right? But no, but honestly, like, that's, that's where I'm like, there's shops that are struggling, people that don't want to ask for help.

So if we're mean to each other on the Facebook groups and we get on here and we only talk about how bad other shops are, why would they ever ask for help? That's true. So you're like, VLO is now the grocery store for the automotive industry. I can come into the store and I can shop all the things. Are y'all just gonna buy up everybody?

Is that the plan? World domination? Our goal is to be the number one provider of choice for automotive software. So anything you need to run your shop effectively. And we also have the best customer service, which you know this. I do. I'm not gonna let you have a bad day with my software. Mm-mm. Tanika, I'm curious for you to share like what your shop uses AutoShop for.

Because I know you, you use a different SMS, but Auto Shop Solutions is the company that she worked for prior to Velo. So they are website and marketing, they're my website developers. So that's it. I've been using them for a very long time. I wish I knew, um, it was over 20— it is over 20 years that they start developing my website.

So yeah. Auto Shop Solutions for website. I'm not sure what else they do. So Auto Shop Solutions, we do websites, uh, Google Ads, Facebook marketing. Um, although I don't think anyone beats you on Facebook marketing. Well, I do my own Facebook marketing because I'm a clown and I want to be seen. I use you as examples to people. I'm like, this should be— I think you're better with that.

Well, people have to do it. Marketing's so important. But your dad is into marketing as well. So you kind of grew up in that. I don't think people understand how serious marketing is and actually how simple it is. Like, it is if you spend the time to actually understand it. It's very simple. It's what would you do to figure out what you need?

You would Google it, you would ask a friend, you would, you know, depending on how old you are, go to the Yellow Pages, right? Like, you're gonna go find the answer you need. So you need to be visible in those areas where someone would look, which typically now is Google or, you know, AI chatbots looking for the, the resolution. Like, hey, my car is making a weird noise.

Well, that's like going to WebMD and saying, oh my God, I cut my finger and suddenly I'm dying of, of cancer or something that's completely unrelated. Like, you can't diagnose— you want to cut that off? Yeah, don't diagnose yourself. But people don't— I don't think people understand marketing. Right, and that is sad. Yeah, I'm not a marketing person. I, I am your target to market.

I am a sucker for good marketing, but I do not know how to market. Well, at least you know that. Some people don't know that they don't know that, that it's actually needed. Like people that don't claim a Google profile. It's like, dude, it's free. Just claim your page. Put a picture on it. Put a dog on it, a cat or something.

Right, buy from people that they know, trust, and blah blah blah, that whole thing. It is true. Just put your face out there. And with marketing, for me, like my Facebook page, before when Santana was still playing football, if I didn't update every week about the game or whatever he had going on in football, I would get emails from customers like, hey, what happened with the game?

Like, oh, you're really paying attention to that? Because even if they don't like it They're watching. Yeah, so like now with the Lipstick Reports and then with the podcast, because we've got a couple episodes released, just because they don't like it, you can still see how many times it's been viewed. And I think that's crazy, like 2.5 bazillion views and 3 likes.

So people are nosy. So marketing is to get the nosy people to come be nosy. Exactly. Yeah, is that, is that the technical term? Marketing is for nosy people. That's exactly what I learned when I went to school for marketing. Yeah, that's what they said. It was the whole book. Make the nosy people happy, give them something to look at. See, this is what I learned every day with Tanika.

I don't need to pay for school, I just need to ask Tanika the question. Got you, I got you. So Jessica, tell— you got married on Halloween. I did, yep. You are a Halloween nut. I am. Why? Is this forever and ever, or is this a new thing to you? Oh no, ever since I was a child, it's been my favorite holiday since I was like— I think that's so cool.

If we see her, she's gonna have some Halloween type thing going on. But I thought the fact that you got married on Halloween was amazing. And then my wallpaper— I don't know if you can see my wallpaper, but it's skulls and roses. But yeah, is it? Yep, I can see it. You've got a— is that a black cat or an owl? That's an owl.

And then this is Audrey from The Little Shop of Horrors. Seymour! Feed me Seymour! Oh, that's so cool! I also have my little owl in the corner, my little spooky owl. But yeah, I like— you're one of those people that have the 8-foot skeleton. Do you have those? I have a Predator of the Night, which is very similar. It's got a 12-foot wingspan.

Um, But the last one, Storm, just broke his knees, so I got to put him back together. But yeah, I have animatronics everywhere when it's Halloween. I consider Halloween July 5th through until the day before Thanksgiving because there's no other holidays you decorate for between them except Halloween. So that's so funny. I probably have animatronics that I put up. Yeah, I mean, your poor husband, he probably loves it too though.

That's crazy. He doesn't want me to take it down. That's the funny part. Well, he doesn't want you to take it down, or he just like doesn't want the job of taking it down? He doesn't want me to take it down. He loves it. He's like, keep it up. It's like my Christmas tree, you know. We could have still have— we could have like a St.

Patrick's Day tree right now. I had a Christmas tree in the shop up for the last couple years. Every day I would just redecorate it, but this year I took it down. Oh, I just decorated it every year. That's my shop tree. It was fun. Customers enjoyed it. Some people didn't like it, like, why you see on your tree, or why you got your tree up now?

All right, ladies, so let's talk about how do we encourage— we talked about getting women into the industry. What do you think shop owners can do to bring them in? Like, how do you make the shop more inviting for the ladies to come to the front desk and to be a technician in the shop? Or is that even a thing? Should we, should we even worry about that?

Oh, definitely worry about it because curb appeal is everything, right? Like, you're not going to stop at some place that you don't feel safe, and that goes for any, not just women, but women more so than anyone else because we're I feel like we've got our head on a swivel a little bit more, but it needs to look nice. It needs to smell nice.

It needs to be, you know, clean and inviting because if it's not, I'm not stopping. Like, literally, I had a really horrifying experience at one of the shops I worked at. It got very violent one day and I was held at gunpoint. And ever since then, I was like, and I'm still to this day, terrified of going to parking lots by myself because I was held at gunpoint.

And so I will not park anyplace that does not have a streetlight directly above my parking space if I'm going in at night or early in the morning. And I was arguing with one of my old coworkers when we would go into the office. Now we're fully remote. He was like, why do you steal my parking spot? I'm like, it's the only one under a parking, you know, like a street lamp and it's directly in front of the door.

So like if something were to happen, I could run really quickly and get to the door. He's like, I don't even think about that. I'm like, of course you don't. Exactly, because you're— you don't have to deal with that. I remember visiting another shop and things like that. My mom taught me things like that. Have your keys ready when you're going to your car, going into your house.

Um, park somewhere that's well lit. Bushes that are overgrown. Like, you have to think as a woman, or just as a person, not just a woman. Fools will find a way. Uh, people think criminals are dumb. They are not dumb. They're waiting for us to be looking at our phone not paying attention and watching our habits. And this is how they pounce and get you.

But shop owners don't think that way, and that also is a part of marking. Yep. Yeah, my night drop box. I don't know if it's a general statement, but I feel like women, we tend to be more aware of our surroundings for that, because of that. And that almost is why when there is a woman in the shop, the shop tends to operate better because we're more aware of those things.

And it's like, yeah, like to your point, Tanika, majority of, majority of women are the decision makers in households. We, most of us are the financial decision makers as well. So if you don't have a shop that's safe and inviting for women, that is the big, like, that is your customer base. Yeah. And so, yeah, we have to. And I think shops should, should be more inviting and almost should want like, oh, we don't have a woman on our team.

We need to bring a woman in. I think also, like, if I can speak for myself, I don't know about all women. I don't like repetitive problems. So if I go into a business and it has a problem and there's no incentive to change it or like they're not willing to change it and it's like, okay, then I'm not going to waste my time here, right?

Yeah. Um, so that's for a lot of women coming into the industry is they're, they're going to come in and find areas that need to be improved. So I hope you're ready to improve it. Which is good. It's always good. Not even just a woman, but women are going to do it best to have someone else look at your shop from a different angle.

Like, one thing I do in my front office is I'll just go sit down where the customers sit, and then I'll look at the shop. And what I'm looking for is that spider web that's been there that I'm nose blind to, I'm blind to because I'm in it every day. It's just like that. When you stand outside of your shop at the top of the street, what does it look like to the people that are passing by?

You know, the weeds and the bushes that are overgrown and the paint that's chipping, those things are what help people decide if they're coming or not. You know, if the office floor is disgusting, if the bathroom is disgusting, if it stinks, Smells are important. Yes. So women are really, really good at that. But men are too. Well, when you don't have the security in your senses, like touch, taste, smell, sight, hearing, those things, then you can't, you can't get to that trust point.

So if the first thing you do when you walk in a building is it reeks immediately, that's one notch off of your trust belt, right? Yeah. If it's so loud in the back of the shop, you can't even hear the person talking to you. There's no good sound barriers. That's another notch. And it's like, it just— those little things that I don't think people think are as important as they are.

Or if you can't even find a parking space because there's 10 junk cars in the front of the shop. Exactly. Or if you even see those 10 cars that are at the shop. Like, what happened to you, Jessica, is horrific. That is horrific. I had a situation with a customer, um, we had like a— made it a point to have like a valet section where someone could just pull up and walk right into the front door and we would move their car for them because I had a customer that would do it.

It wasn't intentional. We didn't have this in place yet, but she would do it. And I had asked her at one point, I don't remember what the question was, but she explained to me she had been violently attacked one day. I mean, all the things that I don't want to say on a podcast. And it's— it was horrific and it messed her up so much mentally.

When she came to our shop, she said, I have to be able to be right by the door. Actually, it was— there was a time where she went, but the parts delivery person parked right there. And so she left and she came back later and she called me and she's like, hey, I missed my appointment because there was a car in front of the door, so I couldn't stop.

And so it's just like being aware of those things, like making things more accessible. And you don't have to know everybody's situation. Like, no one is going to know, Jessica, that that's why you like to park under where the light is. But being aware that, okay, we need to have a well-lit parking lot, we need to make sure it's accessible for somebody to be able to park close to the curb.

For whether they're handicapped or not handicapped. Um, yeah, all those things are so important. I— it really bugs me that you've worked in shops that don't have air conditioning and clean bathrooms. Well, the air conditioning is expensive, and I can understand that all shops can't afford that yet. In the office or the shop? Oh, in the— you— whoa, you didn't have AC enough?

If there's no AC in the office, we had a window. But the window unit was in the waiting room, and there was a wall between the waiting room and my office. That's just poor ownership. Yeah, if you can't work comfortably, how do I expect you to take care of the customers? Exactly. No. Oh, I was just thinking in the shop, but an office with no AC?

No, and the technicians need to be able to come in and cool down. No, I would not have that. Of course. I'm so sorry you went through that. It's okay. It was a learning experience. Um, one thing that I think a lot of people don't think about that I've noticed probably more so from my seat in the industry is the age of the shop owners.

The vast majority of shop owners that I've worked with have been well over 55, 60 years old. And it's not saying that all shop owners are, but they're getting closer to retirement. So they also have the, if it ain't broke, don't fix it mentality a lot of times, because they're like, I just need to get another 3 years out of this shop and then I can retire, or I'll sell it and it'll be somebody else's problem.

So I think a lot of the mentality is, oh, this was fine back in the '80s, '90s, early 2000s. It's still fine for just the next couple of years, but then it's also separating them from their client base where pushing that envelope just a little bit further over to the edge because they're just not keeping up with the times. Um, but what I always encouraged my shop owners to do is I'd say, hey, depending on where you are in your life and who's available to you, either ask your mama to come to your shop or ask your daughter to come to your shop.

And if she doesn't feel comfortable going to the bathroom, if she doesn't feel comfortable parking her car, if she doesn't feel comfortable any capacity She'll tell you and pull you aside and not make it embarrassing unless, you know, of course you're my mother. No, I'm just kidding. Um, well, pull them up and have them do the service and don't tell your team that it's your mom or your daughter or whoever.

Find that trusted woman in your life, have her come in and do an actual vehicle appointment and let her tell you all of the things that are working and are not working so that you can fix them. That's a good idea. That's a really good idea. To get a second opinion from someone that you already know and love and trust. So yeah, that is a great idea, but you got to get them to do it because everybody thinks their shop is the bee's knees and it's not.

Oh yeah, I had a— we always have work to do, guys, always have work to do. One of my favorite shop owners is in Raleigh. I love him to death. I've worked with him forever. And Tanika knows this, if I can possibly take my vehicle to one of the shops that I've worked with before, I want to do it. Like, I almost turned around the day I went to your shop to have you take a look at my vehicle, but you guys were closing for lunch and I wasn't willing to make you stay for— through your lunch break for me.

But I went to downtown Raleigh, get my car worked on just for an oil change, just to kind of see what it was like and see what he was talking about. And sure enough, I was ignored for the first 10 minutes that I was there. There was no one in the office. Nobody greeted me. I literally walked into the shop and was like, hey, anybody working here?

And finally someone came up and was like, oh, I'll be right up there. And then another 20 minutes goes by. I completely missed my appointment window. And so I was explaining to him, I'm like, hey, you know, the person on the phone when I booked the appointment told me that he didn't want to book my appointment over the phone, that I should just use the internet like everybody else and book it online.

And then I get there and you guys weren't ready for my appointment. You never checked me in. You didn't do the full inspection of my vehicle. And when I went to check out, you overcharged me. You charged me $35 for an oil cap, which to me is ridiculous. So I paid it because I'm not going to be that guy. But also, like, I'm not going to come back to your shop.

And he was like, oh, well, that's embarrassing. It's not bad enough for you to not come back, is it? I was like, you tell me, would you come back to that? Would you feel comfortable? Because I wouldn't. And even though you are reasonably close to my house, I'm not willing to drive out there for that kind of service and pay that kind of money for it.

But you will drive far for excellent service. And that's what people need to pay attention to these things, because if your shop stands out because of excellent service and you've gone above and beyond and the office smells good and it's clean and people look in your eye and they talk and you can actually sit on the chairs, you can find a parking space All of the good— all those little bit of things.

You can be an excellent tech, you can have an excellent technician, you can have the best man in the back, but if you can't get the people in the front door, we can't get him to go to work. So all these little things, starting with marketing— this is a part of your marketing. Like, how are you treating that customer? It's your brand.

Yeah, it's your brand. It's a part of your brand. What, what is on the wall? How old, how old is that plant? Please get the— please, people, listen. Is everybody listening? Listen to Auntie. If you don't get that artificial plant with 3 years worth of dust on the leaves out of the corner of that lobby, I'm coming to find you. If you do not get those old magazines, your old magazines from 1995 Fishing and Wildlife.

If you don't update your furniture and get those folding chairs out of their front lobby— not the folding chairs— I'm coming to get you. This is all a part of your brand. This is all a part of marketing. Walk outside, look at your shop, fix it. I do have to agree, I'm talking about you. The shops that we're talking about, like raising labor rates, and some people say, oh, I can't do that.

We always say, yes, you can. If you have folding chairs, maybe you shouldn't. Maybe you shouldn't. Do not raise your rates. Go to the daggone Facebook Marketplace and find a chair or something. Not the premium one. But no, people don't pay attention. They think that stuff is superficial. Like, I don't have polished floors in my shop, but my shop floors are clean.

I'm gonna keep my shop clean. Because what if you have to take the customer out there? Oh, it's a shop, it should be dirty. It shouldn't. What if you want to go take your customer to the car and show them something? Whether it's a man or a woman, do you want all these old parts just stacked up? The part that you've had over there since 2001 and you're waiting for the car that it might fit on?

Don't do that. Yeah, do it. I like everything you said, Jessica. The one thing I'm stuck on that I'm like, that's a non-negotiable for me If you walk into a business and there's no eye contact or greeting within like 10 minutes, it's a long time. I was going to say like 10 seconds. Yeah. If there's no eye contact or greeting, I mean, as soon as I walk in the door, I will go somewhere else.

That is a non-negotiable. And that's how I train, like with advisors. I've had technicians, but my technicians knew better. If I saw a customer parking their car, I'm ready. I'm standing there waiting. Technicians talking to me the second that customer walks through the door. I— you're not my customer. That's my customer. We can continue this conversation. It's a big pet peeve of mine when I go into a business and the employees are chit-chatting and cutting up and I'm sitting there waiting to be taken care of.

It's a big problem. But it's not hard. Just look up, smile. Tanika, when I walked in your shop, they know who I am. They were probably expecting me, but I still walked in. No, the first thing they weren't expecting me. Well, the first thing that happened is Haley looked up and Jada looked up and they both smiled at me and made eye contact.

One of Haley was on the phone, but she still made it a point to smile and greet me. Yes. It's a, I'll be right with you. Yes. That's all it takes. Yes. That's all it takes. And even if, cause we do cut up at the front desk, cause we're there all day and we gotta like each other or else everybody will get killed.

By each other. I mean, you have to, but if the customer walks in, you're laughing, you're like, hey, Miss Such-and-Such, if you know who it is, or hey, I am sorry, we are so unprofessional, but how are you doing? It turns you into a human. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So just talking to someone, like, like you said, if you're on the phone and you, you know, you're in the middle of the call, just like, I'll be right with you, there's a quick mute button.

Yeah, quick mute button. Hey, I'll be right there. Yep, that's all, that's all. And they understand. Yes, they have seen and heard and all the good stuff. And, um, yeah, that's why we need more women in the industry. I agree. That's not true though. I, I, I'm a woman. That's not true. My father was really big on that, really big on the way things looked, smelled.

Like, he designed the shop. I don't— Jessica, you've been to the shop, the collision center next door. Like, it looks like a hotel lobby in there, and he designed that, and that was in place in 2000 early. We've always had the lobby was on point, everything's on point, because he knew that early on. So men, you can do it too. You don't need a lady, but I think you should go get one to represent.

But you can do it too. You know what nasty is, y'all hear me? Yeah, on the internet, y'all know what nasty is, and don't do it.— and there's, I mean, even the bathrooms in the shop, they shouldn't be dirty. Nope. Just clean up. I literally drive to Maryland once a year to visit one of my clients and I love them to death.

I will love them until I'm dead. And I literally save up any issues for my vehicle and I take it to them and they do it for me. I drive from North Carolina to Maryland for that level of service because it just doesn't exist. In my direct hometown. Now obviously I can drive an hour or so and get to Tanika's shop, but like literally that— the level of service that I've seen at Tanika's shop when I watch people walk in and out of Brown's and I'm like, oh my God, everybody's just having such a great day.

Like the fact that they shine so beautifully at the front desk and their shine rubs off on everybody else. So it just kind of like that candle analogy, like lighting somebody else's flame doesn't dim yours. You guys just make everything so much better because you're just so positive and engaging. And that's how it should be. It should be like that everywhere. And you guys have something very unique and I wish more people could do that.

Thank you. Thank you. I really, I work hard on it and sometimes you think you're so busy that you can't take care of those things. If you don't take care of those little things, you won't be busy. Exactly. I have to admit something, a confession. Oh. We were talking about like, how do we encourage more women in the industry? And I have not been the best at doing this.

My approach has always been, if it's something you really love, go for it, but you have to have thick skin, be prepared for the abuse, because that's what I endured for a long time. And so that's been my advice. So I'm curious from both of you, like, I want to change how I encourage women in the industry. I don't want to paint it as this battlefield that they have to gear up to go into.

But I think it's on us how we encourage, but also on us to be the change in the industry so that it's more welcoming. So how do you guys encourage women? Ooh. So my, I think everybody's road to wherever they're going to get to is different, right? So mine is different and I am very, very blessed. And I hope I tell him enough that my dad, raised me as the most feminist.

I'm very feminine. I'm very— yo, but he raised me hard. Um, he didn't, he didn't raise me scared. He didn't teach me, oh, well, you're a woman and you can't do this. He raised me, oh, you're a woman and you can do this better because y'all pay more attention to stuff. Um, so my, my outlook is different. Um, It is going to be hard.

Everything is hard. Life is hard. Whether you're in the automotive industry, you're going to be a doctor, pharmacist, a teacher, everything is hard. Um, we're not going to use being a woman as excuse. We're going to use being a woman as a power. Absolutely. Okay, so if you walk into a room and you feel like you're being discriminated against, I'm raised to— I will show you better than I can tell you, and I will do it with lipstick on.

Okay, that's my— that's who I am. Now, there's been times that, for example, I tell people, first ASTA, I didn't feel comfortable walking in that room. And there's been some rooms that I've been uncomfortable in, but only because that was the story I was telling myself, that I didn't belong there. Or I told myself I felt uncomfortable. I have thank God, have not been in a situation that another man has been able to make me uncomfortable, whether he tried or not, because I've got clap back like that.

And you can't tell me where the hell I can go. But the only thing that's ever kept me from going any place or going into any room or any situation was my mindset. So as long as your mindset is strong and you've been raised strong like that— so I think that I have a That's my blessing. That's what I— that's my gift from my family, that I've been— I was raised as a warrior princess.

So my encouraging, when I talk to you, when I'm talking to Ash, she knows, and I'm like, yeah, I don't care, there's no crying in automotive. Like, come, come on here, boo-boo, that's your experience. Let's do it. Cars— feelings don't fix cars. That's— that negative industry is not going to get you where you want to go. Let's go, let's go, let's go.

Now I'm not telling that you— we're not going to cry about it. I'm not going to tell you it's not going to be comfortable. It's going to be uncomfortable at times, but had less moments. You can have your boohoo moments, but fix your mascara, fix your lipstick and your lip gloss, and let's go do something about it. We're gonna put— tighten up our bra, all right?

And we're gonna go do something about it. So I— my thing would be to be— I want to build a strong woman, a strong girl, if she's not strong enough yet.. And yeah, but I wouldn't say, oh, it's going to be hard. And you know, it's mean. It's not, it's not. I think it also depends on where they're starting and what their goals are, because like Tanika's point, I don't turn wrenches.

That's never been something that I've had a passion to do. I would love to learn, don't get me wrong, but I, I am very mechanically handicapped. I cannot put anything together. You can give me the instructions and a video and like hold my hand and I will still break it. So I'm not mechanically inclined at all, but I am really good at organizing and I'm really good at talking to people.

So just because I don't want to turn wrenches doesn't mean that I can't find a spot in this industry that's perfect for me. And that goes for women everywhere. You can be the office manager, you can be the service advisor. You don't have to go in there sweating your butt off in the shop with no air conditioning like I did. You can literally go and find a job that fits all of your needs.

But just to your point as well, it's not going to be completely comfortable because change is never comfortable. There's always going to be something where you're just like, oh God, this is going to be so embarrassing. Like the first day that I moved tires into the shop, this guy dropped off 4 rims and tires together. And he had put tire shine on it and I didn't notice it.

And I went like this afterwards, walked around the rest of the day with a Hitler 'stache. And the guy didn't tell me a thing. And it wasn't until 4:30 when I was getting ready to go home that I recognized in the rearview mirror of my pickup truck that the 7:30 drop-off had the Hitler 'stache for the entire day and not one person.

Oh no. There will be days that it's uncomfortable, but you also have to do it. Diligence for yourself where you're like, hey, is this an environment that I feel safe? Is this something that will actually listen to me and show me the ropes? Or are they just going to leave me out to dry? Because if you don't recognize those places and the environments that you're putting yourself in, you might be shooting yourself in the foot by starting like the ghetto place that I was where there was, you know, gunpoint.

Yeah. You know, that's a terrible situation. Don't, I don't recommend it. Don't do that. Go somewhere nice that you feel comfortable, you feel safe, and then you can go from there in your career to whatever you want. But don't start at the very bottom of the barrel and work your way up because that's going to set everybody up for failure that way.

That was a good question, Ash, because I want to be more encouraging to women, and I know sometimes I'm hard. Me too. But that's just, I'm just that family member that's going to be that way. And then you're going to have a family member in the industry that's gonna— I don't have another word and it seems like a mean word, but that's going to maybe coddle you because some— you need that at times.

But as for me, it's gonna be, you know, box of kick rocks, you can get in my pocket, what we gonna do? Okay, we cried about that, now what, huh? Is we still— we still crying about that? We cried about that last week. So this is like, yeah, but did you go— yes, I went through that, I went through that, and, um, I made it, nobody died..

And, but that again, that's the way that I was raised. We just have to— I think even to your point, Jessica, where you said like, you don't have to turn wrenches, you don't have to do this, just find what works for you in the industry is playing to people's strengths. Right. Because there's things I'm not strong at. There's things you're not strong at, but somebody else is.

So yeah, you find your superpower and run with it. And then the things that you can't do, You find someone to do it. I mean, same thing with leadership, same thing with me running the shop. And you know what I hate? I hate accounting. It's the dumbest thing in the whole world. Numbers are stupid until they're in my bank account. You know what I did?

I hired an accountant. Hey, I will give you money if you get— take this off my plate. Yeah, but what I do love to do, one thing that I know that I should outsource, I love to clean up. I cannot wait to go into the shop and clean up on Saturday. That is my mental health medicine to go and get the cracks and crevices and clean, and it helps me think.

And so I love to do that still. But if there's something that I don't like to do— again, accounting is the dumbest thing in the whole world. Numbers are stupid. I don't know why they exist. Who made numbers? Let's find them. I'm gonna fight them. I don't like it, and it's okay that I don't like it. But you find your strength. Your super strength is service.

And you guys like fixing stuff and caring for people, take that strength and figure out how to make money from it. Yep. And do it cute. Yep, do it cute. And do it cute. So Ash, you got to tell us one good story, um, automotive industry story. Make it funny. I know you got a good funny industry story. Come on. It's funny, but it's also gross.

Oh God. Actually, it's not funny. I'm just— I messed up in the head. It's not funny. Um, let's lighten it up a little bit. Oh gosh. Uh, come back to me, Jessica. You go first. Okay. So I had this customer one time. Um, he came to me and he goes— he didn't speak English very well. And he's, he's like, bent rims. And I was like, Okay, um, you got bent rim?

Which wheel is bent? And he goes, yes. I was like, okay, well, it takes a lot to bend a rim, so usually there's only one or two that's bent on a vehicle at a time. Typically, this man parked in the wrong parking lot across the street, so I took his keys and I went to pull it up onto a lift because I knew with the, uh, language barrier it was going to be a long time of him trying to tell me which wheel was bent.

So I put it up on the lift and spun the wheels, and all 4 of them were bent, which takes talent. It takes an immense amount of talent to bend 4 rims, and they were steel wheels at that, which don't even bend very often. Like, you have to really try. And I was like, were you going sideways down the railroad tracks? Like, what happened?

And he was like, bent rims. And I was like, okay, it's gonna cost you the same for me to fix them or to replace them. And he's like, fix. And I said, that's dumb, but all right, you only got like— you get them in a junkyard in a minute for a steal wheel. Like, it's nothing. But he didn't want to because it would take me 2 or 3 days to get them in.

And I was like, it's honestly better for you, but you do you. Sure enough, Couple months later, he comes back, all four rims are bent again. Oh my gosh, what? I'm like, I'm sorry, are you going to a job? I have no idea what his job was. He was driving in Raleigh. Did you ever get answers on what caused it? No. His, uh, Link— keep me up at night.

But he— I finally just kept ordering those rims, um, the steel wheels, and kept them on stack. I'm like, because he came that much. He came quarterly with 4 bent rims every time, and it cracked me up because I'm like, this, this is comical. Like, who does this? In what universe is this normal? Hey, he's been the best customer. Yes, 4 Wheels, let's go!

I got it. Come on, Rique, we got you. I gotta tell this. Yeah, go ahead, I got a good one for you. Okay, this is the last one. I won't, I won't tell anymore, but I had this one dude come in and, um, he was like, oh my God, my mother was in— was a, um, a victim of, uh, a hate crime.

She was a victim of a hate crime. I was like, oh my God, does she need help? Like, let me call 911. He goes, no, it's on my car. And I was like, oh goodness, um, let me see what's going on with your car. He's like, someone took sandpaper to my rims. And I was like, that is a very specific hate crime.

That takes a lot of effort. You must have pissed somebody off. Oh my lanta. Who carries the sandpaper with them just for the off chance they could find someone to hate? You know, you know what, don't puncture tires, don't slash tires, sand wheels. Sand wheels. You're really pissed off. Go sand somebody's wheels. Right. That's wild. I walk out there. Yeah, no, his mama just drove all over the curbs.

And so he's like, she was a victim of a hate crime. She said somebody did this to her while she was at the grocery store. I'm like, no, sir, she did this to herself. Your mama knew exactly what she was doing. Mama lied. I've been in the car with people that they, yeah, what curb? Oops. Oh my God. I had a customer come in for an oil change, a waiter, and I barely do waiters.

I do like 2 a day. He has his waiting appointment and it's an oil rotation, DVI. Waiters are going to wait, okay? Haley comes to the back and she's frantic. She's like, Mr. Nika, you need to come up front. This man says he's running out of oxygen and he's mad. So he was mad because it was taking too long and he was running out of oxygen in his oxygen tank.

You know the little thing? He got me on the wrong day. He was furious. And I said, sir, how do you walk out the house without the right amount of oxygen? And he's like, well, this is taking too long and this is not senior friendly and I want my car. And I was like, well, we can't just stop, we have to finish the service.

Like, what, what do you want me to do? Well, I need to be compensated for this. I'm running out of oxygen. And he kept saying he was running out of oxygen. And I say, for somebody that's running out of oxygen, you're doing a lot of talking. And I, and I said, that is your responsibility. I really don't know what to do with this one because he was mean.

You're the only person that can get away with it. It was me. What was I supposed to do with that? You're the only person that I know that can get away with that. I remember I put that on like one of the ASOC Facebook or maybe changing it or whatever, and people were like, you should have hooked him up to the welding tank.

And I was like, I know, right? Like, oh my God, customers are crazy. I don't, I don't have any like wildly funny customers. Well, you better not say anything disgusting. You say that for my Oh, I just— yeah, no, I won't. Most of mine are sad turned like heartwarming. The only funny thing I could think of is y'all, like, I, I'm drift obsessed.

I love drifting. And there was a shop I was— one of the last shops I worked at, um, they had never witnessed it because I was drifting in Arizona and I had moved to Texas, and so they never witnessed it. And it was a Christmas party, and one of our where one of the technicians from another location had his like brand new Mustang, and I was like, hey, can I play with your Mustang?

And he's like, sure, here you go, here's the keys. So I think he was expecting, oh, this girl wants to like, you know, rev it or play with the buttons, honk the horn. Not Ash. So we had this huge parking lot that wrapped around, like it had a whole front section and it drove around to the back. There's a whole field And then— oh, I did.

I did laps drifting his brand new Mustang. I would have whooped your ass. You got out of my car. It was so funny. No, so I, I get done. I did it about 3 or 4 times, and I come and I— when I go to pull up to the garage where everybody's standing, I skrrt, slid up right against the, the garage door, and I parked right there.

And I look over and like 6 grown men are like And the one that owned the Mustang would have been like, you lost your damn mind. No, they, they loved it. They thought it was hilarious. And he actually asked for a ride-along, so he jumped in the car and I did it again. Um, yeah, so if I asked to play with your car, I'm not— I will beat your ass.

Just letting you know, you've been warned. It's been documented to show, you know, She scares me so bad with her vehicles. She parked one of her cars directly in front of my big-ass pickup truck. Oh, we're in Greensboro. Yeah, it was not big enough for her to park her car in front of my truck, and I ended up going off the road onto the grass and went up to the next parking lot up to turn around.

I remember when I was driving that car. I don't know where I went. I said I'm not even sure why I was driving that car. You were driving it for the, um, uh, Fueling Connections. Oh, Zeb wanted me to pick him up in something crazy. Yeah. Oh yeah, car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I was okay. That's what it was, because if you want to be a baller, you got to do baller shit.

I was like, I'm gonna take out 6 other vehicles just to avoid I would have fought you. I wouldn't do something I knew would harm anybody's vehicle. So, girl, I'm just letting you know. All right, Jess, we've taken up all your time. So the people that want to connect with you under the umbrella of Velo, how would they find you? Uh, you can give me a call at 984-246-2716, or you can email me at jessica.watkins@velo.com.

And you've got all the automotive solutions for all the automotive people. I do, yes ma'am. All right, you need something, go call my girl. She, she'll be good to you, I promise you. Well, that's another episode, ladies. I thank you for taking the time with me, and we will see you on the downshift. Downshift with Tanika is where we slow down long enough to have real conversations, hosted by myself, second generation shop owner, Tanika Haynes.

This goes beyond your car count, your KPIs. We want to talk about leadership, legacy, mindset, and the messy, beautiful journey of building something that lasts. You will hear stories from shop owners, technicians, and other industry leaders who are figuring it all out by themselves in real time. This is a space for growth, tough love, laughter, and leveling up.

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You shouldn't have to play detective just to figure out what's happening in your own shop. 😂 If you're ready for all your shop's information in one place, check out Tekmetric HEREConsistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOWhat happens when your employer won't pay for the training you know you need? Tonnika sits down with technician Bruce Bolin to talk about taking ownership of your career, investing in your own education, and refusing to let a lack of opportunity become an excuse for staying stagnant. Bruce shares what pushed him to attend industry training on his own dime, his plans to eventually open a shop, and how he's already passing his knowledge along to younger technicians. They also get into technician pay, certifications versus real-world ability, mentorship, and why getting just 1% better can completely change your value in this industry. If you're waiting on somebody else to make you a better technician, this conversation might sting a little.Timestamps:00:00 – What Are You Actually Worth as a Technician?00:42 – Bruce’s First Automotive Training Event07:06 – 16 Years as an Automotive Technician12:09 – The Five-Year Plan to Open His Own Shop15:00 – Why Automotive Community & Training Matter18:21 – Stop Waiting on Your Employer to Train You25:29 – Want Better Pay? Increase Your Value34:11 – Preparing for Shop Ownership Before Opening the Doors38:01 – Mentoring the Next Generation of Technicians43:21 – Is There Really a Problem With Young Technicians?48:31 – Why the Automotive Community Matters

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Downshift with TonnikaSeptember 3 · 1h 8m

Young Technicians Aren’t the Problem. Bad Mentorship Is. | Phil Ubinger & Hunter Jackson - Ep 39

Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOAnybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREEveryone complains about the technician shortage—but what if the automotive industry doesn't have a young-people problem as much as it has a mentorship problem? On this episode of Downshift with Tonnika, Tonnika sits down with veteran technician Phil Ubinger and his former mentee Hunter Jackson to talk about what real mentorship looks like inside an automotive repair shop. They dig into teaching technicians to think instead of simply handing them answers, why experienced techs need time and incentive to mentor, and why young technicians have a responsibility to invest in themselves. From shop culture and training to work ethic, confidence, standards, and career growth, this conversation challenges both generations to stop pointing fingers and start building the future of the automotive industry.Timestamps:00:00 Why mentorship matters in automotive02:35 Hunter’s journey into the automotive industry05:30 Phil’s 40+ years as a technician09:35 Why young technicians struggled to advance13:15 Training vs. true mentorship17:10 Building work ethic beyond technical skills21:20 How to give constructive criticism without killing confidence24:55 Stop giving technicians all the answers27:50 “You can’t use my brain to do your work”31:30 Finding the right mentor for the right technician34:55 Building professionals, not just parts changers38:25 “That’s not how we did it at Firestone”41:50 Finding the right shop culture44:20 A mentorship that became bigger than automotive48:30 Passing mentorship on to the next generation51:45 Hunter’s advice for young technicians52:55 Nobody will invest in you more than YOU54:50 Why shop culture can make or break mentorship58:30 Are your technicians actually taking advantage of training?1:01:25 If you’re not participating in your own rescue, that’s a YOU problem1:03:45 Stop complaining about the industry and help change it1:06:20 Leadership, legacy, and passing the torch

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Downshift with TonnikaAugust 27 · 1h 23m

Shop Owners: Maybe YOU'RE the Problem | Tristin Sweeney - 38

Running a shop is hard enough—you don't need your software making it harder. 😂 If you're ready for more clarity, better organization, and a smoother experience for both your team and your customers, check out Tekmetric HEREConsistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOAt 29 years old, Tristin Sweeney is running an auto repair shop, building automotive technology, and questioning some of the industry's favorite excuses. In this episode, Tonnika Haynes talks with Tristin about his unconventional path from the startup world into automotive, acquiring Honest Automotive, building Shift, and why owning a shop became the ultimate testing ground for solving real industry problems. But things get spicy when they tackle the supposed technician shortage, outdated hiring practices, shop owners blaming younger generations, and why good employees may be leaving shops that refuse to change. They also dig into AI, technician training, communication, leadership, burnout, and why new technology should solve problems instead of creating more work. If you're a shop owner who keeps saying, “Nobody wants to work anymore,” this conversation might make you look in the mirror.Timestamps:00:00 Why automotive has become unattractive to work in00:23 Downshift intro00:42 Meet Tristin Sweeney: 29, busy, and obsessed with automotive01:23 Audi, Volkswagens, and where the car obsession started03:15 Can you be a great service advisor without knowing cars?04:40 There are more automotive careers than turning wrenches06:26 From tech startups to the automotive industry07:17 Getting laid off, joining ShopGenie, and finding his industry09:17 Running TWO automotive businesses at 2910:11 How Tristin bought Honest Automotive after finding it on Facebook14:01 Has shop ownership given him gray hair yet?14:32 Building a shop around passion and customer experience16:21 Honest Automotive is also Tristin’s “laboratory”16:48 How Shift Automotive was born18:19 Building software from the problems that drive shop owners crazy19:10 Technology problem or people problem?20:17 How does someone working 60–70 hours a week avoid burnout?22:55 Success isn’t worth burning yourself out by 3023:19 Tonnika gets VERY personal about Tristin having kids 😂25:32 Why Tristin is committed to automotive for the long haul28:53 Shift grows to more than 150 shops30:02 Why simply SHOWING UP can change your career31:21 The “Gen Z stare” and learning how to communicate33:34 Get in rooms where you’re uncomfortable37:04 What will automotive look like 10 years from now?41:11 Shop owners who ignore AI WILL get left behind42:43 How should shops prepare technicians for new technology?43:27 Does every tech need to understand the newest cars right now?45:48 Why the next generation matters more than ever47:58 What does a technician actually need to “look like”?48:48 Is the technician shortage actually a hiring problem?49:48 How many great technicians are shops overlooking?50:48 “I hire people. I don’t hire jobs.”52:00 Why automotive can be an unattractive place to work54:18 Great shops generally aren’t struggling to find applicants54:51 The talent is out there—and some of them want to leave their current shop55:55 If recruiters can steal your technicians, that’s a YOU problem56:04 Most shop problems start with the owner57:30 Accepting criticism from your employees—even your own son58:03 Old-school leadership vs. the way Tonnika leads today59:33 The macaroni-and-cheese recipe for evolving a family business1:01:47 Is treating every employee differently “coddling”?1:03:50 Why one universal pay plan doesn’t work for everyone1:04:39 Flexible schedules, flat rate, salary, and what actually motivates people1:07:08 Shop owners who refuse to compromise may lose great technicians1:07:56 Bad bosses create the next generation of bad bosses1:08:21 Why leadership and communication have to be learned1:13:00 Stop micromanaging every detail of your shop1:14:22 “Granddad did it that way” isn’t a good enough reason anymore1:15:28 The Carfax data debate gets spicy 😂1:16:24 What Carfax actually gets from your shop1:17:47 Tonnika’s grandfather discovers OnStar and thinks “they’re coming for him”1:19:03 Technology fear usually comes from misunderstanding1:19:45 Tristin’s legacy: Leave automotive better than he found it1:20:00 Where to find Honest Automotive and Shift Automotive1:21:22 Closing, AI hot takes, and what’s next

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Downshift with TonnikaAugust 25 · 59 min

Are You Running Your Shop… Or Is It Running You? | Darin Johnson - Ep 37

You shouldn't have to play detective just to figure out what's happening in your own shop. 😂 If you're ready for all your shop's information in one place, check out Tekmetric HEREConsistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMORunning an auto repair shop is one thing—but what happens when the shop starts running you? In this episode, Tonnika Haynes sits down with Darin Johnson, a one-man shop owner from Great Bend, Kansas, who admits he's working seven days a week, struggles to tell customers no, and hasn't taken a real vacation since 2018. They get into the difficult transition from technician to business owner, why coaching and industry connections have changed Darin's approach, and how raising his labor rate didn't create the customer revolt he feared. Tonnika also gets fired up about boundaries, last-minute customers, “free” tire pressure checks, and why serving your community doesn't mean allowing customers to control your schedule. Darin is heading to ASTA with a mission: build his network, learn how to step away from the shop, find help, and finally create a business that gives him a life outside the bays.Timestamps:00:00 Cold open: “It’s gonna be on one more day”00:19 Downshift intro00:38 Darin still has a FLIP PHONE?!02:10 Meet Darin: Running a one-man repair shop in Kansas02:44 How he accidentally became a shop owner04:27 From hot rods to 25 years in automotive05:39 Does Darin really want to stay a one-man operation?07:06 Heading to ASTA for the first time07:40 Why Darin LEFT his first training event early08:39 Coaching struggles: Knowing what to do vs. actually doing it09:55 The real reason Darin is coming to ASTA10:16 Shop ownership can feel like you’re on an island13:08 Working seven days a week & being married to the shop14:20 The people-pleasing problem15:03 Customers asking about cars at dinner and the grocery store16:27 What happens when the shop becomes your only hobby?20:26 Feeling guilty for taking time away20:57 “Schedule your hats”—including downtime22:59 Darin’s five-year plan: Train someone to replace him23:38 His last REAL vacation was in 201824:34 Open-heart surgery changed how Darin viewed the business25:21 Becoming an owner instead of just a technician28:06 Why 15–20 cars are constantly sitting at the shop28:34 The work Darin has finally started saying NO to30:49 Bringing an accountability partner to training32:42 Why a few unhappy customers can ruin your mindset33:58 Should you just FIRE the worst 5% of your customers?38:02 Tonnika gives Darin his official ASTA assignment40:40 Finding your automotive family42:39 Why Tonnika recommends coaching43:57 Coaching’s impact on Darin’s mindset and mental health45:01 “I wish I would’ve done this 10 years ago”46:04 Why shops that don’t train get left behind46:58 Darin now has the highest labor rate in town47:34 Tonnika’s $12 lawnmower tire era 😂49:00 Learning how to say NO without losing customers49:12 Scheduling your different “hats” as an owner51:10 Customers don’t control your schedule51:44 “It’s been on for two weeks? It can wait another day.”53:05 Your six-month-old check engine light isn’t suddenly my emergency53:50 How “real quick” jobs steal HOURS from your day54:52 Why Tonnika refuses to just throw air in a tire55:32 “My air isn’t free!”56:23 The right way to say no: Give customers another option57:45 Darin’s ASTA challenge & what’s coming in Part 2

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Remarkable Results RadioAugust 21 · 48 min

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The Institute's Leading Edge PodcastJune 29 · 1h 1m

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Share your story with us at info@wearetheinstitute.com, and you might be featured in an upcoming episode. 👉 Unlock the full experience - watch the full webinar on YouTube: https://youtu.be/_3LVDHjy2G4   Don’t miss exclusive insights, expert takeaways, and real talk you won’t hear anywhere else. Hit Subscribe, drop a comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear this!   Links & Resources:  Want to learn more? Click Here Want a complimentary business health report? Click Here See The Institute's events list: Click Here Want access to our online classes? Click Here ________________________________________ Episode Transcript Disclaimer This transcript was generated using artificial intelligence and may contain errors. If you notice any inaccuracies, please contact us at marketing@wearetheinstitute.com.   Episode Transcript:   The Real Story of Growing an Independent Auto Repair Shop with Andy Severin 06242026 Jimmy Lea: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, or good night, depending on when and where you're joining us from today. It is a gorgeous day outside. I hope you are able to go outside and breathe in some beautiful fresh air. Hey, today is awesome. Today is going to be amazing. We've got a great conversation gonna happen with a phenomenal shop owner, with a phenomenal coach and trainer from the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence. But before we get into that, let's talk about you and where you're at, and what's going on in your life. This is going to be an interactive webinar. Interactive how? In the comments section, in the questions, in the comments, put in there where you're joining us from today. Love to give you a shout-out here as we are on the live webinar. We're streaming through many different, multiple streams. Multiple live streams are going out on Facebook, and on YouTube, and on StreamYard. So we've got all these avenues that we're reaching out to the industry to, to, for us to connect, for us to come together. So drop in the comments where you're joining us from, city, state, and your shop name. Love to give you a shout-out so we can recognize everybody who is here for this live event. And it seems that everybody is shy today. Which is awesome. That's great. You know where the comment button is. When you find it, put in there your information, and we'd love to give you a shout-out here as we're on our live event. Streaming on Facebook, and on LinkedIn, and on YouTube, and on StreamYard. Oh my gosh, this is so awesome. This is so awesome. All right, for our conversation today Jennifer Holbert is here from the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence. She is a shop owner. She is a a coach, an industry coach, an industry facilitator with the GEAR Performance Group, and most recently moved into the position of director of programs with the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence. Thank you so much, Jennifer, for being here. Good morning, good afternoon. Jennifer Hulbert: Thank you. Thank you for having me. Excited to be here. Jimmy Lea: Yes. We're gonna have an awesome conversation. I'm in the good morning part, and you're in the good afternoon part. Jennifer Hulbert: I am. Jimmy Lea: 'Cause you're in New York, right? Jennifer Hulbert: I am. Northern New York. Jimmy Lea: Northern New York, awesome. How long have you been in the industry, Jennifer? Jennifer Hulbert: Ooh 25 years? Yeah, 25 years. Jimmy Lea: So you started sweeping floors when you were, like, five, six years old then? Jennifer Hulbert: Yeah, you could say that. I started filing probably when I was in my teens, but officially joined the business in 2001 when we moved to our new building and started as service advising, accounting, marketing, and then now do it all. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No, a- and you've had a long journey with the institute as well, joining as part of the GEAR Performance groups, and then moved into being an industry coach. Jennifer Hulbert: I did. Jimmy Lea: What did that... What's that short story look like for you? Jennifer Hulbert: Yeah. I was a group member in group two for about 19 years prior to the opportunity to become a facilitator with the institute. That was four years ago, and just was recently asked and accepted the director of programs position, so I'll be overseeing all of our coaching programs with our owners coaches, our service advisors, and our managers. So just in the infancy of that position right now, and we've got lots of good work to do and lots of exciting things to bring to the industry that I'm super excited to be part of. So yeah, it's been a journey. I, and I know all the things, all the positions, so as, first time coming to a meeting to being an integral part of a group process and looking at elevating our own internal groups and the members that we were talking to, including myself. So yeah, it's been quite the journey. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. And here comes a shout-out from Downshift with Tanika. "That's my coach, Jennifer." She is. Thank you, T- Jennifer Hulbert: But love Tanika ... Jimmy Lea: Tanika's with Brown's Automotive out of- Yeah ... North Carolina. Yeah. Chapel Hill. David Boy's also saying, "Hey. Yay, Jennifer." And David, are you joining from Minnesota today? Minneapolis? Are you joining from Florida today? Where is home? Where are your feet planted today? Jennifer Hulbert: He's all over the place. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No, that's awesome. That's awesome. Th- thank you for being a coach. Thank you for being in the industry. You are an inspiration f- to many. You have influenced many, and one of those people you have influenced is Andy Severin with Andrew's Auto. Andy, how the heck are you, brother? Andy Severein: Doing wonderful, Jimmy. Good to be here. Jimmy Lea: Good. Bro, you gotta sit up or something. You look... I got out... We Andy Severein: all these people back. Jimmy Lea: There we Jennifer Hulbert: go Jimmy Lea: I'm so excited to talk to you about this conversation a- as we talk about you and your shop and your business. How long have you been in the business, Andy? What does that look like for you? Andy Severein: I started in this business when I was in high school. I swept floors in a shop when I was 14, 15 years old, and got a job working there right out of... I went to Vo-Tech when I was a senior in high school and and their work work experience program puts you out in a shop halfway through senior year. So I started working there yeah, when I was 17, 18 years old, and was in that shop for, probably till I was about 25, I believe. Wow. Left the industry for a little bit, did some different things with trucks, and was learned a lot about life skills and running a business by owning big trucks. That teaches you a lot quickly. And when I got out of that, I got into the used car side of the business in inventory management, which I had my fingers in the repair side of our inventory. I was... I'd say I was a part of this industry at that part p- that point, that time, that 10 years of my life, but in a little different aspect. Yeah, most of my life I've had my hands getting dirty somewhere. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. Isn't it funny we all start by sweeping floors? Yep. We got a shout-out coming in from David Boyd. Y- you need... You're sitting low for a tall guy. Reach up there, grab your camera, p- point it down just a little bit 'cause it looks like you're sitting on the floor. Andy Severein: It's down as far as it can go. I'm sorry. Jimmy Lea: Oh, really? That's funny. All right, Da- David, you just gotta get over it, man. Don't worry about it. Hey, so you got out, you went into trucking, you came back into into a shop. Did you go directly into owning another shop, or did you get back into turning a wrench first? Andy Severein: I went into the dealership world and- Yeah ... and purchasing and inventory management. The shop that we 10 years ago we started Andrew's Auto. There was a shop that had been in business for 50 years. It's I could see it from my house. We were that close, and it was a mess. Oh, I bet. I knew the owner. I had a relationship with the owner for years, and I planted that seed at one point. If you're, when you're interested in, in, in getting out that I'd be interested in talking. And I at that point, I don't know if my interest more was in cleaning the property up because I could see it from my house and it's that bad- ... or actually being in the auto repair business. But really my experience, the relationships I had had people coming to me constantly with advice, and had people- Yeah coming to me with looking at... They were looking for advice on their cars, and they were sharing experiences with me, experiences that they had at shops. A lot of them bad experiences. So it really it really it really Made me realize that there was a need in our area for a good, honest repair shop. Yeah. So that was my drive behind it, not having any idea what I was getting into at that point. I just knew how to work on cars. That w- that was really it. But thankfully through my life I've worked for some really good people, and looking back through, all the way back to when I was sweeping floors, what I learned from each one of those employers and even my years in, in being in trucking, what I've learned from each thing really prepared me for where I am today. Jimmy Lea: Oh, Jennifer Hulbert: yeah. For Jimmy Lea: sure. Jennifer Hulbert: In a previous conversation, Andy, you said you- you've always put yourself in front of the right people. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: And I think right from an early age, that was just inherent in your personality to put you- ... in the right place at the right time, in front of the right person, to give you some of these opportunities. Andy Severein: Yep. Yep. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love that you're learning along the way. At what point as the business grew, at what point did you realize that your role had to change from being involved in everything to truly being leading the business? Andy Severein: Definitely the institute had a, big part in that. I- Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Jennifer, why are you laughing? Jennifer Hulbert: Because we've had this conversation multiple times. Andy Severein: Yes, we have. Yes, we have. So we, I worked from, it was right in December of 2016 is when we started and things went well. We were busy from day one. We grew, we added people constantly. We did our first major addition renovation to our building in the end of 2019. The the, things were going very well, but there was just so many things I didn't know. And when I I was at the Napa Expo in 2022 in Vegas and and was in one of Cecil's classes, and it just it made me realize there was just a lot that I didn't know, and things I needed to know. And w- what he said really resonated with where we were at that point in time. I had no idea. Like I said, I knew how to fix cars. I didn't know what an average repair order was. We were using Mitchell at that point, and I really paid no attention to the reports. I didn't even know what that stuff was, right? We were just using Mitchell so we had a platform to give people invoices. So it taught me right away some of the, key indicators to, to look at, and I thought, "Whoa. We have a long way to go here." Jimmy Lea: Wow, and by that time you had already been six years in the business. Andy Severein: Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: And- Yep wow, there comes an eye-opening experience. Interesting. That's awesome. What, what- So from that point, you decided, "Oh my gosh, we've gotta change, we've gotta grow, we've gotta develop." What, at what point did you decide, "Hey, you know what? I need to really look at this coaching and training business. I really need to hire me a coach." What did that look like for you? Andy Severein: What drove that and what's still driving me today, I know I'm getting into the future there, but this business, I started it with my son on day one, and the intention of him taking this business over, I hadn't really put a timeframe on when that would happen, but it I think I realized that I need to make this a well-functioning successful business before I hand it over to him. So that, that was really what, resonated to me at that point. "Hey, we have a long way to go." So that that was, why we made some significant changes there right away and adapting to those changes is hard. I tell people that all the time. Being told, "Hey, your ARO should be this," and you think, "Oh my goodness, how are we ever gonna get from $350 to..." I believe our first goal was $550- ... if I'm not mistaken. And, we were inching- And I- ... inching to 500 and all of a sudden it was like maybe we ought to look at things a little different." Now at 600, I'm thinking, "Oh, my goodness." Jennifer Hulbert: I can remember one of those early conversations of, Jen, everyone's talking about this 850, $900 average repair order but you don't understand, my, my customers are different." Andy Severein: "My Jennifer Hulbert: customers aren't going to accept that because I live in an area of the country where we're completely different." And it wasn't until we started to break it down and Andy, you took a really a hard look at understanding the KPIs. We had a lot of discussions on what they meant, what the formulas were, how they're impacted, and that I think opened your eyes to say, "Okay we can do this with a better and a more thorough DVI, and some sales training for our advisors, and a different marketing strategy and conversations with our customers." So I, I was joking with Jimmy before we started this that's typically the first conversation that we as coaches get is, "Oh, wait a minute, you don't understand, my customers are different." And what we've found is what most people realize is no, they're not. They're, they're- ... Jennifer Hulbert: They will respond to the presentations and the information that you're going to give them. And I have some statistics in front of me. In 2022, your average repair order was $367. End of last year it's 732, and I think this year we're knocking the $800 range. So again- ... with some systems, process changes, ideology changes, training, this is exactly what's possible. Andy Severein: Yep. Jimmy Lea: Absolutely. So I have a coaching question for you, Jennifer. How often- are shops coming to you as a coach or you as a facilitator and singing the exact same song that Andy was singing? Jennifer Hulbert: Often. I would say probably 90% of the time. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: And it's because we're fed, there, there's a lot of noise out there. There, there's a ton of noise of what the industry should be. There, there's news articles there's all kinds of news report of what our industry's reputation is, and it's not positive. So we look at this differently. We wanna educate our customers on what's best for you and your vehicle. Nowhere in our sales process that we teach at the institute or that we coach is a hard sales process. We're gonna look at your situation, your vehicle. We're gonna be open and honest about everything that we see, and then work a plan that's gonna work for you. Andy Severein: I Jennifer Hulbert: love that. So when you address it with honesty and true humility, it, it becomes a different conversation than one of a hard press sales, and I'm gonna sell you services that you don't need. It... That, that's not what we do. That's not the integrity of the institute, that's not the integrity of the coaches, and that's not the integrity of the shops that we work with. So a lot of times it's you don't know what you don't know. True. So you don't understand the power of a DVI process. You don't understand the power of an actual structured sales process. And that's exactly what Andy started to realize, and then really took a deep dive in, is, "Okay, I see things differently now, and I can see where we're benefiting our customers from doing this." "So I'm gonna put all the effort into training staff and making sure that we're starting to work towards those different key performance indicators." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Andy, did you feel called out, just Tanika? She's wondering if this is a setup. She feels like she's being called out right now. Did you feel like you were being called out, Andy? Andy Severein: No. I would say not. No? No Jimmy Lea: When you were first starting, you didn't feel like you were being called out, you didn't feel like you were being spotlighted. And you know what? Now let me tell c- build up a little bit more, clarify a little bit more. I enjoy the process that we have at the institute where we're here to meet you where you are as a business and as a shop owner- Yeah and we're going to start from there. What does it take to run your business? What kind of business do you want to have? 100%. Now- Okay. If that's- Yeah, I do ... the kind of business you wanna have, these are the steps we need to take to get to that business that you wanna run. As opposed to a rubber stamp that says, "Follow this process, procedure, and you'll be successful." Okay you don't understand my clients or my customers Jennifer's laughing 'cause yeah we're gonna meet you where you are. What, how do you wanna run your business? What do you, what does success look like for you? 'Cause Andy, your definition of success might be different than Jennifer's, might be different than mine Andy Severein: Sorry, I dropped out with just a moment there. It was just about a five-second window where I had s- Jimmy Lea: For just the most important Andy Severein: point ... in the meat of that, I lost you. Jennifer Hulbert: He- he was saying what success is to you is not the success to someone else. And I'll use something that's very important to you, and that is compensating your staff very well with your profit sharing plan- and your community involvement and sponsorships. So Andy and I have had the conversation of the effects of that on his, to overall net profit- ... but that's his why. He wants to give the best financial outcome to all of his staff based on their efforts towards their success with a profit sharing plan. And then be a very good leader financially in the community to, to support those organizations that are supporting him. And that's much different than my why, and that's gonna be much different than Tanika's why as well. So we've looked at what's important to you in creating that profitability level so you can carry out that why. Andy Severein: Yeah. Absolutely. That why is something that we've figured out over time. We didn't realize going into it what our true why was. I just wanted to build a race car. I thought, "Hey, I have a shop. I can deduct all these parts and, it'll be great." And it took a few years of doing this until we figured out what our true why is, why we're here, and it's awesome. I love that. I'll back up just a minute, though, Jimmy, to your question, if I felt called out, and maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, but I'd probably share with the people that are listening that are thinking about coaching no. I went in there new to everything that was happening, and I never felt called out, put on the spot "Look at this guy." The group has been awesome from the first time I was there with helping me to feel comfortable and share their, their struggles and successes. I never felt called out in a way that I was uncomfortable. And I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but hindsight, that's what I was thinking. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No. That's exactly it. You weren't called out in an embarrassment point of view, but you were- No ... enlightened into, "Oh, wow, these are some things that I can do. These are the steps I can take and need to take so I can run the business the way I want to." I love that. That's awesome. Now, question for you here about pricing and parts and parts GP and labor rates. This can be very emotional for shop owners. This is an emotional subject. What helped you move from being emotional about these topics and these subjects to becoming more logical in those areas? Jennifer Hulbert: Besides peer pressure. Jimmy Lea: Peer pressure is positive. It can be. Andy Severein: Definitely that emotional attachment that, that, as shop owners you have that. When you're working in the shop, you're, you're turning the wrenches you're hands-on with the vehicles, you're talking to the people at the customer. You're talking to the customers at the counter, and there's people you've known forever, and you know their, their families and their financial situations. There's a huge emotional attachment to that, and it's not bad. Yeah. But it definitely it, it definitely is a hindrance to the growth and success of a business, and I... It took me a while to, to learn and understand that. And it's still why I stay away from the the counter, and the, the service advisor role is so important, and I realize that. I'm so blessed to have the people we have now that are really good at what they do, and they get it. They understand. They're coaching with the APT programs, and I keep putting plugs in for you, but it's been very powerful for us. But overall the growth of the business is dependent on that, so we... I've learned to just stay away Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. Andy Severein: I, of course. Jimmy Lea: You know your strengths and your weaknesses. Go ahead, Jennifer. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: I think you also had an understanding of the overall effect o- of what a labor rate increase will do. So that impacts labor gross profit, which impacts your total GP, which impacts your overall net profit. So- ... when we first started to talk about what is your why, and that you wanted it to input this profit sharing and your community involvement we need- those net profit dollars to be able to do that. And we get those through parts and labor GP. So no, it's not just a 10 or a 15% or 10 or $15 labor rate increase, it's going to overall impact that labor GP, which will help the net profit, which is gonna allow you to do what you want to do. Andy Severein: Absolutely. Yeah, that's so true. Absolutely. Yeah, being in the upstairs your knowledge teaching me initially how to read my P&L. I'd never looked at a P&L. When I started to enroll, I didn't even know how much money we had in the bank. I didn't care. Yeah. Bills were being paid, it was great. But now the composite reporting, which was really hard for me, and you remember that, it was super hard for me in the beginning. And now I'm I'm not gonna say I enjoy doing it, but I see the I see the... I do enjoy doing it. I enjoy the results of it. But the the understanding of how we're getting to net profit and why that net profit is so expensive is so important, Yeah that- It's critical ... that's not being downstairs, but w- my offices are upstairs staying up there and keeping an eye on that is is, it's been my the key to, to, to the growth here. Absolutely. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: And let's break this down for those that are watching that don't understand what a P&L is. They hear the word all the time. They hear P&L. This is your profit and loss, pro- P&L, profit and loss. Most shop owners will look at their P&L, they really don't understand it. They're looking for that last number. Is it red or is it black? If it's black we know we're good, we know we're making money. If it's red We're losing money, and that's what the understanding of most shop owners are. At the institute, we also have a financial intensive that helps you as a shop owner to understand how to read the entire P&L, how to get it set up properly with your accountant so that you are getting the right and correct information when you need it most. And a P&L should not take months and months for your accountant to put together and g- and- No ... deliver to you. W- what's the average? How long should it take, Jennifer? Jennifer Hulbert: To, for, to start to make changes? Jimmy Lea: Oh, no. J- In order- Hey, Mr. Accountant or Mrs. Accountant, I would like my P&L. Jennifer Hulbert: You should get that once a month. M- minimally, I would say, our require- our reporting requirement is by the 20th of the month. So you should be getting that by the 15th or the 18th from, for the previous month from your- ... accountant or your bookkeeper. Jimmy Lea: So if you're only getting a P&L once a year, you may wanna either ask for more and get a better understanding, or m- perhaps you need a different- accountant. So if you need a different accountant, we know a guy. Come talk to us. We know a guy. Jennifer Hulbert: We do. Yeah. We do. A- Yeah ... and it, knowing where you're at from a profitability standpoint tells a tenth of the story. So where do we need to put our focus? Yeah. Is it in gross profits for parts? Is it in gross profit for labor? Is it in expense control? Because, so many times- ... we have a lot of members who have really good gross profit percentages, but they're not controlling their expenses and they eat away, their profitability that way. Yeah. We break down our expenses into, what, 30 categories probably, 35 categories individually, and have benchmarks for individual expenses. So th- that's what our owner coaching and our group process does, is we- ... we focus on not only systems and processes within your shop, but the understanding of your financials, so you know- ... which specific areas to target and to make some improvements on. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: And Andy, that's where I credit you because th- we had some, many meetings where he's "Jen, make me understand this. I really need to understand how all this works together," and we probably worked for six months- ... u- until you had that understanding and now you do, and, your profitability is, has increased ex- ... quite a Andy Severein: bit. Jimmy Lea: That's awesome. Yeah, and I think there's a lot of shop owners that are out there that are just like you, Andy, that are in that same position that says, "I don't know what I don't know, and this is definitely one area that I need to know more. Help me understand it." And you dig into it, and you dig into it, and you dig into it and the more you learn, the better you are. Our last financial intensive, I think we had 40 plus people here at, in Ogden at the financial intensive. So next April, if you're wanting to understand your income statement and your profit and loss and your balance sheet, come here to the institute. We've got a phenomenal program for you. You definitely want it. Whoa, that was cool. Now, oh, Raleigh. Props, dude. That was your dr- that was mic drop. Scan the QR code. Get in on our next financial intensive. Yes, that is going to be awesome. We'd love to have you here, y- and you will learn tremendous amount. I want to go back to another acronym you dropped out on, on everybody here. You mentioned the APG. N- our industry is full of acronyms. APG stands for the Advisor Performance Group, and that's with the institute. So Andy, you have your advisors in the program right now? Andy Severein: We do. Jimmy Lea: What have you seen with your advisors? What's the change that they've gone through? Andy Severein: Probably the biggest thing I've ... The biggest thing I appreciate that I that I'm getting directly is, their understanding of the numbers that they're achieving and ... But also, the way the program's put together, allowing them to see the big picture of what the business looks like, what it should look like, what it could look like, whatever your circumstance is. But doing that from a different perspective than myself talking to them, I think allows them to grow. And it's one thing for me, for an owner, for somebody to say something to somebody, but when they're hearing from an actual coach, it's like, "Hey, that guy's not just full of hot air. He knows what he's talking about." Now that's been powerful, but aligning all of our people, Yeah ... through those different programs has been really powerful for us. And that growth that we've really seen in the last, what, year or so I can directly attribute to, and I'll drop another acronym, the MPG program, as well as the APG program. Jimmy Lea: So what's the MPG? Andy Severein: The Manager Performance Group. Yep. We have two managers here now, Nate and Brian. My son, Nate, one of them. They just got back from Utah. We've been so busy, we haven't ... We've done some quick debriefs, but we haven't had time to really sit down and put everything together that that I brought back from the group five meeting last week, or the week before last, and then they came back from Utah with their normal plane delays. ... Oh, no. Jennifer Hulbert: Dang. Andy Severein: But they made it. Jennifer Hulbert: And let's talk about what that growth looks like. So in 2023, you ended the year at 2.1 million. 2025, you ended a million dollars up at 3.1. And you- you've entered the managers and the advisors into the program along with working in the owners of- Yep your performance group program. But like you said, you've aligned your entire staff in the direction that you want to take it- ... with training and opportunities and information of to align to that direction. So just you talking to your staff and coming back from one of the GPG meetings, Gear Performance Group meetings- A- and it's like them trying to absorb what your understanding of the training is- Versus now I'm getting it from a coach who is aligned with that ideology, and now we're gonna move everyone in the same direction. So I think for you, Andy, that's been the biggest change. Now, has it cost you some money? Yes. Coaching is not free. Sometimes, people say, "I want cheap coaching." You get what you pay for. That's what you get. And you're gonna get the results that you pay for. A 30%, 32% increase in two years in sales is the... you could attribute that directly to the coaching. And again I know this sounds like a sales presentation for the institute. It, it's not meant to be that way. I just know that Andy and I have had these discussions over the past three years of how, what can I do to improve? And because- ... you have dedicated the time and the energy to some coaching programs, you've got some very good results. Now, you've set some of that standard. I expect X out of you, service advisor, from a gross profit and an average repair order- ... and an effective labor rate standpoint 'cause you've held those standards high- ... and communicated those expectations, which is also very important for results. But y- you've done a very good job at communicating what the expectation is, and then your team has followed up with those results. Andy Severein: Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: I love it. Y- there's, the saying is you were talking about the expense of training. Training is so expensive. What what if I train my guys and they leave? What if you don't train them and they stay? Andy Severein: Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Andy, have you ever had a situation where you've trained someone and they left? Andy Severein: I have not. We have very little turnover So that's Jimmy Lea: the benefit of training today, is your people will stay. Andy Severein: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No, we have very little turnover of people. In fact, I think there was only one advisor I had that was, he was here for a short period of time and he had come from managing an entire operation and had another opportunity to go back to what he had been doing. So I don't fault him at all. So he's the only person that I had in training and I hope that the things that he learned, he can take into his future. So- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... Andy Severein: great guy. Yeah. He's a great guy. Oh, Jimmy Lea: I Jennifer Hulbert: totally agree. And let's talk about why your staff stays. What makes you different from some other shops that have some high turnover? And, and- Yeah ... we've talked about this. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Well- What are you Andy Severein: doing, Andy? Jimmy Lea: Is it pizza on Friday? Andy Severein: Wednesdays. Wednesdays. And we try not to do pizza too much. That really gets old, right? We have a big old grill here. I like to make food and do different things. But we really try to take care of our people in many different ways, not just, in their, problems that are going on in their life. We try to speak into their lives as, as much as we can and just be there for them. And, they're our family. We s- we spend more time with the people that work for us than anybody else. I'm careful who I allow into that family. And I feel we've done very well. In fact, we had somebody start here just recently, and his comments are just like every person I've heard in the past. Everybody here just gets along. Everybody helps each other. It's it's, it makes me... i'm really happy of that, and I'm really happy about that, because that's what I want. I wanna treat our guys really well. I want them to be excited about what they do, try to keep them motivated and and try to... My goal has always been to try to have a place that the word on the street is, "Hey, you wanna work for this guy, because they'll really take care of you in every way, not just pay." So it's extending a lot of grace regularly, that's that's part of it. Managing that grace can be tough. But but we... it's a blessing overall. It really is. We have a great staff of people here. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. And what those people are talking about is the company culture, the culture that you have created in your company. They're j- it's, they're just so impressed by it, that this is a great company culture. So I... That doesn't happen by accident What are you doing today as a leader that is different than what you were doing three years ago, four years ago, five years ago? What are you doing different Andy Severein: I can't- honestly don't know if I'm really doing anything different. I hope I'm not, actually. I've always tried to connect with everybody regularly and just, listen to their needs and keep an open atmosphere that they can come to us with whatever's going on, if it's a problem at home or just, bumped into another car in the parking lot, don't be afraid to come to us with anything. And I... so to answer that, yeah, I don't feel like I'm doing anything really differently. I have the help of my wife now. She's a huge part of it. She was here in the beginning for the first five years, and she was working the front desk and it wasn't quite five years. It might've been three or four years and she just couldn't do it anymore. It was way over her head. She's a people person. And she had an opportunity to go work in a restaurant for some friends, which she took, and that opened the door for my, my, my front desk guy, Jimmy, to come in here. Jimmy's just an awesome person. He's just a light. He's always smiling. He's a lot like you, Jimmy. He- Jimmy Lea: It goes with the name. That's, Andy Severein: that's- You're both Jimmy. But yeah, Lori came back here in the beginning of '24, I believe. Nice. And she's been here a little over two years now. I convinced her that her skills, while she was much appreciated at the restaurant, the effort that she was putting in there would be would be very beneficial to us and our staff as we grow here. So she is a huge part of it. Plays Jimmy Lea: defense. Yeah. Jennifer, what are you seeing that Andy does different today? And by the way, Andy, you're constantly improving, so to say you're not doing anything different, it's not exactly true, because that constant improvement- ... is changing and you are becoming better. Andy Severein: True. Jimmy Lea: That's true. So as Coach, what are you seeing different that Andy does today that he didn't do when you first met? Jennifer Hulbert: I would agree with him. I think, hi- his heart i- is in the right place in wanting to do- Totally agree ... what's best for his staff. So that's just who, Andy, you are. I think today you're a little more intentional with that I- in some of the conversations and, interactions with the staff from discussions that we've had. I'll give you a recent example that they've just acquired their second shop months ago. Andy Severein: A couple weeks, three, four weeks ago. Yeah, beginning of May we started. Yep. Jennifer Hulbert: And the advisor there, they're looking to, w- we're gonna look to bring her to the service advisor intensive that's happening right now. She's never- Yeah ... flown before, so Lori says I'll go with you." I will join you on the plane. I will go to Utah with you. I will, get you all set up, make sure that you're completely just at peace with this. But that's who Andy and Lori are. So to say- Love it ... that they've done a lot different I would agree with you, Andy. I don't think you have. I just think you're a little more intentional- Yeah ... w- with it today than you may were three or four years ago. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Andy Severein: Yeah. More clarity. Jimmy Lea: See, Andy Severein: and Jimmy Lea: That's to the core of who you are. That's to your heart. Your heart has always been in that right place. And that constant improvement are things that you're doing, the things that happen, you don't, probably don't see that you're doing it. But a coach, someone on the outside looking in would say, "You know what, Andy? You are becoming much more intentional. You are having these great conversations. Your heart has always been there," and it's something that you don't see because it's second nature to you, Andy. But a coach is gonna go, "Hey, you know what? This is unique. This is s- this is special. This is awesome that you do this." That's pretty cool. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: That's pretty good. So what is the future? You just added a second shop. Does that mean that there's a third one, or is it too soon to ask? Andy Severein: I've planted the seeds for the third one. I did that a while ago. That might have been the second one, but this one just kinda flew in there quickly. But it's in a neighboring shop. I can see it. It's just one, two- Two buildings over? ... two buildings away. So they were our closest- Wow ... competition. Jimmy Lea: Wow. Andy Severein: Interesting. So we had the opportunity to buy that. The owner was was wanting to retire, and hap- wanted to make it happen quickly, so he we were able to work a deal out there. I acquired all of his employees and and, it's been a, it's been really good so far. We- I'm really excited about where that is and I've said this to Jennifer to take a business that has not been run well for years and apply, what we've learned we- we've learned and applied it here slowly to try to apply it to a business like that is, it's a pretty exciting challenge. And, seeing that ARO, it was 200-some dollars when we started it and I think we're substantially over that. We haven't advertised it yet. The building needs a lot of work, and we- we're looking forward to doing that work over the coming weeks and months. So we're really excited of what the possibilities are there. We really just needed some overflow, honestly. We're almost at capacity here where we are, and having a little bit of of option for more base space to send some work over there, customers we can't help in our time, in their timeframe with our busy schedule to be able to capture them is high on my priority list of what to do, love it. Always kinda looking for ways to, looking ahead to, what is our next, next, way to grow. To have... If there's more shops I don't know if that's- If that happens, fine. I'm, I've no problem with that. I'm not focused on that. I wanna... I still see a tremendous amount of improvement we could do where we are, and we'll try to, we'll try to continue to focus on that. But our pattern's been about every three years we do, what's the next step? 2023 we did a pretty large addition to be able to handle heavier pickup trucks and the dually trucks, construction pickup trucks. We were doing a lot of that stuff, so we put an addition on there. So here we are three years later, buying another shop. That's our that's- this is the next step and, what's the next in three more years? That's been our pattern. We've got some ideas, Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. It- What's gonna come in 2029? That's, you Andy Severein: got to be sweating. Jimmy Lea: Exactly. Andy Severein: Exactly. Oh, that's awesome. Got some pre- got some pretty cool ideas. We'll keep focused keep focused on what could happen there and work towards that goal. Jimmy Lea: Yeah, for sure. I- is it too soon, or can I ask this? You only bought this other shop at the beginning of May, so we're looking at six, seven weeks, eight weeks now that you've- owned the s- the second shop. $200 average repair order. Where are you now? In a very short time period, has it increased significantly, or are you still hovering in that 2 to $300 range? Andy Severein: No it's climbed. I think we're in the $400 range right now. I'm sorry, I haven't looked at that lately. I just realized- Yeah ... as you're asking me that question. So we've about- Yeah ... doubled that. Jimmy Lea: Doubled it in less than six weeks. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Implementing proper process, procedures. You intro- did you introduce a DVI program to them? Andy Severein: We did. Yep, introduced that. So that's been good. That's a... W- we're trying to... We have-- There's so many customers there that were the customers that that you don't want, that, we're trying to get rid of 'em. They, you tell 'em what their car needs, they take it home and fix it, and then bring it back and get an inspection sticker. We have state inspection here in Pennsylvania, an annual inspection, so that's a huge part of what we do and so yeah, that's been... working those customers out of our system is the goal here. Make way for good customers. And we've really seen a, an upturn just in the last few weeks of busyness. So it's it's exciting. Jimmy Lea: Oh, that is exciting. That's awesome. Congratulations. So a- as we, we look in towards the future here what leadership skills are you working on today To help you strengthen yourself, strengthen the business as you continue to grow, what are you working on yourself or the business in your leadership realm? Andy Severein: Oh, goodness. I'd love to say that I read a book a week or even a book a month, but that doesn't happen. I, and I could I, probably said it to Jennifer and I'll say it again. What we're doing in the GPG groups right now is so good. What we just did in the group five meeting in Indiana the other week our two main presentations are things that are so relevant to me right now, and that's, defining where in the business, where we need to be and what those roles are, and focusing on those things. That's, it, we're... i, it's funny I still struggle with basic things sometimes it feels even what my roles need to be, but that clarity is huge to me, and we're really, as a, we as our mana- myself and the managers really, working on that stuff. But, I'm, I personally, a- and I'll radiate where I started in, in this business, my goal almost from the start was to work my way out of this and create an opportunity for my son to move into which will probably at this point looks like it'll be my son and Brian together, the two managers. And presenting opportunities for them is exciting to me. They're both going to the to Michael Smith to the leadership- Leadership intensive ... in Washington, DC. Oh, yeah. There's another plug. You'll see the thing come across the bottom of the screen right now. Yeah. But Jimmy Lea: it's not- Leadership intensive in July in Washington, DC. Is that the one? That, oh! There it is. Look at that. There Andy Severein: it is. Oh, Mike Johnson. Jimmy Lea: There it is. Yeah, Raleigh, way to go, brother. He gave me a thumbs up. Andy Severein: But I did that course two years ago, I think it was in Ogden, and I really feel like I could do it again 'cause I'm at a I'm... I've learned so much in two years, but I'm really happy to be able to give those guys the opportunity to do that, to let them grow. Because I look at this now as "Hey this is gonna be for you to run." Yeah. And I want them to outperform anything I've ever done. I just wanna set the stage for them to be able to hit the ground running. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. And attending another leadership intensive, you're gonna learn even more because you've had two- Andy Severein: Yeah Jimmy Lea: years of runway under your belt that you have learned and developed and grown. Now when you attend it again, you have such a solid foundation. Now you're ready to build that building. You're ready to build upon what you've already learnt, implemented, discovered, rewrote as your truth tapes. You know what those next steps are gonna be, and y- you'll go to leadership intensive. You, your brain will still melt, we'll still have to pour it back in your head because of the learning that will happen And now the development and growth you'll have for the next year as well will be just tremendous. So Andy- ... Jimmy Lea: Get to the DC, get to the leadership intensive. You need to be there Andy Severein: I'll consider that. Jimmy Lea: That's a good idea. Yeah, take that into consideration. Anybody that's watching this as well, and you see it go back to that QR code, get into that Leadership Intensive. It really will change... thank you. It really will change the way you think about yourself, about your business, about your life- Yeah about why you think the way you think, and then you can help to discover why other people think the way that they think. Andy Severein: Absolutely. Jimmy Lea: Oh, so powerful. So powerful. Jennifer Hulbert: And one, one of the things that I really wanna point out to the listeners is, typically when we have a new client coming into our individual coaching program is they see people like Andy, and they're intimidated. But hearing Andy's story, that he started off, fixing cars in a very small shop himself, building it to now a multi-shop owner, not having to be an integral part of the day-to-day of the business because he has put people in the right seats, grown the business to a level that you can have a mid-tier manager- it's totally doable. Now, does it require blood, sweat, and tears? Absolutely. I own a shop. I was a service advisor for two years full time. You don't get to this point without going through some of those steps, but it is doable. A- and- Yeah ... sitting saying I only have 500 or $600,000 in sales this year," that, that was Andy at one Andy Severein: point. Jennifer Hulbert: And, now we're in a completely different scenario because of the changes and the improvements and the attention you've put to these improvements and your leadership style. So I, I get a lot of new members and I was actually at a group two member, or group two meeting a couple weeks ago, and then had a meeting with a member, and, she said, "Jen, you don't understand what we come back to because you have two managers in your shop." And I said, "Hold on a minute. I was you 15 years ago." So i- it does take time, and it does take attention but it is totally doable, and we can take you from opening your own shop, I have two members who had, have started to work with us prior to even purchasing their shop, to now owning their shop, to becoming a multi-shop owner. So the, all of those steps and processes we have the ability and the knowledge and the training and coaching to fill all of those steps, but it is a process. Yeah. You're not gonna go, from Andy opening your shop to $3.1 million being pretty much a hands-off owner in two years. It- ... had taken 10 or 14 to do Jimmy Lea: that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You... If you keep doing what you've always done, you're gonna keep getting what you've always got. You- Yep ... you've gotta do something to change. And so Jennifer, to this specific scenario, a shop owner that you would have worked with that they went from a bucket and a wrench and a computer to multi shop owner what did their timeline look like? So maybe others who are listening can go, "Oh you know what? In six years, I'm gonna be six years older. I'm either gonna be still with a bucket and a wrench, or I can invest in myself and improve." What's that look like? So Jennifer Hulbert: the timeframe differs be- because of this. So it's your ideology, it's your mentality, it's where do you want to go and how are you going to take the steps to get there? We can give you the information. Again, one of the reasons I've suggested Andy being on this podcast is because he's done a lot with the information to get to where he is today. So if you enact it if you take it home and you actually implement some of the things that we talk about, you're gonna move much faster than someone who is, "You don't understand, my customers are different." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: Two, two totally different types of shop owners. That's true. So I would say the timeframe is different for everyone, but five, six years to go from small to large, Maybe Yeah ... if I had to put a timeframe on it. Jimmy Lea: And I think you hit on the two elements that must be implemented in every situation. You talked about the attention. You've gotta give it attention. You've gotta give it the attention it needs because it doesn't happen by accident. It needs to be it needs your attention. And the second one is that you have to be intentional- Yes ... about what you're doing. Yes. If you don't know what you're doing, you could wander in the forest and be walking in circles because you don't have that compass. Compasses were created before time, before clocks. Why? Because we needed to know where we were going. So compasses are more important. You need a coach, you need a direction, you need some help to make sure you make- Jennifer Hulbert: And some accountability. That, that's what the premise of our whole GPG program is. Is it's not only the facilitator and the coach holding you accountable, you're being held accountable by a group of your peers. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Jennifer Hulbert: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Yes. So if you're listening to this and you are the shop that's at that 500,000 or 600,000, let's start that journey together. We can do this. We can do it together and make it happen for you that in four, three, four, five, six years you're having the same conversation with somebody else who's doing a podcast to talk about your success story, and it's gonna be similar to what Andy has. Andy, final question from me and then Jennifer, a question from you for Andy if you want to pipe in here. And in fact, I might have two. My first question is gonna say what advice would you give another shop owner who is thinking that there's gotta be a next level? Andy Severein: There absolutely is, and I can say from experience to figure out what that level or what your goal is, what do you want to achieve and how can you achieve that? It, it-- That's true to anything in life, but it's having the understanding or the understanding of what tools you can use to, to get yourself to that point. Once again, in my case, it was I wanna work my way out of a job, what does that look like? And but certainly doable, with some input, some coach. People, most shop owners that I've found are pretty close-minded, don't wanna be told what to do. You know- ... they're doing it great, don't tell me. And that's why I was at an auction earlier today for a shop that closed down because, they just choose to just do the same thing they always did, and at the end of the day, they got nothing left. No business and just a bunch of tools to sell Jimmy Lea: Wow ... Andy Severein: doesn't have to be that way. Doesn't have Jennifer Hulbert: to be Andy Severein: that way at all. No way. Nope. Jimmy Lea: No. No. Yeah. They're getting pennies on the dollars for those tools and assets. Jennifer. Jennifer Hulbert: I don't think I have a question for you, Andy. I, and you're a pretty humble guy, and I want you to really hear this, so thank you for being an industry leader, and thank you for setting the tone and the example of what success can really look like. And, I hope you're an inspiration to those who are watching and listening to this because you've done exactly my why. My why is to help elevate individual shop owners, and because of your attention and intention to the information that we've been discussing you've climbed to that level. So I want you to really hear that you are an industry leader, and I thank you for being here, and thank you for being a part of the institute. Andy Severein: Yeah. Thank you. That means a lot to me. I certainly don't see myself that way. I I still hear Parker Branch telling me maybe two years ago, "With a few changes, you'll pass me." I'm like, "Yeah, whatever" Jennifer Hulbert: You're getting close Andy Severein: You are Jimmy Lea: getting close, yeah. Andy Severein: Yep. By the end of 2027 when shop number two kicks in, watch out, Parker. Jimmy Lea: You'll join him in that million dollar net club. Yeah. Andy Severein: That's the plan. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. That's the plan. Yep. Yep. All right. One final question coming from Tanika and then a final question from me. Did you get any pushback from your technicians, the technicians you acquired implementing a DVI program, changing their process, procedure, moving their cheese? Andy Severein: Honestly, if you're asking about the shop we just bought- No? ... not a whole lot because they knew that their leadership was terrible. They knew that there was better way to do things. They're a neighboring shop. They saw our parking lot full of cars all the time and their parking lot empty, right? So- Jimmy Lea: Ouch. Yeah ... Andy Severein: that was, for them to be shown How we do it. They understood right away that it worked. They knew that. So it's, it is it's been... Certainly has its challenges, but it hasn't been hard at all. Teaching them the processes has really been the hardest thing, but the understanding, the knowledge of it the knowledge of, the why we're doing it I don't wanna say it's one of the easier parts of taking over that business, but I think it has been. Jimmy Lea: It kinda sounds like it. It sounds like they were definitely primed and ready for you to step in there and take over. Andy Severein: They were all really hungry, yeah. They knew that our leadership was bad. I don't know why they didn't all quit and walk Jimmy Lea: out. Yeah. No, congrats, man. That's awesome. All right, last and final question. Years from now, years down the road, don't know what that number is w- what do you want people to say about your shop, about your team, and about the owner who built it all? Andy Severein: Boy, I, I hope it's, I hope it's what our goal's always been, and that's that we are just awesome people, trustworthy give back to the community, the same things we've always been. I I hope that can be our legacy here. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. For sure. I hope so as well 'cause you are awesome people. Andy Severein: Yeah. Thank you. Yes, Jimmy Lea: they are. Andy Severein: You guys are too, so that means a lot. Jimmy Lea: Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for everybody who's listening. If any of this has sounded interesting or information that you wanna pursue even further, get out your cellphone 'cause as soon as we go to credits, there is a QR code. Let's meet. Let's talk. Let's sit down and review your business. What can we do to help you? Our goal, our core, is to help build a better business for you to... which results in a better life for you, which our intention is to build a better industry. So we are all about building a better business, a better life, and a better industry. With that, my name is Jimmy Lea. I'm with the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence, and thank you. Thank you, Jennifer. Thank you, Andy. Really appreciate you guys being here. Andy Severein: Yep. Thank you. Jennifer Hulbert: Thank you.

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