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Shop Fix Academy PodcastJune 29, 2026 · 37 min

The Secrets To A Quarter Million Dollars With Your Phone Calls | EP3 | Shop Fix Academy Podcast

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About this episode

$240,000 should be the baseline for a service advisor, but instead it seems like a dream to many shop owners. In this episode Berg and…

Key takeaways

  • —Great communication is the most crucial attribute for a successful service advisor.
  • —Service advisors should focus on building trust with customers rather than relying solely on automotive knowledge.
  • —Listening to customers and managing their expectations is vital for effective communication.
  • —Preparedness and having processes in place can significantly improve service advisor efficiency.
  • —Regular training and accountability are essential for enhancing service advisor skills and performance.

Frequently asked

What makes a good service advisor?
A good service advisor excels in communication, builds trust with customers, and effectively manages expectations.
How can service advisors improve their performance?
Service advisors can improve by undergoing regular training, being prepared for customer interactions, and actively listening to customer concerns.
Why is training important for service advisors?
Training is crucial as it helps advisors develop essential skills, increases their average repair order (ARO), and ultimately boosts shop revenue.
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Did you ever listen to yourself on phone calls? Oh my gosh, I sound like that? When they are actually used, they sound like they're reading. The advisors don't treat it like it's art. Have you ever done this? And I've done this once. It burned me once. That is big. That is, that is massive. It is just a deflection mechanism. It absolutely is.

To go, I don't know that I trust you. Welcome to the ShopFix Academy Podcast. I'm your host, The Berg. The Berg. That's his name. First name, The. Last name, Berg. My name is Guy, and we're going to talk a little bit today about service advisor. Service advisor. And that's where I started 15 years ago as a service advisor. Love it. How about you?

I was actually a technician for 10 years and then moved into the service advisor position only because the shop I wanted to work for didn't have a spot for me. As a technician. And did you go by Berg? No, no. I gave you that name. You gave me that name. You went by Mike. Never Mike. Whoo! Guy Roberts. That's a hot button.

Guy Roberts. And I like to push that hot button. Never Mike. Never call him Mike. He's Michael or he gets angry. This is a Mike. This is a Mike. So, so what makes a good service advisor? Yeah, I think let's talk about that. Like the attributes of a great service advisor. And we've seen a lot. I mean, especially with you and Sales Fix program, you've had a ton of advisors come through that program.

Yeah. And, and we can kind of highlight some of those and spotlight those. But like, what are the top attributes of a service advisor in your opinion? Yeah, for sure. I think, and just coming up as a service advisor and being a manager of service advisors, definitely the advisors who were the most successful were great communicators. That's the— I think the biggest attribute of a great service advisor is communication.

Just great communicator. And I think that a lot of shop owners feel like you have to have a lot of auto knowledge, you have to have a lot of knowledge about cars to sell work. Oh yeah. And that's— and back in the day, that was, that was the truth, right? Yeah. Because nobody trusted anybody unless they knew all the things and they could run out to the car and tune the carburetor real quick and, you know, send them on their way.

Yeah. A full service, what's the Mayberry? The Mayberry. Gomer. Gomer Pyle. Gomer Pyle. Yeah. Let's get off Gomer. But yeah, so definitely my experience and I don't know if this was your experience because I'd love to hear you coming from the back to the front as well as a technician going into service advisor role. What were some of the things that you struggled with?

Well, A, I struggle with technicians that didn't do the full inspections. Yes. And I was telling customers half the story of the car, I felt, a lot of times. So I struggled with that a lot coming from the technician world. Okay. And you felt like you had to lean on your technician knowledge a lot. 100%. The, the biggest thing I struggled with is when a customer called and said, hey, I've got this going on with my car, I wanted to fix it.

Yeah. I want to fix that sucker right over the phone. Do this, do this, do this. And— you know? Yeah. And it's hard to shift that gear to that communicator. Right. Because you're facilitating and trying to get them over the curb. You're trying to get them into your store. You're not trying to fix the car over the phone. Correct. They don't want that.

They don't. The car's still broke. Exactly. And they don't understand a lot of what you're saying, right? I'll just say a lot of what has connected with service advisors being in Salesfix and talking with advisors, many advisors who don't have that auto background have been phenomenal salespeople. Phenomenal. Yes. I didn't have auto background. I don't feel like I was an amazing salesperson, but I did a really good job.

And I feel like it was leaning on— actually, I know it's because of just the way I communicate with people. Because, I mean, think about your Aunt Donna, right? My Aunt Donna, 70-something years old, and you're throwing out words like hydroscopic fluid because what does that mean? What is it? I don't know. She doesn't either. And she doesn't care. Right. Customers just want to know how much and when do I get my car back?

Sure. But they do want to understand what's going on. Right. Absolutely. Well, they want to feel safe. They want to feel like they can trust you. Correct. They want to have that relationship. They don't care about all the terms. They just want to know, can I trust this guy? Absolutely. Yeah. And car knowledge does not make trust. Yeah, necessarily. No. Right. Oftentimes we talk over their heads, customers' heads, and they're just thinking in the back of their head, how do I get out of this conversation?

Yes. Right. Yeah. So that's what's, that's what's going on with that. Absolutely. So what are some other— so communication. Yep. It's interesting because communication is 80% visual. Yes. Which means you have to be even more of an effective communicator over the phone because they can't see you. True. Absolutely. So getting those scripts down and just knowing how to communicate and how to talk and scripting is so crucial.

And it's not done right. I mean, we hear it in Salesfix all the time. Sure. When scripts are actually used, which is not that often, when they are actually used, they sound like they're reading. That's the biggest problem with scripts. The advisors don't treat it like it's art. Yeah. If they turn that script into an art that they're actually owning that and that's their masterpiece, it would completely change the difference of a script.

Yeah. It has to be turned into art 'cause they have to own it. Yeah, make it their own for sure. Absolutely. Absolutely, and those are some of the things that we teach is taking those scripts and, internalizing them on your training time, not while in the moment and in the call with the customer, internalizing them so it naturally comes out of you.

So, you know, when you, you know, you can liken this to anything. Let's just use music, for example, and a musician. You have to do your practice and you have to learn all the parts and all the different tools. Like if you're a guitar player, all the scales and understand melody, things like that. You can't just do that. I have zero melody, just FYI.

You do have zero melody. We're going to have him sing a little bit. We're not. At the end of this. Actually, you played the intro, didn't you? The intro music? No? Anyway. But it's exactly like that. Learn the parts. Learn drummers, learn your rudiments, learn all the tools on your tool belt so it comes out of you naturally. And listen back, like after you've played it, like you've gotta, it's practice, it's art.

Did you ever listen to yourself on phone calls? I hated it. I hated it too. But when I did, I got better. I was like, oh my gosh, I sound like that? Yeah. I thought I was doing X, Y, and Z. Oh yeah. In your head you make up these stories. You're like, I sound like this. It's just not true. Absolutely. Yeah.

But listening to them. But it was interesting when you listen to recordings, you actually listen to the customer. And I never felt like I listened to the customer well. You feel like it was because you were trying to think of the next thing to say? Yes. Yeah. I was trying to fix their car. So I was just, I was listening a little bit to them, but it's like, what's the fix?

Oh, I already know this. You drive a Toyota Camry, it's gonna be an ignition coil, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, that's interesting. So that's something that as a technician moving to the front counter that you're gonna struggle with because you are hearing what they say. Oh yeah. And like, I know exactly what that is. Yeah. Spark plug, I know it. See it 100%.

Right. Yeah, I'm already building the estimate in my head. Yeah, nice. Which the price would come out for sure a lot of times. Okay. Which is also a mistake to give a price because you don't know. Nope. You just, you don't know what the car needs over the phone. Yeah. Come on. I thought I did. I was a technician. That's true. I didn't know.

So communicating, listening. I think a lot of advisors fail on the listening part. They don't take time and they don't pause after the customer. Guys, when you listen to your own store, and you listen to your advisors, it's never a good day. No, it's never a good day. But they constantly talk over the customer. Constantly. I'm like, guys, just slow down, pause, think, listen.

Yeah, for sure. And I do hear a lot of the corny jokes. Yes. Are you sitting down, Mr. Smith? Oh my gosh. And I feel like it's, please God, don't say that. Don't. But I feel like it is, it's because you're nervous. Most often it's because you don't know what to say and you're— Absolutely. You feel like you are being a good communicator by tying things together with little corny jokes.

Please don't do that. Please, no corny jokes. Have a conversation. Just have a conversation. Just have a conversation. Simple conversation, that's right. The advisors who don't have auto background, a big struggle is they feel like they need to lean on auto knowledge. And when they don't know the answer to a question a customer has, there's these long pauses where they're trying to, because they're trying to think of the words to say because they want to sound like the expert.

Oh yeah. Right? All the time. And I remember listening back to a specific, I have a specific advisor of mine, sitting her down and having her listen to herself. When she didn't know what to say, there was these long pauses. And what it sounded like when you listened to it is she's trying to make up something. Oh boy. Right. And it sounded very dishonest.

She wasn't being dishonest. She just— Do not make up a story. Don't— do not lie to your customer. Easy script for that. Oh man. Great question, Mr. Smith. Yeah. Let me get an answer for you on that. Can I put you on a brief hold? Absolutely. Really quick. Sounds very natural. Yeah. Sounds very trustworthy. You know, I'm making things up. On the lying topic, like customers would call in, you make up all these different excuses, blah, blah, blah.

Just tell them the truth. Yeah. They would much rather know that you forgot to order the part and that's why their car is not getting out of the shop. For sure. Hey, I'm sorry. I'm human. I messed up. I did not order that part. I missed the cutoff. I'm sorry. Every time they were— they just worked with you because you, you talked to them like another human being.

Correct. Do not tell stories. Yeah. It never works out. It doesn't. It always leads into a deeper hole and a deeper hole and a deeper hole. And we've all been caught with those things. Another one, another thing that a great advisor, when a customer calls in and says, hey, have y'all checked out my car yet? Oh, all the time. It's like, oh yeah, I was just about to call you.

They always say that. I was just thinking about it. Please do not do that. Just go, Hey, let me check on this. I know they were getting super close. Let me call you back in. Can I call you back in 5 minutes? Have you ever done this? And I've done this once. It burned me once. Have you said, yeah, Mr. Smith, they actually already pulled it around and it's still sitting out there and the customer drove by, saw their car.

That's why they called. I had a customer actually do that, but he was walking in the door on the phone with me. Oh, I've never had that happen. Womp, womp, womp. Tell me what happened. Tell me all about it. Burke's face got real red. Oh, yeah. Backpedaling like crazy. Oh, I just ended up just apologizing like— Love it. I'm so sorry. I learned a big lesson on that one.

Yeah. Big lesson. Yeah. The no update update. Yes. Speaking of communication and all the ways not to communicate. Yeah. Yeah. No update update. So many advisors are scared of that. Yeah, what do I do? Or, or, or the, um, when things are slow, calling a customer, just doing callbacks. But yeah, the no update update is wonderful as long as you have a script for it.

Yeah, it's great for me. Like the, the no update update, the technician's still back on the safari trying to figure out the car. Yep, has no clue what's going on. But wait a minute, I thought you on this— so we're not in Africa, it's an actual safari? It's an actual safari, that's what I call them. They're on, on these massive Safaris. They have no clue where they're going on this car.

Yeah. Okay. Maybe they're under the dash with the wiring harness broken out. I don't know. Does Chevy make a Safari? They did. That's what I thought you meant. There have been some Safaris on Safaris. On Safaris. Gotcha. Okay. But the technician has no clue where— they haven't figured out what's going on. Correct. Well, advisors are a lot of times scared to call the customer and just tell them, like, hey, I have no idea what's going on with your car.

Yeah. When in fact they need to do that. Yeah. And they need to go, hey, Bob's back there on the car right now. He hasn't figured it out just yet. Can I call you at this time? Yeah. Managing expectations is the biggest thing. So the no update update, just saying, hey, Mr. Customer, I know about you, I hear you, I feel for you, and I'm communicating about the process.

Yeah. Right. And just managing those expectations, especially when it's the car's there for multiple days, even though you told the customer, you know, it's dropped off on Monday, this is gonna— we'll have it ready for you on Friday. Yeah, they're still thinking about it Wednesday. They're wondering, are we still on, on target for this? This is a great time to use texting, but sure, leaning too much on texting.

Talk about that for a minute. I've experienced that. Oh yes, on the sale. On the update. I never hear the voice of the advisor at all when I've brought my car to a shop and it's just, you know what I mean? Here's this, here's this, here's this, here's this. Yeah. Texting is like the least communication you can possibly do. If you think about communication as a whole, like it's 80% visual.

Yeah. Well, texting is just, oh, just got a text. How many times have you misread a text? Oh yeah. Especially from your wife. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I didn't mean it like that. Correct. But it's all caps, Berg. Yeah. Why were you yelling at me? I wasn't, I was just excited. You were yelling, I saw it. I was excited. Well, I mean.

It's different. They send you a quote over a text and. Oh yeah. I'm in this industry and some of those quotes, I really, I need some help. And I don't even, I can't even, I can't make heads or tail of this. And I'm in the industry. Right. And I'm trying to read through it and decipher it. Yeah, you don't even know. Yeah.

So keeping those, shoot a text with the quote, call immediately. Hey, I just sent you a quote. Do you have any questions? Absolutely. Maybe a text here and there to update. Now, if you prepared me as a service advisor, hey, by the way, I'm going to send you a text. It's going to read like this. Here's how it's going to flow. This is what it's going to look like.

I need you to look at it first. You might be confused, but I need you to call me as soon as you get that and I'll walk you through it. Sure. Yeah, that's completely different. Yeah, it's so communication, but managing expectations. Yeah, those are in my book, those are the top two. Yeah, I love it. If you can do those two well, you, you are on your way to being a great service advisor.

Yeah, managing expectations is not handled well in shops. It's really hard. We just don't hear it. Yeah, I mean, we get calls all the time, Sales Fix calls are uploaded, and even calls for, um, our certification. I want them to send their best stuff in. It's clearly not their best work. Oh my goodness. That they're sending in. I hope maybe it is their best work.

I don't know. But it just doesn't sound good, right? It's not good conversation. It's not clear. Yeah. You know, there's no advocation for the customer. It's, it's order taking. Yeah. It's reading what's on an RO to a customer and checking the yeses and nos. So that kind of brings us to maybe a third point, which is preparedness. Yes. Talk to me about an advisor prepared because like you're managing a million things.

Like the parts just went wrong on this car. That car went south. There's another thing. I've got to call Mrs. Smith back. Yes. You're managing a ton of things. Like, how do you get prepared in the moment? You've got an $8,000 invoice that gets put in your lap as a service advisor. What does that preparedness look like? Processes for sure. You have to have processes, but being less reactionary and more proactive.

With everything. So a lot of wasted time is on taking incoming calls all the time because they're not doing the outgoing calls. And I know— So hold on. Go ahead. For everybody listening out there, that means if you're not doing the updates properly— Correct. —you're going to have an influx of inbound calls, which puts you on a defense in a reactionary state.

Which takes more time. So think about it. You take an incoming call, you don't know who it is, you gotta bring up the customer's information. Hold on just a sec, Mr. Jones, let me look, let me bring up your ticket. Okay, this, you know, maybe it's not your customer, it's the other service advisor's customer. Let me talk to Berg and get some information for you, whatever.

There's a lot of wasted time before you get to the whole reason why maybe they called was what's going on with my car. Yeah. When on the front end, if it's like, okay, at this time, I'm gonna call these 3 customers. 90% of the time you're gonna get a voicemail. You're gonna leave a simple voicemail script. Okay. Just giving you an update on your car.

It's still in process. You know, we're still on track to have that done by the end of the day for you. I will give you a call when it's ready to go. Sure. That's it. That took 10 seconds. Sure. Would you also send a text message? Sure. In today's— If you're taking, send a text, make a call. Perfect. Calls are great. You know, oftentimes that's a great for— send a woof, the fax, the text, the email, the letter, the— oh, woof.

We need to cut to the clip of The Office right here. But yes, that's— to get to your point, you have so much going on as a service advisor. Let's say you got 20 cars in the shop at one time that you handle. 4 of them are drop-offs that you've got to get checked in. Another 4 are we have to get parts ordered for them.

Another 4 are in process, and some of those may be snowballing into other issues that you've got to call the customer and sell more work to. Yeah. And some of those might be being wrapped up. We've got to get the QC done and call the customer and let them know it's ready to go. So you're thinking as an advisor, I've got all of these cars at different levels and different sections of the process.

Yeah. I've got to keep straight up here. You got to make that time and knock these things out and have a process. So that's number one in preparedness. Yes. There's so many service advisors that rush into selling an $8,000 ticket or $4,000 ticket. And you're not really selling. I don't really like that word. You're educating. You're guiding. You're guiding them on what the vehicle needs.

There's a whole reset process for that. Oh, for sure. Because you've got all these other things that you're managing and juggling. Talk to me about that reset process. Yeah. So you've got an $8,000 ticket. But what happens most often, even $3,000, $1,000, you're in the middle of all those things. So what happens is you're picking up the phone, you're dialing the customer's number.

Is that— they even do that anymore? This is very 1987. You call the customer, the phone is ringing while you're bringing up the RO and reading about Oh, so you hadn't even reviewed it. You haven't even reviewed it. And we hear this in the calls. Sure. I mean, when they upload these calls, we can hear it. Oh my goodness. Hey, Mr. Jones, I'm just going over your RO here.

Bup, bup, bup. Make all those noises. They do it so often. Let's see. And then we're going to go online. Yeah, the technician said that. I'm not sure. Yep. They're reading technician notes. The technician says that, blah, blah, blah. So before you do that, just bring up the RO, get yourself situated with, okay, Mr. Jones came in, we talked about his car.

He loves this car. Here are the things going on with his car. Here are my options. What's some pushback that he might give to me? I need to prepare for that. Okay, now I'm going to call. I'm going to pick up the phone. I'm going to call and I'm ready to go right out of the gate. Do you feel like an advisor should know what the customer is willing to do before they call the customer?

Yeah. For sure. Like if you're a great service advisor, this is a big deal. Yeah. If you don't know on that, you're about to dial and go over that ticket. If you don't know, you should do a pre-call to that call to find out where, what is, what is the appetite to keep this car for a long time if it needs a lot of this work?

Yeah. I mean, if you, you should have done that on the check-in process. On the check-in, I was going to say, yeah, check-in, there's a lot of— All of that should have processed through there. Correct questions that you ask. And if you don't know what the appetite or where the customer's going to go with what the journey is with this car. Yeah, you should make that call first before bringing in the estimate and prices.

Yeah, for sure. Very quickly. I would not bring those questions up before you're about to deliver the news of what the car needs. Oh, 100%. Because it's— because, I mean, think about what that sounds like. Yeah. Hey, Mr. Rosenberger, um, how much do you like this car? Yeah, before, you know, don't do that. What are your— what are your future plans with this car?

Because I've got a list You know what I mean? So yes, very quickly after the car's checked in, it's kind of like there's some questions I should ask the customer. Mr. Jones, what are your plans for this car? Just while we're doing this inspection. That's great. On the car, just want to know what are your future plans for the car? How long are you wanting to keep this car?

And just lead that customer. Oftentimes customers will say, I want to drive it till the wheels fall off. I love this thing. Most people, when they buy a car, they picked a car because they like the car. We treat customers like most of them absolutely despise buys the vehicle and they're ready to sell it at a moment's notice, right? Yeah. So, uh, that— and that's not the case.

No, I mean, you like your car, right? They brought the car to you to fix, for sure. They didn't bring it to the dealer to trade in. That's right. But they revert to that, uh, I'm just gonna sell it. And then you're working on it again in 6 months, 9 months, 10 months, 10 years later, because that is their response. Yes. To them not trusting you.

100%. Yeah, that is big. That is massive. It is just a deflection mechanism to go, "I don't know that I trust you, guy." "I'm gonna do some more research." The go-to responses are, "I'm gonna sell it." "I need to talk to my wife." "I need to talk to my husband." Most often they don't. But you should have a response for that. "I can give your husband a call right now.

I can give your wife a call right now." Or just blatant, I'm not going to do that today. In a great way. Just a pro tip here to advert that is on the initial, like, hey, I'm going to send you the inspection. Do you also want me to send it to your spouse? Yeah. And if they say no, no, no, just send it to me, then I know they're the decision maker.

Correct. And they don't need to talk to the spouse. Correct. Correct. So just a little pro tip there. Also, oftentimes they'll say, oh, that's just too much money. Yeah. And oftentimes that is not the case. Yeah. That is, it could be the case for sure, but oftentimes it's not the case. It's— 90% of the time, I think we've discovered it's not the case.

It's a response because they don't trust you. The too much money is actually you didn't do your job in the beginning. Yes. I think. Yeah. If they're saying it's too much money, there's something that you didn't tee up. And there's nothing you can do necessarily to overcome that yourself. Correct. Now you need to hand that ticket to the manager and go, hey, they told me it was too much money.

Well, now the manager has to go, where did we lose the trust factor for them to say no? Yes. And so somebody else needs to take a second or third swing at that because the money part is actually about the trust part. It is. There isn't a magical script that always works with people and hypnotizes them to accept it. It's honestly just you connecting with a customer.

That's it. They just need to lower their guard and say, I trust you. Yeah. You know, I trust what you're telling me. It might get to a point where it's like, gosh, I can't do all that. You know, it's not in my budget. Well, let's, let's figure out what's, what is in your budget. Absolutely. Let's get you a path to getting this taken care of because we want, we want to get you in your car longer.

We want you to drive your car for a longer period of time, more miles to your car. Cars are not investments. You are investing in miles. That's right. So, Burke, tell me about when you became a service advisor. You didn't get that position as a technician. Yeah. So what was your training like? Well, I was paid $29,000 a year. Hey, that's a little less than me, but not much.

And there was no onboarding process. There was no training. It was literally, hey, here's the phone, here's our phone number, here's the parts suppliers. Good luck. Wow. Yeah. And I sat next to somebody that was like in the shop for 15 years. So he'd been there for a long time. All the customers knew him. He would give away so much money. It was ridiculous.

That's why they loved him. 100% why they loved him. But it was 4 years before I got training. 4 years, and I begged for it. Like, I wanted the training. And I— shop owners, train your people. Oh, yeah. Train your— send your people to training. The second that I got training, all of these concepts that we've talked about today, all these things, they're so fundamental from taking a store from $500,000 to $5 million.

For sure. Like, the things that I learned in just the first training The pause effect, the building the relationship in the beginning. What is the plan with your vehicle? There were so many fundamental things that I learned in one day of training. The ARO jumped like $100 the next month. Training is so crucial to the business because it's all of these little things.

We've probably given, what, 10 or 15 little pro tips on this call? For sure. Just a little bit. But imagine immersing somebody, a service advisor, in that training. Inconsistent. Yeah, we did same experience. I sat on the front counter, sit next to her, just do what she does. And it was terrible. I tried to quit 3 months in and was talked back into hanging in there.

Luckily, the owner recognized that we've let you down, we need to support you. And service advisors want that, right? Absolutely. Because when customers are upset about what's going on, it's all projected onto the service advisor. Yes. And you're taking that on. Yeah. But what I learned was regular training was good for me. It, it helped support me. It helped ramp up my performance as far as, you know, the metrics, hitting the metrics, increasing my ARO.

I mean, we were doing regular training once a month. Okay. But we did learn that, hey, after that fire hose of training on a 4-hour training after hours— sure— was fantastic. And we grab some things like drinking from a fire hose, right? You get what you need. Yeah. And the rest just hits the ground. Yeah. But between those two trainings, you revert to old habits, right?

Every time. And so many shop owners don't want to invest in training and they want to send their advisors to a weekend retreat or something. Sure. To get just all this information crammed into their head. Right. When you think about it, they get the most impact on a weekend and like that, they see that impact the next week. Yes. It just trails off so fast.

It does. They're like, I need to send them back to another weekend. Absolutely. But if they just maintain that level of training every week in little bits, little bits, little chunks, it's little tips every single week. So let's do some math. Let's do the fun stuff. Oh, let's do some math. Calculator time. Uh-oh. Guy's bringing out the calculator. So if you are a service advisor, even if you feel like your advisor is good enough, right?

They've got a good ARO. Sure. With training, with focusing on the things that they need to be focusing on, even if it's things that, you know, as an advisor, like you say, I know this stuff. Like we get this all the time. I know this stuff. But then we hear their phone calls and we hear that they're not doing the things right.

So if they can focus on it and be always aware of the things that they should be always working on, sure, you are going to increase your ARO. Love it. So let's do a little fun math, right? Sure. Did you know the average advisor handles 2 to 300 cars a month. Okay. Google it, 2 to 300 cars a month. So let's say if you increase your ARO by $100, that's an oil change nowadays, right?

Sure. Coupon oil change I got at Toyota was $94. Okay. A few weeks ago. So $100, that's nothing. $100 times, let's go the low end, 200 cars. That's a $20,000 increase in that month. $20,000 with just a little bit of training. Just, just a little bit of training. If you can sell one more thing, right? And selling one more thing, not because you're— you have this velvet tongue and you are great at talking people into things.

It's, I've built a rapport, I have great, uh, workflow practices, I, I, I, I have good scripts in my head that I naturally use. All the things that go into training. I understand profitability. I build profitable tickets, right? You may be great at communicating, but you suck at building a profitable ticket. You don't understand gross profit, dollar per hour, or whatever. Now you understand those things.

You put all these things together and your ARO goes up. Even if as an owner, it's like, oh, they're doing good enough. Good enough is not good enough. It shouldn't be good enough. And I wouldn't want— my advisors in my shop to feel like they're good enough. I want them to be hungry for more. Absolutely. Right? It's the art of service advising.

It is. And you constantly work on yourself and you constantly improve you. Yeah. All the time. And I would argue that your advisors should want to train. If they don't, that's a sign of somebody punching a clock versus actually wanting to do this as a career. So if they're paid commission, Sure. Let's put that— put those numbers in there. Sure. Now I just increased what I sold this month by $20,000.

100%. Minimum, right? What did I do for the year? 20,000 times 12, $240,000. Sure. Do the math right. Quarter of $1 million more by one advisor increasing their arrow by $100. Sure. Not doing any more work. Just polishing some skills. Polishing the skills. Yeah. Just dialing things in. Guy, why do you think that shop owners don't focus on training as much as they should?

I feel like they look at that cost of training. So let's say training is $600 a month to train your people. Sure. They look at that as they don't see the immediate return on that. Sure. And so we did a little bit of math there. Yep. Let's say you're spending that $600 a month. I think they get panicky. I think they look at the bills that they're paying.

I think they look at their P&L and they look at where they can cut. I think they have advisors who maybe are not taking the training seriously. That, that right there. And they feel like they're wasting money. And they compare the money that they're spending and then they look at Johnny over in the corner going, sorry if your name's Johnny. Yes. Not picking on you.

We love you, Johnny. But Johnny's over there in the corner going, I don't want to do this. Or just punching the buttons, clicking through the videos and not applying anything. Because again, he's just doing this to punch a clock, not a career. Correct. And I'll tell you this, when I've— and none of this is rocket science, right? I've sat with many a shop owner and talked about this engagement.

How do I get my service advisors engaged? And I always ask this question, tell me this, has your advisor been with you a long time? Have they been in the industry a long time? If yes, they often say, I know this stuff. Sure. I don't need training, boss. Sure. Right. And that's just not true. Right. Honestly, it's managing the expectations on the interview of the owner initially.

Correct. Going, hey, how responsive are you to training? Like, I have a training program. Do you want to be trained on a weekly basis? That's a great indicator of if you're hiring a good person. Right? Absolutely. But they don't even talk about that in the interview process. Like, if I'm going to go work for somebody, I want to be poured into. I want to be made better.

For sure. And so if you have a training program, oh yeah, sign me up. And if you've got someone who doesn't need it, say they don't need it, that's a good indicator of— Been to a lot of training. Red flag. Like it's a, you know, I feel like most of the training I've already mastered a lot of it. Like, hold on. But most shops already have people on the front counter, right?

Sure. So now the way that person responds to being trained is an indicator of do I invest in this person? Or do I move on and get somebody? Now I can have that interview process. If this person is not open to training, I can interview someone and start the conversation out with, I would love to pour into you in regular training. Is that something that you're interested in?

Sure. When I talk to shop owners about this and I talk to them about, you know, how they delivered the training, oftentimes they want the easy button. They want, I just want to buy the training and give it to them and say, do it on your downtime, and then walk away and do something else. Sure. It doesn't work. It don't. So don't even try it, right?

Absolutely. So if you, number one, have to hold your people accountable. Yeah. And there is no training company out there that will do that for you. 'Cause at the end of the day, accountability looks like the person who hired, who does the hiring and firing. That's the accountability piece. Sure. The manager, the owner, that's the accountability piece. 100%. A training company can only support that.

Yeah, right. That's it. And just provide the tools. Provide the tools. You've got to be the one reaching into the drawer, pulling the tool out, and actually provide visibility. Yeah, that's the extent of it. Visibility to, are my people doing the training or not? Sure. And then at the end of the day, that is the owner or the manager's responsibility to hold them accountable to what the expectations are.

The other question that advisors have is, I don't— when am I— I don't have time to do this. And that's as a result of Hey, I bought you training, do it on your downtime. Sure. There is no downtime, right? As a service advisor. Absolutely. You have to make time for it. You have to make space for it. Has to be important enough to you.

Yep. You have to tell them, I've created space. Here's the time you're going to do it. Mornings are great. I love mornings. If you open at 7, come in at 6:30. If you open at 8, come in at 7:30. Sure. Watch one training video and then go about your day. If you're doing that every day, little bits, Oh, sure. We treat our advisors like they are computers.

If I just sit Berg in a chair and tape his eyes open and then put, put a screen in front of him and play all this stuff, he's going to get it and then he's going to perform forever. And I don't need training anymore and I can cancel the training and he's just going to perform. Is that reality? And this is why I say it's not rocket science.

Most owners are like, this makes complete sense. It's kind of a, well, yeah, duh. But that's how they treat it, right? That's how they treat it. So if you treat it like something that is just an ongoing thing that's not going to end, right? You're just always going to work on yourself. That is, that's where you're going to get rockstar advisors. Guy, what a great conversation today on advisor, you know, secrets of the advisor, if you will.

If you're out there and you're stuck at a certain revenue level, $30,000 a month, $100,000 a month, $300,000 a month. We have tools and we've created a program for you to get your advisor to that next level, to build that trust with your customers. Because at the end of the day, better communication, better preparedness, better— all the things that we talked about today, all of that matters so much to get you to that next level and your advisor to that next level.

Can you talk to us about that program that we built? Yeah, it's designed to be a program that comes alongside you. It doesn't replace you as far as accountability, but it comes alongside you and it does all the heavy lifting of content, training content. Most owners and managers are not great trainers. That's okay, you're not here to be a great trainer, but it comes alongside you, it gives you the content, it gives you the game plan, it gives you a path to success.

I love it. And yeah, that's what we're— And the average advisor in 6 months will increase their ARO by how much? Average advisor will increase their ARO by $200. That's crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. $200. Do the math on y'all. Oh yeah. 200 cars a month, $200 increase in ARO. It's $40,000 a month. $40,000 more a month on average. It's crazy. So if you're sitting there, guys, there are ways to get out of the spot that you're in.

And that's what this podcast is created to do is just give you those tips and propel your shop to that next level. 'Cause at ShopFix, we fix the owner, fix the shop.

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Um, and then I, listening to my own phone calls, and I- I'm the boss, right? I still cringe. And so you never know what's missing from those phone calls, what, what, what is standing out. You know, my team, we would not even ask for the appointment. Like, "Would you like to bring this in today?" You know- Oh ... you ask all the questions, they go through the scripts, but then we found that they were not saying, "Hey, would you like to get that done? Would you like to bring that in today or tomorrow? What works for you?" They were leaving it all to the client to say- Jimmy Lea: Mm-hmm ... " Tonnika Haynes: What's next? What's next?" Hmm. So they were answering the phone, and they were s- being very polite, but they were not closing. They didn't have a lot of words with closing. And so with inbound, I've been able to coach- You know, when you listen to yourself and you're like, "Ooh, ooh." And you can say, "Do you see what you did there?" Or even, 'cause you know, the team can listen to their own phone calls. "Oh, I see what I did there. I see where I dropped the ball." So that was, opened up a whole bunch of eyeballs around here. Well- It's like, "Oh, it's Monday, it's time to listen to phone calls." Like, "Ah." But you just increasingly get better over time. Jimmy Lea: Oh, it's so true. And, and the ability, Taneka, the ability to have calls from today- Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm ... Jimmy Lea: or from yesterday or, or even the day before. Uh, there was a time a decade ago when we would have to listen, as coaches, we would listen to calls. Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. We're trying to find a coaching call, a call that is coachable, and this might be a call from two weeks ago, three weeks ago. Mm. The advisors are going, "Dude, oh man, that's forever ago. No, man, I, I don't do that anymore. I'm not like that." But David, I, I think you kind of solved a bit of that problem with your phone services. David Boyes: Yeah, thanks. It, you know, it's, it's important to, to recognize. I think every owner I've ever talked with has a similar issue. It's... And a lot of it rev- revolves around time, right? Are, are we aware of what's actually happening- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... David Boyes: on the front line? Mm-hmm. And, uh, some of it is, uh, I wanna keep this a little bit at arm's length because I, I can tell you as an owner, I will have an emotional response when I listen to that phone call. And Taniki, you brought up a great point. For owners and managers here that are on the phone, please listen to your own calls. Yeah. Do it at least one time. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: Well, twice. Have to Tonnika Haynes: bite the bullet. Just do it. David Boyes: Yeah. Just do it. And, Tonnika Haynes: and, and be ready. Just like- ... just like, "Oh, that is me." Yeah, that is you. David Boyes: Do it- Yeah do it twice because the first time that you listen to a call, uh, it's gonna just be weird, right? So listening to myself on recordings is always weird, but there's this heavy lift of time, right? Am, am I aware of what's actually happening on the front line, and how are we interacting with customers? And then do I have, do I have a mechanism to understand what's my expectation? As an owner, um, you know, it, it's important to establish that expectation. Maybe you're working with a call coach, maybe you've been in trainings yourself. It's, it's ideal to have a method by which you're going to measure your call handlers. And, um, you know, we wanna be professional. We want to build confidence and, and build rapport with these customers. It doesn't have to be fast, but typically- Mm-hmm ... you know, an incoming call from a customer is likely an appointment setting call or a status call. We're gonna set that status call, uh, bucket aside for a second 'cause we wanna be in front of, uh, status calls instead of having customers call us. But if you're listening to these and you have that rhythm around it, uh, we understand how these small habits can build on one another. Am I, am I smiling when I answer the phone? There's something physically that hap- When I, when I physically smile, there's something that is noticeable in the way that I'm communicating. And, uh, am I, am I clear? So what are the expectations? You know, uh, if you watch your advisors, I have, uh, my little cordless handset here. If they tuck their phone in like this, and, and you know, they're, they're trying to multitask Listen to those calls because likely it's very, very difficult to hear on the other side of this. So listening to calls, uh, helps us understand how, you know, how we conduct ourselves, how we conduct business, how am I representing the business that I, you know, that I'm working at as a professional. But also, what is the customer hearing and what is the customer's experience? So, um, these are, uh, important points, and it starts by listening. Jimmy, you brought up a, um, an important aspect here. Historically, we would listen to call after call after call after call to try to find something I can use to coach. So Taneka, you might do this. You've got a call recording system. It doesn't do much but just record those calls, and now I have to go through this, this process to identify a coachable opportunity. And this is now I think where we can move effectively into technology, right? We all hear so much about AI today, and what's really nice about, uh, having, you know, a, a phone system that records is now you have an asset, and you can use that asset to do something more with it. And we can use AI to help that heavy lift of time and, you know, take 90% of the time requirement off. So instead of having to spend 30 minutes, I might have to spend two or three minutes to take that call, sit down with my service advisor, go through this, and have a meaningful, constructive conversation about the things that work well. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. I, I love, David, that your software makes it so easy to find these coachable calls so much faster. A- and Taneka, that's just gotta be a lifesaver for you as well, coaching your service advisors. Tonnika Haynes: It is. I remember, um, speaking with a friend, fellow shop owner, and he's like, "I need you to set aside a time." And so what I did is on my calendar, on Wednesday, that's the day that I sit down and we go over phone calls. And so, you know, you got the dashboard, and that dashboard will say, "This is a coachable call. This is a coachable call." And it is a habit for me as the owner/manager, um, to make sure that I'm staying on top of it all the time because we'll slip into old habits, right? So me listening to the calls and bringing the service advisor or, um, or bring Jay in and say, "Hey, let's listen to this. Let's see how we can get better." You know, you continuously improve on it, and you don't slide back into old habits. Because I'm not on the phone as much anymore. If I have to answer the phone, I know personally, and everything's at stake for me, I slide back into old habits. So we all are capable of it, and so having that dashboard in front of us and said, "Hey, this is a call you need to look at," the service advisor or the person answering the phone does not feel like they're being picked on, but they're being improved upon. So, "Look, I'm just lifting you up. This is what we can do. Do you see how we can make this better?" And it's a we, it's a us, it's coachable, it's there, it's real, and, um, I really enjoy th- that part of the dashboard. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love that. How often, Taneka, do you send, "This is a really good call"? This is a really good call. I Tonnika Haynes: like a really good call How often do you send that to the team? You know what? Yeah. I probably should do that more. But when I see a good call, I, I, I like to share it. And when I get a good review, like I l- literally just got a good review based off of a bad situation that we were able to turn around with proper communication, and the customer l- literally said, he's like, "The communication... The problem was still there," he said, "but the way they handled it and the communication was key." So he was not satisfied when he left, but the way that we dealt with it afterwards, and that recording of how we guided him through the process, and how we, you know, we apologized, we came up with a plan, apologized again, and kept it moving, and that was a great coachable call. It's like, this is how you handle a bad situation. Look how we won here. So yeah, those are just as important as the, as the losses, as the bad calls. "Hey, this is a good call. G- this is a good call." That balance is super important. Yeah, it balances it. Yeah. And then, you know, it's like, okay, I did that right. Even when that client is a client that does not belong to you, and you can hear them tell the customer, it's like, "Hey, you know what? Appreciate your call, but this isn't the place for you." And that's not the word for word, but, "Hey, you handled that good. Thank you for saving us from a nightmare." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Amen. Share it with your team. So you gotta share the wins and the, the misses. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. And, and, uh, for a lot of people, I think they struggle in the creative. So if they can hear it, that it's already been done, they can duplicate. Sure. They can mimic. They can do the same thing over and over and over again. So the more we send these beautiful calls, "Oh my gosh, you guys did so well on this phone call. I, I love this part, this part, and this part," they're able to duplicate that, and they'll do it over and over and over again. And then, then you're- The mistakes that are being made become much less because you're showing, you're, uh, mirroring to them these are the really good calls that we wanna hear. Tonnika Haynes: And, and sharing that when you're going over a call, you got the good call here, we can work on this call, but this is another good call. You know, we talk about giving that sandwich. Yeah. And so that's another opportunity you can give that good sandwich. So when it's time to come in on Wednesdays and listen to your phone calls, you're like, "Ooh, I know I got one coming and I think I know which one it is." And then you're like, "Yeah, but you got this one too, so you won here, and, uh, we missed on this one, but next time it's not happening." Right? Right. So it's, you know, it's all in coaching. Jimmy Lea: Oh, David Boyes: it's so true. You just said something that's super important, and, uh, ooh, I think I know which one this is. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: Um, there, there's a lot to unpack there. I, I, I love the, the good with the bad. We'll talk about that more too, but, um, creating the awareness. So consistency wins, and, um, I'll say it again, be consistent with the process because consistency wins. And when you have that rhythm where it's familiar and it's expected, we're gonna sit down and we're gonna listen to calls, we're gonna go through this, identify the opportunities, um, it's not good and bad calls, it's, you know, it, it, uh, we call them top calls or champion calls and coachable calls. So a coachable call isn't inherently bad. Maybe we even got an appointment. Tonnika Haynes: Mm. David Boyes: Right? But there's, there's opportunities. So, uh, when we have that rhythm and it's expected, what's really important about what you just said is the awareness. So when I go to pick up that phone, is this the call that Tanika's gonna be talking with me about tomorrow or, you know, Wednesday, whatever our rhythm is? It, it will begin to create that moment of pause that as an a- an advisor when I'm picking up that phone, I can take that breath. Yeah. I can, I can, uh, let that, uh, you know, that technician that just blew me up Tonnika Haynes: Let 'em David Boyes: go. I can let that slide off. I can shake that off. Yeah. And I can focus for a moment to make sure that that customer knows right at this moment they are absolutely the most important person to me right now. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: So that's an important message to convey over the phone, our, uh, the, you know, the way that we speak, the words that we use, my en- excitement and enthusiasm about being on that call all comes through. So as we get through this rhythm and we develop the consistency and it becomes normal, now I've got that awareness on my team that, hey, this next call I'm taking, I'm gonna have the moment of pause to focus because this might be the next one that, that we're reviewing. I want this to be a positive call that, that Tanika's coming to me and saying, "You did really well on this one. Let's continue to develop this," and, you know, replicate the things that are working well. Instead of, "Hey, there's some opportunity here. You know, you didn't ask for the appointment. You were, you know, pricing over the phone. You said 'no'." No comes out in a lot of ways, doesn't it, Tanika? Where- Tonnika Haynes: Oh, yeah ... we, David Boyes: we might be telling somebody, uh, "You know, I'm really busy right", or, or, or "W- we, we're really busy right now, I can't get you in until Friday." Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: That's, that's, we might as well just say, "No, I can't help you." Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. You, that's, that's all they heard was the no. Um, even if you give... And, uh, everybody knows that I'm, I'm big on nos. Like, I can give you a no where there's some healthy nos, but then there's some nos and you have the customer saying, "Hey, um, m- my brakes are making the noise and it just started." And he's like, "Oh, no, I can't see you till Friday." He's like, "Yeah, but I'm gonna die before Friday. I wanna see somebody now." Um, so you don't, you have to learn how to coach them and say, "Yes, so bring that in. Let's take a look at what you've got, and then we'll come up with a plan." You didn't promise that it was gonna be today or tomorrow, but you said, "Bring it in. I'm worried about your safety. Let's see what you've got." Yeah. "Let's see if you should really be concerned about that check engine light. It might be a EVAP code." They don't know that, "But go ahead and bring them in." So and then you, like you said, the cadence in it. This, I'm not gonna make you any promises over the phone, and I would literally say that. "Hey, I don't wanna disappoint you by making a promise that I can't keep. So don't- Yeah ... don't make me, don't put me in that hole. But I need you to go ahead and bring that in to me as soon as you can. Um, and let's scan it. Let's see what you've got, and let's see if you should really be worried, if you can make that trip or we need to bring you in right away. We will help you come up with a plan." So just that solid no. "No, I'll see you Friday." Jimmy Lea: He, " Tonnika Haynes: Meh. No you won't." Yeah. Like, so that's support. That's Jimmy Lea: my- David Boyes: It, it becomes very collaborative in what you just said. Hey, let, let's make this about you, let's make this about your safety and your confidence to drive that vehicle. Maybe you gotta get across town and your commute is 30 minutes. Let's make sure that your vehicle is safe, and then once you're here and we make sure you're safe, let's talk about, uh, when we're gonna have that on the schedule. We'll get that vehicle in Tonnika Haynes: and prepared. Yeah. What are the next steps? Yeah. So let's go ahead and get- let's get your nerves calm- Mm-hmm ... and then let's come up with the next step. Let's come up with a plan. Us, us, us, we, we, we. So Jimmy Lea: yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love it. I love it. And, uh, you talk about s- building a solid foundation for this, the solid foundation for their skills so that the, the ongoing training you're doing really builds on that foundation. Uh, we've got a three-day service advisor with the institute. We're gonna give a shout-out to the institute here right now. So everybody grab out your smartphones, scan the QR code if your service advisor needs a solid foundation. Thank you, David. If you need a solid foundation- Registered now ... and you need to start with... Yeah, get registered. I know you've been to a couple of these, David, 'cause- I have you've talked about all the skills here just really, really well. If your service advisor needs that and you need to go from zero to hero very quickly, this is an intensive that you wanna send your service advisor to, and it will be at headquarters in Ogden, Utah. Fly right into Salt Lake, and, uh, and we got you set up there in Ogden. So, yes, David Boyes: scan that. It's a beautiful drive up from the airport. This class is, uh, it, it, it will help establish the, the fundamentals to build on. Yeah. So you come here, it's, you know, it's boot camp, right? We're, we're going to make sure that we're establishing the expectation and give you something to build on as the owner. Send your service advisors in here. Uh, they'll get those fundamentals, and then you'll have, you know, these, these mechanisms, uh, to improve them over time. I promise you it'll be a, a real game changer for your frontline. Tonnika Haynes: Well, you know what? Beautiful. I wanna piggyback on that. Um, and I wasn't coached to saying this. If they've already been, send them again. Jimmy Lea: There you go. Mm. Tonnika Haynes: Send them again, because here's the thing that I know, and I'm just gonna make it simple. I want you to think about your favorite movie. Like when, when I was in the 20s, for me it was Friday, the movie Friday. And then we watched that movie every Friday after work with the crew that I worked with, and it was just the most ignorant movie and the best movie for my generation. Each time I watched that movie, I would see a different thing. So I want you to think about your favorite movie and, or v- your favorite comedy. Each time you'd watch it, you would pick up something else. So it was like, "Oh, I didn't see that that last time." So even when it comes to training, "Hey, I did this three-day class and I did it a year ago. I grew." Jimmy Lea: Do it again. Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Do it again. Do it again. You, you're never too mu- uh, there's never too much coaching. So just do it again and you'll see it from a different angle. I just wanted to say that. Yeah, 'cause, um, there's been some classes that I, I take, and not just this one, but other classes, like, let me take that class again. Yeah. And you're like, "Aha. I didn't remember that from last time." Yeah. I didn't implement that from last time, 'cause we, you guys tell us, and coaches will tell you, "Just go and implement one thing. One thing." I mean, watch those changes, and then the next time you take the class, let's do one more thing, maybe two, and get, get a little bit better. Right. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. So speaking of training, ASTA, A-S-T-A, is coming up here real soon, Taneka. Real Tonnika Haynes: soon. We're less than 30 Jimmy Lea: days out. Let's give them a shout-out. Tonnika Haynes: Shout out to ASTA. Those are the people, not the people that made me, but it's my just one, my just one thing that I took away from there each time has helped build me to where I am. And I am, I cannot say I would not be where I was without them. But I would not be where I was, where I am without them. From those, those people that I met, the village that I met, meeting you, meeting my first coach, just meeting my, my industry brothers and sisters that I can call on at any time when I'm about to flip out, or when I have a win. 'Cause you know as owners and when, when you're a little higher, you can't share your wins with everybody without some jealousy. True. Yeah. So when you have a win and you have that community to call on. Mm-hmm. So yeah, ASTA is the place to be, September 24th to 26th, right here in Raleigh, North Carolina. So I hope somebody shows up. And, uh, I wanna meet some... Well, I know Jim. I'll be there. Jimmy will be there. You will not miss him. David Boyes: He'll have the jacket. Tonnika Haynes: He will have plenty of jackets on. It is a fun atmosphere, lots of community, lots of learning and growing. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna have a jacket war, so anybody who wants to play. David, you're bringing your jacket, so David Boyes: who wore Jimmy Lea: it best? Yes. Yeah. David Boyes: Yeah. I, I wanted to make sure that we were gonna f- uh, be able to carve out some time to do the who wore it best. Tonnika Haynes: Oh, David Boyes: always. I think, so B- Benji will be involved. Brett will probably be involved, right? Mm-hmm. And, uh, you, you two- Mike Allen ... Mike, okay, Mike, yep. Tonnika Haynes: I, I, I feel like we should have a girls version of this, 'cause you know, if the women got involved- Jimmy Lea: We always lose Tonnika Haynes: I mean, we would just throw you guys under the bus. Jimmy Lea: It's true. We tried that, Tanika, and you swept it. Yeah. You swept it. There, there was no- Tonnika Haynes: I don't wanna do that to you guys ... competing with Jimmy Lea: Tanika. Tonnika Haynes: I don't wanna do... Yeah, I don't wanna do that to you, so we'll, we'll figure it out. Maybe I'll make a f- couple phone calls and text messages and see what's up. David Boyes: Yeah. Speaking of phone calls. Speaking of phone calls. Tonnika Haynes: Throw that back in. David Boyes: I have a question for you. Yeah. Yeah. That's, hey, I couldn't have asked for a better softball there, but that's great. Um- ... thinking, thinking about the coaching process, you know, I, I, I had mentioned before it can seem a little uncomfortable, even as an owner. You know, listen to two calls, because that first one, you're gonna be so- Mm-hmm ... consumed by how weird I sound on the phone, right? So, but when you, when you started this with your team, what, how was it received? What were some of the, the challenges, uh, do, you know, h- what feedback did you get about listening to calls and going through the analysis? Tonnika Haynes: So I wanna say that when I first did it in, in coaching, so in a group setting, and you're listening to your team, so they call in, they have to do a call and they'll record a call. And so it's like, "Oh, well this time she did this, and this is the excuse." You wanna come up with excuses. You wanna defend- Right yourself. I wanna defend my shop. And so that service advisor's gonna wanna defend him or herself. Like, "Oh, well, you know, that customer and this was that." I was like, "No." So you get past that, and it's like, okay, like I said, you give the sandwich. Okay, so this is a great call. You tell me what you could have done, could have done better in this call. Right. 'Cause I don't wanna be in... 'Cause if you go into attack mode and say, "Oh, you should do this better, and you didn't follow the script, and you, you, you, you, you," you're gonna get somebody that's gonna put up a guard and be like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. I did my best." So I'll say, "I know you did your best on this, this one call, and you did a great job on this call. What happened, brother?" Balls in your court. Tell me how you can improve on this. Mm. What do you need from me to help you improve here? Was there a distraction? What was, what was the problem? So I kinda feel like I can teach them to self-coach. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Tonnika Haynes: I'm, I'ma give you a whole toolbox. You've got this toolbox. You know what a good call to- sounds like. Like, you also have a mirror. There's a mirror right there. Look at yourself. You've got reminders. I've got sticky note reminders on each, each person saying, "Don't forget to ask for the sale." What happened? "Oh, man, I was distracted, I sh- I should've..." Yep, you should've put the mouse down. You should've put the mouse down. So usually people will first get defensive, same. Mm-hmm. Um, then the defense mechanism starts to come down. Say, "All right, okay, so how do we fix this so next time I cannot find a bad phone call?" Jimmy Lea: Bingo. David Boyes: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: I love it. It, yeah. I love that you have a mirror there and you have sticky notes there helping as well, Taneka. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. That's, that's so good. ' Tonnika Haynes: Cause we forget. And- And it's okay- Oh, we do ... 'cause we get busy. But the Jimmy Lea: more Tonnika Haynes: we work on it- And I, Jimmy Lea: I, you... I'm certain that you guys have heard this before, that a fake smile is better than a real frown. Tonnika Haynes: Yes. David Boyes: Yep. Tonnika Haynes: Yes. And I'm really good at that. And so I've learned that because I've been doing it a very long time, so people know that I can really make you... I could, like, really fuss you out, and I would sound so sweet 'cause I'm smiling at you the whole time. "Well, you know what, Jamie? I think that was the stupidest thing you've ever said." Jimmy Lea: And if you do it with a smile, you can Tonnika Haynes: get away with it. And you're doing it with a smile and, and when you're shaking your head. So that smile makes a difference. And when I'm- It does ... picking up the phone out of an emergency, if they are busy up front and I'll see that phone ringing, and I pick it up and I'm not ready personally, I'm not ready to answer that phone, and it's a client that knows me, and I'm not smiling, I will get a, "Hey, Taneka, what's wrong?" You Jimmy Lea: okay? 'Cause Tonnika Haynes: they, "You okay?" And I'll say, "Oh, I'm sorry. I was distracted." 'Cause that's usually what happens, you're distracted, or that service, that, um, technician just rubbed you the wrong way or something's happened at home. So but once you put that smile on- You just fake it till you make it. And now you, I usually don't like to say that, but sometimes you do have to fake it till you make it. Like, yeah, absolutely. And use those words of, those positive words. Absolutely. Let's look into that for you. Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Sure. I love it. Love it. We talk about the phone call and how much it's worth. Uh, Bimmer PhD Motorsports is saying, "Can we dig into that a little bit?" How much does it cost to get that phone to ring? How much does it cost to acquire a new customer? You talk about the mindset and you talk about the service advisor- Mm-hmm ... and the smile that's needed to be there, fake or real. How much is that phone call worth, Tanika? Have you analyzed any of that in your shop? Tonnika Haynes: So that was actually a, um, something we did in the 20 group with my coach Jen. We went through that and we calculated how much it costs to sh- get that phone to ring. And I really wish I was prepared and I had that number for you. But once you realize that number, share it with your team. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: And then, uh, the institute probably has, um, a blueprint on how to figure that out. So you're looking at how much your website is, your Go- Google ads, any form of marketing that you have out there, down to the phone bill. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: How much does it cost to make that phone ring? And once you see it as the owner, you're gonna be like, "Whoa." And you share that with the team. Like, every time that phone rings, it costs me this. And then also think about your ARO. Jimmy Lea: Mm-hmm. Bingo. Tonnika Haynes: And every time- Yep, yep ... we do not get a y- yes, and we don't get that client through the door, we lost $850. Potential $850, potential $1,100. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Tonnika Haynes: So once we start thinking about, you know, everything, everything's not about money. It is That Jimmy Lea: we keep score. Tonnika Haynes: It is how we keep score. Yeah. Like, you know, we, we talk about we've got the metrics on the dashboard. Numbers don't lie. People do. Your emotions will. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: It costs me $75 every time that phone rings. Mm-hmm. And when you ring it, and when you land that deal, that's a potential 850, or whatever your ARO is, or whatever- Yeah ... that's what it is. And that's, and how long does it take to get that one client to get through the door? Yeah. And also think about how long you can hold onto them as a client. How many years Jimmy Lea: are you gonna- Tonnika Haynes: What's the lifetime value of the client? What's the lifetime of that client? Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: So that smile when you answer the phone, yeah, that's worth a lot of money. Jimmy Lea: Tens of thousands of dollars. Tonnika Haynes: Tens of thousands. So go ahead and put your Vaseline on your teeth- Jimmy Lea: Mm-hmm ... Tonnika Haynes: and, and start a- smiling. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. That's an old theater trick. Yes. Are you a, are you a musical theater person? Tonnika Haynes: No, but I just know about- Where are you pulling that from? ... Vaseline on your teeth and, 'cause you get tired of smiling. You, you know, at the conference, you have this whole muscle thing. You're like... Jimmy Lea: Uh, yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Keep s- keep, just keep smiling, smiling, smiling. Jimmy Lea: That's right, David Boyes: Dorothy. Those are important numbers, uh, to know how much does it cost to get that phone to ring. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: Uh, in some cases it can be, uh, you know, several hundred dollars depending on really all of those factors around generating those phone calls, and then what that ties into when the phone does ring, um, and we don't ask for the appointment. Has that $850 or $1,100 just walked over to my competitor across town? Yeah. But it also sets the stage when we're talking about coaching and development to bring it back to what's in it for me. As a service advisor, you know, most high performing shops are incentivizing their advisors on these, you know, these GP numbers and, you know, there might be other metrics on Google reviews, maybe have spiffs for these different things. It all requires us to generate the appointments and get those vehicles in so that we can have an inspection and we can, you know, generate the, the estimate and ultimately have a sale, and then make this an amazing experience for the customer so they're gonna come back next time. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: Uh, at the very front end of the phone call, you know, it, it takes X number of dollars to make the phone ring. When that phone rings, the customer, if they're a first time caller- Uh, they're likely y- we as, as a business are likely setting the stage within that first 15 to 20 seconds for the length of our relationship. So based on those initial interactions, we're going to begin setting the stage of how well this customer visit is going to go, uh, how much that we're developing trust with this customer. Do they trust me as an advisor? Do they trust this business, that we're experts and we're gonna help them, and we're gonna do so in a, in a fair and meaningful way? And then also, uh, we're going to set that basis for a repeat customer. Jimmy Lea: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: So that, that's where we get into the, the longevity of our relationship. Interestingly enough, so much of this happens at the very first moments of that very first phone call. And when we acknowledge that as a service advisor, I'm like, "Oh, that does tie back to the paycheck I get." As a business owner, "Wow, that ties back into the stickiness of my customers." I love, you know, repeat customers. I love repeat business. So we wanna drive these skills up front. Uh, Taneka, you talked about, you know, sitting down and going through, um, some of these calls and the, the service advisor reaction. Have you really developed and, you know, share your expectations on how you'd like the, the phone answered? I'm not asking about a script. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: But like that flow, right? We don't wanna create robots. Right. What have you done at, when you, you know, train and develop your team on here's what I would like to hear from you? Tonnika Haynes: So I haven't honed that in 100%, but I, I do know that we wanna thank them for calling. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Tonnika Haynes: We wanna know how did you find out about us? Great. Is this your first time calling? How'd you hear about us? So, so we can track that, right? Yeah. Was it a repeat? Was it a neighbor? Was it a Google? How did you... Was it a postcard? How did you hear about me? Um, what can I help you with, and how soon can I get to it? Can you bring that in today or tomorrow? And, um, and smile. So I have these little things that I want them to say that's on the side- Yeah ... of their computer, and I don't want you to sit there and read and just say, "Oh, well, yes, sir, how can I help you today?" I want it to flow naturally because that's who we are as a shop. We- we're not a scripted shop. We're, we're a bunch of goofy people, actually. People. We just happen to fix cars. Um, and that's who we are. Yeah. And I want that to come through. I want you to be friendly. I want you to re- when they come in with the cat or the dog or whatever, please not a cat, but the dog. I want you to put in the notes, this is, this is that customer's name and this is what their dog's name. If they refer to their, their car, "My car's name is Pearline." If you called my car by his name, I'm not taking it nowhere else So I want you to build that relationship. And so I don't have a script and I don't have a formula yet, and maybe I should work on that. And, um, we do have like a SOP. Yeah. Probably should do a better job at that. But then what you just said made me raise my eyebrow, like, I should do better with that. But we do have some things that I'm, that are non-negotiables. David Boyes: You've got your flow there, which is great. Mm-hmm. And I think you're, you're doing better in that than, than- Yeah ... uh, some owners that, that we talk with. I encourage, I encourage everybody to have a flow, right? Yeah. We, we wanna kind of go through the conversation. I'll tell you the number one, um, deficit that I hear within the first probably 10 seconds of a phone call is asking for the customer name, right? So- Right ... "Thank you for calling ABC Automotive. How may I help you? Um, yeah, I can help you with that. My name's David. What's your name?" Jimmy Lea: Mm. David Boyes: It's so simple. Yeah. And, uh, I listen to call after call after call. I mean, these, they, they pop out because of our AI call analysis, but where we go through this whole process and we've had a 90-second call or a two-minute-long phone call, and at no point ask the customer name. Tonnika Haynes: Right. And then you assume that the name on a caller ID is their name. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Right. Tonnika Haynes: That, that's a problem, too. I know that we were doing... I was doing it as well. Yeah. I would do it as well. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: But, um, and, and with that, I had a little challenge saying, "Hey, I want to see you guys' name on the, the review." Yeah. And it really bothers me when a client calls to check on their car, and I have to, have to answer the phone, "Hey, who was your service advisor?" "Uh, I don't know." What? David Boyes: Mm. Tonnika Haynes: They need to know your name. David Boyes: Mm. Tonnika Haynes: So I had to make sure that everybody had their own business cards when the car was dropped off. "Hey, my name is Stuart. This is who you should call to check on your car. Everybody here can help you, but I'm the main person." So I think a lot of people just don't do that, and say, "Hey, well, my name's Tanika. Who am I speaking with?" Great. "Have you been here with us before?" David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Tonnika Haynes: You know, if it doesn't pop up on the caller ID, "Have you been here with us before?" Yeah. But the caller ID pop up, that's a game changer. Am I skipping ahead? Should we not go that far yet? David Boyes: No, you're fine. Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Thank you, David. Yeah, just be ready. Yeah, be ready when, when David Voigts calls Brown's Automotive, and you call and say, "Brown's Automotive. This is Tanika. Hey, David, how can I help you today?" What is that? What are you doing? You knew I was calling. You know, like- Yeah ... yeah, caller ID exists. People forget about that. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: But- They do. They do. But it, it's just extra special. Yeah. And that's what the caller ID... I know one thing I do when the customer's walking in, and if I know I have a blue Toyota Coro- Corolla coming in at 9:00. "Who is this coming in?" Yeah. "Hey, Mrs. Such-and-such. Good morning. Oh, hey." Instead of saying, "Can I help you?" Yes, you can help me. That's why I walked through the door. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. " Tonnika Haynes: Hey, M- hey, Mary David Boyes: Jane." Or, "Hang on a second. I'll be with you in a second." Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. No. David Boyes: Don't do that. Tonnika Haynes: Don't do that. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: So, um, there's a lot to be said about customer service, and there's a lot to be said about s- calling people by their name. Jimmy Lea: Amen. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: It creates familiarity. Yes. And, uh, when, when we have familiarity, we have a relationship. Mm-hmm. It's in- it's potentially implied. But people love to do business with, with the, the folks that they have a relationship with. Mm-hmm. And they're inclined... You know, this is the fun thing about consumer behavior and human behavior, is when I have a great experience, I wanna rally my friends around that too. I want to include them in the joy that I get to experience when I come see Tanika and her team. Yeah. So I'm gonna- I, I'm gonna be much more likely to tell folks about it. If I have a meh- Meh ... average experience, it's probably not gonna come up in conversation. I'm not gonna stick my neck out there. But, um, how do we do that? Well, we address people by their name. We know when they're calling, right? I might even be pulling that up in my shop management system or my CRM. Just the s- the second the phone rings, it's gonna pop and present that information. "Yeah, I saw you were in three, three months ago, and we had looked at, you know, X, Y, Z on your vehicle. Should we add, add some additional time to take care of that this time?" Right? It, we have an awareness. They have confidence in us. We know them as a person. We know their vehicles. And now we're, we're joining together with our customers. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, at, at a common goal, right? And it comes back to their safety. Well, Tonnika Haynes: so what'll happen is you'll get a client, and, um... Sorry about the background noise. That's all right. You'll get a client, and they're not thinking about their car. They, they, they've grown to love you. They've grown to know you. They know you by your name. And then you made the recommendations last time. They trust you enough that they are just gonna be like, "Okay, whatever. I'll talk to you about it next time. Tanika's gonna remember that for me." Say, "Hey, Miss Mary Jane, you remember we talked about..." "I don't remember we talking about." "Well, here's a copy. I'm gonna send that over to you. We're gonna look at it, these things again." Yeah. It's just like having a whole system, and then you become that person. It's like I don't have to remember what my car needs 'cause Tanika and her team have the history, and they know me by my name. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Tonnika Haynes: Right. And they're gonna take care of me. David Boyes: The paradigm shift there is I, you know, as a service advisor, I'm the expert. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: As the service manager, I'm the expert, right? You've come to me because of our and my expertise, and I'm sharing the belief that you wanna be safe and you wanna care for your vehicle. So allow me to make these recommendations. Allow me to, to keep that, those notes about our previous interactions so that when we meet to, when we meet again, we can make sure that w- you know, we're, we're not starting from zero- Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm David Boyes: that we already have this information available, and we're going to improve that experience. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: Um, on the, on the call coaching side of it, um, you know, I, I think at some level you've kinda normalized it in your shop, and I'd love to learn more about how, you know, how did you do that? It's, it's not typical, I would say, that people are just, like, rallying around, "Let's listen to calls," right? 'Cause part of it is, you know, the exposure or this kind of fear of judgment. But once you normalize that and make it consistent, um, I'd love to know how you've done that and, and keep the, uh, the Big Brother mentality out the door. Tonnika Haynes: Well, I don't, well, we've got cameras, and we've got these things recording the calls. And, and first of all, these calls are not being recorded to get you. These calls are recor- Yeah ... recorded to cover your butts from that crazy person that swear they didn't say it. Mm-hmm. These calls are recorded to make you better. Um, I remember Chad say, "Hey, just put it on the calendar. Just put it on the calendar." It's like ha- having that one-on-one for the first time. Nobody knows what to say or to do. I'm not trying to attack you. I'm just trying to make you better. So let's just... I listened to my call. Be vulnerable. Me. Hey, Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... Tonnika Haynes: you don't wanna listen to your call. I didn't wanna listen to my own call. But let's, let's do this. It's just on the calendar. And like I said, the defense will just break down a little bit at a time, and I found that with my one-on-ones again. Like, we do a first Monday one-on-one. If I was late or if I skipped the one-on-one, they're like, "Well, why did, I didn't get my one-on-one. Am I in trouble?" They look forward to it. Everybody wants positive reinforcement. Amen. So if you keep it positive, and then some- like, "Hey, I looked at 10 of your calls, and out of the 10, only 3 of them were coachable." Or, "Hey, you remember when we started out, how you would have, like, a 11 bad calls out of 20? Dude, you only got two this time." So make sure we measure it, okay? Schedule it, measure it, keep it going. Know you're uncomfortable, they're uncomfortable, and just say- I don't wanna do this. Nobody wants to do it. Nobody wants to lift that... Well, a lot of people don't wanna lift the heaviest weight for the muscle gain. Mm-hmm. It's gonna be painful, but it's gonna get easier. It's gonna be easier for me and you as the coach and the coachee, or is it a coachee? Whatever. So, I mean, it, it's... I don't know if there's an easy way to put it, but I just know that you just keep doing it, you be consistent, and you let them know if you're uncomfortable. Like I hear shop owners say, "How do you start this one-on-one stuff? How do you start this coaching stuff?" You just start it. And you're just like, "Ooh, hey, I don't know what I'm doing either. Let's do this together." Yeah. "Let's, let's get better together." Like, I'm listening to my calls too. We're all getting better together. So I would just say start it, put it on a schedule, make it, make it pop up, show up. Yeah. Wednesday, coaching calls. Jimmy, one of the- Schedule it. It's ready to go. David Boyes: Yeah. That, that's perfect. I, I, I love the perspective too. And Jimmy, one of the, you know, the things that I share with owners consistently is be consistent. Mm-hmm. So I think the, the technology drives that, right? We're delivering an email with, you know, here, here's a, a top call, here's a coachable call. Here's some additional information. So delivering that is important, and the technology really helps us drive that consistency in this case. So, um, when that, that email comes out, here's a call example, you don't have to do anything with that today, or you can. If you don't, there's another one tomorrow, right? Mm-hmm. And we wanna create that normalcy. And th- this is the part that drives change, is one, you know, we're, we're making this normal. Yep. And Tanika, you were just talking about that, right? We're gonna put this on the calendar. People begin to expect it, right? It becomes normal for them, and that's a super important milestone in the coaching, training, and development process, is that sense of normalcy in the shop. And then, um, u- understanding the expectations and, you know, where do we have the opportunities. Um, Tanika, you know, one, one thought that comes to mind here is, you know, you'd mentioned at the beginning, like ask for the appointment. As you began doing this, you know, what, what did you begin to understand and, and see happening across, you know, the phone calls and across your organization? What patterns began to emerge? And really, what's that aha moment you had where you're like, "This is bringing value to me while I'm bringing value to my team"? Tonnika Haynes: Ooh, that's a good question. So when we start asking for the appointment, you know what? The calendar filled up. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. So the marketing was working. And, um, but the big aha moment... Ooh, that's a good question, Dave. You got me on that one. Should have text me that before you asked me that one. I'd been ready. David Boyes: My Tonnika Haynes: apologies. Phone with you. Aha moments with phone calls. I don't know. I, I really, I can't answer that one for you, but what I do wanna say before I forget the chance, don't get the chance to say it, when they're sitting beside each other up front and they're lis- 'cause they're, everybody can hear everybody's phone calls. Mm-hmm. I can hear them say, "That was a good one. What was that one about?" Or like Stuart would tell Hailey, he's like, "She's, she's had a lot of good phone calls here lately. I can hear the change in the way she's handling the phone calls." So again, um, may have got a little bit off subject, but them helping each other and encouraging each other. Maybe they can only hear one end of the phone call, but there's some key words like, "Oh, you killed that one." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. " Tonnika Haynes: You killed that one." Or making that sale on the phone call. Yeah. "I heard how you delivered that BVI. I heard that delivery. You gave them the good sandwich," and they said yes. Like this morning, she was like, "She said yes to everything." It's like, "God, it's working." Imagine that. Love it. Imagine doing a training, following the instructions, and it actually working. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Gotta David Boyes: love that. It really is the aha moment too, right? Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. David Boyes: You're, you're going through, you're driving consistency. You have, you know, some form of flow and expectations, and you're learning from one another. I love the fact that- Mm-hmm ... they're listening at least to one side of each other's conversations- Right ... in real time. Tonnika Haynes: I David Boyes: think I'm lucky Tonnika Haynes: with that- And then getting to populate from that ... with my team. David Boyes: Yeah. Tonnika Haynes: I think I'm lucky with my, 'cause they're, they're not in competition, and, um, it's like how do you keep them... I don't know. God blessed me with that, but I'm just lucky that way. But encouraging each other- So. Jimmy Lea: It's good. That's good, Tanika. You, you've set up a solid culture there, solid people. They've got great results. You're listening to the phone calls. Consistency, like David's talking about. You know, um, hearing one side of the conversation helps a little bit, but if you, if you, as an owner, if you're only listening to half the conversation and you are not booked up three, four, five, six, seven, eight days in advance, chances are you're missing the other half of the conversation, and you need to listen to it. So you do need a device, a program, a, a hardware. You need a, a phone system that allows you to listen to all sides- Mm-hmm ... of the conversation. You've g- just gotta be able to do that. You gotta be able to do that. Now I'm gonna give another shout-out here as we work in our marketing. So a lot of times I hear shops talking about their marketing. "Well, my marketing's not working. I'm not... It's not working. It's not working." A lot of times it comes back to the phone call. Mm-hmm. How well is the phone call being handled or treated from an advisor? But speaking to the marketing part, we've got a shout-out here for the institute is holding a marketing intensive this October 26, 27, 28. Tanika, I just got off the phone with Brett Faidley. He is signed up. He is coming out for Mars Conference, so if you wanna get signed up as well, sister, we'd love to have you out here. Tonnika Haynes: I gotta get a real flashy jacket for that one. Jimmy Lea: Uh-huh. Tonnika Haynes: Pull out my Jimmy Lea: rhinestones. Right behind that Mars Conference. So if you got your smartphone there in front of you, grab out your smartphone, turn on your camera. There's the QR code right there. Oh, man. Flash the QR code and get registered. The, the, uh, the Mars Conference is going to be awesome. It is a conference where when you are done with the workshops, it's a three-day conference. When you're done with that three-day conference, you have 2027 mapped out, ready to go, and you know what you're gonna be doing month to month throughout that whole next year. It's super awesome. I, I love the Mars Conference. David Boyes: I do too. So Jimmy Lea: come- David Boyes: I was at the last one. Excited to be there. I'm, let me just say I was there as a participant at the last Mars Conference. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. David Boyes: And, uh, one, getting to, you know, to interact with so many, uh, friends across the industry was great, but also, uh, you know, I, I, I don't own a shop. I own a, uh, communication business. I took so much away from that that I immediately applied. I can speak from my own experience. Uh, and I know, uh, you know, many of the participants there that took those components right back to their shop and made immediate changes. So it is, uh, it's not just a, um, it's not just a workshop where you're gonna come away with a flashy workbook and put that in a dusty cabinet somewhere and never do anything with it. I promise you, you attend the Mars Conference, and, uh, you will come away energized and ready to make a real difference in your shop Jimmy Lea: Yep, for sure. For sure. Tonnika Haynes: All right. Like I s- I'm never gonna be at work if I keep coming, following you around, Jimmy. David Boyes: Just imagine your wardrobe, though. Tonnika Haynes: Oh, I know. It'd be so good. Jimmy Lea: It'd be so good. Tonnika Haynes: But no, we'll see. I, I'm thinking about that. I thought about what we talked about the other day, but we're not gonna get off subject 'cause I do that a lot. David Boyes: It can happen. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. David, what else? What else can we talk about with phones, phone systems, programs? Um, can we track our marketing using your phone system? David Boyes: Yeah. Uh, just on that very note, you know, the, uh, uh, we'll talk about this a little bit this year at Mars as well, but, you know, market tracking is important, right? We, we spend a lot of money, and understanding the performance, uh, is important. So with our phone system, you know, we can provide, uh, market tracking numbers if you have different campaigns, mailers, text messaging, website, uh, related, uh, leads that you're generating. Um, we can certainly provide unique numbers. The customer experience is the same, and the, um, you know, the shop experience is the same, except you have all of this additional data about, you know, how many calls were generated. So that's important to know, and, uh, it's also important to, uh, use that as a, you know, a good baseline of information about your capacity to manage phone calls in your shop. So when we look at some of the, uh, the other performance metrics, how long does it take us to answer the phone? Are we answering the phone, right? Jimmy Lea: Mm. David Boyes: In order to ask somebody for the appointment, we have to first answer the phone. Uh, and if you're spending this money on marketing campaigns, there are a variety of reasons, and I'll just tell you one example that I hear often from owners is, you know, they put out a marketing number and they, you know, advisors, uh, might believe that it's, you know, it's generating bad leads, something like that, so they won't answer that phone. Um, but we wanna, we wanna understand, uh, the behavior of what's going on. Is it something that we can control? Um, are, are we effective in the marketing campaign? What information do I have around that? And then additionally, uh, running that into the call analysis, uh, so that we understand are we, are we converting these, right? If we're generating the leads, are we actually generating appointments? And then, uh, from that point, if you know you have the appointment, you can measure your performance, uh, go forward. So there's a lot of data that we can capture, um, other than just sending in all of these phone calls to the main number. Jimmy Lea: I love it. David Boyes: Mm-hmm. Jimmy Lea: I love it. I love the, the phone is such a powerful tool. I love when we can multitask that tool and do multiple things with the, the same tool. Very cool. Very cool. But i- if there a- any questions, comments, concerns from our audience, we would love for you to type those in. If there's questions for David or questions for Tamika, go ahead and type those into the comments section. While they're doing that, I will say if you are trying to keep up with me, good luck. But you can find it on our website. The website page is, uh, wearetheinstitute.com/events. That's all of the events that are coming up here in the very near future where you will see the institute participating and locking arms with the industry to help elevate the industry. Our motto, our mantra is, better business, better life, better industry. We're gonna lock arms with you as a shop owner so that you have a better business. The net result of you having a better business is that you have a better life. Tonnika Haynes: Mm-hmm. Jimmy Lea: And not just you have a better life, your advisors have a better life, your technicians have a better life. Your, uh, your partners have a better life. Your spouse Your advisors' significant others, their spouses, uh, their, their technicians and their spouses, the, and their children. Everyone elevates, everyone breathes better, everyone sees a bluer sky and greener grass when we have a better business, a better life, and our commitment is that we will help this become a better industry. Looks like there's a couple of comments that did come through. Oh, no, that's Raleigh posting out the webpage for the events. Yeah. Uh, super awesome. Super awesome. Uh, last final thoughts, final ideas. David, we'll start with you. Tanika, then to you. Yeah. That we can help this industry grow. David Boyes: Tanika, thank you for joining today and, and sharing your experience. It's super valuable for, for me as a provider to our industry that, uh, we understand how we're driving impact. So thank you again for that. Thank you for your trust and support. For the, uh, the audience, uh, Call Inbound is our company, callinbound.com. Uh, we provide communication services, uh, call tracking information, uh, advisor call handling performance metrics, and AI call analysis. But above all, we're part of the industry, right? So, uh, I got my start with, uh, with the institute in a 20 group. Got, you know, very ingrained in the industry, uh, while I was building my company. And, um, you know, I'm proud to say that I'm part of the, uh, not just the automotive aftermarket, but the, the service repair industry. Thank you, Tonnika Haynes: gentlemen. I wanna make, make sure you know that I appreciate your company. Um, I don't know how many employees you have, but it seems like they're all just sitting in the same room waiting to help. I can send an email and I get a response so quickly, and it's always been consistent great service, so I do appreciate that. And, uh, anybody that's on the fence, whether you, you know, I'm like, "I don't wanna listen to phone calls, that's just another thing for me to need to..." Do it. Listen to the phone calls. Start with yourself. Start with yourself as the owner. I always say start, start with yourself. I always assume that I'm the problem, then I can work from there. Listen to your phone calls, and if you think you're good and then you listen to them, you realize how bad you are, think about how bad your team is if you're not coaching them. So get them in coaching call services or what- whatever. Listen to the phone calls. Get everything in order. And not only will you make better sales and better connections, more appointments, but I really truly believe that it could save you a lot of heartache. Yeah, they record bad calls, too. Bad calls from the other end that you're, you know, that you need, I hate to say for court, but anything. It's like, "Hey, sir, we've got that call recorded and that didn't go quite the way you're saying it's gonna go." So that's another part to it that could, that could be very important in your shop. We call that David Boyes: the replay booth. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Yeah. David Boyes: We'll take that to the replay booth. Tonnika Haynes: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: It, it, it's an important to CYA. Exactly. You gotta cover your own behind. Tonnika Haynes: There's a great... That's a great tool for that. Jimmy Lea: Yep. Yep. Yep, for sure. Well, with that, thank you very much. David, thank you for being here. Taneka, thank you very much for being here. Tonnika Haynes: Any Jimmy Lea: time. Look forward to seeing both of you very soon at our next conference, and to give you a big hug and say hello. Uh, bring your best jackets, David. Say Tonnika Haynes: less. Gotcha. Say less. Back in the David Boyes: studio. Jimmy Lea: Yes, yes. Very much looking forward to working with all of you in the very near future. And for everyone that is listening, thank you so much for joining us today as we talk about building a better business, a better life, and a better industry. My name is Jimmie Lee. I'm with the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence, and we're here to lock arms with you and make a difference. Click on it. Come find us. We're here to help. How can we help you? Let's make a difference. Talk to you soon.

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Downshift with TonnikaAugust 25 · 59 min

Are You Running Your Shop… Or Is It Running You? | Darin Johnson - Ep 37

You shouldn't have to play detective just to figure out what's happening in your own shop. 😂 If you're ready for all your shop's information in one place, check out Tekmetric HEREConsistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMORunning an auto repair shop is one thing—but what happens when the shop starts running you? In this episode, Tonnika Haynes sits down with Darin Johnson, a one-man shop owner from Great Bend, Kansas, who admits he's working seven days a week, struggles to tell customers no, and hasn't taken a real vacation since 2018. They get into the difficult transition from technician to business owner, why coaching and industry connections have changed Darin's approach, and how raising his labor rate didn't create the customer revolt he feared. Tonnika also gets fired up about boundaries, last-minute customers, “free” tire pressure checks, and why serving your community doesn't mean allowing customers to control your schedule. Darin is heading to ASTA with a mission: build his network, learn how to step away from the shop, find help, and finally create a business that gives him a life outside the bays.Timestamps:00:00 Cold open: “It’s gonna be on one more day”00:19 Downshift intro00:38 Darin still has a FLIP PHONE?!02:10 Meet Darin: Running a one-man repair shop in Kansas02:44 How he accidentally became a shop owner04:27 From hot rods to 25 years in automotive05:39 Does Darin really want to stay a one-man operation?07:06 Heading to ASTA for the first time07:40 Why Darin LEFT his first training event early08:39 Coaching struggles: Knowing what to do vs. actually doing it09:55 The real reason Darin is coming to ASTA10:16 Shop ownership can feel like you’re on an island13:08 Working seven days a week & being married to the shop14:20 The people-pleasing problem15:03 Customers asking about cars at dinner and the grocery store16:27 What happens when the shop becomes your only hobby?20:26 Feeling guilty for taking time away20:57 “Schedule your hats”—including downtime22:59 Darin’s five-year plan: Train someone to replace him23:38 His last REAL vacation was in 201824:34 Open-heart surgery changed how Darin viewed the business25:21 Becoming an owner instead of just a technician28:06 Why 15–20 cars are constantly sitting at the shop28:34 The work Darin has finally started saying NO to30:49 Bringing an accountability partner to training32:42 Why a few unhappy customers can ruin your mindset33:58 Should you just FIRE the worst 5% of your customers?38:02 Tonnika gives Darin his official ASTA assignment40:40 Finding your automotive family42:39 Why Tonnika recommends coaching43:57 Coaching’s impact on Darin’s mindset and mental health45:01 “I wish I would’ve done this 10 years ago”46:04 Why shops that don’t train get left behind46:58 Darin now has the highest labor rate in town47:34 Tonnika’s $12 lawnmower tire era 😂49:00 Learning how to say NO without losing customers49:12 Scheduling your different “hats” as an owner51:10 Customers don’t control your schedule51:44 “It’s been on for two weeks? It can wait another day.”53:05 Your six-month-old check engine light isn’t suddenly my emergency53:50 How “real quick” jobs steal HOURS from your day54:52 Why Tonnika refuses to just throw air in a tire55:32 “My air isn’t free!”56:23 The right way to say no: Give customers another option57:45 Darin’s ASTA challenge & what’s coming in Part 2

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