Shop KPIs & Profitability

Why Busy Doesn’t Mean Profitable in Auto Repair | Mike Allen and Jim Cokonis - Ep 12

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Tonnika Haynes, Mike Allen, and Jim Cokonis get real about what it actually takes to build a successful shop without letting the wheels fall off behind the scenes. They break down the danger of stepping away too soon, why empowering your team doesn’t mean checking out, and the numbers every shop owner needs to quit avoiding — labor rates, parts profit, and KPIs that actually matter. This episode is all about leadership, accountability, and building a shop that works because of you… not only when you’re in it.Timestamps: 00:00 — The $100k/month trap: why you need to be IN your shop01:08 — Free Diag for customer acquisition: smart or crazy?03:39 — Leadership styles, micromanagement, and setting your people up for success06:05 — Don’t let KPIs kill your culture08:19 — Giving up micromanaging — but not management itself10:22 — Echo chambers, business focus, and the dangers of stepping back too far12:56 — Toyota Kaizen, process improvements, and empowering your team16:00 — Debunking old-school shop management myths18:03 — Changing workforce motivations: is it really different now?20:26 — Owners chasing absentee dreams before putting in the work22:59 — “Sweep your floor”: hard truths about focusing on your own shop25:51 — Decoding parts profit, labor rates, and the future of shop profitability29:21 — Why effective labor rate actually matters31:08 — Real math for shop owners: hitting your numbers34:39 — Charging for diagnostics: what actually works?38:32 — Selling top-tier service through education, not pressure41:00 — Extreme ownership, replicating leaders, and building scalable success44:27 — Lessons from Toyota: process beats shortcuts46:14 — Can you really teach empathy, sales, and service skills?48:37 — The “I am the problem” moment for every shop owner51:16 — Scaling up: letting go of direct customer ties53:18 — Training, leadership, and the myth of instant success56:36 — Hard-won lessons from promoting the wrong people

Ep 112 - Coaching Call #20 | Mike is Going to Charge for Diag??

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HERETurnkey Marketing takes the stress of doing something I'm not good at off my plate. And gives it to someone who is. Click HERE for more.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREWhen I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Mike Allen sits down with Matt Lofton for another open-book coaching session, digging into the real numbers behind one of Mike’s shops and figuring out what has to change to push it past 20% net profit. They break down car count, closing ratio, effective labor rate, gross profit per billed hour, staffing capacity, revenue per employee, and why a shop can look busy while still leaving a lot of money on the table. The conversation eventually forces Mike to reconsider one of his favorite controversial strategies—free diagnostics—and whether qualifying customers and charging for testing could actually improve the shop. As usual, there’s plenty of math, sarcasm, questionable financial decisions, and Mike reluctantly admitting that Matt may have a point.Timestamps00:00 Mike Forgot the Most Important Podcast Preparation: A Drink01:21 A $734 Power Bill vs. Matt’s Accidental Backyard Rainforest04:25 Growing the Business Just Creates New Problems07:35 Are Shop Owners Bad at Celebrating Wins?11:33 Opening the Books: $115K Revenue, $530 ARO & 24% Closing14:40 The Shop’s Best Month of the Year15:18 Building a 20%+ Net Profit Goal18:18 How to Calculate the Revenue Your Shop Actually Needs20:41 Can the Current Team Produce Enough Hours?25:45 “I Have No Excuse Not to Put $25K–$30K in the Bank”27:04 Could This Be a 30% Net Profit Shop?27:45 The Gross Profit Per Billed Hour Every Shop Needs to Know30:21 The Problem With a 24% Closing Ratio31:47 Your Loss Leader Doesn’t Have to Be for Everybody34:29 23 Cars Out of 110 Generated $034:57 “We’re Not Hospice for Cars”35:19 Should Repair Shops Have an Age Limit on Vehicles?36:32 Mike Admits He’s About to Make a Bad G-Wagon Decision39:58 Matt Sees Mike’s Effective Labor Rate and Gets Sad41:12 Mike Calls Capacity Calculators “Mental Masturbation”42:02 Should Mike Finally Start Charging for Diagnostic Testing?43:15 What McDonald’s Can Teach Repair Shops About Pricing44:04 Qualifying Customers Before Giving Them Something Free46:25 Mike Promises to Rage-Bait Matt Again46:54 Raising Effective Labor Rate Could Add $500K in Capacity49:11 What Should the Entry-Level Diagnostic Fee Be?51:41 The Revenue-per-Employee Hiring Benchmark55:05 Is It Already Time to Hire Another Technician?55:49 Why Your Shop Can’t Operate at Redline Forever57:17 “Good Dude Is Not a Qualifier for Employment”59:42 Mike Prepares to Admit He Was Wrong About Free Diag

Why Busy Shops Stay Broke | Josh Oberlander | Ep 25

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOYour techs don’t need another YouTube rabbit hole—they need real answers to the problem in front of them. SWAT Training and Diagnostics brings the tech support and hands-on, virtual, and just-in-time training to help them fix today’s car and be ready for the next one - LEARN MORE HEREIn this episode, Tonnika Haynes and Josh Oberlander break down why slowing down and focusing on process can actually turbocharge your shop’s growth. Tonnika shares hard-won lessons about moving from high car count and burnout to prioritizing quality over quantity, showing how DVIs (with more photos!) increase both trust and repair order value. Josh jumps in with actionable advice on building team buy-in, gamifying new processes, and leading from the top. Timestamps:00:00 Leading from the top: Why technicians and advisors must buy in00:35 The untapped power of free training for shop owners01:17 Doing less for more: Getting profitable work from fewer cars02:16 Maximizing ARO by slowing down and focusing on DVIs03:07 The quick lube trap: Saying yes to everything vs. building real value03:23 Photos = trust: How transparent DVIs win more jobs03:34 Josh shares shop success with upping DVI photo counts04:04 Protecting your shop with good photos (and covering your … liability)05:01 Why busy shops are still "broke"—the cost of missing training & coaching06:10 Saying 'no for now': The hardest lesson for shop owners06:41 Why oil changes almost never build loyalty (and what to focus on instead)06:53 Coaching your team: Breaking through resistance to DVI and new processes08:04 Gamifying buy-in: Whiteboards, numbers, and making it a challenge09:20 The 60- or 90-day challenge: Real tracking for real results10:00 Why photo & video DVIs build trust—and prevent burnout11:19 Video in the shop: When and why you want to use it12:08 Technicians, not actors: Keeping DVI videos authentic12:25 The magic of just one extra hour per ticket12:36 Team buy-in starts at the top—stop relying on "because I said so"13:18 Creating a culture of “disagree and commit”14:20 How team input drives goals, ownership, and commitment15:08 Buy-in that sticks: When your team runs the shop without you15:53 Setting the next big goal (and getting your team hyped!)16:06 The never-ending work of real leadership17:01 The payoff of openness: Why your team should know the numbers

Why Most Shop Owners Stay Stuck | Jimmy Lea - Ep 16

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Tonnika Haynes Downshifts with Jimmy Lea, Vice President of Business Development at The Institute for Automotive Business Excellence, to talk about the real journey of becoming a successful shop owner. Jimmy breaks down the importance of bringing value whether you’re on stage speaking or working with your team at the shop. He shares how coaching can transform not just your business but your life, giving practical advice on moving from chaos to control and learning to delegate effectively.Timestamps:00:00 Bringing Value vs Chasing the Spotlight – The Key to Longevity02:13 The Recharge Routine: Thriving as an Industry Extrovert04:04 Honing Your Craft: Speaking, Coaching, and Constant Growth06:03 Connecting with Your Audience: The Secret Sauce of Great Presenters07:45 Daily Mindset Practices for Owners & Leaders09:09 Jimmy's Journey from Call Tracking to Industry Rockstar13:43 Nailing Your Niche: How to Stand Out & Grow in the Automotive Space16:18 Why Shop Owners, Service Advisors, and Trainers All Need to Bring Value21:28 The Power of Coaching: Why You Can’t Afford To Go It Alone26:06 Technician to Owner: The Real Phases of Shop Leadership30:25 From Chaos to Control: The Blueprint for Scaling & Letting Go34:52 Delegation and Team Building – Getting Out of Your Own Way35:10 The Real Payoff: How Coaching Impacted Tonnika Haynes’ Team and Life40:06 Raising Labor Rates, Elevating the Industry & Gaining Community Respect43:00 Trade Schools, Teen Techs, and Changing Perceptions51:10 Shop Lessons vs College Degrees – Real-World Business Smarts58:07 Final Takeaways: Coaching, Mindset, and Rethinking What “Success” Looks Like

Ep 94 - Coaching Call #17 | The Secret to a "Perfect" Day at the Shop

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREIn this episode, Mike and Matt talk about daily shop performance and the importance of defining what a "perfect day" looks like for the team. One concept Matt brought up was the need to move away from subjective evaluations and instead implement objective, binary metrics—like technician hours worked, appointments attended, and gross profit targets—for more effective management. One trick for shop owners is to use actionable mid-day check-ins to quickly identify and respond to potential issues, raising the floor on performance rather than merely chasing bigger highs. Timestamps:00:00 Setting the Standard: Defining a "Perfect Day" in Shop Management01:46 Upcoming AI Training Class: Why Early Adoption Means Opportunity04:13 Building the Event Calendar: Fall Shows, Course Selection & Hospitality Suite05:47 April Recap: Revenue, Profit, and Running a Leaner Team07:27 Unlocking the Numbers: ARO, Close Ratio & Tech Metric Deep Dive08:10 The DVI Dilemma: Why Process Slippage Hurts Your Bottom Line10:06 Only One-Third of Customers See Your DVI?! Here's Why That Matters12:06 Triggers for Action: When to Audit and How to Respond13:01 The "Perfect Day Plan" and Real-World Contingencies15:47 Scorecarding the Day: Checks at 10AM, 2PM, and Raising the Floor18:00 Subjective vs. Objective Reporting: What REALLY Tells the Story21:25 The Problem with Overreporting & What Data Actually Matters23:21 Real-World Action Plans: Handling Cancellations, No-Shows & Dead Days25:21 VIP Customers, Deferred Work, and Making Today Count27:01 Maximizing Opportunity: Not All Cars (or Customers) Are Equal28:35 Do You Exclude State Inspections From Your Numbers? The Truth Behind the Data30:03 Stepping Beyond Express Lube: Changing What Business You’re In32:01 Retention Rates & Why That Second Visit is GOLD35:10 Turning State Inspections into Repeat Business: The REAL Strategy40:14 Role Playing, AI in Training, and How Owners Stay Sharp42:22 Overcoming Price Objections: Getting Down to What Matters Most44:10 Fly With the Eagles & Masters Training: What’s Coming Next47:47 Hosting at ASTA Expo: Deep Dive, Hot Topics & Real Owner Conversation

215 - Ask Me Anything: Car Count vs. Profit - Why More Cars Doesn't Always Mean More Profit

215 - Ask Me Anything: Car Count vs. Profit - Why More Cars Doesn't Always Mean More Profit August 5, 2026 - 00:53:54 Show Summary: Higher car count does not always create higher profit. Excess volume can lower repair order averages and increase mistakes while exhausting the team. Strong financial data helps owners find the right workload for their business model. Shops should improve margins and workflow before investing in more marketing or staff.   Host(s): Lucas Underwood, Shop Owner of L&N Performance Auto Repair and Changing the Industry Podcast Cecil Bullard, Founder of The Institute   Show Highlights: [00:01:00] – Higher repair orders can create less stress and a better client experience. [00:04:00] – Strong sales mean little when the business still loses money. [00:09:00] – Last minute work can disrupt promises and increase costly mistakes. [00:15:00] – Excess car count often lowers sales and employee satisfaction. [00:18:00] – Every shop must find the workload that supports its model. [00:20:00] – Clean financial data helps owners make sound business decisions. [00:22:00] – Fix weak margins before spending money to attract more clients. [00:28:00] – A thoughtful response can protect workflow without rejecting the customer. [00:42:00] – Adding technicians without strong processes can create greater chaos. [00:49:00] – Clear goals and accountability help employees understand how to succeed.   In every business journey, there are defining moments or challenges that build resilience and milestones that fuel growth. We’d love to hear about yours! What lessons, breakthroughs, or pivotal experiences have shaped your path in the automotive industry? Share your story with us at info@wearetheinstitute.com, and you might be featured in an upcoming episode.   👉 Unlock the full experience - watch the full webinar on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7M70n_DfTDg   Don’t miss exclusive insights, expert takeaways, and real talk you won’t hear anywhere else. Hit Subscribe, drop a comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear this!   Links & Resources:  Want to learn more? Click Here Want a complimentary business health report? Click Here See The Institute's events list: Click Here Want access to our online classes? Click Here ________________________________________ Episode Transcript Disclaimer This transcript was generated using artificial intelligence and may contain errors. If you notice any inaccuracies, please contact us at marketing@wearetheinstitute.com.   Episode Transcript: Ask Me Anything Car Count vs. Profit - Why More Cars Doesn't Always Mean More Profit Lucas Underwood: What is up, everybody? Hey, y'all. It's Lucas Underwood from the Changing the Industry podcast and L&M Performance here in Blowing Rock, North Carolina. I am joined today by the one, the only, Mr. Cecil Bullard. We're gonna be talking about car count versus profit. Cecil, how are you today, buddy? Cecil Bullard: I'm doing fantastic as usual, Lucas. Lucas Underwood: Very good. Very good. So Cecil, one of the, one of the things I'll never forget, I taught a class at a industry event one time, and I had been in another class where the person was talking about do whatever it takes to get them in the door, and they'd been in a shop, and they were in their own shop, and the, the advisor had turned down a car at 4:00 in the afternoon that came in for a coupon oil change and wanted to wait. And so she chased the person back out into the parking lot and said, "No, no, no, no, no, we'll get you in. We'll make it work. I'm gonna pull a technician off something else. I'm gonna put them on this," and fired an advisor over it. And I've, I'd been in that class, and I'm talking about that in this training, and that person was sitting in the back of the class and I didn't see Cecil Bullard: him. Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And, and the thing that I said about it was this, is I said, "Listen, one of the most impactful things that I've ever experienced was being on the other side of an experience like that as an advisor, as a technician, what it feels like to feel that kind of pressure and why we shouldn't do that to our people And so I know there's been a massive movement, movement in the industry that's pushing people to say yes to every car that comes in the door. Doesn't matter what it is, just more cars, more cars, more cars, more cars. And I have had a very, very different experience than that. I am someone who has experienced a higher ARO with less stress and less pressure on our people, a better experience for the client, and I have found that that works best for me. And I'm not saying it works best for every organization, but I wanted to dig in with you and talk a little bit about this. Are you a say yes to every car man, or are you a balanced car count and balanced ARO man? Help me understand. Cecil Bullard: I think there's a, I think there's both, frankly. Um- Okay ... it, it has to make common sense, and I think you're really talking about two different things. So first of all- Yeah ... you know, before you fire someone for not doing what you want, does the person really understand what you want, right? Yeah. I mean, is that, is that well defined? Did the guy know that no matter what, I have to bring that car in? Uh, you know, so at 4:00, your service advisor made a decision. He'd made promises to other customers that they would have their cars. Yeah. And instead, now you're jumping in the middle of that and you're saying, "Well, I'm gonna fire this guy because he turned down a, a discount oil change or whatever." Yeah. Maybe a dis- and it- maybe a dis- you know, the guys, the discount oil change guys would say, "Well, yeah, but we do discount oil changes 'cause it leads to other sales." Lucas Underwood: Right. Cecil Bullard: But so that's one thing, you know? I- I- is the person who works at your counter... Um, I, I was in, uh, North Carolina. You saw me last week. I was on the road- Yeah ... for four da- after one of my meetings, and this happens a lot, one of the kids came up, young guy, uh, looked like he was about 14, but he was probably in his 20s, and he's like, "I'm a third generation. My dad runs the shop, but, but you know, my dad, he's getting in the middle of everything. It's really hard." And, and, uh, I, I always say you work for someone, they write you a check- You have to make a decision about what you're willing to put up with or not put up with, right? For sure. As an, as an employee, right? Lucas Underwood: Yep. Cecil Bullard: And so when you decide that I, I wanna work here and I wanna take the check, i- in a way you also decide I'm gonna follow the rules of the company, whatever those are. Yeah. Whether Cecil agrees with them or Lucas agrees with them or, or whatever. None of that really matters. What matters is that the person that's writing you a check is, is basically saying, "This is how I wanna do it," right? Lucas Underwood: Right. Cecil Bullard: And, you know, behind the scenes, we can have all the arguments we want. We can sit down and go, "I don't think that's correct." Um, a- a- but until the owner changes their mind about how we do this, then you gotta do- That's how business Lucas Underwood: runs ... Cecil Bullard: you gotta do how, what the owner wants. And so if that employee got terminated legitimately because- Yeah he knew better, then I'm, I'm fine with that. I, I, I think we have a craziness in our industry. I think we've all lost our minds because You know, you, you look at car count, car count. I mean, that's everybody's... That's like the mantra, right? More cars, more cars. I'll make money if I have more cars. Yeah. Well, that's, that's not necessarily true. It's never been true, frankly. Lucas Underwood: Right. Cecil Bullard: Right. You know, we have these shops. I mean, I can't tell you how many times, you know, having done seminars in the industry for well over 20 years and, and, and worked with automotive- thousands of automotive shops, we have these shops that come in, they're doing $2 million a year worth of business and losing money. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and so... And we also have shops, frankly, that are doing, you know, uh, 700,000 and losing money, and, and I'm pretty sure there's shops out there doing 10 million and losing money. Yeah. Uh, there's a balance and there's a way to run your business that is successful, right? Yep. Lucas Underwood: Absolutely. 100%. So- And, and look, h- I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a play directly from the Cecil Bullard playbook, okay? Hey- I'm gonna pull the play straight out of the playbook because you said something that I think we need to address right here and right now, okay? We Cecil Bullard: lost our minds in our industry? Lucas Underwood: Well, I mean, you would've had to have had one to have lost it, okay? You have to have something to lose it. So, I, the industry in that sense, we're in trouble. But, you know, th- this brings up something that's completely off-topic and, and I'm just gonna ask you what you think about it. There's all these technicians who are really upset right now, right? They're, they're very disgruntled, and it's primarily in the dealership space, right? You know I make these videos and they come out- Yeah every single Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday. Yeah. And these videos come out, and all these dealership guys get so upset and so mad because they think that I'm talking about the dealership space. And I keep saying to them, like, you set the terms for what you're willing to accept in that, that job, in that role as an employee, and if you don't like the job, for God's sakes, leave. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, there's- And if Lucas Underwood: everybody leaves- Cecil Bullard: There's so many... There, I mean, you know, I, I think if you got a thousand shop owners in a room and you said, "How many of you need a good technician in your shop?" You know, 999 hands would go up, right? Yeah. Um, the, the... And, and yet we have these techs that are so miserable in their lives, in their sh- in the shop that they're at, and the, bec- the owner doesn't pay me, doesn't appreciate me, doesn't whatever, or she doesn't- Yeah or whatever. Okay, Lucas Underwood: cool. Why Cecil Bullard: are you there? Go somewhere else. Right. I mean, holy, holy crap. Um, yeah. I'm with you, man. I mean- I am like, uh... And I was t- I talk about the level of incompetence you're willing to accept. I, I do that- Yeah ... with owners because, you know, nobody's gonna be Cecil, right? Yeah. And by the way, in Cecil's head, in my brain, I think I do it right all the time. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's a piece of me that knows that's not true, right? But we're all a little- Sure ... insane in some ways, and we think that, you know, we, we know how to do things, and we think that our way is the right way. And, and, but as an owner, I'm gonna work twice as hard as pretty much anybody else, you know? Yeah. If it... I, I was talking to one of our, um, our marketing people. I, I used to print our workbooks, and I used to write our workbooks, and I used to edit our workbooks. Yeah. And, excuse me. I don't, I don't do that now, but I was, I was talking to her and I said, "You know, I used to be here at 2:00 in the morning-" Lucas Underwood: Yeah Cecil Bullard: printing workbooks because I had a class the next day that I needed the workbooks for- Uh ... and putting them together. 100%. And now I'm really glad I don't have to do that. Lucas Underwood: But- We, you know, we got a, we got a review the other day b- at the family business, and it said, "The owner was in there serving food." And I wanted to reply and say, "Yeah, because, like, I gotta do whatever I gotta do." 'Cause Cecil Bullard: everybody quit, and, and I'm in trouble, and I c- I'm the only one. Otherwise, I wouldn't be there. Lucas Underwood: Right. I've gotta do what I gotta do, right? Yeah. Like, this is how we're gonna survive. And, and I, uh... What is it that old Dutch always says? Like, "I'm paying for the blessings of tomorrow with the sacrifices of today." Of today. Whatever it takes. But Cecil Bullard: we a- you know, a- and so you, you create the level of incompetence. And I would say from an owner's point or a manager's point, you say, "Okay, in that position, I'm willing to accept 3% warranty," right? Yeah. So I've got a tech, I'm willing to accept 35 hours a week as a, okay, that's, like, you, you, you hit 35, you're, you're still in my good graces. You- Lucas Underwood: Right ... Cecil Bullard: you only have 3% warranty, you're still in my good graces. But, but also employees have to do the same thing. I mean, you have to decide, what am I willing to put up with? Am I willing to put up with- Yeah ... crappy pay? Well, if you do, and you take the check, and you keep taking the check- Lucas Underwood: Ain't Cecil Bullard: nothing gonna change then shut up. Right? Right. I mean, stop bitching about it. And we're, we're a, an interesting industry. Like you said, maybe we never had a mind, but- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: you know, we, we, we constantly eat our tails, you know? Yeah. We constantly bitch and bitch and bitch, and, and we don't W- I don't even think we fully understand. So, you know, I'm pretty sure if, um, if, uh, uh, Aaron Stokes was still alive and, and we had Aaron on this, Aaron would be saying, "Yeah, you say yes, and you say yes because of this, this, and this," right? Yeah. Because that was w- that's one of their philosophies, was that yes philosophy. And on the same time, I would be saying Yeah, but sometimes you gotta say no. Yeah. Because you've already made promises to other customers because you're pulling a guy off of a $5,000 job that he could finish up- Lucas Underwood: For a $29 Cecil Bullard: oil change ... and you're gonna have him do a, an oil change where you're gonna lose $35. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And then he's gotta come back to the $5,000 job, and he's gotta get his head back in the game. So now you've increased the odds of, of mistakes happening, comebacks, et cetera. And so I think there's a point where you say to the customer, "Look, you know, we, we would love to do that oil change for you, absolutely. Only I can't do it tonight, right now, because my techs are all tied up on other jobs, and we've made promises to customers." Absolutely. "And I'm pretty sure if you were one of those customers who I made a promise to, you would not want me pulling the tech off of your car to do someone else's- To, to do that ... service or whatever it is, right?" I, I think- And it's not even about a $29 oil change. If it was a $300 oil change, I still wouldn't pull my guy off of a $5,000 job- Yeah at 4:00 to do that oil change. Lucas Underwood: I, I think it's easy, right? Like, so, so my vision of leadership is, is my job is to create a awesome environment for my internal customers, my employees. Right. And, and currently I'm not in the shop that much, so it is my managers' job to create an amazing experience for them, and then they in turn create an amazing experience. The desired outcome is a safely and properly repaired automobile for our consumer that is safe and reliable for them and their families. Or that, that's what we're trying to accomplish, and we have the guardrails which say, "Here is the, the metrics of profitability that we expect, and so you guys stay within these guardrails. Here's where you're going. This is the roadmap. This is what we want." You saw the roadmap. Well- I've, I've got it on the whiteboard, right? Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And so- And you're also not, you're not setting yourself up for success here, right? I'm, I'm bringing a, a $29 oil change. So I'm working with, uh, big old tire guys, uh, not, not the big company, but a guy who owns three locations. Yeah. And we're doing free tire rotations and free brake inspections. Yeah. We're doing hundreds of them. You know what we're selling? Probably Lucas Underwood: nothing. Nothing, Cecil Bullard: right? Lucas Underwood: Right. Cecil Bullard: Because we're so busy doing the tire rotations and brake inspections, we forget to look at the car. We don't have time to get to the Lucas Underwood: actual work Cecil Bullard: that they could approve. We, we forget to estimate the work and, and we don't have time to have a conversation with the customer. Yeah. And so I'm, I'm literally going... I said, "Why, why do you guys do free brake, uh, you know, inspections, free tire rotations?" Yeah. He said, "So we can look at the car." Well, you forgot that- Does it matter if you're not getting the end of it? somewhere along the... Yeah. So now I'm gonna bring this, this oil change in, and we'll get to that question in just a second, but I, I just have to make the point. I'm gonna bring this guy in at 4:00. It's a waiter, you know? Yeah. Uh, we're gonna service the car, and if I have a good technician do a good inspection, we're 35, 45, 50 minutes in. So now we're pushing 5:00 Then we will find stuff on this car that needs to be talked about. Customer may not buy it, but it needs to be talked about. The whole reason I'm doing the cheap oil change is to get the guy in so I can look at the car and try to sell him the things that he really needs, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Except now it's close to 5:00. Is that customer gonna sit for another 15, 20 minutes while- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: my service advisor estimates the work, and then is he gonna sit for another 15 or 20 minutes with my service advisor after that to discuss what he needs- In- ... so that he can make a good decision? Lucas Underwood: In this instance, the, the, their theory was is like just, just find one thing wrong with the car that will make them leave it, and then do an inspection and provide the inspection later. I didn't feel like that was very kosher. Cecil Bullard: It's not my, it's not the way that I would- Lucas Underwood: No, I didn't feel like Cecil Bullard: it ... I would approach it. And it's certainly, it's certainly not the way that I would teach. I don't wanna have three phone calls with you, right? Yeah. Or three meetings. I don't wanna find one thing and say, "Oh my God, your, y- you know, your oil leak is coming out of the, the whatever timing cover so badly, we've gotta do your timing cover, and it's gonna cost X, Y, Z." And you go, "Okay, you know, I've seen the leaks. Do it." Yeah. And then you leave And then I go, "Oh, and now we've had time to check the car over, so here's another $5,000 worth of crap." Right. I don't wanna have that. I wanna have one conversation. I don't wanna have three or two, right? Right. I may have two because when we get in the middle of stuff, uh- Yeah we may find something- My vein's gonna have to- ... that are related that, that we can't see at that point in time with a basic inspection. But I certainly don't wanna have three conversations. And- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: and I think you're, um... Everything is i- with a client is about how does that client feel about us, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And that experience with us. And, and so by telling him yes, I made him feel good, okay? So yeah. Tell him, any, anytime you tell someone, "No, I, I really can't do that," if that's all you say, you're in trouble, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Or no. Uh, nobody wants to hear no, right? Yeah. "Oh, my gosh, I would love to do that for you right now, but unfortunately there's just not enough time, and if we did it right now, we wouldn't do you a justice. We wouldn't be able to-" Yeah "... inspect the car. We wouldn't be able to tell you about what's going on with the car. You would not have the information you need to make intelligent decisions, and my whole job is making sure that you have the information you need to make the right decisions about Lucas Underwood: your car." Is advising you, being your advocate. Cecil Bullard: That, that's what I do, right? Yeah. And so this, this yes mentality and this car count thing of just driving as many cars through. We... I watch... I'm a numbers guy. You, y- everyone in the industry kinda knows, you know? Cecil understands the numbers or thinks he does. And- Yeah and I watch shops drive car count, and as they drive car count, I watch sales go down. I watch- Yep ... average repair- Yes ... orders go down. I watch mistakes go up. Employee satisfaction Lucas Underwood: go down. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. The whole nine yards. Employees are, are running around- Yep ... like chickens with their head cut off. Yep. There's a lot more inefficiencies that, that happen in the business. Yeah. And so if you, if you run a shop and you really pay attention, you'll learn where your sweet spots are, right? Yeah. Where does the shop make m- the most money? Where does the shop create the most happy clients? Where does the shop create the best average repair order? You know? Yeah. Those things that matter to me. And then where does the shop create the most profit? Because y- I, I have to, I have to be profitable here i, in the short term, and frankly, in the long term. Yeah. Otherwise, I, I have to go work f- For somebody else, and I'm not employable Lucas Underwood: Right. I, I'm the same way, and I, I think it's important, right? O- one of the things that I'm bad for doing is painting with a broad brush. Yeah. If you own, own a tire store, right? And, and you can turn hundreds of tires a day, that, that's a different model than what we're discussing. We're not talking about a high volume just tire store or something like that. That's a very different model. But even then, these same practices work in that tire store the same way they work in, in a mechanical shop. Cecil Bullard: And- Most of, most of the tire guys that I know are- Mm-hmm ... probably doing 50% tires, 50% um- Mechanical ... at least. Yeah. I mean, I know there's some that are 70% tires, 30% service, but I don't know of- Yeah ... any tires, uh, other than maybe discount tires, that are only doing tires. Just tires. Yeah And not getting into any of the service at all. Um- Lucas Underwood: Well, you know, I, I thought, I was, I've talked with Mark Ponz a lot. Brilliant, brilliant businessman, right? And, and one of the things that I always learned from Mark was, was, "Hey, watch the way we do tire business," and then we kinda shift gears in the mechanical business. You have to. It runs a little bit differently, right? Cecil Bullard: It's a different business, right. Lucas Underwood: And so you've got your tire team that's out here just nailing the tires out, and that's what they do every single day. And, and I've, I've, because of ASEA, I've had some amazing opportunities to work with some of the best tire men in the entire country. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And, and I always, I was the guy saying like, "You can't make it with tires." How do you make it? And then I meet Mark Ponz and I'm like, "Whoof. He did more than make it with tires." Cecil Bullard: Holy smokes, you can make a lot of money with tires. Yes. But- Lucas Underwood: Yes ... Cecil Bullard: it's a different margin, it's a different business. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. And it, it's ran differently. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And so, you know, I found my sweet spot to be three cars a day per tech, somewhere between $900 and $1,100 on my ARO. That, that's my sweet spot. That's where we run. That's where things work. We get too much higher than that, we start getting into very complex jobs. And, and listen, I talk to a lot of shop owners, "I got a $3,000 ARO. That's too high." And they're like, "What are you talking about that's too high?" Well, Cecil Bullard: if, if you're a diesel shop, it's not. For sure. If you're a European shop, you're pushing the edge. But- For Lucas Underwood: sure ... Cecil Bullard: but if you're a general repair shop, it's, it's too high, right? Lucas Underwood: Exactly. It means you're Cecil Bullard: doing engines and transmissions all day. It also means you're doing a lot of heavy duty work. Engine repair. And if you're doing a lot of heavy duty work, the margins and the matrixes that- You currently would have in place normally that would be taught to you will never work for your business- Yeah to make the profit you need. Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Right. You're 100% right. You're 100% right. And, and I think that's why, you know, it's like when I talk to folks about coaching with the Institute, I'm always saying, "Listen, there is no cookie cutter model that fits every shop." Like, this is a- I think there, Cecil Bullard: I think there is, frankly. I mean, if you say, "I'm a tire store," there's a model that works best. Yeah. If you say, "I'm a- I don't Lucas Underwood: disagree ... Cecil Bullard: I'm a discount store-" I don't disagree with that ... there's, there's a model that works best. Yeah. But, you know, I was... A- and again, I, I have never run a discount store, so I've never done- Yeah ... a cheap oil change or anything cheap. Or frankly- Right ... I'm, I never, when I was running shops, I never was a discounter. So- Yeah ... I don't understand that model. And I know some guys, however, that run really discount. Yeah. I've known some guys in my life. And, and their model works for them, only their techs are usually, uh, pretty transient because- Yeah they're just- Discount model, that's it ... they're not paying them enough, and they're running too many cars through, and that's, their service advisors can be somewhat transient in that business, and their customers can be somewhat transient in that business. Yeah. So the other part of that is if I'm running a discount model, I have to keep really hounding- Yeah marketing. Tha- those are the guys that are also saying you need to send out 10,000 to 40,000 mailers every month so you can bring- Yeah ... these oil changes in, so you can do enough business to- Here- ... you know, to be profitable. Lucas Underwood: Here, here's my thing, though, okay? When, when we look at the numbers, right? When we look at the financials, because I talk to Eric Jordan all the time at Geisen. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, yeah. Lucas Underwood: And I'm like, "Dude, I... You know where I was at, I didn't have clean numbers." I, I ran through a, a spell where we didn't have good bookkeeping and, and our numbers were a mess. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And it's impossible to run a business without good clean numbers, right? And so what I'm saying, though, Cecil, is that without good clean numbers, without good clean data, there is no model that's gonna work. And I think that when they have good numbers, that GP number that you have to hit every single month to pay the bill- Cecil Bullard: Yeah ... Lucas Underwood: what, what the shop down the street's charging- They don't, they don't- ... is irrelevant to you. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. They also- Lucas Underwood: What you have to make is what you have to make. Cecil Bullard: If you don't have clean numbers, you make mistakes. Yeah. And you make bad decisions. So, you know, imagine- I've made bad Lucas Underwood: decisions with clean numbers, Cecil. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Right, yeah. But, but, you know, imagine that we brought a new car in or a, you know- Yeah ... a four-year-old whatever, and we didn't have a scanner, and we couldn't get the data- Yeah ... out of the car, and so now what are we doing? Now, now it's the, you know, well, I, I, based on my experience, I think, or- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: you know, my tech is saying, "Let's- Yeah ... place re- let's rep- replace these six parts. Maybe that's gonna solve the problem." Yeah. I, I don't wanna be that company. I wanna be the company that says, "I know exactly what's going on with your, with your business, and- Yeah these are the three or the five things that we can do that will really improve your business and- Yeah ... put more money in your bottom line, create more happy, happier employees, happier- uh, clients, et cetera. For sure. Um, we do have a question. Let's- Yeah. Kyle ... let's get to the question. 2020, Kyle. I know that this is supposed to be ask me questions, so, and I've al- I have kinda read the question, but I'll let you read it. I read it myself, so. Yeah. " Lucas Underwood: I'm a mobile programming and testing company netting 8% currently." Now, Kyle is a, a fairly new company, very proud of him, doing awesome things. "My GP's 55% per RO, but my car count is only about 10 per week, so two a day. Should my next step be more investment into marketing or jump into coaching to maximize what I currently have?" Cecil, what do you think? Cecil Bullard: Well, I would, I, I, I would lean on the coaching side, and here's why. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Y- Cecil Bullard: you're supposed to be making net 20, and your gross profit is off by, uh, what is that? 12, 14 points. Yeah. I mean, I need 62 to 64% GP. Lucas Underwood: Yep. Cecil Bullard: And I need to know where that's missing. For sure. And what I have to do to get that. So you can bring more cars in at this point, and you'll st- and, and if you maintain a, a net eight, you're just gonna... If you wanna make tw- you know, the 200 K you told- A higher Lucas Underwood: net eight. Cecil Bullard: I wanna make, I don't know, I wanna make $200,000. At 8%, $200,000 is an awful lot of cars to work on, an awful, awful lot of places to make mistakes, and a lo- awful lot of liability. Yeah. At 20%, you know, $200,000 is a lot less cars, it's a lot less liability, and a lot less places to make mistakes. I- So for me, I, I'm, I might do both. It, it would depend on, you know... I mean, 8%, if you're doing, you know, 10,000 a month, okay, I'm making 8%, that's, in my opinion, that ain't enough to survive. You know, if you're doing 100,000, you might do both. You might, you know, get coaching, improve your margins, figure out where your business is going wrong, and then while you're doing that, you might improve car count and put a few more, you know, butts in seats so that I can make 20% on more people instead of 8%. Lucas Underwood: So here, here's my perspective, okay? So, so thing number one for me here Is that you're exactly right, and my reasoning's a little bit different. I would want to fix my net and I would want to fix my gross profit- Gross Cecil Bullard: profit ... Lucas Underwood: first before I started stacking more clients in the door, because now I'm gonna have more attrition because I'm changing my model midstream as opposed to narrowing down and polishing my model right now and getting my model right before I start presenting it to more people, right? Well, then- So, so I can set the expectation early. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And if you, if you do that, you'll have happier clients that will continue- Yeah ... to use you and come back. And- Lucas Underwood: I Cecil Bullard: agree ... this is a mo- mobile programming guy, so his client is probably not, uh, like the end user. This m- he may be working with more shops. I mean, there's- Yep definitely more information I'd need in order to- For sure ... evaluate him. And, and he is- These are the five Lucas Underwood: things ... he's working with a lot of shops. Right. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And, Lucas Underwood: and I think he's doing some mobile diag too. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: But so here- But you're- ... here's the next question to that though, right? Okay. Because I think there's a lot of mobile diag guys out there, there's a lot of mobile techs out there, and, and that does lead us to that next question is, hey- Like I, I'm not... If I do a DVI, how am I gonna upsell something? Because I'm really just coming out to do the diag and program the vehicle. Cecil Bullard: Well, in, if I'm working with other shops, I'm not doing a DVI. We're, we, we are just there to fill a, a place. That's why- Yeah ... I never liked, like, uh, being the alignment guy for the 10 shops around me. Um- Yeah ... because when the car comes in, I see things that- Lucas Underwood: Wasted Cecil Bullard: opportunities ... that the customer should be talking. We, w- we need, I, I feel like- Yeah ... oh, my God, why aren't they telling the customer that, you know, your upper control arm bushings are falling out of the car, and- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: you c- I can't even align it, right? It, I, uh, uh, but it, I have different roles in, in different places. And, and if I am coming out to do programming and I'm the, I'm at the end user, the, you know, the client who owns the car, and I do a DVI, I might have an opportunity to sell additional stuff. But do I have the tools with me? You know, do I have the parts there? You know, do I have the equipment? Can I do it wherever I'm at, or do I have a place where I can take it and do it? I mean, there's a lot of additional questions and information, you know, depending on the model that you wanna build, right? I- And- Lucas Underwood: Yeah. I- ... Cecil Bullard: I don't think you should run three different models. I think you need to find the model that's gonna work the best for you, and that's the model that you wanna run, and you wanna run it as, a- as, as well as it can be run. Right? Lucas Underwood: I, I don't know anything about the mobile business, and I'm not gonna pretend to. But I, I think if it were me, right, what I would be doing is I'd be working with professional shops, and I'd say, "Hey, what I'll do, you guys get the cars you need programmed lined up. You get everything you need. In other words, do you have multiple cars that are gonna need programming? Do you have things? Try and get those all scheduled on a day for me. I'll come out, and I'll get the repairs made if you need me to do repairs. Whatever. I'll get diags done. But get me a day's worth of work," right? Cecil Bullard: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I can't be moving around. I'm losing- Exactly ... my time, and time has to be billable no matter what. So either I gotta- Exactly ... charge... If, if I'm, if I'm working with five shops in a day- And I'm traveling around I have to shop Lucas Underwood: to shop, I spend as much Cecil Bullard: time and gas money Lucas Underwood: moving Cecil Bullard: Am I charging enough? Yeah, do, am I charging enough to cover the vehicle, the, the expenses- Yeah ... the, the gas, the rent, the, uh, excuse me, the utilities, the payment, whatever, uh- Yeah you know, or... Utilities, holy smokes. You know, I bet I'm, I'm thinking one thing, and it c- what comes out of my mouth is something else sometimes. Um- Lucas Underwood: We're used to it, Stace, so it's fine. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, it's all right. Guy's losing his mind. Um- You Lucas Underwood: never had one ... Cecil Bullard: and never had one in the first place. Um, but am I charging enough? And- Yeah ... and by the way, if I'm going to one shop and I'm gonna be there all day, that cost, uh, can be less for that shop than if I'm going to five shops. If I'm going to five shops- Yeah ... I have to cover all the traveling time and all the expenses that go with it. I've gotta charge more, otherwise I only make 8% or I only make 3% or whatever. I don't make my 20%, and I need my 20%. Lucas Underwood: I, I, I think, you know, to summarize basically where we've gone with this is, is like, the, the base numbers, the 55 and the 8%, are not fixed by increasing car count. Mm-hmm. So we fix those numbers first. Cecil Bullard: Yep. Lucas Underwood: And then, like, we, we get some of that dialed in, and we get the model dialed in, we get the efficiency dialed in, and then we work on marketing to bring more in if we need it at that point. But that's, I, I, that's how I would take it. Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So imagine you were, say, building houses, and you weren't charging enough, plus you maybe weren't building the house in a correct manner. All right? Yeah. So, and I, I build more houses, I create more liability- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: that la- later I may have to go back and fix, repair, whatever. Um, I think you always wanna fix the model first. And, and there- Sure ... is a point, you know, hey, I'm a guy. I, I wanna start a business. I don't know what I don't know. Uh, I'm gonna get in there, and I'm gonna work my butt off and, and all of that, but there's a point in that where you have to say to yourself, "I want this to run well- Yeah and I want this, you know, I want... And so I need to know what it really takes to run it well, because I don't wanna work, you know, 12 hours a day, uh, in order to make the money I need to take care of my family or to- Yeah ... you know, take..." So yeah, I, I mean- A- and that, back to the... Okay, so I hope we answered that well enough, Kyle- Yeah, I think so and thank you so much. Thank you so much for that, that question. Um, and, uh, you know, back to this yes mentality, I told you I'm, I'm of both worlds, so I don't wanna tell a customer no, no matter what. Yeah. I, I really don't. But sometimes I have to say, "Yes, but..." Right? Lucas Underwood: Right. " Cecil Bullard: Yeah, we'd absolutely love to take care of that for you. However," right, "this is the situation." Uh, I always try to, um, to create some, uh, empathy, uh- Yeah ... around what's, what's going on in my world. Yeah. And, and by the way, if I get a guy that comes in who's really pissed off because at 4:00 I can't stop everything and change his oil- This is Lucas Underwood: somebody I want in my shop. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, and is that the guy I wanna work with? Yeah. And the answer is no. N- for me, the answer is- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: uh, uh, unequivocally no. Lucas Underwood: So, so many of these shop owners, okay, and, and I'm gonna be really blunt here, and I'm not talking about the Institute. You blunt? Wait a minute. Yeah, I know, right? I'm not talking about the Institute when I say what I'm gonna say, okay? Cecil Bullard: Okay. Lucas Underwood: But so many of these shop owners, they go to a class somewhere, and somebody gives them these ideas of what to do. Now, listen, I, I've been this guy. I've been disconnected from the front counter. I've been disconnected from the base, and I go to a class, and this person recommends... And, and I'm gonna tell you, why do you think coaches have got such a bad name? There's, there is a coach that, that if you go on TikTok and search his name, it's technicians cussing him. Like, every TikTok video is people just cussing this guy out, right? And it, it's, it's that they have become so disconnected from what it's like to do the job. Now listen- I think what happens is, is that owner has been struggling for a long time. I've told you about this in my personal life before, that I spent so many years fighting and just climbing and trying to get things right and dealing with the stress and the upset client and all the things, that the minute somebody was willing to walk in that front door and take that pressure off of me, I'm like, "Here you go. It's yours. Take it. Do whatever you want with it. I don't care." Right? Cecil Bullard: Like- Well, would you... I mean, if you're gonna listen to someone- Yeah ... give you advice, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Um, uh, you know, uh, am I going to do some research on that person or that company- Lucas Underwood: Absolutely ... Cecil Bullard: and, and find out- Lucas Underwood: Absolutely ... Cecil Bullard: you know, you know, what their clients are, are saying and, and, you know, where did that person get his education? You know- For sure ... what, what's the, where's the- Lucas Underwood: What's Cecil Bullard: their experience? Uh, as they said in What Are the Bona Fides, right? You know- Yeah ... um, uh, in, in whatever movie- Right ... I can't remember the title to, but, um, i- or are, are you just, uh... At one of our events, and again, I'm gonna be brutal but not name their name. Lucas Underwood: Right. Cecil Bullard: You know, last year, um, chose speakers based on the title of their thing. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and they got a- Never Lucas Underwood: actually inspected the class or anything. Cecil Bullard: They got a lot of complaints. Uh, uh- Yeah ... and I heard a lot of feedback from people saying, "Wow, I, you know, in 20 minutes I walked out of that class." Yeah. And, and so do you wanna ha- I, I'm not saying we don't wanna have new people in the industry, 'cause we do. We wanna bring new people in, but do you wanna have people that, that have no bona fides, no, no qualifications? Just, they're just basically- Well- The, the thing I hate about the internet is they're able to say, "I'm the expert on this," and all of a sudden- Exactly everybody believes they're the expert on this- 100%. Lucas Underwood: 100% ... Cecil Bullard: even though they don't have the experience. They don't- Well- ... have the, the basic knowledge to really- E- ... be the expert. Lucas Underwood: Here's my beef though, right, is like they, they can come in and say whatever they want and, and it's, it's like a lot of what's being taught in the industry right now has consequences that, that we're not paying for yet. And I believe there were a lot of things taught over the past however many years that we're paying for the consequences right now, right? Like, there's a lot of things that we're paying for that were done years ago, and this is just how the industry works, and now we're paying the price for it. We don't have any techs, and all of these problems and all this stuff's coming up, right? And so when I... I guess what I was saying about, like, they're teaching these things, but they've never been on that side of the counter. And so it's like the shop owner comes back and says, "Hey guys, we're gonna start doing this." Well, let me ask you, Mr. Shop Owner, how many years has it been since you've sat on that front counter? How many years has it been since you were the one getting the butt chewing because you did something that was shady or was... Right? Like, have you disconnected yourself from the, the experience? Have you disconnected yourself from the consumer, the advisor, the technician? So I'm gonna- Because many of the guys we teach- Cecil Bullard: Yeah Lucas Underwood: were technicians, they were advisors. And- Cecil Bullard: Yeah, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kick you in the teeth here. Lucas Underwood: Okay. I like it. Do it. Cecil Bullard: Just because you sat on the front c- on the front counter- Lucas Underwood: Mm-hmm ... Cecil Bullard: doesn't mean that you learned anything. Lucas Underwood: Of course. Cecil Bullard: So, so I think, um, like having a technician who becomes a service advisor, I would rather have a service advisor who was never a technician. Yeah, I- And I know a lot of shop owners are gonna go, "Man, you're crazy, Cecil." But there's bad habits that you learn as a tech- Yes, absolutely ... that are great habits when you're a tech, but when you're a salesperson, service advisor- They're terrible ... they're not good habits, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and so that's one thing. One thing is, okay, so you did it for 20 years. So what, right? And, and I know, you know, that's some of my bona fides. I used... You know, I- Yeah ... I did this. This is... I've, I've, I've run business, been successful, et cetera. I, I believe I've learned a lot of things that, that maybe many shop owners don't really know and understand. Here's, here's the other part of this. There are things that need to be taught to a tech that a service advisor should not be taught. Yeah. There are things that a service advisor needs to know that a tech shouldn't know, and, and there are things that a manager needs to know that are different than a service advisor, and there are things that an owner needs to know that are a, a lot different, and not all of those will, you will learn by being on the counter or by running the business, right? For Lucas Underwood: sure. Cecil Bullard: And, and listen- We... I've got guys that has, have been doing this for 30 years. I see them all the time. They come up and they're like, "Yes, I've been, I've had a shop for 30 years" and, and their business is worth $150,000 all in. And they, and they have no money. Right? A- and but they've been working at this for 30 years. Lucas Underwood: We've always done it this way. Yeah. But, but here's my point, though, is, is where I'm going with this is a little bit different. Where I'm going with this is it's been so long since you've sat on that front counter, and your policies and procedures are causing problems for the front counter that you don't even see. Cecil Bullard: I, I cannot use my policies and procedures when I was running a shop 15 years ago for a shop today. Yeah. Exactly. Lucas Underwood: Um- Cecil Bullard: Exactly ... and, and we don't teach that, you know? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: It might be a good place for you to start, because you can see what a policy and procedure should, should look like. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: But to take my policy, even my sche- the way I scheduled- Lucas Underwood: Yeah, Cecil Bullard: completely different um, uh, today, I think it's a bit different, right? I, i- it has to be modified. But- And that, another thing you want your coach to be is somewhat flexible on certain things, because- Yeah ... if they're not, they're gonna teach you what they learned 25 years ago, right? And- Well, Lucas Underwood: I, I mean, I guess my point in that, though, is let, let's, let's go back to the example given, okay? Of, hey, we're gonna have this situation where we bring this car in, and they've got a coupon, so we just wanna get the car in to convert it into a car that we can turn into a higher ARO, right? Now, I've got an advisor who's at the end of the day. Yeah. They're trying to make all of their telephone calls, they're trying to update all of their clients, they're trying to get everything cleaned up. Cecil Bullard: Once finished the 15 tickets that are going on- Exactly ... they get the money in the bank, et cetera. Lucas Underwood: Trying to make sure- Right ... the shop looks good, trying to get everybody wound down. They're, they're in the end of the day. They're phasing it out. They're getting ready to bookend the day. Plan tomorrow, right? Cecil Bullard: Right. Lucas Underwood: And now I've got a technician who's in the middle of a job, he's got an hour left, and I'm going back and I'm saying, "Hey, I need you to stop what you're doing. I need you to inspect this car. I need you to do an oil change right now. I need you to pull this thing in right now." And plus you're asking the advisor to go to that client, write an estimate for something simple, something that needs to be dealt with right now. It's a big deal to get the car to stay, and now I'm arranging a ride for this person, right? So the- Now you wanna talk about disgruntled, think about how that disrupts every single person in the shop's day. I've disrupted a porter, I've disrupted an advisor, I've disrupted a client, I've disrupted a technician. Cecil Bullard: I've disrupted my profits. Yes. I've disrupted my, my workflow. Lucas Underwood: Absolutely. Cecil Bullard: You know, one of the biggest, one of the biggest expenses in the automotive industry, the biggest cost and, and where we're losing the most money is that we do not have good workflow. Yeah. So the productivity issue, and we have a... Because of that we have a lot of techs complaining 'cause they can't get paid. If they're on flat rate and we don't have productivity, and it is the fault of the business because of our flow, um, then they got a, they got a legitimate complaint, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and what we're doing, I have a class called Stack the Deck, and what we're doing is stacking the deck against us. Yeah. We're not stacking it in our favor, Lucas Underwood: right? Right. Cecil Bullard: And so we're doing... By, by bringing that car in at the, at the last minute, we're doing everyone a disservice. Everybody. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: The, the client, the car, the service advisor, the tech that's gonna have to be pulled off, and, and we're creating kind of hatt- havoc and, and bad attitudes. Lucas Underwood: Chaos. Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and if we create, you know, bad attitude and havoc in our, and chaos in our business, then what are our results gonna be? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Okay? Exactly. And you can beat guys only so long. You know, you, you can- Yeah ... be a forceful manager and, and use the whip or the, you know, the, the prod or whatever only so long when guys say, "Uh, no more of this." It is not a long-term strategy for running a good business that's gonna last long-term and be profitable long-term. It's just not a good strategy. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Yeah. I think you're exactly right, and, and I think that that's where it comes back to me that, that if I build a workflow That is prioritizing profit over the car count, right? Because I, I don't believe in the, the high car count numbers. I- now let me tell you something. I, I had an epiphany a few years back because I was in three bays. You've seen the shop. Cecil Bullard: Mm-hmm. Lucas Underwood: I was in three bays, and it didn't take a lot- With Cecil Bullard: no ceiling. I mean, nine feet- Yeah ... or eight and a half feet or whatever. Yep. Yeah. Lucas Underwood: It didn't take that much to fill that shop, and it didn't take that much to pay that shop's bills. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And then you've seen the new shop, and I, I, I'm, I don't even have to tell you, it takes a lot to pay its bills, right? Cecil Bullard: Yes, sir. Lucas Underwood: And so I have a whole new appreciation for people who try and drive car count. Like I get it. I get it. Cecil Bullard: I had a... In the, in the class, I had a, a guy come up and he's like, "Hey, I'm just, I'm just me, and, uh, what should I do now?" And I'm like, "Well, first of all, I, I don't know enough information." Yeah. "But second of all, when it's just you in one bay, you're gonna have the least expense, but you're gonna make the most money." It's gonna be hard because, you know, you gotta be the service advisor. You gotta, you know, when you've gotta answer the phone- Yeah ... you have Lucas Underwood: to stop what you're doing- Maybe you can stack Cecil Bullard: that bank account full like that ... blah, blah, blah. But you, you can. Yeah. I also have to... Kent made a comment that, um, it requires you to hold the stick. Somebody has to hold the stick. Yeah. And my answer is, "It doesn't require me to hold the stick. It requires the stick to be held- Yeah ... and held by somebody that, that knows what, what they're holding and knows what they need to do, right?" Yeah. Flying a plane, I don't wanna put my, you know, uh, 13-year-old grandson flying a plane. He's no experience. I put the stick in his hand, we're probably in trouble. You know, I want, I want a pilot, I want Dutch at the- Lucas Underwood: Exactly ... Cecil Bullard: you know, behind the wheel, right? Lucas Underwood: Well, you know, it's funny you say that because I was getting ready to bring him up. I, I was talking to him years ago. I was really frustrated about the way the shop was going, and he said, "Son, let me tell you something" He said, "When I worked for the airline," he said, "it does not matter who flies that plane or who does what on that plane." He said, "Because I was the left seat captain, that was my job." He said, "I could let anybody I wanted fly the plane. For God's sakes, I could let a passenger fly it." Cecil Bullard: Yeah, but he- "But I Lucas Underwood: could give them- Cecil Bullard: But he's responsible ultimately for what happens on that plane ... Lucas Underwood: I could give them all the authority in the world- Yeah to fly the plane, but ultimately it was still my responsibility." Good luck. And I said, "What does that have to do with me?" He said, "You're letting a bunch of bimbos fly your plane." Yeah. Cecil Bullard: People who don't know. Lucas Underwood: Like- Cecil Bullard: That's like, that's like- You know? It's like- ... going to coaching and, and going to classes- Yeah with people who, who have a nice internet presence who don't really have the, the experience or the knowledge to really help you out. Lucas Underwood: Yeah, 100%. Cecil Bullard: You know? And, and, and- I, I see these, some of these new coaches come on and they say things and I'm like, "Well, that sounds really pretty, but-" Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: you know, it i- i- it's not meaningful or impactful. It just sounds pretty. Lucas Underwood: Right. Okay, we've got a question here. Um, Steve from Wasp Automotive: "My question is how do you decide when adding capacity, another tech, actually helps profit versus creating more chaos?" Been there, done that. It's all in the numbers. It's all in your financials. Ha- I, what do you say, Cecil? What Cecil Bullard: do you- I think, um, I think you look at your business and you say to yourself, uh, you know, like, "I've got three techs. I have one service advisor. I'm probably... My flow is now starting to get affected because one service advisor, three techs." Lucas Underwood: That's Cecil Bullard: for sure. Uh, and 11, 12 cars a day, maybe 15 if you're running a lower ARO model, and that service advisor can't talk to all those people, answer all those phones, deal with everything that's happening and make that happen. So you say to yourself- Yeah ... "Okay, um, I'm gonna add a fourth, uh, uh, tech," before you really have your service advisor stuff really set up. So, you know, I'm, if I'm adding a fourth tech, I'm, I'm certainly probably at that point adding a second service advisor. And if you're, if you're willing, if you have your systems and processes down and your shop is efficient, the, if you have a, a decent ARO, if you, if you know your inspection process and your sales process is good, then let's add a tech. But if you're, if you're adding a tech because you feel like we're, we're stacked too deep and I can't get the work out, then y- y- Yeah ... it's not the tech you need, it's the process you need. Lucas Underwood: So- Right? ... w- what I do in my shop, okay, let me give you a rundown of how I do my daily planning, my weekly planning. Yeah. Is I'm monitoring how much work we have in the shop at any given time. So I know how many hours and I know how many dollars I have in the shop, and I'm saying, "Okay, I know what my typical sales per build hour are, and does that line up with the financial model we've put in place for the shop?" And so if I'm consistently at that number, I can take my hours and I can say, my technicians should be able to turn eight hours a day. There's gonna be days they're a little bit less, there's gonna be days they're a little bit more, but if I have X number of hours and it gives me a runway, because I view this like my runway, right? Like, how far can I go? And I run this shop somewhere between five and seven days out, is, is typically where it falls, right? Yeah. I wanna have between new appointments coming in, right, because I know my average hours per repair order, new appointments coming in versus the work that I have here right now. How much work would that give me, right? And a lot of guys come back and say, "How could you judge what a new appointment's gonna be?" Because it's my average hours per repair order. That's what we always run. It doesn't go up and down hours. It goes up and down five, 10, 15 minutes. It goes up, down .1, .2. It's not a huge swing. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And so now I'm looking at the shop and I'm saying, "Okay- If that is the case and I have this much work and I'm billing this much, is the work getting done? No, it's not. Okay, well now I have an efficiency problem in the shop. Cecil Bullard: Maybe. Maybe- Okay, the work... Go ahead. Maybe it's an efficiency problem in the shop. Maybe it's a, I have too many clients and I need another tech, right? So- Lucas Underwood: Well, I guess, I guess what I'm saying though is if, if I'm in that situation, right? So if I've got that number and my number is, is each tech should be able to do eight hours a day, and I am not moving that number through the shop, and I go and I look and I find out, hey, I got four hours per day per tech, that's an efficiency problem. And by the way, that's a- Adding another tech Cecil Bullard: will not fix that problem don't hire another tech. Yeah, because now you're gonna have- Unless you- Now you're gonna have five guys doing three hours- Doing four hours a day ... or whatever. So yeah. And, and all the marketing, all the money you've spent on that and everything else- Yep ... is just gonna go by the Lucas Underwood: wayside. 100%. So- But I'm gonna maximize what I have, I guess is my point. I'm, I'm, I, it, it's ran by the numbers. There's a formula. I Cecil Bullard: think, I think if you're smart, you're always maximizing what you have. And so- Yeah ... um, you know, you're, the question that I ask every day is, is why not, right? W- why- Yeah ... aren't we? Why, why, why isn't the institute growing faster? Why are we not, uh, signing up more people? Why are we, you know, whatever, whatever it is. Because the answer to that question is the answer I need to, in order to really move my head- Yeah ... right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Sure. And, and so if you're, if you're saying, you know, I've got, um, six hours of productivity out of my s- out of my techs- And now I'm gonna hire another tech because I have too many cars. Well, m- maybe your price isn't high enough to, you know- Yeah ... maybe your price needs to be a little higher. Uh, so th- that's a way that you might manage car count. So we're booked three weeks out. Well, booked three weeks out is, is not okay, and what, what often happens is I, I have customers come in today, and they were scheduled for whatever, and then we found $4,000 worth of stuff they need, and they wanna buy it- Get bumped I said, "I can't, I can't do it today." Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So they get bumped a week and a half out, two weeks out. And then the other problem is if I'm, if I'm scheduling that way, and, and I have new people that are, that I'm... They don't know who I am. Yeah. So they're calling for a first time. I need to get those people in either today or tomorrow. Yeah. I cannot- If you wanna retain that ... schedule those people. Yeah. Otherwise, that money I spent is wasted money. Yeah. And, and so, you know, there, again, there's these balancing and tipping points in your business that if you really understand the business and you're watching the numbers as, as Ken says, you know, if you know where you're going and you're, you know, you got s- your hand on the stick, and you got the data that you need- Yeah then all of a sudden, I'm making better decisions, and so I know what to do when I need to do it. And then- For sure. Lucas Underwood: Absolutely ... I Cecil Bullard: think, I think everybody should have mentors or coaches. Uh, y- you know, mentors, uh, uh, many of... Some of those are paid because you, that's what you hired them for. Yeah. And they might be your coach, and some of those are not. I mean, you know, I'll, I'll call you occasionally for something and say, "Hey, Lucas, what do you think about this?" Because- For sure ... frankly, I look at you in s- some areas as that guy where I can call you and get some good information. Right. Um, and, a- a- I just think we have so many people in our industry that they just don't know enough about the business and how- Yeah the business runs to make the best decisions, and so they keep running into the wall. Lucas Underwood: They were really good at fixing cars, and they were really good at maybe selling service. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: But they weren't good at running the business that fixes cars and sells service. Cecil Bullard: Well, Lucas Underwood: how many- There's a d- there's a difference. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And then, you know, how, how about how do I manage these people? I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "Well, my guys won't do good inspections," or, "They won't take-" "... 20 pictures of the car," or whatever. Ah. And, and, and I'm, I'm like, part of me is, is flabbergasted, right? Yeah. Part of me is like, how, how do you have people that won't do what you need them to do, and you keep writing them a check every, every week- Yeah right, or every two weeks? And, and then part of me is, is angry, like- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: are you, are you really that dumb that you, you can't figure this out, and, and manage people, and make sure that you're getting, you know, what you need out of your staff? And, and so I, the... I'm always two people in my head, you know? I'm just always. But they keep doing the same thing over and over. Yeah. And they keep thinking they're gonna get different results. Lucas Underwood: You know- Cecil Bullard: It's insanity ... Lucas Underwood: here, here's what stands out to me, because you know I've been working at the other end dealing with- Mm-hmm ... with much younger employees, right? Cecil Bullard: Yep. Lucas Underwood: And I had one a while back come up to me and said, "I really appreciate you holding me accountable." And I said, "What are you talking about?" And they said, "Nobody has ever said to me, 'Why didn't you accomplish this thing?'" And they just acted like I was gonna be upset or was gonna be mad if somebody came and said, "What about?" And they said, "The problem was is I never knew if I was winning or losing. And so I need somebody to tell me I'm doing good or I'm not doing good- Yeah so I understand where I need to go, but that's not happening anywhere else I've been." And see- Cecil Bullard: Well, it doesn't... In most places it does not happen, my friend. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And so- Lucas Underwood: Exactly ... Cecil Bullard: you know, we, we don't have goals. I'll, I'll go into a shop and say, "Well, what are your goals for your techs? How do they win," right? "Well, uh, they do a lot of work and they don't have any comebacks." Well, first of all, not having any comebacks is ridiculous because you can't work on cars without having a comeback. Lucas Underwood: You figure that Cecil Bullard: one out, buddy. Second of all, what's a lot? What's a lot of work, right? I mean- Yeah ... a lot of work is, is 10 hours a day. I mean- Yeah ... uh, people need... If you hold people accountable, if they understand, if you're fair, meaning- Yeah ... they know what their target is, they know what they have to do, and then you hold them accountable, they're very happy. They're happier than they can ever be. Yeah. It's the people that don't have any direction, that don't know if they're winning, you know, every two years, every three years they move to another shop hoping that they can find that thing that they don't have, and the thing that they don't have is goals, targets, accountability, and winning. I mean, those are the things you absolutely have to have to be a happy human being, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: If not, it wears at you and it wears at you until what you do is you go online and you just bitch, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and so we got a lot of online complaining going on. Lucas Underwood: Yep. Cecil Bullard: Um- Lucas Underwood: The, the quickest way to a depressing life is unmet expectations. Yeah. And the only human being capable of setting your expectations is you. Is Cecil Bullard: that right? Well, and that's the other thing I think we all... You know, I, I always say, um, managers need to manage, meaning- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: you know, you... When I was a tech, I kept track of every hour I billed, okay? Now, the reason I was keeping track of every hour I billed was not because I d- I thought my company was gonna not pay me for it. The reason I kept track of every hour was because every day was a competition against yesterday. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So if I did seven hours yesterday, today I wanna do eight. And, you know, I, I, I'm competing against myself. In, in a way, part of my life has been managing myself because if somebody else- Yeah ... doesn't create the expectations for me, I create the expectations. Lucas Underwood: Amen. Cecil Bullard: Because I need the- The dopamine or whatever that comes from being successful. Lucas Underwood: Amen, Cecil Bullard: buddy. Uh, if not, at the end of the day, you watch me. I'm sitting watching TV doing this because- That's it ... I wasn't successful today, right? I di- I didn't- Yeah ... make anything happen. Lucas Underwood: Kent says, "Complaining can make the problem feel bigger it is to the point it feels insurmountable." Um, I- Cecil Bullard: Yeah, it happens all, all, all the time in this, in this industry ... Lucas Underwood: somebody told me one time that human beings can be in love with their problems. They can make their problems their identity, and so I think that Cecil Bullard: that's- Well, think, think about this. As a technician, I'm a problem solver. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Right? And problems are brought to me all day long, but all of a sudden- Yeah I become a salesperson or I become a manager, sol- creating problems so that I have problems to solve, right? Lucas Underwood: Amen. Cecil Bullard: And, you know, don't get me wrong, you'll... A- as a salesperson you'll have plenty of problems to solve. As a manager you'll have ple- plenty of problems to solve, but we have a lot of people in, in the industry that are creating their own nightmares- Lucas Underwood: Yes Cecil Bullard: and then they're living in them, and then they're complaining about them. Yeah. And, and, and my mind is like, "Okay, fix it." Lucas Underwood: Right? Exactly. Exactly. Cecil Bullard: It might not be easy. It might not be quick, but fix it. Stop doing what you're doing today. Start learning how to do something just a little bit different and, and because you keep going the same way, you keep getting the same thing. Lucas Underwood: That's exactly right. If you continue to do the same thing and expect different results, that is the definition- Is Cecil Bullard: insanity ... of Lucas Underwood: insanity. Cecil Bullard: Yes, sir. Lucas Underwood: Cecil, thank you for being here today. Cecil Bullard: Yes, sir. Well, thank you. I love these things. And- Yes, sir ... uh, thank you for those of you that participated and, uh, and asked questions, and we'll be back again soon I'm sure. Lucas Underwood: That's it. Well, I guess another month and we'll be back Cecil Bullard: here. Another month, and we'll make your head Lucas Underwood: hurt one more time. Another AMA. Yeah. Waiting to hear y'all's questions. Cecil, see you next time, buddy. Cecil Bullard: Love you, brother. Lucas Underwood: Love you, brother.

What Nobody Warns You About Shop Ownership | Andrew Klement & Caleb McElmurry - Ep 28

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOYour techs don’t need another YouTube rabbit hole—they need real answers to the problem in front of them. SWAT Training and Diagnostics brings the tech support and hands-on, virtual, and just-in-time training to help them fix today’s car and be ready for the next one - LEARN MORE HEREIn this episode, Tonnika Haynes sits down with Andrew Klement and Caleb McElmurry to dive into the realities of young shop ownership in the automotive industry. Andrew and Caleb talk candidly about their rough starts, the importance of being profitable (and actually charging the right prices), and how building a supportive community has made all the difference.Timestamps:00:00 Young shop owners introduce themselves, plant mom stories, and moving from mobile to brick-and-mortar04:36 Caleb describes his dealership beginnings, lessons from a used car lot, and why integrity matters06:35 Andrew shares his “started from the lawnmower” story, learning on the job, and meeting the right mentors12:27 Why both left bad bosses and how they leveled up their skills13:55 Building a customer base: overcoming $20 repair mindsets and finding the right clients17:15 The hardest part of moving from technician to owner—payroll, pricing, and pressure21:21 Learning to price (and value!) your work: Big mistakes shop owners make25:28 What it actually means to take care of your community—and yourself34:12 Balancing family and business: honest talk about shop life with kids39:16 The shop mistake neither will EVER repeat again43:03 Coaching, community, and why there’s no single right way to win in this business57:00 Are you building a legacy? Talking new generations and what it means for your shop1:01:50 What to know before you open your own shop (spoiler: it’s harder than you think!)1:16:10 Why undercharging and sacrificing profit is hurting everyone in the industry1:21:55 Being proud of what you’ve built—yes, you deserve that truck!1:29:12 Marketing in small towns & finding the customers who value your shop1:33:09 There’s more than one way to run a shop—and that’s okay1:39:09 Real talk: mental health, community, and lifting each other up in the industry1:44:01 Wrapping up: finding your people, making it your own, and why the journey is worth it

Building a Winning Scoreboard For Your Auto Repair Shop [RR 1098]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video EpisodeWhat if your shop operated like a championship team, where everyone knew the score and was motivated to win together?Gerry Frank, business coach and former shop owner of 35 years, joins Carm Capriotto to explain how gamification can transform an auto repair business by increasing profitability, accountability, and employee engagement. Rather than relying on pressure or incentives alone, Gerry shares a practical system that turns daily performance into a shared game built around visibility, ownership, and teamwork.What You'll LearnWhy diagnosing the real business problem is more important than applying quick fixes.How visible scoreboards create accountability and keep the entire team focused on shared goals.Why technicians and service advisors should update their own scores instead of management.Which key performance indicators matter most, including car count, billable hours, margins, and hours presented.Why aligning the front and back of the shop creates stronger teamwork and better customer outcomes.How storytelling helps employees understand the importance behind the numbers.A leadership approach that improves performance by focusing on results instead of criticizing people.Gamification isn't about making work feel like a game, it's about giving every employee clear goals, measurable results, and ownership of their performance. When leaders diagnose problems correctly, track meaningful metrics, and connect the numbers to a larger purpose, they create a culture where accountability, engagement, and profitability naturally grow. Gerry Frank, former shop owner, trainer and coach for Maverick Shop Owners Want a more profitable shop? Start with your service advisor. They are the face of your business, the voice on the phone, and the key to every approved repair. Download 'Words That Work - The Service Advisor's Complete Phone Scripts Playbook at https://serviceadvisortraining.com/ Learn more about NAPA Auto Care and the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-careNAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/SPONSOR: NAPA Auto CareConnect with the Podcast:Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collectionsBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carmThe Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto:Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion.https://remarkableresults.biz/Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z:From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life.https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the Numbers: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest.https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcast: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level.https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/The Weekly Blitz: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching.https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/Speak Up! Effective Communication: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills with Craig O'Neill.https://craigoneill.captivate.fm

209 - The Real Story of Growing an Independent Auto Repair Shop with Andy Severein

209 - The Real Story of Growing an Independent Auto Repair Shop with Andy Severein June 24th, 2026 - 01:00:41 Show Summary: Andy Severein shares how Andrew's Auto grew from a single shop into a thriving multi shop operation through coaching leadership and a commitment to continuous improvement. Jennifer Hulbert explains how understanding financials improving repair order value and developing managers helped transform the business. They discuss building a strong culture creating opportunities for employees and preparing the next generation of leadership. Their story shows that long term success comes from intentional growth consistent training and serving both customers and employees well.   Host(s): Jimmy Lea, VP of Business Development   Guest(s):   Director of Programs & Owner of Service Plus Automotive   Owner, Andrew’s Auto   Show Highlights: [00:02:29] – Jennifer shares her journey from shop owner to Institute program director. [00:06:11] – Andy explains why he purchased a struggling repair shop. [00:09:00] – Coaching revealed the business metrics Andy never knew existed. [00:11:54] – Average repair order nearly doubled through better processes and training. [00:16:00] – Profit sharing and community support became the business mission. [00:20:10] – Learning financial statements changed every business decision. [00:27:00] – Teamwide coaching fueled one million dollars in sales growth. [00:34:00] – Intentional leadership strengthened culture and employee development. [00:38:02] – A newly acquired second shop quickly doubled its repair order. [00:48:00] – Andy encourages owners to embrace coaching before opportunities disappear.     In every business journey, there are defining moments or challenges that build resilience and milestones that fuel growth. We’d love to hear about yours! What lessons, breakthroughs, or pivotal experiences have shaped your path in the automotive industry? 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If you notice any inaccuracies, please contact us at marketing@wearetheinstitute.com.   Episode Transcript:   The Real Story of Growing an Independent Auto Repair Shop with Andy Severin 06242026 Jimmy Lea: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, or good night, depending on when and where you're joining us from today. It is a gorgeous day outside. I hope you are able to go outside and breathe in some beautiful fresh air. Hey, today is awesome. Today is going to be amazing. We've got a great conversation gonna happen with a phenomenal shop owner, with a phenomenal coach and trainer from the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence. But before we get into that, let's talk about you and where you're at, and what's going on in your life. This is going to be an interactive webinar. Interactive how? In the comments section, in the questions, in the comments, put in there where you're joining us from today. Love to give you a shout-out here as we are on the live webinar. We're streaming through many different, multiple streams. Multiple live streams are going out on Facebook, and on YouTube, and on StreamYard. So we've got all these avenues that we're reaching out to the industry to, to, for us to connect, for us to come together. So drop in the comments where you're joining us from, city, state, and your shop name. Love to give you a shout-out so we can recognize everybody who is here for this live event. And it seems that everybody is shy today. Which is awesome. That's great. You know where the comment button is. When you find it, put in there your information, and we'd love to give you a shout-out here as we're on our live event. Streaming on Facebook, and on LinkedIn, and on YouTube, and on StreamYard. Oh my gosh, this is so awesome. This is so awesome. All right, for our conversation today Jennifer Holbert is here from the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence. She is a shop owner. She is a a coach, an industry coach, an industry facilitator with the GEAR Performance Group, and most recently moved into the position of director of programs with the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence. Thank you so much, Jennifer, for being here. Good morning, good afternoon. Jennifer Hulbert: Thank you. Thank you for having me. Excited to be here. Jimmy Lea: Yes. We're gonna have an awesome conversation. I'm in the good morning part, and you're in the good afternoon part. Jennifer Hulbert: I am. Jimmy Lea: 'Cause you're in New York, right? Jennifer Hulbert: I am. Northern New York. Jimmy Lea: Northern New York, awesome. How long have you been in the industry, Jennifer? Jennifer Hulbert: Ooh 25 years? Yeah, 25 years. Jimmy Lea: So you started sweeping floors when you were, like, five, six years old then? Jennifer Hulbert: Yeah, you could say that. I started filing probably when I was in my teens, but officially joined the business in 2001 when we moved to our new building and started as service advising, accounting, marketing, and then now do it all. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No, a- and you've had a long journey with the institute as well, joining as part of the GEAR Performance groups, and then moved into being an industry coach. Jennifer Hulbert: I did. Jimmy Lea: What did that... What's that short story look like for you? Jennifer Hulbert: Yeah. I was a group member in group two for about 19 years prior to the opportunity to become a facilitator with the institute. That was four years ago, and just was recently asked and accepted the director of programs position, so I'll be overseeing all of our coaching programs with our owners coaches, our service advisors, and our managers. So just in the infancy of that position right now, and we've got lots of good work to do and lots of exciting things to bring to the industry that I'm super excited to be part of. So yeah, it's been a journey. I, and I know all the things, all the positions, so as, first time coming to a meeting to being an integral part of a group process and looking at elevating our own internal groups and the members that we were talking to, including myself. So yeah, it's been quite the journey. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. And here comes a shout-out from Downshift with Tanika. "That's my coach, Jennifer." She is. Thank you, T- Jennifer Hulbert: But love Tanika ... Jimmy Lea: Tanika's with Brown's Automotive out of- Yeah ... North Carolina. Yeah. Chapel Hill. David Boy's also saying, "Hey. Yay, Jennifer." And David, are you joining from Minnesota today? Minneapolis? Are you joining from Florida today? Where is home? Where are your feet planted today? Jennifer Hulbert: He's all over the place. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No, that's awesome. That's awesome. Th- thank you for being a coach. Thank you for being in the industry. You are an inspiration f- to many. You have influenced many, and one of those people you have influenced is Andy Severin with Andrew's Auto. Andy, how the heck are you, brother? Andy Severein: Doing wonderful, Jimmy. Good to be here. Jimmy Lea: Good. Bro, you gotta sit up or something. You look... I got out... We Andy Severein: all these people back. Jimmy Lea: There we Jennifer Hulbert: go Jimmy Lea: I'm so excited to talk to you about this conversation a- as we talk about you and your shop and your business. How long have you been in the business, Andy? What does that look like for you? Andy Severein: I started in this business when I was in high school. I swept floors in a shop when I was 14, 15 years old, and got a job working there right out of... I went to Vo-Tech when I was a senior in high school and and their work work experience program puts you out in a shop halfway through senior year. So I started working there yeah, when I was 17, 18 years old, and was in that shop for, probably till I was about 25, I believe. Wow. Left the industry for a little bit, did some different things with trucks, and was learned a lot about life skills and running a business by owning big trucks. That teaches you a lot quickly. And when I got out of that, I got into the used car side of the business in inventory management, which I had my fingers in the repair side of our inventory. I was... I'd say I was a part of this industry at that part p- that point, that time, that 10 years of my life, but in a little different aspect. Yeah, most of my life I've had my hands getting dirty somewhere. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. Isn't it funny we all start by sweeping floors? Yep. We got a shout-out coming in from David Boyd. Y- you need... You're sitting low for a tall guy. Reach up there, grab your camera, p- point it down just a little bit 'cause it looks like you're sitting on the floor. Andy Severein: It's down as far as it can go. I'm sorry. Jimmy Lea: Oh, really? That's funny. All right, Da- David, you just gotta get over it, man. Don't worry about it. Hey, so you got out, you went into trucking, you came back into into a shop. Did you go directly into owning another shop, or did you get back into turning a wrench first? Andy Severein: I went into the dealership world and- Yeah ... and purchasing and inventory management. The shop that we 10 years ago we started Andrew's Auto. There was a shop that had been in business for 50 years. It's I could see it from my house. We were that close, and it was a mess. Oh, I bet. I knew the owner. I had a relationship with the owner for years, and I planted that seed at one point. If you're, when you're interested in, in, in getting out that I'd be interested in talking. And I at that point, I don't know if my interest more was in cleaning the property up because I could see it from my house and it's that bad- ... or actually being in the auto repair business. But really my experience, the relationships I had had people coming to me constantly with advice, and had people- Yeah coming to me with looking at... They were looking for advice on their cars, and they were sharing experiences with me, experiences that they had at shops. A lot of them bad experiences. So it really it really it really Made me realize that there was a need in our area for a good, honest repair shop. Yeah. So that was my drive behind it, not having any idea what I was getting into at that point. I just knew how to work on cars. That w- that was really it. But thankfully through my life I've worked for some really good people, and looking back through, all the way back to when I was sweeping floors, what I learned from each one of those employers and even my years in, in being in trucking, what I've learned from each thing really prepared me for where I am today. Jimmy Lea: Oh, Jennifer Hulbert: yeah. For Jimmy Lea: sure. Jennifer Hulbert: In a previous conversation, Andy, you said you- you've always put yourself in front of the right people. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: And I think right from an early age, that was just inherent in your personality to put you- ... in the right place at the right time, in front of the right person, to give you some of these opportunities. Andy Severein: Yep. Yep. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love that you're learning along the way. At what point as the business grew, at what point did you realize that your role had to change from being involved in everything to truly being leading the business? Andy Severein: Definitely the institute had a, big part in that. I- Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Jennifer, why are you laughing? Jennifer Hulbert: Because we've had this conversation multiple times. Andy Severein: Yes, we have. Yes, we have. So we, I worked from, it was right in December of 2016 is when we started and things went well. We were busy from day one. We grew, we added people constantly. We did our first major addition renovation to our building in the end of 2019. The the, things were going very well, but there was just so many things I didn't know. And when I I was at the Napa Expo in 2022 in Vegas and and was in one of Cecil's classes, and it just it made me realize there was just a lot that I didn't know, and things I needed to know. And w- what he said really resonated with where we were at that point in time. I had no idea. Like I said, I knew how to fix cars. I didn't know what an average repair order was. We were using Mitchell at that point, and I really paid no attention to the reports. I didn't even know what that stuff was, right? We were just using Mitchell so we had a platform to give people invoices. So it taught me right away some of the, key indicators to, to look at, and I thought, "Whoa. We have a long way to go here." Jimmy Lea: Wow, and by that time you had already been six years in the business. Andy Severein: Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: And- Yep wow, there comes an eye-opening experience. Interesting. That's awesome. What, what- So from that point, you decided, "Oh my gosh, we've gotta change, we've gotta grow, we've gotta develop." What, at what point did you decide, "Hey, you know what? I need to really look at this coaching and training business. I really need to hire me a coach." What did that look like for you? Andy Severein: What drove that and what's still driving me today, I know I'm getting into the future there, but this business, I started it with my son on day one, and the intention of him taking this business over, I hadn't really put a timeframe on when that would happen, but it I think I realized that I need to make this a well-functioning successful business before I hand it over to him. So that, that was really what, resonated to me at that point. "Hey, we have a long way to go." So that that was, why we made some significant changes there right away and adapting to those changes is hard. I tell people that all the time. Being told, "Hey, your ARO should be this," and you think, "Oh my goodness, how are we ever gonna get from $350 to..." I believe our first goal was $550- ... if I'm not mistaken. And, we were inching- And I- ... inching to 500 and all of a sudden it was like maybe we ought to look at things a little different." Now at 600, I'm thinking, "Oh, my goodness." Jennifer Hulbert: I can remember one of those early conversations of, Jen, everyone's talking about this 850, $900 average repair order but you don't understand, my, my customers are different." Andy Severein: "My Jennifer Hulbert: customers aren't going to accept that because I live in an area of the country where we're completely different." And it wasn't until we started to break it down and Andy, you took a really a hard look at understanding the KPIs. We had a lot of discussions on what they meant, what the formulas were, how they're impacted, and that I think opened your eyes to say, "Okay we can do this with a better and a more thorough DVI, and some sales training for our advisors, and a different marketing strategy and conversations with our customers." So I, I was joking with Jimmy before we started this that's typically the first conversation that we as coaches get is, "Oh, wait a minute, you don't understand, my customers are different." And what we've found is what most people realize is no, they're not. They're, they're- ... Jennifer Hulbert: They will respond to the presentations and the information that you're going to give them. And I have some statistics in front of me. In 2022, your average repair order was $367. End of last year it's 732, and I think this year we're knocking the $800 range. So again- ... with some systems, process changes, ideology changes, training, this is exactly what's possible. Andy Severein: Yep. Jimmy Lea: Absolutely. So I have a coaching question for you, Jennifer. How often- are shops coming to you as a coach or you as a facilitator and singing the exact same song that Andy was singing? Jennifer Hulbert: Often. I would say probably 90% of the time. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: And it's because we're fed, there, there's a lot of noise out there. There, there's a ton of noise of what the industry should be. There, there's news articles there's all kinds of news report of what our industry's reputation is, and it's not positive. So we look at this differently. We wanna educate our customers on what's best for you and your vehicle. Nowhere in our sales process that we teach at the institute or that we coach is a hard sales process. We're gonna look at your situation, your vehicle. We're gonna be open and honest about everything that we see, and then work a plan that's gonna work for you. Andy Severein: I Jennifer Hulbert: love that. So when you address it with honesty and true humility, it, it becomes a different conversation than one of a hard press sales, and I'm gonna sell you services that you don't need. It... That, that's not what we do. That's not the integrity of the institute, that's not the integrity of the coaches, and that's not the integrity of the shops that we work with. So a lot of times it's you don't know what you don't know. True. So you don't understand the power of a DVI process. You don't understand the power of an actual structured sales process. And that's exactly what Andy started to realize, and then really took a deep dive in, is, "Okay, I see things differently now, and I can see where we're benefiting our customers from doing this." "So I'm gonna put all the effort into training staff and making sure that we're starting to work towards those different key performance indicators." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Andy, did you feel called out, just Tanika? She's wondering if this is a setup. She feels like she's being called out right now. Did you feel like you were being called out, Andy? Andy Severein: No. I would say not. No? No Jimmy Lea: When you were first starting, you didn't feel like you were being called out, you didn't feel like you were being spotlighted. And you know what? Now let me tell c- build up a little bit more, clarify a little bit more. I enjoy the process that we have at the institute where we're here to meet you where you are as a business and as a shop owner- Yeah and we're going to start from there. What does it take to run your business? What kind of business do you want to have? 100%. Now- Okay. If that's- Yeah, I do ... the kind of business you wanna have, these are the steps we need to take to get to that business that you wanna run. As opposed to a rubber stamp that says, "Follow this process, procedure, and you'll be successful." Okay you don't understand my clients or my customers Jennifer's laughing 'cause yeah we're gonna meet you where you are. What, how do you wanna run your business? What do you, what does success look like for you? 'Cause Andy, your definition of success might be different than Jennifer's, might be different than mine Andy Severein: Sorry, I dropped out with just a moment there. It was just about a five-second window where I had s- Jimmy Lea: For just the most important Andy Severein: point ... in the meat of that, I lost you. Jennifer Hulbert: He- he was saying what success is to you is not the success to someone else. And I'll use something that's very important to you, and that is compensating your staff very well with your profit sharing plan- and your community involvement and sponsorships. So Andy and I have had the conversation of the effects of that on his, to overall net profit- ... but that's his why. He wants to give the best financial outcome to all of his staff based on their efforts towards their success with a profit sharing plan. And then be a very good leader financially in the community to, to support those organizations that are supporting him. And that's much different than my why, and that's gonna be much different than Tanika's why as well. So we've looked at what's important to you in creating that profitability level so you can carry out that why. Andy Severein: Yeah. Absolutely. That why is something that we've figured out over time. We didn't realize going into it what our true why was. I just wanted to build a race car. I thought, "Hey, I have a shop. I can deduct all these parts and, it'll be great." And it took a few years of doing this until we figured out what our true why is, why we're here, and it's awesome. I love that. I'll back up just a minute, though, Jimmy, to your question, if I felt called out, and maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, but I'd probably share with the people that are listening that are thinking about coaching no. I went in there new to everything that was happening, and I never felt called out, put on the spot "Look at this guy." The group has been awesome from the first time I was there with helping me to feel comfortable and share their, their struggles and successes. I never felt called out in a way that I was uncomfortable. And I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but hindsight, that's what I was thinking. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. No. That's exactly it. You weren't called out in an embarrassment point of view, but you were- No ... enlightened into, "Oh, wow, these are some things that I can do. These are the steps I can take and need to take so I can run the business the way I want to." I love that. That's awesome. Now, question for you here about pricing and parts and parts GP and labor rates. This can be very emotional for shop owners. This is an emotional subject. What helped you move from being emotional about these topics and these subjects to becoming more logical in those areas? Jennifer Hulbert: Besides peer pressure. Jimmy Lea: Peer pressure is positive. It can be. Andy Severein: Definitely that emotional attachment that, that, as shop owners you have that. When you're working in the shop, you're, you're turning the wrenches you're hands-on with the vehicles, you're talking to the people at the customer. You're talking to the customers at the counter, and there's people you've known forever, and you know their, their families and their financial situations. There's a huge emotional attachment to that, and it's not bad. Yeah. But it definitely it, it definitely is a hindrance to the growth and success of a business, and I... It took me a while to, to learn and understand that. And it's still why I stay away from the the counter, and the, the service advisor role is so important, and I realize that. I'm so blessed to have the people we have now that are really good at what they do, and they get it. They understand. They're coaching with the APT programs, and I keep putting plugs in for you, but it's been very powerful for us. But overall the growth of the business is dependent on that, so we... I've learned to just stay away Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. Andy Severein: I, of course. Jimmy Lea: You know your strengths and your weaknesses. Go ahead, Jennifer. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: I think you also had an understanding of the overall effect o- of what a labor rate increase will do. So that impacts labor gross profit, which impacts your total GP, which impacts your overall net profit. So- ... when we first started to talk about what is your why, and that you wanted it to input this profit sharing and your community involvement we need- those net profit dollars to be able to do that. And we get those through parts and labor GP. So no, it's not just a 10 or a 15% or 10 or $15 labor rate increase, it's going to overall impact that labor GP, which will help the net profit, which is gonna allow you to do what you want to do. Andy Severein: Absolutely. Yeah, that's so true. Absolutely. Yeah, being in the upstairs your knowledge teaching me initially how to read my P&L. I'd never looked at a P&L. When I started to enroll, I didn't even know how much money we had in the bank. I didn't care. Yeah. Bills were being paid, it was great. But now the composite reporting, which was really hard for me, and you remember that, it was super hard for me in the beginning. And now I'm I'm not gonna say I enjoy doing it, but I see the I see the... I do enjoy doing it. I enjoy the results of it. But the the understanding of how we're getting to net profit and why that net profit is so expensive is so important, Yeah that- It's critical ... that's not being downstairs, but w- my offices are upstairs staying up there and keeping an eye on that is is, it's been my the key to, to, to the growth here. Absolutely. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: And let's break this down for those that are watching that don't understand what a P&L is. They hear the word all the time. They hear P&L. This is your profit and loss, pro- P&L, profit and loss. Most shop owners will look at their P&L, they really don't understand it. They're looking for that last number. Is it red or is it black? If it's black we know we're good, we know we're making money. If it's red We're losing money, and that's what the understanding of most shop owners are. At the institute, we also have a financial intensive that helps you as a shop owner to understand how to read the entire P&L, how to get it set up properly with your accountant so that you are getting the right and correct information when you need it most. And a P&L should not take months and months for your accountant to put together and g- and- No ... deliver to you. W- what's the average? How long should it take, Jennifer? Jennifer Hulbert: To, for, to start to make changes? Jimmy Lea: Oh, no. J- In order- Hey, Mr. Accountant or Mrs. Accountant, I would like my P&L. Jennifer Hulbert: You should get that once a month. M- minimally, I would say, our require- our reporting requirement is by the 20th of the month. So you should be getting that by the 15th or the 18th from, for the previous month from your- ... accountant or your bookkeeper. Jimmy Lea: So if you're only getting a P&L once a year, you may wanna either ask for more and get a better understanding, or m- perhaps you need a different- accountant. So if you need a different accountant, we know a guy. Come talk to us. We know a guy. Jennifer Hulbert: We do. Yeah. We do. A- Yeah ... and it, knowing where you're at from a profitability standpoint tells a tenth of the story. So where do we need to put our focus? Yeah. Is it in gross profits for parts? Is it in gross profit for labor? Is it in expense control? Because, so many times- ... we have a lot of members who have really good gross profit percentages, but they're not controlling their expenses and they eat away, their profitability that way. Yeah. We break down our expenses into, what, 30 categories probably, 35 categories individually, and have benchmarks for individual expenses. So th- that's what our owner coaching and our group process does, is we- ... we focus on not only systems and processes within your shop, but the understanding of your financials, so you know- ... which specific areas to target and to make some improvements on. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: And Andy, that's where I credit you because th- we had some, many meetings where he's "Jen, make me understand this. I really need to understand how all this works together," and we probably worked for six months- ... u- until you had that understanding and now you do, and, your profitability is, has increased ex- ... quite a Andy Severein: bit. Jimmy Lea: That's awesome. Yeah, and I think there's a lot of shop owners that are out there that are just like you, Andy, that are in that same position that says, "I don't know what I don't know, and this is definitely one area that I need to know more. Help me understand it." And you dig into it, and you dig into it, and you dig into it and the more you learn, the better you are. Our last financial intensive, I think we had 40 plus people here at, in Ogden at the financial intensive. So next April, if you're wanting to understand your income statement and your profit and loss and your balance sheet, come here to the institute. We've got a phenomenal program for you. You definitely want it. Whoa, that was cool. Now, oh, Raleigh. Props, dude. That was your dr- that was mic drop. Scan the QR code. Get in on our next financial intensive. Yes, that is going to be awesome. We'd love to have you here, y- and you will learn tremendous amount. I want to go back to another acronym you dropped out on, on everybody here. You mentioned the APG. N- our industry is full of acronyms. APG stands for the Advisor Performance Group, and that's with the institute. So Andy, you have your advisors in the program right now? Andy Severein: We do. Jimmy Lea: What have you seen with your advisors? What's the change that they've gone through? Andy Severein: Probably the biggest thing I've ... The biggest thing I appreciate that I that I'm getting directly is, their understanding of the numbers that they're achieving and ... But also, the way the program's put together, allowing them to see the big picture of what the business looks like, what it should look like, what it could look like, whatever your circumstance is. But doing that from a different perspective than myself talking to them, I think allows them to grow. And it's one thing for me, for an owner, for somebody to say something to somebody, but when they're hearing from an actual coach, it's like, "Hey, that guy's not just full of hot air. He knows what he's talking about." Now that's been powerful, but aligning all of our people, Yeah ... through those different programs has been really powerful for us. And that growth that we've really seen in the last, what, year or so I can directly attribute to, and I'll drop another acronym, the MPG program, as well as the APG program. Jimmy Lea: So what's the MPG? Andy Severein: The Manager Performance Group. Yep. We have two managers here now, Nate and Brian. My son, Nate, one of them. They just got back from Utah. We've been so busy, we haven't ... We've done some quick debriefs, but we haven't had time to really sit down and put everything together that that I brought back from the group five meeting last week, or the week before last, and then they came back from Utah with their normal plane delays. ... Oh, no. Jennifer Hulbert: Dang. Andy Severein: But they made it. Jennifer Hulbert: And let's talk about what that growth looks like. So in 2023, you ended the year at 2.1 million. 2025, you ended a million dollars up at 3.1. And you- you've entered the managers and the advisors into the program along with working in the owners of- Yep your performance group program. But like you said, you've aligned your entire staff in the direction that you want to take it- ... with training and opportunities and information of to align to that direction. So just you talking to your staff and coming back from one of the GPG meetings, Gear Performance Group meetings- A- and it's like them trying to absorb what your understanding of the training is- Versus now I'm getting it from a coach who is aligned with that ideology, and now we're gonna move everyone in the same direction. So I think for you, Andy, that's been the biggest change. Now, has it cost you some money? Yes. Coaching is not free. Sometimes, people say, "I want cheap coaching." You get what you pay for. That's what you get. And you're gonna get the results that you pay for. A 30%, 32% increase in two years in sales is the... you could attribute that directly to the coaching. And again I know this sounds like a sales presentation for the institute. It, it's not meant to be that way. I just know that Andy and I have had these discussions over the past three years of how, what can I do to improve? And because- ... you have dedicated the time and the energy to some coaching programs, you've got some very good results. Now, you've set some of that standard. I expect X out of you, service advisor, from a gross profit and an average repair order- ... and an effective labor rate standpoint 'cause you've held those standards high- ... and communicated those expectations, which is also very important for results. But y- you've done a very good job at communicating what the expectation is, and then your team has followed up with those results. Andy Severein: Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: I love it. Y- there's, the saying is you were talking about the expense of training. Training is so expensive. What what if I train my guys and they leave? What if you don't train them and they stay? Andy Severein: Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Andy, have you ever had a situation where you've trained someone and they left? Andy Severein: I have not. We have very little turnover So that's Jimmy Lea: the benefit of training today, is your people will stay. Andy Severein: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No, we have very little turnover of people. In fact, I think there was only one advisor I had that was, he was here for a short period of time and he had come from managing an entire operation and had another opportunity to go back to what he had been doing. So I don't fault him at all. So he's the only person that I had in training and I hope that the things that he learned, he can take into his future. So- Jimmy Lea: Yeah ... Andy Severein: great guy. Yeah. He's a great guy. Oh, Jimmy Lea: I Jennifer Hulbert: totally agree. And let's talk about why your staff stays. What makes you different from some other shops that have some high turnover? And, and- Yeah ... we've talked about this. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Well- What are you Andy Severein: doing, Andy? Jimmy Lea: Is it pizza on Friday? Andy Severein: Wednesdays. Wednesdays. And we try not to do pizza too much. That really gets old, right? We have a big old grill here. I like to make food and do different things. But we really try to take care of our people in many different ways, not just, in their, problems that are going on in their life. We try to speak into their lives as, as much as we can and just be there for them. And, they're our family. We s- we spend more time with the people that work for us than anybody else. I'm careful who I allow into that family. And I feel we've done very well. In fact, we had somebody start here just recently, and his comments are just like every person I've heard in the past. Everybody here just gets along. Everybody helps each other. It's it's, it makes me... i'm really happy of that, and I'm really happy about that, because that's what I want. I wanna treat our guys really well. I want them to be excited about what they do, try to keep them motivated and and try to... My goal has always been to try to have a place that the word on the street is, "Hey, you wanna work for this guy, because they'll really take care of you in every way, not just pay." So it's extending a lot of grace regularly, that's that's part of it. Managing that grace can be tough. But but we... it's a blessing overall. It really is. We have a great staff of people here. Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. I love it. And what those people are talking about is the company culture, the culture that you have created in your company. They're j- it's, they're just so impressed by it, that this is a great company culture. So I... That doesn't happen by accident What are you doing today as a leader that is different than what you were doing three years ago, four years ago, five years ago? What are you doing different Andy Severein: I can't- honestly don't know if I'm really doing anything different. I hope I'm not, actually. I've always tried to connect with everybody regularly and just, listen to their needs and keep an open atmosphere that they can come to us with whatever's going on, if it's a problem at home or just, bumped into another car in the parking lot, don't be afraid to come to us with anything. And I... so to answer that, yeah, I don't feel like I'm doing anything really differently. I have the help of my wife now. She's a huge part of it. She was here in the beginning for the first five years, and she was working the front desk and it wasn't quite five years. It might've been three or four years and she just couldn't do it anymore. It was way over her head. She's a people person. And she had an opportunity to go work in a restaurant for some friends, which she took, and that opened the door for my, my, my front desk guy, Jimmy, to come in here. Jimmy's just an awesome person. He's just a light. He's always smiling. He's a lot like you, Jimmy. He- Jimmy Lea: It goes with the name. That's, Andy Severein: that's- You're both Jimmy. But yeah, Lori came back here in the beginning of '24, I believe. Nice. And she's been here a little over two years now. I convinced her that her skills, while she was much appreciated at the restaurant, the effort that she was putting in there would be would be very beneficial to us and our staff as we grow here. So she is a huge part of it. Plays Jimmy Lea: defense. Yeah. Jennifer, what are you seeing that Andy does different today? And by the way, Andy, you're constantly improving, so to say you're not doing anything different, it's not exactly true, because that constant improvement- ... is changing and you are becoming better. Andy Severein: True. Jimmy Lea: That's true. So as Coach, what are you seeing different that Andy does today that he didn't do when you first met? Jennifer Hulbert: I would agree with him. I think, hi- his heart i- is in the right place in wanting to do- Totally agree ... what's best for his staff. So that's just who, Andy, you are. I think today you're a little more intentional with that I- in some of the conversations and, interactions with the staff from discussions that we've had. I'll give you a recent example that they've just acquired their second shop months ago. Andy Severein: A couple weeks, three, four weeks ago. Yeah, beginning of May we started. Yep. Jennifer Hulbert: And the advisor there, they're looking to, w- we're gonna look to bring her to the service advisor intensive that's happening right now. She's never- Yeah ... flown before, so Lori says I'll go with you." I will join you on the plane. I will go to Utah with you. I will, get you all set up, make sure that you're completely just at peace with this. But that's who Andy and Lori are. So to say- Love it ... that they've done a lot different I would agree with you, Andy. I don't think you have. I just think you're a little more intentional- Yeah ... w- with it today than you may were three or four years ago. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Andy Severein: Yeah. More clarity. Jimmy Lea: See, Andy Severein: and Jimmy Lea: That's to the core of who you are. That's to your heart. Your heart has always been in that right place. And that constant improvement are things that you're doing, the things that happen, you don't, probably don't see that you're doing it. But a coach, someone on the outside looking in would say, "You know what, Andy? You are becoming much more intentional. You are having these great conversations. Your heart has always been there," and it's something that you don't see because it's second nature to you, Andy. But a coach is gonna go, "Hey, you know what? This is unique. This is s- this is special. This is awesome that you do this." That's pretty cool. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: That's pretty good. So what is the future? You just added a second shop. Does that mean that there's a third one, or is it too soon to ask? Andy Severein: I've planted the seeds for the third one. I did that a while ago. That might have been the second one, but this one just kinda flew in there quickly. But it's in a neighboring shop. I can see it. It's just one, two- Two buildings over? ... two buildings away. So they were our closest- Wow ... competition. Jimmy Lea: Wow. Andy Severein: Interesting. So we had the opportunity to buy that. The owner was was wanting to retire, and hap- wanted to make it happen quickly, so he we were able to work a deal out there. I acquired all of his employees and and, it's been a, it's been really good so far. We- I'm really excited about where that is and I've said this to Jennifer to take a business that has not been run well for years and apply, what we've learned we- we've learned and applied it here slowly to try to apply it to a business like that is, it's a pretty exciting challenge. And, seeing that ARO, it was 200-some dollars when we started it and I think we're substantially over that. We haven't advertised it yet. The building needs a lot of work, and we- we're looking forward to doing that work over the coming weeks and months. So we're really excited of what the possibilities are there. We really just needed some overflow, honestly. We're almost at capacity here where we are, and having a little bit of of option for more base space to send some work over there, customers we can't help in our time, in their timeframe with our busy schedule to be able to capture them is high on my priority list of what to do, love it. Always kinda looking for ways to, looking ahead to, what is our next, next, way to grow. To have... If there's more shops I don't know if that's- If that happens, fine. I'm, I've no problem with that. I'm not focused on that. I wanna... I still see a tremendous amount of improvement we could do where we are, and we'll try to, we'll try to continue to focus on that. But our pattern's been about every three years we do, what's the next step? 2023 we did a pretty large addition to be able to handle heavier pickup trucks and the dually trucks, construction pickup trucks. We were doing a lot of that stuff, so we put an addition on there. So here we are three years later, buying another shop. That's our that's- this is the next step and, what's the next in three more years? That's been our pattern. We've got some ideas, Jimmy Lea: Oh, I love it. It- What's gonna come in 2029? That's, you Andy Severein: got to be sweating. Jimmy Lea: Exactly. Andy Severein: Exactly. Oh, that's awesome. Got some pre- got some pretty cool ideas. We'll keep focused keep focused on what could happen there and work towards that goal. Jimmy Lea: Yeah, for sure. I- is it too soon, or can I ask this? You only bought this other shop at the beginning of May, so we're looking at six, seven weeks, eight weeks now that you've- owned the s- the second shop. $200 average repair order. Where are you now? In a very short time period, has it increased significantly, or are you still hovering in that 2 to $300 range? Andy Severein: No it's climbed. I think we're in the $400 range right now. I'm sorry, I haven't looked at that lately. I just realized- Yeah ... as you're asking me that question. So we've about- Yeah ... doubled that. Jimmy Lea: Doubled it in less than six weeks. Andy Severein: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Implementing proper process, procedures. You intro- did you introduce a DVI program to them? Andy Severein: We did. Yep, introduced that. So that's been good. That's a... W- we're trying to... We have-- There's so many customers there that were the customers that that you don't want, that, we're trying to get rid of 'em. They, you tell 'em what their car needs, they take it home and fix it, and then bring it back and get an inspection sticker. We have state inspection here in Pennsylvania, an annual inspection, so that's a huge part of what we do and so yeah, that's been... working those customers out of our system is the goal here. Make way for good customers. And we've really seen a, an upturn just in the last few weeks of busyness. So it's it's exciting. Jimmy Lea: Oh, that is exciting. That's awesome. Congratulations. So a- as we, we look in towards the future here what leadership skills are you working on today To help you strengthen yourself, strengthen the business as you continue to grow, what are you working on yourself or the business in your leadership realm? Andy Severein: Oh, goodness. I'd love to say that I read a book a week or even a book a month, but that doesn't happen. I, and I could I, probably said it to Jennifer and I'll say it again. What we're doing in the GPG groups right now is so good. What we just did in the group five meeting in Indiana the other week our two main presentations are things that are so relevant to me right now, and that's, defining where in the business, where we need to be and what those roles are, and focusing on those things. That's, it, we're... i, it's funny I still struggle with basic things sometimes it feels even what my roles need to be, but that clarity is huge to me, and we're really, as a, we as our mana- myself and the managers really, working on that stuff. But, I'm, I personally, a- and I'll radiate where I started in, in this business, my goal almost from the start was to work my way out of this and create an opportunity for my son to move into which will probably at this point looks like it'll be my son and Brian together, the two managers. And presenting opportunities for them is exciting to me. They're both going to the to Michael Smith to the leadership- Leadership intensive ... in Washington, DC. Oh, yeah. There's another plug. You'll see the thing come across the bottom of the screen right now. Yeah. But Jimmy Lea: it's not- Leadership intensive in July in Washington, DC. Is that the one? That, oh! There it is. Look at that. There Andy Severein: it is. Oh, Mike Johnson. Jimmy Lea: There it is. Yeah, Raleigh, way to go, brother. He gave me a thumbs up. Andy Severein: But I did that course two years ago, I think it was in Ogden, and I really feel like I could do it again 'cause I'm at a I'm... I've learned so much in two years, but I'm really happy to be able to give those guys the opportunity to do that, to let them grow. Because I look at this now as "Hey this is gonna be for you to run." Yeah. And I want them to outperform anything I've ever done. I just wanna set the stage for them to be able to hit the ground running. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. And attending another leadership intensive, you're gonna learn even more because you've had two- Andy Severein: Yeah Jimmy Lea: years of runway under your belt that you have learned and developed and grown. Now when you attend it again, you have such a solid foundation. Now you're ready to build that building. You're ready to build upon what you've already learnt, implemented, discovered, rewrote as your truth tapes. You know what those next steps are gonna be, and y- you'll go to leadership intensive. You, your brain will still melt, we'll still have to pour it back in your head because of the learning that will happen And now the development and growth you'll have for the next year as well will be just tremendous. So Andy- ... Jimmy Lea: Get to the DC, get to the leadership intensive. You need to be there Andy Severein: I'll consider that. Jimmy Lea: That's a good idea. Yeah, take that into consideration. Anybody that's watching this as well, and you see it go back to that QR code, get into that Leadership Intensive. It really will change... thank you. It really will change the way you think about yourself, about your business, about your life- Yeah about why you think the way you think, and then you can help to discover why other people think the way that they think. Andy Severein: Absolutely. Jimmy Lea: Oh, so powerful. So powerful. Jennifer Hulbert: And one, one of the things that I really wanna point out to the listeners is, typically when we have a new client coming into our individual coaching program is they see people like Andy, and they're intimidated. But hearing Andy's story, that he started off, fixing cars in a very small shop himself, building it to now a multi-shop owner, not having to be an integral part of the day-to-day of the business because he has put people in the right seats, grown the business to a level that you can have a mid-tier manager- it's totally doable. Now, does it require blood, sweat, and tears? Absolutely. I own a shop. I was a service advisor for two years full time. You don't get to this point without going through some of those steps, but it is doable. A- and- Yeah ... sitting saying I only have 500 or $600,000 in sales this year," that, that was Andy at one Andy Severein: point. Jennifer Hulbert: And, now we're in a completely different scenario because of the changes and the improvements and the attention you've put to these improvements and your leadership style. So I, I get a lot of new members and I was actually at a group two member, or group two meeting a couple weeks ago, and then had a meeting with a member, and, she said, "Jen, you don't understand what we come back to because you have two managers in your shop." And I said, "Hold on a minute. I was you 15 years ago." So i- it does take time, and it does take attention but it is totally doable, and we can take you from opening your own shop, I have two members who had, have started to work with us prior to even purchasing their shop, to now owning their shop, to becoming a multi-shop owner. So the, all of those steps and processes we have the ability and the knowledge and the training and coaching to fill all of those steps, but it is a process. Yeah. You're not gonna go, from Andy opening your shop to $3.1 million being pretty much a hands-off owner in two years. It- ... had taken 10 or 14 to do Jimmy Lea: that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You... If you keep doing what you've always done, you're gonna keep getting what you've always got. You- Yep ... you've gotta do something to change. And so Jennifer, to this specific scenario, a shop owner that you would have worked with that they went from a bucket and a wrench and a computer to multi shop owner what did their timeline look like? So maybe others who are listening can go, "Oh you know what? In six years, I'm gonna be six years older. I'm either gonna be still with a bucket and a wrench, or I can invest in myself and improve." What's that look like? So Jennifer Hulbert: the timeframe differs be- because of this. So it's your ideology, it's your mentality, it's where do you want to go and how are you going to take the steps to get there? We can give you the information. Again, one of the reasons I've suggested Andy being on this podcast is because he's done a lot with the information to get to where he is today. So if you enact it if you take it home and you actually implement some of the things that we talk about, you're gonna move much faster than someone who is, "You don't understand, my customers are different." Jimmy Lea: Yeah. Jennifer Hulbert: Two, two totally different types of shop owners. That's true. So I would say the timeframe is different for everyone, but five, six years to go from small to large, Maybe Yeah ... if I had to put a timeframe on it. Jimmy Lea: And I think you hit on the two elements that must be implemented in every situation. You talked about the attention. You've gotta give it attention. You've gotta give it the attention it needs because it doesn't happen by accident. It needs to be it needs your attention. And the second one is that you have to be intentional- Yes ... about what you're doing. Yes. If you don't know what you're doing, you could wander in the forest and be walking in circles because you don't have that compass. Compasses were created before time, before clocks. Why? Because we needed to know where we were going. So compasses are more important. You need a coach, you need a direction, you need some help to make sure you make- Jennifer Hulbert: And some accountability. That, that's what the premise of our whole GPG program is. Is it's not only the facilitator and the coach holding you accountable, you're being held accountable by a group of your peers. Jimmy Lea: Yes. Jennifer Hulbert: Yeah. Jimmy Lea: Yes. So if you're listening to this and you are the shop that's at that 500,000 or 600,000, let's start that journey together. We can do this. We can do it together and make it happen for you that in four, three, four, five, six years you're having the same conversation with somebody else who's doing a podcast to talk about your success story, and it's gonna be similar to what Andy has. Andy, final question from me and then Jennifer, a question from you for Andy if you want to pipe in here. And in fact, I might have two. My first question is gonna say what advice would you give another shop owner who is thinking that there's gotta be a next level? Andy Severein: There absolutely is, and I can say from experience to figure out what that level or what your goal is, what do you want to achieve and how can you achieve that? It, it-- That's true to anything in life, but it's having the understanding or the understanding of what tools you can use to, to get yourself to that point. Once again, in my case, it was I wanna work my way out of a job, what does that look like? And but certainly doable, with some input, some coach. People, most shop owners that I've found are pretty close-minded, don't wanna be told what to do. You know- ... they're doing it great, don't tell me. And that's why I was at an auction earlier today for a shop that closed down because, they just choose to just do the same thing they always did, and at the end of the day, they got nothing left. No business and just a bunch of tools to sell Jimmy Lea: Wow ... Andy Severein: doesn't have to be that way. Doesn't have Jennifer Hulbert: to be Andy Severein: that way at all. No way. Nope. Jimmy Lea: No. No. Yeah. They're getting pennies on the dollars for those tools and assets. Jennifer. Jennifer Hulbert: I don't think I have a question for you, Andy. I, and you're a pretty humble guy, and I want you to really hear this, so thank you for being an industry leader, and thank you for setting the tone and the example of what success can really look like. And, I hope you're an inspiration to those who are watching and listening to this because you've done exactly my why. My why is to help elevate individual shop owners, and because of your attention and intention to the information that we've been discussing you've climbed to that level. So I want you to really hear that you are an industry leader, and I thank you for being here, and thank you for being a part of the institute. Andy Severein: Yeah. Thank you. That means a lot to me. I certainly don't see myself that way. I I still hear Parker Branch telling me maybe two years ago, "With a few changes, you'll pass me." I'm like, "Yeah, whatever" Jennifer Hulbert: You're getting close Andy Severein: You are Jimmy Lea: getting close, yeah. Andy Severein: Yep. By the end of 2027 when shop number two kicks in, watch out, Parker. Jimmy Lea: You'll join him in that million dollar net club. Yeah. Andy Severein: That's the plan. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. That's the plan. Yep. Yep. All right. One final question coming from Tanika and then a final question from me. Did you get any pushback from your technicians, the technicians you acquired implementing a DVI program, changing their process, procedure, moving their cheese? Andy Severein: Honestly, if you're asking about the shop we just bought- No? ... not a whole lot because they knew that their leadership was terrible. They knew that there was better way to do things. They're a neighboring shop. They saw our parking lot full of cars all the time and their parking lot empty, right? So- Jimmy Lea: Ouch. Yeah ... Andy Severein: that was, for them to be shown How we do it. They understood right away that it worked. They knew that. So it's, it is it's been... Certainly has its challenges, but it hasn't been hard at all. Teaching them the processes has really been the hardest thing, but the understanding, the knowledge of it the knowledge of, the why we're doing it I don't wanna say it's one of the easier parts of taking over that business, but I think it has been. Jimmy Lea: It kinda sounds like it. It sounds like they were definitely primed and ready for you to step in there and take over. Andy Severein: They were all really hungry, yeah. They knew that our leadership was bad. I don't know why they didn't all quit and walk Jimmy Lea: out. Yeah. No, congrats, man. That's awesome. All right, last and final question. Years from now, years down the road, don't know what that number is w- what do you want people to say about your shop, about your team, and about the owner who built it all? Andy Severein: Boy, I, I hope it's, I hope it's what our goal's always been, and that's that we are just awesome people, trustworthy give back to the community, the same things we've always been. I I hope that can be our legacy here. Jimmy Lea: Yeah. For sure. I hope so as well 'cause you are awesome people. Andy Severein: Yeah. Thank you. Yes, Jimmy Lea: they are. Andy Severein: You guys are too, so that means a lot. Jimmy Lea: Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for everybody who's listening. If any of this has sounded interesting or information that you wanna pursue even further, get out your cellphone 'cause as soon as we go to credits, there is a QR code. Let's meet. Let's talk. Let's sit down and review your business. What can we do to help you? Our goal, our core, is to help build a better business for you to... which results in a better life for you, which our intention is to build a better industry. So we are all about building a better business, a better life, and a better industry. With that, my name is Jimmy Lea. I'm with the Institute for Automotive Business Excellence, and thank you. Thank you, Jennifer. Thank you, Andy. Really appreciate you guys being here. Andy Severein: Yep. Thank you. Jennifer Hulbert: Thank you.

Ep 101 - Matt Curry & Richard Tonetti | The Secret Behind an $40 Million Auto Repair Business

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HERETurnkey Marketing takes the stress of doing something I'm not good at off my plate. And gives it to someone who is. Click HERE for more.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREWhen I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!What does it take to build a high-performing automotive business that continues to grow while maintaining a strong culture?In this episode, Mike Allen sits down with Matt Curry and Richard Tonetti from Craftsman Auto Care to discuss the systems, leadership philosophies, and growth strategies that helped build one of the industry's most respected shop groups. Matt shares lessons learned from growing to 10 locations and $18 million in revenue, including the importance of culture, leadership, sales training, digital inspections, and customer reviews. Timestamps:00:00 The $1 Raise That Changed Everything01:14 Are 4-Day Workweeks Actually Hurting Your Business?03:41 Why “Money Motivated” Isn’t a Dirty Word06:46 From Tire Changer to VP: Growth Stories from the Shop Floor07:16 Matt’s Path: 10 Stores, $18 Million, and a Comeback09:13 The Secret Sauce: Buying Distressed Shops & Turning Them Around10:36 How to Hit $1,000 Average ROs (and Why Volume Per Bay Matters)11:02 The Turning Point: Digital Inspections & Sales Training13:29 Being the Best Shop Cheerleader—Even on Bad Days14:11 Making the Hard Work Fun (Yes, It’s Possible!)19:00 Sales Scripts, Objection Handling, and The “One More Thing” Rule20:05 How to Hire the Perfect Counter Person (It’s Not About Automotive Experience!)22:49 Culture vs. Corporate: Why Good Techs Never Leave25:15 Google Review Domination: Building Trust and Cutting Marketing Costs28:20 Spiffs, Friendly Competition, and Making Reviews a Shop Habit32:10 Small Gestures, Big Impact: The Stuffed Animal Touch35:13 Why Internal Competition Works—But Only with the Right Culture37:46 When Growth Kills Culture (And How to Avoid It)40:36 Can Independents Still Win? Opportunity in a Corporate, Tech-Heavy Landscape43:27 The Blueprint: Build Slow, Build Right, Stay Nimble45:17 Level Up: Giving Back and Training the Next Generation47:04 Growing Your Own Techs & Locking Down Quarter-Million Dollar Talent

Ep 93 - Brad McAllister & Jay Power | $24K/Month More at the Shop with Analytics?

Tektonic 2027 is coming up April 1-3, and if you missed year 1, you MUST NOT miss year 2. It's bigger, it's better, because is Tekmetric's conference. You know it's gonna be the best conference in the history of conferences. Get lower pricing now HEREMy marketing before and after signing up with Turnkey Marketing is pretty scary. In a good way. Get your marketing right today HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you! Make your techs happier with Detect Auto. They'll stop getting "check noise" or "check vibration" from advisors with the customer concern tool. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Book a demo HEREElite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREBrad McAllister & Jay Power from OktoRocket join Mike to dig into the power of analytics for shop owners. They break down how tracking call conversions can translate into serious revenue, revealing that just a 6% bump in close ratio could mean an extra $24,475 per month. The guys also share their take on leaderboard motivation—why it can drive some team members and demotivate others—and discuss the relentless advance of AI-powered features like agent assist and Rocket Shield to keep shops ahead of the curve.Get the OktoRocket 2025 Industry Report HERE Timestamps:00:00 Game-changing stats to motivate your business growth01:17 Tektonic 2026: Rooftop parties, Texas-shaped pools, and industry networking03:00 Turtle races and finding your pace in a crowded event05:05 Meet the OktoRocket team and their journey from shop floor to SaaS leaders05:37 How OktoRocket connects, analyzes, and grows shops of every size08:25 Tools for shops, marketing companies, and analyzing your campaigns10:17 Decoding call conversion, inbound sales, and the analytics that matter most12:11 Should you use leaderboards? Shop culture, competition, and motivation dilemmas16:41 What makes great management & using data to coach your people17:14 Drill down into conversions: marketing calls, repair orders, and tracking ROI22:44 Tagging high-value customers—Are your ads bringing the right cars to your bay?24:29 The real numbers: Industry report highlight reel and surprises28:28 Close rates are dropping—what does it mean for your shop in 2025?31:38 Just a 6-point close rate boost could net $24k/month—here’s how32:49 Real talk on gross profit, compensation, and fixing margins34:46 OktoRocket’s founders share their shop careers and why they built it40:45 Staying ahead with rapid dev, AI, and never getting outcompeted44:27 New tech rolling out: AI phone agents, Rocket Shield, and beyond47:37 Your wish list: Real-time scripts and objection handling coming soon?

How to Build a Repair Shop From the Ground Up | Jennifer Hulbert - Ep 11

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Tonnika welcomes Jennifer Hulbert from the Institute of Automotive Business Excellence and Service Plus Automotive. Jennifer shares her own journey taking over her family shop, highlighting the challenges of building the right team and embracing real leadership. They bust the myth that coaching is a cookie-cutter scam, stressing that true culture and accountability transform both the owner and the team.Timestamps:01:00 – Meet Jennifer: From HR to Shop Owner to Coach05:00 – Building a Shop From the Ground Up (And Surviving Dad’s Retirement)10:35 – Numbers Don’t Lie: Why Financials Matter More Than “Hustle”14:38 – Team Culture That Actually Works (And How To Build Yours)16:30 – Monday Meetings, Leadership Classes, and Real-Life Accountability21:00 – Surviving Economic Downturns & Military Community Challenges25:25 – The Real Talk on Hiring, Firing, and Growing a Rock-Solid Team28:30 – The Truth About Working ON vs IN Your Business31:45 – Letting Go: How to Hand Off Roles and Still Win33:35 – Investing in Staff: Training, Trust, and Those “AHA” Moments36:35 – Employee vs. Team Member: Spotting the Difference39:00 – Profit’s Not a Dirty Word—And Why Your Shop Needs It41:10 – Feeling Stuck as a Shop Owner? Step-By-Step on Moving Forward43:50 – Why You Should Stop Chasing “Bottom Feeders” and Stand Your Ground47:00 – Why Jennifer’s Hopeful for the Future of Auto Repair49:30 – Growth Hurts (But It’s Worth It): Unfiltered Conversation for Shop Owners52:24 – How to Get Connected With The Institute and Take Your Next Step

Ep 82 - Coaching Call #15 | Why Partnership Agreements Are a MUST!

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREIn this episode, Mike Allen and Matt Lofton go deep on the realities of starting a business partnership. Mike Allen shares lessons learned from his own experiences establishing partnerships, emphasizing the importance of clear agreements and communication. Matt Lofton draws from his experience with both successful and failed partnerships, highlighting the dangers of handshake deals and the need for thorough “what-if” planning.Timestamps: 00:00 "Spring Break, Partnerships, Feedback"03:17 "Partnerships: Risks and Considerations"08:27 "Clear Terms Before Partnerships"11:39 "Dissolved Partnership and Planning"15:49 "Partnerships and Business Assets"19:43 Private Equity Incentives Explained21:55 "Effectiveness of Profit-Based Incentives"26:23 "Financial Deep Dive Workshops"29:27 "Key Points in Partnership Agreements"31:14 "What-If Scenarios and Alignment"38:38 "Managing Business Equity Dynamics"41:50 "Front-End Business Agreement Setup"45:03 "Revisit Business Agreements Regularly"47:35 "Partnership Structure and Agreements"52:26 "High-Value Networking & Insights"53:38 "Best Shop Owners Seek Growth"

Ep 137: From Technician Shortages to Thriving Teams with Jimmy Alauria

Are You Running Your Shop… Or Is It Running You? | Darin Johnson - Ep 37

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOYour techs don’t need another YouTube rabbit hole—they need real answers to the problem in front of them. SWAT Training and Diagnostics brings the tech support and hands-on, virtual, and just-in-time training to help them fix today’s car and be ready for the next one - LEARN MORE HERERunning an auto repair shop is one thing—but what happens when the shop starts running you? In this episode, Tonnika Haynes sits down with Darin Johnson, a one-man shop owner from Great Bend, Kansas, who admits he's working seven days a week, struggles to tell customers no, and hasn't taken a real vacation since 2018. They get into the difficult transition from technician to business owner, why coaching and industry connections have changed Darin's approach, and how raising his labor rate didn't create the customer revolt he feared. Tonnika also gets fired up about boundaries, last-minute customers, “free” tire pressure checks, and why serving your community doesn't mean allowing customers to control your schedule. Darin is heading to ASTA with a mission: build his network, learn how to step away from the shop, find help, and finally create a business that gives him a life outside the bays.Timestamps:00:00 Cold open: “It’s gonna be on one more day”00:19 Downshift intro00:38 Darin still has a FLIP PHONE?!02:10 Meet Darin: Running a one-man repair shop in Kansas02:44 How he accidentally became a shop owner04:27 From hot rods to 25 years in automotive05:39 Does Darin really want to stay a one-man operation?07:06 Heading to ASTA for the first time07:40 Why Darin LEFT his first training event early08:39 Coaching struggles: Knowing what to do vs. actually doing it09:55 The real reason Darin is coming to ASTA10:16 Shop ownership can feel like you’re on an island13:08 Working seven days a week & being married to the shop14:20 The people-pleasing problem15:03 Customers asking about cars at dinner and the grocery store16:27 What happens when the shop becomes your only hobby?20:26 Feeling guilty for taking time away20:57 “Schedule your hats”—including downtime22:59 Darin’s five-year plan: Train someone to replace him23:38 His last REAL vacation was in 201824:34 Open-heart surgery changed how Darin viewed the business25:21 Becoming an owner instead of just a technician28:06 Why 15–20 cars are constantly sitting at the shop28:34 The work Darin has finally started saying NO to30:49 Bringing an accountability partner to training32:42 Why a few unhappy customers can ruin your mindset33:58 Should you just FIRE the worst 5% of your customers?38:02 Tonnika gives Darin his official ASTA assignment40:40 Finding your automotive family42:39 Why Tonnika recommends coaching43:57 Coaching’s impact on Darin’s mindset and mental health45:01 “I wish I would’ve done this 10 years ago”46:04 Why shops that don’t train get left behind46:58 Darin now has the highest labor rate in town47:34 Tonnika’s $12 lawnmower tire era 😂49:00 Learning how to say NO without losing customers49:12 Scheduling your different “hats” as an owner51:10 Customers don’t control your schedule51:44 “It’s been on for two weeks? It can wait another day.”53:05 Your six-month-old check engine light isn’t suddenly my emergency53:50 How “real quick” jobs steal HOURS from your day54:52 Why Tonnika refuses to just throw air in a tire55:32 “My air isn’t free!”56:23 The right way to say no: Give customers another option57:45 Darin’s ASTA challenge & what’s coming in Part 2

Maximizing Profit Through Effective Labor Rate Strategy [THA 493]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> Your posted labor rate may not be the labor rate you're actually collecting, and that gap could be costing your shop thousands of dollars every month. In this episode, Carm Capriotto is joined by Andy Adams, a shop owner and business coach, and Rob Sperring, a service manager, to explain why the Effective Labor Rate (ELR) is one of the most overlooked yet impactful performance metrics in the auto repair industry. They break down why ELR falls short, how it affects profitability, and the practical steps every shop owner can take to close the gap. What You'll Learn What Effective Labor Rate (ELR) is and why it matters more than your posted door rate.Why healthy shops should collect at least 90 percent of their posted labor rate.How unbilled diagnostic time, underpriced canned jobs, and complimentary inspections reduce profitability.Why excessive discounting, even with good intentions, can quietly erode your bottom line.Why improving ELR creates opportunities to increase technician compensation and strengthen your business.How auditing repair orders can uncover missed labor opportunities and unnecessary discounts.Why updating your labor matrix and canned jobs can immediately improve financial performance.How sharing KPI's (key performance indicators) with your team builds ownership and accountability throughout the shop. Effective Labor Rate is more than a financial matrix; it's a direct measure of how well your shop captures the value of the work it performs. By understanding where labor revenue is being lost and making intentional operational improvements, shop owners can increase profitability, invest in their teams, and build a stronger, more sustainable business. Rob Sperring, Grand Rapids Motorcar, Grand Rapids, MI Andy Adams, Adams Garage, Terre Haute, IN. Coach at Repair Shop of Tomorrow Thanks to our Partner, NAPA TRACS NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Today's Class Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ Thanks to our Partner, KUKUI Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. Get industry-leading customer support with KUKUI at https://www.kukui.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carmSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collections The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcast with Carm Capriotto: Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion. https://remarkableresults.biz/Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z: From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life.<a...

ATTENTION: Shop Owners - Buy Back Your Time | Dan Thieken - Ep 24

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Tonnika Haynes and Ash Kaplan chat with Dan Thieken, owner of Kreager Tire and Service LLC in Millersport, Ohio. Dan opens up about the journey from sweeping floors as a high school student to owning his own shop, emphasizing the importance of building the right team so that owners can eventually step away from day-to-day operations. He also shares his philosophy on why shops should offer tires—not only as a profit center, but as a window into the car's soul that keeps customers from ever needing another shop. Timestamps:00:00 Why you should ALWAYS offer tires at your shop02:11 Dan Thieken's origin story: From sweeping floors to owner04:32 The leap to management—and whistleblowing on bad leadership05:25 Not a tech? Why owning a shop is still for you07:07 People skills: Bartenders, restaurant work, and automotive service10:41 Building a team so you (finally) can step away13:31 Small town challenges: Hiring, no running water, and real culture16:14 The trust fall: Letting go of your “baby” shop18:17 Shop success = buying back your own time20:04 The slippery slope of coaching and paying it forward22:11 What’s your business mix? Service vs. tires, and how it changed24:22 Two reasons EVERY shop should offer tires25:10 How selling tires unlocks full-vehicle inspections26:20 Stop “selling”—just advise and build relationships28:00 Would Dan ever hire a coach? The answer might surprise you32:26 Advice for new shop owners: Train your replacement34:21 The personal side: Boundaries, empathy, and being “too nice”39:00 Mistakes owners make: Wanting to be absentee too soon43:12 The real trick: Let your staff learn from their mistakes46:00 Why Dan feels more at home away from the counter47:51 Upcoming events, classes, and golf trips

Women Are Impacting Auto Repair! | Coralee Zueff - Episode 8

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Coralee Zueff joins Tonnika Haynes and Ash Kaplan to share her journey in the automotive industry, reflecting on how her passion for racing and cars led her from technician to acclaimed author and trainer. Their conversation highlights the importance of building genuine customer relationships at the service counter, with Tonnika and Ash emphasizing how personal connection and communication drive trust and success far beyond KPIs. Find more about Coralee's book here00:00 – Why it’s RARE for everything to run perfectly in the shop01:00 – North Carolina cold vs. Canadian “lost snow”03:02 – Meet Coralee: 24 years in the automotive game04:13 – From car enthusiast teen to Red Seal technician07:03 – Writing the next resource for women in the trades08:22 – Why stories matter for the next generation of women10:07 – The power of mentorship and finding your “Automotive Auntie”12:21 – Advice for your younger self: embrace the winding road14:00 – Passion for hands-on work and leadership lessons from water parks16:00 – The reality and value of remote estimating17:36 – Building powerhouse teams: train from scratch or hire experience?19:27 – How service advisors from all backgrounds are raising the bar21:32 – Training tips: one successful thing at a time23:09 – Canadian in Texas: adventures at the Texas Two Step28:36 – Finding community as a woman in a male-dominated industry33:22 – No makeup, no judgment: the power of women’s retreats35:36 – Autocross, drifting, and motorcycles—track life confessions39:41 – Shop race cars and the benefits of getting employees out racing40:13 – All-girls high school racing teams and changing the pipeline41:43 – Will AI take our jobs? Not if people still need people44:11 – How spending just 15 more minutes with each customer pays off46:33 – Frontline service tips: name recognition and building trust49:01 – Why the best advisors might be bartenders51:21 – Setting expectations: the art of handling upset customers54:03 – Downshift: Slow down for more meaningful growth55:10 – Coralee on learning to say NO – and loving it58:03 – Take an extra day, enjoy the journey59:09 – Where to find Coralee’s books and training

Screw the Customer - Happy Workers Are More Important | Becky Witt - Episode 6

In this episode, Becky Witt joins Tonnika and Ash to say that having happy workers is the foundation for customer satisfaction. Becky also shares how a shift to annual maintenance and eliminating waiters doubled her average repair order, and drives home the importance of transparent pricing—encouraging shop owners not to discount out of emotion.Timestamps:00:00 Why “The customer is always right” is poppycock01:06 Meet Becky Witt: Childhood car obsession to shop owner05:25 From gas stations to Honda and back again07:32 Climbing the dealership ladder & national recognition09:47 Outgrowing stalls: The low-overhead secret13:19 Specializing in Honda: Lessons from the product cheapening department15:42 Luxury vs. lunch-bucket customers: Discovering your ideal clientele17:21 Changing shop management for good: Consulting stories20:00 What motivates techs (and how to find your own unicorn)22:07 Why most shop owners have it backwards about business25:11 Learning to get out of your own way as a leader27:13 The $47,000 mistake: Wasted time every morning30:06 Why you must always be open to new coaching and training32:00 Becky’s donut stories—Making lessons unforgettable34:16 Why she refuses to charge for her wisdom (and why that matters!)38:31 Teaching the whole shop: How real change sticks41:03 Real talk: Pricing from your own pocket hurts everyone43:02 Clients, customers, and people with broken cars—who you REALLY want46:00 Why shop loyalty starts with saying NO to the wrong jobs48:28 How Becky pioneered wait-oil changes (and why she stopped!)51:00 The annual maintenance model that doubled profits54:01 Ditching rides for loaner cars—cutting costs, leveling up service56:05 The #1 thing every new shop owner must do58:20 Why your team’s happiness is everything01:00:13 Why Becky won’t ever do “waiters” again01:03:02 Life after live training: Becky's biker adventures01:06:01 Advice for living your best (motorcycle-filled) life

Ep 83 - Hunt Demarest | How to Actually Make Money in Auto Repair

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HEREIf you're like me and aren't good at marketing, don't do it on your own. Let the experts handle it. Touch HERE for more on Turnkey Marketing.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HERE When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Hunt Demarest is a CPA with Paar, Melis, and Associates. Today, he joins Mike to talk shop financials, tax credits, and private equity. Hunt breaks down why consistent improvement—just 3% better each quarter—is more sustainable than chasing explosive growth. He offers a candid warning about risky investments, sharing his own hard lesson with a too-good-to-be-true real estate scheme. Finally, Hunt dives into the rise of private equity buying up repair shops, explaining how that's driving up valuations and changing the market for owners looking to sell. Timestamps:00:00 Incremental improvement beats unrealistic growth—why 3% better every quarter wins01:10 Teaching personal finance at Vision 2026 (and why accountants don’t read your Social Security statements)02:07 The truth about R&D tax credits and audit nightmares03:44 What you must ask before taking any credit—defending yourself at audit time05:03 Hunt’s background: how he got into auto repair accounting08:08 Will AI replace your bookkeeper or CPA? Real talk, not hype10:32 Why shop owners need to understand financial statements & what current ratio means for your cash12:18 Managing AR, cash flow, and the case for paying vendors weekly14:43 Shop profitability: 8 months out of 12 is the norm, not the exception15:43 Trends: The scale and extremes of shop margins have changed MASSIVELY17:21 Labor rates at $386/hr and what actually drives profit18:54 The 20% net profit “gold standard”—and who really gets there19:34 Why comparing owner compensation plus net income tells the real story21:26 What’s the average net profit for shops? (Spoiler: it’s better than you think)22:15 Beware public “industry average” surveys—actual profits vs. reported tax returns23:01 Why working with an industry-specialized CPA beats a generic accountant every time24:14 The inner circle: who should be on your financial “advisory board”25:00 The most common (and WRONG) beliefs about shop accounting29:53 Hunt’s biggest personal mistake: the $25k investment gone wrong (and what to learn from it)32:10 Private equity: what’s happening, who’s buying, and what it means for YOUR exit36:10 Should you sell now? How PE offers stack up vs. passing to family37:06 Why PE doesn’t care about your P&L—sometimes it’s all about your customer count38:02 Final thoughts, lessons learned, and why even the pros get it wrong sometimes

BONUS AUDIO ONLY EPISODE: Lauren Langston & Jared Haleck | The Auto Repair Industry Earned Its Bad Reputation

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREIn this bonus audio-only episode, Mike Allen sits down at Tektonic 2026 with Tekmetric President Lauren Langston and Chief Product Officer Jared Haleck for a conversation that starts spicy and quickly heads into the future of automotive repair. They discuss whether industry coaches can remain relevant after years away from shop ownership, why repair shops have earned some of the public’s mistrust, and what real-world data says about the massive impact of consistent DVIs. Mike also gets an inside look at SmartDVI, automated estimating, integrated phone systems, AI call assistants, and other technology that could dramatically change how service advisors and technicians work.Timestamps00:00 The Coaching Question That Made the Panel Spicy01:01 Can Coaches Stay Relevant After 10 Years Away From Shop Ownership?03:23 Why Tektonic Stands Out From Other Industry Events04:26 Tekmetric Digital Ads & Why Google Maps Matters08:08 The DVI Numbers That Should Shock Shop Owners09:00 Longer DVIs = Nearly $200 More ARO?09:32 SmartDVI: Using AI to Build Better Inspections Faster13:48 Can AI Understand Your Technician’s Accent?15:27 Building New Features vs. Fixing What Customers Already Use19:15 We’re 20 Minutes In…Maybe We Should Introduce the Guests22:41 Every Shop Owner Thinks They’ve Built the Next Great AI Tool24:35 What Happens When Software Companies Build Your Integration’s Feature?27:06 SmartDVI, Meta Glasses & Hands-Free Inspections30:24 How Close Are We to Fully Automated Estimates?34:17 Let Service Advisors Build Relationships—Not Estimates35:53 Personalized Service Plans & Eliminating Customer Surprises37:21 Has Auto Repair Earned Its Bad Reputation?41:24 Does Showing Future Repair Pricing Encourage Price Shopping?46:06 Tekmetric Phones & the Next Big Integration49:12 AI Call Assistants Listening in Real Time53:11 Mike Announces Tekmetric’s Entire Future Roadmap…Without Permission

$910K in 1 Month From a 9-Bay Goodyear?! | The Woodlands Hammer Panel

The Adams Automotive - Woodlands team debriefs a record-breaking $910,000 month. They unpack the numbers — high service revenue, strong gross profit, and an unprecedented $300K net operating income — and credit the result to A-player staffing, shop tours, speed-of-service PMIs, and disciplined sales processes like second-voice tag teams. The roundtable covers leadership, technician workflow, training programs (Courtside, Key2Key), culture, and practical tactics owners can apply to scale revenue, increase ticket averages, and build a winning team.   AutoShopAnswers.com Auto-Shop-Media.com

How to Build a Business While Raising a Family | Kassiady Markham - Ep 31

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOYour techs don’t need another YouTube rabbit hole—they need real answers to the problem in front of them. SWAT Training and Diagnostics brings the tech support and hands-on, virtual, and just-in-time training to help them fix today’s car and be ready for the next one - LEARN MORE HEREIn this episode, Kassiady Markham joins Tonnika Haynes to share her journey of building Phase Two Automotive alongside her husband from the ground up. Kassiady opens up about the challenges of balancing motherhood, business ownership, and overcoming setbacks—including business failures and family health crises. She emphasizes the importance of coaching for growth, setting boundaries at work, and building generational wealth for their family.Timestamps:00:00 Kassiady introduction: therapy, humor, and owning half the company01:02 Shop origins: EMT careers and turning a car hobby into a side hustle04:08 From “side gig” to baby in the office—juggling kids and business05:16 Struggles: marriage stress, foreclosure, and raising autistic children07:00 When the first business collapsed and the comeback began10:09 Taking a leap (again): Starting over with Phase Two Automotive13:32 IRS threats and the decision to take full control14:29 Stepping into leadership: Doing the books, HR, and payroll16:36 Coaching with Elite: Solving problems, boundaries, and marriage tips18:45 Why running a family business was the only way20:01 Who’s in Kassiady corner when it gets hard? Support systems23:30 How the team runs the shop (including her brother!)25:38 The crucial role of coaching in unlocking new growth27:20 The vision: generational wealth, success goals, and involving the kids30:35 Lessons learned: “It’s not a bad life—just a bad day.”32:01 Setting work boundaries and prioritizing family34:19 Therapy as self-care; keeping the marriage strong39:05 Parenting philosophies and supporting kids to adulthood41:14 Leading as the only woman in the shop: standing firm43:19 Customer confrontations and not backing down44:50 Real advice for women running shops or helping husbands50:39 Discounting, boundaries, and protecting the shop’s future54:49 Giving back to the community—doing good when it matters56:29 Expansion goals: property headaches and future shop dreams60:08 Rapid fire: first car, dream car, entrepreneurship in one word61:49 Biggest lesson: Wishing they’d started coaching sooner62:13 Why she’ll never be without a business coach

The Mistake That's Costing Your Shop Money | Nick Yannessa & Chi Wong - Ep 30

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Tonnika welcomes Nick Yannessa & Chi Wong to talk about how they started a auto repair shop. Nick brought up how he thinks it's dangerous to judge customers based on their car or background—presenting recommendations equally is key for success. They all discuss the importance of efficiency and processes, especially for one-person operations, with strategies ranging from shop layout to streamlined part sourcing. The discussion explored how relationships—whether through peer support, coaching, or personal connection with customers—can make or break both morale and business success.Timestamps:00:00 Growing up in the business, judging customers & learning not to assume03:00 The wild origin story of a Philly-area repair friendship07:00 Shop ownership journeys: from dealer frustration to Craigslist finds13:15 Shop expansions, partnerships, and the big pains of growing fast16:30 Management mistakes: Getting hurt by the wrong coaching advice22:30 Why shop friendships (and roasting each other) drive real growth26:00 Breaking out of the tech mindset — why process & sales skills matter35:00 Single bay or big staff? How to thrive as a one-man show41:30 Efficiency hacks: leg surgery for your shop layout47:00 The power of batching tasks, double-dipping on equipment, and finding your warehouse51:00 Bootstrapping a new shop, from free desks to Techmetric (or not)59:00 Real-life sales training: How to pitch brakes and win trust1:12:00 Dealership vs. Indie: Why premium service isn’t just about the brand1:20:00 Body shop margins, insurance games, and why service rocks1:33:00 The secret sauce: Making your shop unforgettable1:39:00 Building trust over time (without a single DVI)1:44:00 Health, happiness, and generational wealth—success beyond KPIs1:46:00 Why driving a free CR-V might beat flexing a Cadillac1:52:00 Building benefits for your people, and leveling up your future1:58:00 Final rants and why you need to be the “dive bar” your customers love

The Shop Owner Comparison Trap | Anders Gustafson - Ep 29

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Consistency is key - heard that! But, consistency is HARD. That's why I gave up on trying and let the experts handle it. Detect Auto. Let them clean up your estimating process and raise your ARO - like they did for me! CLICK HERE TO BOOK A DEMOIn this episode, Tonnika Haynes welcomes Anders Gustafson to discuss the real journey of shop ownership, from humble beginnings to scaling up. Anders shares the challenges of starting a shop with little experience, reflecting on the lessons learned from opening a second location and the importance of picking the right spot. Together, they get real about the mental toll of comparing yourself to others on social media, the need for community and coaching in the automotive industry, and why self-growth matters more than flashy online wins.Timstamps:00:00 The Comparison Trap: Social Media and Shop Owner Wins01:26 East Coast Roots: Moving for a Dream02:15 Breaking into Automotive: From Office Job to Shop Life03:38 U-Hauls & Humble Beginnings—Opening Shop in Virginia07:27 Location Matters! Lessons from Two Stores11:01 Second Location Struggles & Mistakes14:36 Going It Alone: The Cost of Not Getting Industry Support17:32 Social Media: More Harm Than Good?19:02 Measuring Growth: Why the Only Race is With Yourself25:02 Teaching & Tectonic: How Humor Changes the Game28:23 Tech-Enabled Services: ShopLevers Explained32:46 Business Partners: Horror Stories & Happy Endings37:04 Boondoggling Across the Globe: Adventures Post-Shop Life41:40 Real Shop Drama: Roller Coasters, Jabronis & Jalopies44:00 The Power of Coaching, Training, and Community46:53 From Fear to Freedom: Finding Your Shop Owner Tribe49:01 Shop Ownership = Roller Coaster (and Why You Should Love It)52:44 Google Reviews, Value, and Standing Your Ground

Stop Running Your Shop Like a Technician | Rick White and Buckaroobob Bucknbob (John Firm) - Ep 27

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREWhat does it really take to run a thriving auto shop without living in the bays? Today Rick White and Buckaroo Bob join Tonnika to break down the journey from wrench-turner to true business builder. Hear firsthand stories about learning to trust your team, why “hiring smarter” is the real secret, and how the right coaching can seriously change your shop’s future.Plus: Why you need to delegate, why “set it and forget it” marketing frees you up to lead, and why building your network is as important as building your car count.Timestamps:00:00 Are you running your shop—or is your shop running you? 02:07 Letting go: When Bob's son joined the family business03:43 The long road from working IN the business to working ON it06:03 Bob’s transformation: Training yourself out of a job07:25 How group coaching built an unstoppable shop owner family10:03 ARO breakthrough: From $252 to $820 by trusting the process12:00 Control freaks, “Mama syndrome,” and learning to let your team lead14:50 Why you must hire people smarter than you—and how to spot them15:43 Book club for bosses: “One Minute Manager” and more game-changers18:01 Coaching: Are you looking for a coach—or just a cheerleader?21:20 Rick’s journey: From micromanagement to true leadership25:51 Letting go: Real growth means they don’t need you every day30:26 Training is NOT optional—why you’re never too good to learn31:39 The three reasons shop owners skip coaching (and how to fix it)33:02 Your only entitlement: Opportunity, not comfort35:59 Facing big challenges—without carrying all that baggage39:02 If you’re still taking technical classes… you’re not leading your shop40:34 Simple details that set your shop apart—yes, the smell matters!41:21 Saying yes to more—adventure, networking, and stepping outside your comfort zone43:22 Big invitations: Family reunions, cookouts & open mic wisdom44:07 Upcoming advisor training and summer events—don’t miss out!

Your Shop Might Be Driving Customers Away | Jessica Watkins - Ep 23

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Jessica Watkins tells Tonnika and Ash about her time in marketing and how she got into the automotive industry. They bring up the challenges women face, from working in shops without AC or clean bathrooms to building customer-centered businesses. Learn from the ladies on how shop owners can make their spaces more inviting for women and why curb appeal, safety, and clean facilities truly matter.Timestamps:00:00 When shops refuse to upgrade: The pain of paper tickets01:04 Is it hot in here? Real talk about shop air conditioning (or the lack of it!)02:04 Jessica’s origin story: Tripling sales & demanding more05:18 Why clean bathrooms and AC matter for customer (and staff!) happiness07:16 The surprising power of shop curb appeal10:22 Making the automotive industry friendlier for women12:10 How Ash built Golden Hour Garage to make shop life easier14:35 The little things that build trust and boost your brand17:50 Want higher prices? Start by raising your standards20:12 Why your marketing matters (and how not to suck at it)22:46 Nosy people are your next customers. Get visible!25:41 Safety first: Creating a shop environment everyone feels safe in28:40 What women notice that shop owners miss31:14 True service stories: When a shop loses a customer for good36:29 Why front counter greetings and clean lobbies can’t be ignored40:13 The secret to staff training and customer loyalty43:06 Confessions & how to encourage more women to join the shop life47:25 Lessons (and laughs) from real shop experiences54:00 How to connect with Jessica and get solutions for YOUR shop!

Episode 274 - Can The Automotive Service Industry Be Saved? With Cecil Bullard and Wayne Marshall

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Cecil Bullard and Wayne Marshall discuss the challenges facing the automotive industry today. They examine the complexities and controversies surrounding technician licensing and certification, highlighting the need for industry-wide standards. The conversation also addresses the importance of financial literacy and measurable productivity in running a successful shop.00:00 Debating dealership licensing issues10:17 Balancing employee pay and motivation13:05 Building Employee Loyalty18:33 Improving employee wages and management23:01 Business fundamentals and financial ratios29:03 Planning an Exit Strategy35:00 Chris Enright on industry frustration41:01 Need for sophisticated testing46:14 Importance of unique selling proposition51:13 Importance of inclusivity and differentiation54:12 Challenges with membership relevance01:03:44 Young talent and enthusiasm01:04:15 Recruiting a young car enthusiast

Ep 99 - Adam Rath | What Works in One Shop Could Kill Another

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREIn this episode, Mike Allen sits down with Adam Rath, owner of a repair shop in Allentown, Pennsylvania. Adam tackles the challenge of adapting business models to different communities, emphasizing that what works in one area may not work in another. They also explore the importance of process efficiency, particularly in estimate building and digital vehicle inspections. Adam also talks about his role with the ASOG mastermind group, highlighting how peer support and structured programs can help struggling shop owners build a solid foundation.Timestamps:00:00 Efficient Estimates vs. Wasting Time01:31 Podcast Tech Upgrades and Recording on the Road03:03 Behind-the-Scenes: Touring Craftsman Auto Care04:01 Coaching Models: Origins and Overlaps06:00 Meet Adam Rath & the Reality of Shop Locations08:08 Coaching Myths: "That Won’t Work in My Town"09:00 Different Markets, Different Rules11:16 The 300% Rule: Double-Edged Sword12:33 Are You Sticker-Shocking Your Clients?13:33 Presenting Estimates the Smart Way14:09 DVI Tools and Estimating Efficiency15:24 What Do You Show the Customer?17:10 Single-Issue Selling: Helpful or "Slimy"?20:01 Show & Sell: The Theater of Auto Sales22:52 Roleplaying, Sales Practice, and the J Curve24:55 Tech Tools: Detect Auto, DVI Speed, and Pain Points28:40 Remote Estimators: Overseas Teams & Lessons Learned30:41 The Rise and Fall of Remote Estimate Companies33:05 EOS Explained: Visionaries vs. Integrators36:36 Taking the Crystallizer Assessment38:19 Monthly State of the Company at Adam's Shop41:20 When the Team Wins—Even Without the Manager43:13 Building Leadership Skills with the Right Tools44:57 Adam’s Role in the ASOG Mastermind46:33 The Mastermind Format & Growth48:36 Curriculum Overhaul: Tightening the Learning Path50:36 Live Invoice & Call Audits: Growing through Discomfort53:43 Why We Break Process (and How to Fix It)55:15 The Future of the Mastermind: Structure & Guest Coaches57:10 Shop Fix vs. ASOG: The Coaching Disconnect59:48 Buffet Approach to Coaching: Take What Works1:01:47 Guest Coaches, Good Info, and Avoiding Sound Bites1:04:00 Confession Time: When Employees Just Aren’t a Fit1:06:23 Shop Culture: The Right People Stay, Others Go1:07:13 EOS Implementers & Next Steps

How Failure Can Lead to Huge Success | Josh Oberlander - Ep 18

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Josh Oberlander, co-founder of Detect Auto, sits down with Tonnika Haynes and Ash Kaplan to share his unconventional path into the automotive industry, including how failed ventures and persistent learning led him to build software that makes shops more efficient. Josh talks about the importance of mentorship and coaching—how having the right guidance can help you focus on what really matters in growing your business. The episode rounds out with an honest discussion about balancing entrepreneurship with life’s pressures, and Josh introduces some exciting new tools from Detect Auto designed to help shop owners build consistency and deeper customer relationships. Timestamps:00:00 – Kicking Off: Why Your Business Is Your Lifeline01:44 – Meet Josh Oberlander: From Trees to AI Tools02:38 – The Hard Road: Failure, Pivoting, and Finding the Right Problem04:44 – Building the Team: Partnering with "Brainiacs"06:26 – Lessons from Selling to Real Shops (and Failing Fast)09:14 – First Success Stories: Finding Shops Willing to Take a Chance10:07 – What Entrepreneurs Really Underestimate11:16 – Industry Respect: How Josh’s Perspective Changed12:09 – The Trust Issue: Why Car Repairs Need More Love14:19 – Starting a Business Scared? Real Talk from the Trenches17:05 – Wearing All the Hats: The Truth About Going Solo18:03 – Shifting from Fear to Excitement as You Grow19:36 – The Power (and Price) of Coaching & Mentorship21:51 – You Don’t Need a Fancy Coach to Level Up—Best Practices & Books23:48 – Why Focus Wins: Consistency, Habits, and Not Burning Out25:59 – Small Habits, Big Impact: The Magic of “Making Your Bed”28:26 – Motivation, Mindset, and Getting Real About Priorities32:01 – Don’t Let Social Media Rush Your Timeline35:49 – Building a Business That Lets You Be Present for Life39:01 – What’s Next for Detect Auto? AI, Tools, and 1-Year Plans41:22 – Will AI Replace Service Advisors? The Real Answer43:05 – How Relationship Building Wins Over Tech44:38 – Josh’s Live Pitch: What Detect Auto Actually Does49:34 – Maintenance Sales: Why Most Shops Get Stuck (and How to Fix It)54:53 – Training, Coaching, and Raising the Industry Standard56:09 – Tech Teaser: Tackling Language Barriers & Inspection Apps60:34 – Try Detect Auto Free + Final Words from Tonnika & Josh

How to Build a Team That Doesn't Need You Every Minute | Brandon Steckler - Ep 17

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Tonnika Haynes and Brandon Steckler talk leadership, technician training, and the messy but beautiful journey of managing a team. They bring up the challenges techs face when moving into ownership and leadership roles, the importance of building standard operating procedures to turn mistakes into teachable moments, and why raising up the next generation means focusing less on judgment and more on mentorship.Timestamps:00:00 – Balancing helping vs. enabling: How to stop being a crutch for your team01:32 – Early career: From dealership routine to independent challenges03:02 – Rapid growth, confidence, and being humbled by new experiences04:32 – The importance of mentorship and finding your “Jim Morton”07:00 – Becoming the teacher: Facing nerves and winning over your peers08:22 – Explaining things differently: The power of analogies in learning09:40 – Training new techs: Building a shop “bootcamp” for growth10:54 – Managing personalities: From future prodigies to lovable pains13:11 – Why investing in young staff pays off (despite the daily chaos)14:52 – Hard truths about leadership and letting go of micromanagement15:49 – Turning losses into SOPs: Learning from mistakes as a team17:01 – The importance of asking instead of always answering17:58 – Becoming a student again: Leveraging Audible and ongoing learning20:26 – Redefining shop culture for Gen Z techs22:55 – “Raising” techs vs. just hiring: Creating a rewarding path23:55 – Progression, promotion, and transferable skills for your team25:05 – Why today’s tech workforce is lost, not lazy28:24 – Finding purpose in mentorship and building shop legacy31:00 – On the road, new classes, and giving back to the industry33:55 – Building a leadership blueprint—with a little tough love

Profit Panel: How 3 Shops Put $750K+ to the Bottom Line in One Month - Bonus Zoom Episode 7

Glenn Piccolo hosts the Profit Panel: Charlie Zlatkos, J.J. Mont and Lynn Massengill to reveal how auto hospitality, mindset shifts, pricing strategy, parts purchasing and execution drove dramatic profit gains across varied markets—from rural Tennessee to rust-heavy Boston. The episode shares real results, practical tactics (rack attack, key-to-key, follow-ups, part-shopping) and leadership lessons you can apply to increase net profit and transform your shop.   autoshopanswers.com auto-shop-media.com

Boobs, Business & Building Culture That Lasts | Benjie Burris & Callie Johnson - Ep 15

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this crossover episode, Tonnika Haynes partners with Mike Allen and Confessions of a Shop Owner for a special preview of the upcoming ASTA Expo in Raleigh, NC this September. Together, they’re joined by ASTA Board Member and shop owner Benjie Burris, along with his daughter Callie Johnson, ASTA’s new Membership & Events Manager, to break down what makes the Expo such a standout event and how strong shop culture creates lasting success—both in business and beyond.The conversation explores the importance of showing up for your local community, building real and authentic relationships, and how consistent involvement and giving back have fueled long-term growth and meaningful connections. They also share firsthand experiences from past ASTA Expos, highlighting the unique, inclusive atmosphere and the way real conversations at the event can shape both careers and lives.And yes—you’ll also hear the story of how Benjie met his wife. Let’s just say it’s one of those stories you won’t see coming.Learn more about the ASTA Expo and how you can be there HERETimestamps:00:00 The funniest icebreaker ever (yes, fake boobs are involved)00:53 Live from Fueling Connections 2026 – ASTA at UTI Mooresville02:22 Audio chaos: Why your own tools matter (and how NOT to record a podcast)04:10 The rise of Downshift and the weirdness of being told “I listen to your podcast!”05:03 Social media hacks: Engagement, trolls, and managing the comment chaos09:19 A blueprint for a family-run business culture that actually works10:29 Turning community support into real shop growth (and why service matters)13:42 Small steps, big progress: Building a shop “patch by patch”14:42 The real reason community work succeeds (hint: It can’t be faked)18:25 Real talk on supporting schools, teachers, and being boots-on-the-ground22:22 Dealing with “big city” demands and setting shop boundaries23:46 ASTA’s new Membership & Events Manager shares social media tips26:53 The ASTA Expo: Networking, parties, and the least clicky vibe in the industry28:29 Conversations that change careers—and lives30:46 Competitors or community? Why ASTA shops help each other32:07 Going from local to international—how ASTA keeps its family feel36:04 Must-attend classes, what’s next for ASTA, and seriously, don’t miss the hospitality suite

Build Your Shop, but Don’t Forget to Build a Life | Greg Buckley - Ep 14

Rick White was my VERY FIRST business coach, and trust me when I say he helped me get my shop-owner life together! 😂 Now I’m proud to have 180Biz presenting Downshift, so head to 180Biz.com and book your FREE strategy session with Rick because, honey, you don’t know what you don’t know!Y’all, if you missed the first Tektonic, you missed a GOOD one, but you've got another chance! 😂 Tekmetric is going even BIGGER in Houston, Texas, April 1–3, 2027, so head to Tekmetric.com/Tektonic and get registered because you're NOT missing out twice!Anybody can run a shop. Building one that lasts? That's a whole different story. If you're ready to build smarter systems and a better experience for your team and customers, check out Tekmetric HEREIn this episode, Tonnika and Greg Buckley talk about about the challenges and rewards of running a family business in the automotive industry. Greg shares how health struggles led to a period of self-reflection and stepping back from day-to-day shop operations, only to discover the importance of finding new purpose through nonprofit work. Tonnika also reflects on the influence of her entrepreneurial family and emphasizes the value of building strong, empowered teams—both in the shop and beyond.Timestamps:00:00 Why wait to live? Enjoying life before retirement03:05 Getting hands-off with the shop – and how that backfired04:16 Health scares, stepping back, and losing your sense of mattering06:33 Rediscovering purpose through nonprofit work08:00 The powerful impact of giving back: Charity, YMCA, Autism Delaware11:07 Letting go as a parent and a shop leader – joy and heartbreak13:10 How real leadership boosts your shop’s KPIs14:11 Building a winning team by putting people in the right positions15:04 Why Grandma was the ultimate motivational coach17:16 Family hustle: Lessons from generations of business legacy20:05 Getting fired by your own family (and other shop stories!)24:31 When growth brings new problems (and how to solve them)26:02 The fine line between great service and setting boundaries with customers29:32 The heartbreak and lessons of closing the family shop31:42 Wild shop promos: Parties, hot dog carts, and building community33:56 The secret: Leading with empathy, not the iron fist35:28 Making work really work for your team (4-day weeks & real life outside the shop)36:33 Empowering your team to thrive and need you less38:08 Rebuilding your social circle and connections in the digital age42:15 The importance of “entering the room” even when you doubt yourself46:07 Why representation matters in the industry and mentoring the next generation48:58 Playing the long game: Using your voice for good55:52 Finding your passion outside the shop – and how to get started59:05 How to finish strong – and live out loud, guns blazing

Ep 86 - Lucas Underwood and Tonnika Haynes | Did We Accomplish Anything Here??

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Hit Subscribe, drop a comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear this!   Links & Resources:  Want to learn more? Click Here Want a complimentary business health report? Click Here See The Institute's events list: Click Here Want access to our online classes? Click Here ________________________________________ Episode Transcript Disclaimer This transcript was generated using artificial intelligence and may contain errors. If you notice any inaccuracies, please contact us at marketing@wearetheinstitute.com.   Episode Transcript: Lucas Underwood: Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Lucas Underwood from Changing the Industry podcast. I'm a shop owner here in Blowing Rock, North Carolina, own LNN Performance Automotive Repair, and today I have the honor to be joined by Cecil J. Bullard, and we are talking pricing here, uh, on today's show, and we're talking about confidence in pricing. Cecil, buddy, how are you? Cecil Bullard: I'm great. I'm Lucas Underwood: great. You're not a has-been yet? Cecil Bullard: Not yet, brother. I'm a still-was, I think, or maybe never was. I don't know, man. Lucas Underwood: I'm a something, right? Cecil Bullard: I'm something. Somebody knows who I am. Lucas Underwood: Man, I love it, and, and listen, we're talking pricing today, and it's really interesting. I'm, I'm headed up to Kentucky, uh, for the Survive or Thrive Thoroughbred Diesel event in October, and I was working on a presentation for them, and it's really about my story as a shop owner. And for those who don't know, I, I started in diesel performance. I was selling diesel performance parts, and one of the things that we faced in the diesel performance world is they had these MAP prices, and all of these online vendors were selling their parts for MAP prices, and I thought I had to compete with that. And one of the biggest challenges I ever faced as a shop owner was overcoming that fear of charging what I needed to charge. So Cecil, how do we get these shop owners who are listening, these shop owners who are gonna view this later, to the place that they're confident in their pricing? Cecil Bullard: It, it's, it's a, a combination of multiple things obviously. I mean, we, uh, I think if you understand, um ... So let's ... See, this is gonna jump around like it always does. Uh, you keep me on focus. Um- Bet. I'll Lucas Underwood: do what I can. No promises. Cecil Bullard: Right, right now we, we have this, this, uh, techs coming in. Uh, had one yesterday, uh, you know, uh, one of my clients is interviewing a tech, and the guy's saying, "I want 100 grand guaranteed." And, uh, you know, I would tell you two years ago that was probably 65 or 70 maybe. Yeah. And so now it's 100,000. And so we have this, um, uh, you know, the, the, the shortage, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, uh, we have a demand, and we have, uh, a necessity of probably paying more. So if I understand, you know, what I'm paying and why I'm paying it and what I need to pay, then I also have to relate that to my pricing. Because- Yeah ... um, if I don't charge enough, I don't get paid enough to pay the person that I need to enough to buy the equipment, to buy the training. And y- you know, when I, uh, was, was working as a tech, which is a long time ago, um- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: and, and people will go, "Oh, wow, did the cars have wooden tires?" Yeah. "Or were they rubber?" I was Lucas Underwood: gonna say, I, I Cecil Bullard: can't believe- They, they were rubber, man ... we had Lucas Underwood: cars that long ago, you Cecil Bullard: know? They were, they were rubber, yeah. But, but, um, you know, classes were, uh, few and far between frankly. Mm-hmm. Uh, mainly manufacturers had classes. We didn't have a lot of the aftermarket stuff like Asta that's coming up where we could get great tech training there or- Yeah you know, great management training. Um, and it wasn't ... But it also was very inexpensive in comparison maybe to what training is today. And the cars, of course, were a lot simpler. So there's this idea that, okay, what I'm doing ... Uh, and I think this might be one of the core problems we have with shop owners. They do not understand the value of what they do- For sure ... their knowledge, right? Yeah. Most of them, you know, uh, we still have a, probably a higher percentage of people in our industry that were not ... You know, they don't have a college degree. They didn't, uh, you know, have a master's degree in, in automotive technology or- Yeah or, you know, engineering or whatever that is. Um, and many of these guys, I had a, again, a conversation, uh, Sunday with one of the clients that, um, you know, he's like, "I, I didn't even graduate high school," right? "I, I, uh, I got into drugs. I went to, I went to prison. Uh, I got out of prison. I started to be a mechanic 'cause I, that's, I could do that." And now he owns a shop, and a pretty successful shop. Now he owns a couple pieces of property. And, but- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: I think if we don't value what we do- Or we don't see the value in what we do. And I also think that, that we have blinders on as, uh- Mm ... shop owners because all we really see, uh, we, and, and how we interpret what we see is probably, uh, very limited. So I drive down- Lucas Underwood: Yeah, through our lens. Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: I drive down these five streets to get to work, and there are three shops, and I drive by, you know, Billy Bob's shop, who is the cheapest guy in town, and I know that, and man, he's got a lot of cars parked outside that shop. He's always got a lot of cars. And then my phone doesn't seem to be ringing, and it's- Yeah a real, it's a natural leap to go, "Well, my price must be too high," right? Lucas Underwood: For sure. For Cecil Bullard: sure. Uh, as opposed, uh, as opposed to, number one, I don't know what Billy Bob's costs are. Yeah. I don't know if Billy Bob, uh, is paying rent, you know, how much rent. Uh, I don't know what Billy Bob's- Yeah ... paying his technicians. Don't Lucas Underwood: even know if he's doing any marketing. Right? And frankly- Those could all be comebacks, right? Yeah, and, and- Like, we don't know Cecil Bullard: Yeah, and frankly, I don't even know if he's making any money at all, right? He might be losing three grand a month, and- Lucas Underwood: That, that's a- But- That's a great point, right? Because I, I've been- Right there, done that, right? Because I, I, I was the guy riding by the other shops, looking at the other shops saying, "Oh, look how busy they are. Look at what they've got going on," not realizing that some of those cars had been sitting there for weeks. They hadn't- Yeah, for months ... got anything done. Yeah. Right. And, and a, as I dug in and I started talking to these guys, I'm going and talking to them, I'm realizing, hey, listen, they're doing twice the amount of work for the same amount of money. I'd rather have an empty parking lot and make the amount of money I'm making as I would- Cecil Bullard: Oh, yeah, yeah. If I'm not gonna make any money, I'd rather not work. I mean- Lucas Underwood: Exactly ... holy smokes, right? Exactly, and look, here, here's what I keep seeing, and I talk to shop owner after shop owner, and this- You know, David gets frustrated because we keep having this discussion over and over again. And he said- Yeah ... "Why do we keep having this discussion?" I said, "Because all of these techs leave shops and decide to start their own mobile mechanic business. They decide to start their own shop. They go out on their own and they do their own thing. And so we have to continue to teach them because they were uninterested in this when they were technicians. They didn't care." And eventually what happens is we have these new folks coming in, they get burnt, they're trying to figure out, "Why can't I pay my bills? This isn't working for me. What's going on? Why doesn't this work?" And Cecil Bullard: so then we- And by the way, they- when- Go ahead ... when people see this or, or people that are watching, many of them will be barely making a living. You know? Yeah. They, what they have is a bad job that doesn't- Yeah ... pay well. So I work- Lucas Underwood: Exactly. 100% ... Cecil Bullard: I work 70, 80 hours a week, and I, I can't go to my daughter's play and I can't do this and I can't do that, um, because I'm trying to get this car fixed so I have the money to go in the bank to pay the bills. And, and they're- They're payrolls we- ... trapped in this, they're- Yeah ... trapped in this thing, and, uh, they don't understand that, that you don't have to be trapped in that thing. Lucas Underwood: For sure. Right? And, and here's the thing, is, is over and over and over again, I have this discussion. Right? I talk to, to hundreds of shop owners and techs becoming shop owners through the span of a given month, right? Talk to- Yeah ... tons of them. Get a message every single hour throughout every single day- Yeah, every day ... from somebody, right? Cecil Bullard: I'm glad I'm not you, baby. Lucas Underwood: And so what I'm noticing is, is they're all going out and they're setting their prices, and they're using what I like to call the Oreo pricing method. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: So they've got, you know, shop over here's on the high end, shop over here's on the low end, I'm gonna be somewhere in the middle. And I talk to them and I say, "Guys, hey, listen. I don't know if you know this, but you should probably be using data to set your prices. And that data comes from your financials, and otherwise you're flying blind because you don't know if you're pricing yourself correctly or not because you're not using the data. Now yeah, we can give you some numbers that the industry standard is, and we can get you 90% of the way there," but they all panic when you give them those numbers, Cecil. Cecil Bullard: But I'm also- They have a- I'm also, I'm also not sure there's an industry standard because- That's true ... you know, we still have shops, you know, uh, that are probably under $100 an hour in the industry. Yeah. I mean, there's that mobile guy that's out there for 80 bucks an hour. Lucas Underwood: Yeah, yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, uh, I've got shops that are- And thinks he's Lucas Underwood: doing them favors. Thinks he's doing- Yeah, Cecil Bullard: and I've Lucas Underwood: got- ... the guest a favor, man. Come on now. Cecil Bullard: I've got shops that are in the same- General location that are 250 an hour. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know that there's an industry standard. I don't think there is a standard. But- In fact... Yeah. Lucas Underwood: Here, here's the problem though, is that it- standard or no standard, the reality is, is they're setting their price- Survive ... based on feel. Yeah. They're setting their price based on what the market looks like around them and what they suspect the market will bear. And, and I'm telling you, would you go out and say, "I feel like this car needs a $4,000 control module"? No, you wouldn't do that because that's asinine. That's stupid. Why would you take your business, which has the potential to generate hundreds of thousands of dollars of revenue every single year, every single month in some cases- Cecil Bullard: Yeah Lucas Underwood: and take a gamble with it? Why would you do that? You wouldn't do that with a client's car. It just makes Cecil Bullard: no sense to me. Well, you know, we, we don't like... I, I wouldn't go to a doctor that didn't have a degree, and I don't mean this in the sense that mechanic-wise. I'm just saying if I knew the guy was a quack, I wouldn't go there because I don't want somebody- Yeah guessing about my health, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And yet I have this business, and, and my business has done everything for me, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Don't get me wrong, I've also done everything for my business, right? Yeah. But, but my business provides the money that allows me to live the lifestyle, that allows me to help the industry, that allows me to drive a nice truck, that allows me to, you know, have a, a nice coat- Yeah if I want it, that feeds my family. You know, and we can eat steak and, you know, all that. The, the business is the engine that runs your life- Yeah ... in a way, okay? And so I've got this thing that literally can create generational wealth- Mm-hmm ... or it can be a bad job where I work too hard too long and don't, and don't get paid for it. Be a burden take away from Lucas Underwood: my family. Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So, like, I, I'm talking to, uh, another shop a couple of days ago and, and we're talking about, uh, they're gonna- they wanna hire this guy who wants $100,000. And I'm like, "Okay, we can do that," right? Yeah. And I'm like, "Uh, so that's," whatever, it's 50 bucks an hour basically. And, and so, uh, what's our effective labor rate? Well, our effective labor rate's probably not what our po- Our, I think the posted labor rate was between 155 and 175, depending on the kind of car and the job we're doing and- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: and but the effective labor rate was probably 130, 140. And, and so now you're... I'm doing math saying, "Okay, it's $50." Then I've got 30% load, so it's really 65. And then if the guy comes in and he's only, say, 80% productive, then my cost goes from, say, 65 probably all the way up into the high 80s. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And now I'm paying out 55% of the labor I brought in- Instead of 40%. And so that difference of that 15% is the difference in my profit, right? Yeah. And it means I don't make money in most shops. Exactly. Yeah. Many shops are, are not even making 5% profit. Lucas Underwood: Hey. Cecil Bullard: And, and so if you're gonna lose 15% because you hired the wrong guy or you didn't price yourself correctly- Yeah ... or you didn't hold the line or you didn't build value, um, and you're gonna end up losing that 15% and only make 4%, then you have a terrible job with terrible hours and terrible pay. Um- Lucas Underwood: With no return on investment. Yeah. And, and he- here's on top of all of that, like when we look at this and we think about the whole strategy here behind setting our pricing and everything else, like profit doesn't happen by accident, okay? Cecil Bullard: No. Lucas Underwood: You're not gonna just walk into your shop one day and say, "I think the number needs to be X", and set that number and be profitable. Now, you might get lucky. Yeah. You might actually become profitable. But without clean books, without good data, without the ability to look and, and dig into the information- It's very unlikely you're gonna be Cecil Bullard: wrong Well, that's the other thing. That's the other thing that makes me a, a little bit crazy. We have these guys that are really great technicians. And- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: they're great technicians because of, they have the education, they have the hands-on experience, they have the right tools, the right equipment, and they also know how to read the data. Yeah. So, you know, I hook up the car, I get the, this from the scanner. It tr- I track down to the oxygen sensor. I know how to test the oxygen sensor. I know what good is, I know what bad is. I know how to look at a, a wave, uh, uh, form for a injector, and I know what good is and I know what bad is. Yeah. And so they, they do that in their job every day in their life because they think that's important and because it is, but they don't do the same thing in their business. Yeah. They, they literally pull stuff out of the air, or they listen to somebody like me, and they go, "Well, that guy's crazy 'cause he's saying we should be $220 an hour- Yeah. Yeah ... and there's no way we could be... We, every one of our clients- And let emotion drive it ... would run away. Um, you were, you were talking about the, um, the event that's coming up, the diesel event, Thoroughbred. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, I was at, at Thoroughbred, uh, last year and the previous year. And so the previous year, uh, you know, I did a thing and, and talked about the numbers and all of that. And so the next year I'm there and I, I said, uh, "Is anyone here that joined up with the institute or became a client in the la- you know, from the last meeting?" Yeah. And there's a guy, uh, raised his hand a- and I said, "Okay. Um, if you don't mind me asking, and if you're willing to share, what is your labor rate, uh, when we started a year ago? When you joined the institute, what was your labor rate when you first came to this?" And he said, s- uh, he was like, "$79 an hour." Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Right? And I was like, "Okay. And so I'm assuming that you walked away and you said, 'I'm gonna raise my labor rate.'" And he said, "Yeah." And, and I said, "Okay. If you don't mind me asking, what did you raise it to?" Right? He said, "Well, today we're at $180 an hour." Yeah. A year. Yeah. He went up over $100 an hour a year. Now he was- Didn't lose Lucas Underwood: all of his clients. Cecil Bullard: A- no. And I said, "Okay. A- and so how many clients realistically, just, just be as honest as you can, how many clients did you lose? Did you lose any?" And he went, "Yeah, we lost a few." Right? Yeah. And I said, "Okay. And, and who were they?" He said, "They were the people who would never pay us to do the work." I mean- Yep ... he lost maybe 3% of his clients. Yeah. And at, at 3%, so what? I mean- Exactly ... his labor rate- Lucas Underwood: 100%. Cecil Bullard: Think, think about, think about three guys, let's say they're only doing 70%. So- Mm-hmm ... you got three guys doing about six hours a day. You got 18 hours a day. If your labor rate goes up 100 bucks- Lucas Underwood: Yeah Cecil Bullard: that's $18,000 a day, right? Did I do that right? 1,800, uh, 1,800... It's $18,000 a day in a- uh, additional profit that because your labor rate went up 100 bucks, right? And- A- and most people, they're like, they can't even fathom that, right? They, first of all, they don't run the math. They don't figure it out. They're, they're diagnosing based on emotion, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um- 100%. I, I, uh, you know, I had a cl- if you, if you're in this industry, if you're in, in the industry, I don't care where you are, I don't care who you are today, you're gonna deal with price objections- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: every time. Lucas Underwood: Absolutely. Cecil Bullard: And, and, and you're gonna deal with a lot of them. Uh, you and I were kinda talking about that before we started. I mean, right now, uh, a lot of people are out of money. They don't know what's going on. The price of gas is, you know, higher than- Yeah ... it should be, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What's Trump doing? What's... What, what are the Democrats doing? What are the socialists doing? Um- Yeah. Credit card delinquencies- A lot of them- Lucas Underwood: are through the roof. Yeah. Car loans are through the roof. Delinquencies are through the roof. Cecil Bullard: A- and, and you're gonna deal with price objection. And the problem is, if you don't know how to deal with price objection and, and understand your value and be able to, uh, create value for your client- Yeah ... then you're not gonna win the game. 100%. And, and, and what's gonna h- the other thing that's gonna happen is you're gonna get this emotional response, and the emotional response is, "Wow, I have these people that are beating me up on price. And number one, I, it's uncomfortable for me, and I don't wanna be uncomfortable, so what do I do?" Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: "Well, let's lower our price." Yeah. I've shopped in, um, Tennessee- And, uh, the owner was like, "Yeah, we're really struggling right now," blah, blah, blah. Uh, I lowered the price on a, a, uh, several of our jobs, and I'm... I, I just wanna, like, you know... Yeah. Um, and, and what happened was his marketing was bringing the wrong customers in. Yep. It wasn't that- Reaching Lucas Underwood: the wrong people ... Cecil Bullard: we changed the marketing companies, we changed marketing strategies, and all of a sudden the shop is full and people are paying a full price. They're not discounted, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Here, here's the thing is, is you're right, because it is all emotion. And, and- Yes for so long it's been driven by emotion, it's not been driven by data. And one of the things that we fall victim to, and, and I'm gonna tell you one of the greatest David rants of all time, and I was there to witness the telephone call. Because David, say what you want about the guy, he's extraordinarily intelligent, right? Absolutely. And I'm not saying that because he's my best friend. I love David. I'm saying that... Yeah. Yeah. If you really could get David to show you how smart David actually is, it would amaze the people who have negative things to say about him. Yeah. The man is genius level. I would say he's in the top 3% of- He just Cecil Bullard: gets frustrated. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: He... And by the way, if you're really smart, you get frustrated- Yeah ... easier. Lucas Underwood: Exactly, because everything looks easy to you. You're just like- Yeah ... "Why are you this stupid?" Um, and- And then- That's why Cecil Bullard: we're friends, right? And then if you don't learn how to con- It works ... if you don't learn how to control that, it gets you in trouble. So. But, Lucas Underwood: but here's the thing is we, we were riding down the road one day, and this lady is, is fussing about his price. And he said, "I'm sorry, can you help me understand something?" And she said, "What are you talking about?" He said, "Are you an expert in automotive repair?" And she said, "No, I, I, I just own a car." And he said, "Okay, are you an expert in automotive parts?" And she said, "No, I, I, I'm not." And he said, "Okay, are you an expert in automotive diagnostics and testing?" And she said, "No, I'm not." I said, "Do you..." Or she said, "Do I... You know, what, what are you getting at here?" And he said, "I'm asking because I do this for a living. Every single day I make estimates to properly repair automobiles. I, I make sure that I get the torque-to-yield fasteners on. I make sure that I get all the gaskets on. I make sure that I have the part pricing proper so I can stand behind the repair after I'm done." Cecil Bullard: And qu- and a quality part is Lucas Underwood: not a- And a quality part. It's a, I am- And I, I am, I am a professional- Yeah ... at estimating your job. You are not. And I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I don't need you sitting here telling me what the price should be unless you're an expert in pricing it. Now, if you want a different quality product, go somewhere else." Cecil Bullard: Yeah, 'cause that's not what I do, right? Lucas Underwood: And she stopped and she said, "What do you mean?" He said, "You can, you can go down the street and you can have somebody do this job with poor quality parts, not using the torque-to-yield fasteners, not torquing things to spec, lowering the time using a, a poor quality technician, and you can do that if you want. If you wanna take that risk, that's your business, but you're getting what you pay for." Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And the lady said Just do the work. Cecil Bullard: Oh my. Lucas Underwood: And so- Right. Yeah ... it, it was so interesting because it's a completely different mentality than most shops take. Because the consumer comes to them and says, "I can't believe you're gonna charge that. That seems really expensive." It is really expensive because it's expensive- Yeah ... to fix a modern automobile. Yeah, I mean- But instead what do we do? We quiver, we shake inside, we get upset, our little hearts beat fast and we're like, "Oh, God, what do we do?" Cecil Bullard: So- And- ... I bou- I bought my first truck, um, uh, 40 years ago. And, uh, shortly after I bought, I bought a Toyota truck, and it was, it was kinda basic. It didn't have a lot of- Yeah ... crap in it. And that truck was, I think, uh, like eight grand or something. Seven, eight grand. It was not much. Yeah. And, and like, uh, two months later my wife was pregnant with our first and so I had to get rid of the truck and get something- Yeah that we had back seats in. But, but- Lucas Underwood: Yeah, they didn't like it- Cecil Bullard: I Lucas Underwood: bought a- ... back then when you put them in the back- Cecil Bullard: Right ... in Lucas Underwood: the snow. Cecil Bullard: I, yeah. In Lucas Underwood: Utah. Cecil Bullard: I, yeah. I bou- I bought a, a new truck, uh, about a year and a half ago. It was $82,000. Right? I mean, that comparison, I, I bought my first house. My dad's house was 13,000, my first house was 100,000. Uh, I think, you know, we're paying somewhere between six and 800,000 for houses out here today. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and you know, everything, what, what kills me is kinda this, you know, I, I don't know, I went to, um, uh, Jack in the Box, uh, this morning and got a couple of, uh, croissants, one for me and- Yeah ... and one for Kent. And, and it was 15 bucks. Yeah. And I was like, "Those used to be two bucks a piece." That was the- Exactly ... you know, two years ago it was $4. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, a- and you know what I did? I gave them my credit card and I paid for it, right? Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Didn't say a word. Didn't Cecil Bullard: fuss. Didn't- And I didn't say a thing. And- Yeah ... I had to fill up the truck on the way home the other day. It was $4 and, whatever, 38 cents a gallon. Yeah. It was $4.38 a gallon. I got a 32 gallon tank. I mean, it was almost $80 to fill up the truck. And, and you know what I did? Filled up the tank. I ran my card through the machine and paid it and walked away. Yeah. I went to the grocery store, right? And, and eggs were, I don't know, whatever eggs are. Milk was whatever milk was. I spent $400 on, I don't know, a third of a basket of food. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and you know what I did? I paid it and walked out and, and I didn't think about it because that's the way it is. Lucas Underwood: You know, my first business coach taught me a very valuable lesson. He said, um, he said, "You're selling from your wallet." Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And I said, "What do you mean?" He said, "You're selling from your wallet. Everything's from your perspective. And because you're broke, because you're not charging what you need to charge, everything feels expensive. So when you're pricing it, it does feel expensive." And so later on we had this discussion, we're talking about discounts. Because- Yeah ... it, now listen, I, I don't mean to, like, get y'all enraged here. I know it's going to. But here's the thing is like when we talk about this, all these shop owners come up and they say, "No, no, no, my labor rate's $200 an hour. My, my part margin's 60%." Cecil Bullard: Oh, but then they- Lucas Underwood: Why do you have $150,000- Well, they give it away on the other side in discounts? Yeah. Yeah. Right? And, and so he- Cecil Bullard: I see the financials. I'm like, I'm like, "You made t- $2,000 last month, but you had $12,000 in discounts." Lucas Underwood: Right. Exactly. Cecil Bullard: Help, help me understand that, right? Lucas Underwood: And so he- Cecil Bullard: How... Yeah. Lucas Underwood: Well, my, my first coach said to me, he said, um, "I've, I've got a, I've got a rule that you're gonna implement in your shop." And he said, "This is just a set rule. This is what it is." And I said, "What?" He said, "If you feel like giving a damn discount," he said- Yes, absolutely ... "I want you to keep some money in your wallet- Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Big Lucas Underwood: time ... and I want you to go up here and pull that money out of your wallet." I said, "Well, I ain't got no money." He said, "That's my point. You don't have any Cecil Bullard: damn money." And you, and you, and by the way, you never will if you, if you don't stay ahead on the straight. Lucas Underwood: Keep doing what you're doing. Cecil Bullard: Right. Lucas Underwood: And, and- You have to- But see- ... stay ahead on the straight ... we don't think about that, Cecil. We're so- Yeah ... disconnected because we're focused on fixing the car. And, and it, I believe it's a mindset, okay? Because we're back there in the bays and we're turning the wrenches, and in our mind, the, the desired outcome is that car gets fixed. And so we begin to change whatever it takes to get the car fixed. Well, I could lower the quality of the part. I could, I could reduce my labor rate a little bit. I could give them a discount here. Maybe I don't use that part there. Cecil Bullard: No, Lucas Underwood: it's to get the- Because we're technicians, we're- Cecil Bullard: It's not to get the car fixed. And, and I, I understand what you're saying. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: But it's to get the car in, right? I believe that in order to get that car in, I need to bring my price down. I need to be, quote-unquote, price competitive. Except- Tell me what price competitive is. I have shops- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: I probably have, um, in some areas I have three or four shops that we work with, and the price variance between those shops that are in, within 30 miles of each other can be as much as $60 or $80 an hour. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And by the way, the shops that are most successful are not the cheaper shops. Yeah. They're the higher price shops. Lucas Underwood: Yep. Cecil Bullard: Because I think the consumer, there's this thing about price. So I'm, I'm in Edmonton doing a, a gig, and there's a Mercedes shop up there, and this is, I don't know, six, eight years ago, pre-COVID. And, uh, the, the lady that ran the Mercedes shop, she was like, "We can't... Nobody is booking, you know, the phone rings, but nobody wants to come into the shop." And they're a Mercedes shop. And I looked at the shop and it was, you know, it was, it was okay. It wasn't, like, filthy, it wasn't terrible, yada, yada. And, and you know, I called the shop, and it wasn't a bad con- It wasn't a great conversation. It wasn't a bad conversation. And I asked her, I said, "Well, what's your labor rate?" Now, by the way, at the time, say eight years ago, my shops up in Edmonton were between 130 and 160. All right? Lucas Underwood: Mm-hmm. Cecil Bullard: And she was 75 bucks an hour. Yeah. And I said, "Okay, if you own a Mercedes, right, and you're not the fourth owner, you know, the guy that- Yeah the, it's the hand-me-down Mercedes that I got that's not fixed, that's t- you know, falling apart- Yeah ... I have no money. If you're the second owner of the Mercedes or the first owner of the Mercedes, and somebody says, "Well, you know, my price is half of what everybody else's is," what's the first thing that comes into your mind? You know, if you, if you saw, I don't know, if you saw, uh, let's say, uh, tamales, right? You got, uh, tamales. You go in the grocery store, and there's two kinds of tamales. Yeah. They, they kind of look the same, but not exactly the same. And one of them for six tamales is 12 bucks, and the other one is three. Which one are you buying? Lucas Underwood: I Cecil Bullard: know, I'm telling you. I'm not buying the, I'm not buying the $3 tamales. That's a, that's a chance that number one, I'm not gonna like them, and number two, it could make me sick, blah, blah, blah. Might have Lucas Underwood: that listeria added in there. I'm, Cecil Bullard: yeah, I'm buying the $12 tamales. It- Between the ch- I- if I'm thinking about price, right? At all. Lucas Underwood: For sure. I, we, we had those cabins, right, where the shop's at, there used to be nine cabins here. Yeah. And for years they were $100 a night, and they were log cabins. Actual log cabins with a kitchen, with a sleeper sofa, and a living room, and a dining room, had a shower and a, a bathroom. Some of them had hot tubs, had a, a bedroom. And the, the occupancy rate stayed in the 40% range, and my parents were, were content with that. It was paying the bills. It wasn't that big of a deal. They're making Cecil Bullard: enough money to pay the overhead. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. My brother came in and decided he was gonna raise the prices, started charging $225 a night, and our occupancy jumped to 80%. Yeah. Nothing else changed. No marketing, no nothing else changed. And people started coming in saying, "I thought there was something wrong with them. I thought they were gross or nasty or something." ' Cecil Bullard: Cause they were, 'cause they were so cheap. Lucas Underwood: Because they were so cheap. Yeah. Yeah. And, and we don't think about that perspective. And I, I'm telling you, I buy things on Amazon, and I'll see two exact comparisons side by side. Like, I'm not gonna get the cheap one 'cause there's a reason it's cheaper, right? Cecil Bullard: Yeah, when I see the cheap, my, my thoughts are, uh, I just bought, uh, uh, some stuff yesterday and I saw the cheap stuff, and I was like, "I, I don't wanna buy that. It's too risky for me." Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Right? It, it might not be... It might be some Chinese whatever, because I don't know. I mean, it looks like the product, but it's, it, it probably isn't. At that price, it can't be, right? Lucas Underwood: How... Uh, so look, here's the thing, because we, we're talking about confidence, right? And, and at the root, we, we know that the pricing has to go up in this industry. We know that- Yes ... beyond a shadow of a doubt. Yeah. There, there's no if, ands, or buts about it. Nope. And because we, we need to be paying our guys more. I don't think anybody debates that. And if you do debate that- Man, come on now. Second of all- Cecil Bullard: If you're, if, if you're not making 15% net profit minimum- Yep ... on your business, and your business isn't designed to make 20% net, then- Oh you're gonna end up with Ford and struggle. Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Absolutely. Cecil Bullard: Go ahead. Sorry. Lucas Underwood: And, and so here's the thing is, is the confidence piece of this. Because we know that the price needs to go up. We don't have to debate that the price needs to go up. How do we get shop owners to the point they're confident in sharing that price? And I, I think there's a, a, a myriad of things, and I, I think that a lot of small business owners tend to be people pleasers, and that's something that I am learning myself to overcome. And, and I'm trying to work on this concept that if you're not happy, I have to be unhappy, too. And I'm growing and developing in that, but I've, I've realized, like, hey, I can't let that person's emotion dictate my emotion. And so when they- What do you think- Go ahead. Cecil Bullard: What do you think the future of automotive repair... Who do you think are gonna be the existing successful shops, say, 10 years from now, right? Lucas Underwood: Well, I know we're gonna have venture capital and private equity with a bunch of big chain shops bought up. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's gonna be a handful of small independents left that, that could overcome the financial challenges associated with small business ownership and automotive repair in the, uh, in the 2030s. Cecil Bullard: It's all about... It will, it will all, it will all be about a couple of things. First of all- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: it's not about fixing the car. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: You have to fix the car, okay? That, that's a given. That's the base level Lucas Underwood: expectation. Cecil Bullard: That's a, that's a base level. That's not Lucas Underwood: like a... Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Somebody shows up to your shop with their keys and says, "Here you go," they expect you to fix the car, okay? Yeah. It is going to be the, uh, the additional items, the way the customer feels about your service, the way the customer feels about your pricing, the way the customer feels about how you paid attention to them, did you listen to them- Yeah you know, all of those things. And, and by the way, the average person, in fact, I'd tell you 80, 85% of the people will buy the more expensive product if they feel good about the interaction and they feel good about the product. They will always do that. We got a couple questions coming in, so I think- Lucas Underwood: Yeah, I, there's some really good ones in here. Yeah. I've, I've got one, I'm passionate about this one. It says, "How much money should a shop have set aside?" I'm gonna tell you something. The best advice that I was given by anybody before building this new shop was maximize the shop that you have now. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: Don't just decide to move. Don't just think that, and run the numbers and figure out what your max capacity is. And I'm gonna tell you, if I learned anything, I wish I had set on that bad boy for as long as I could, just letting it make money and stacking cash. I would get every single dime of money I can in the bank account, because here's what so many people don't realize about expanding They think when they have that small shop, that when they expand, all of a sudden they're gonna have all this demand and they're gonna be able- Yeah to fill up that new big shop. If you, if you build it, they will Cecil Bullard: come. Lucas Underwood: It does not work that way. Yeah. Right? That doesn't work that way, I promise. Cecil Bullard: Well, yeah, three bays, three bays, low roof, uh- Yeah ... no racks, uh- Exactly ... to, uh, what, 12 bays, uh- Yep ... you know, super high roof. Lot of space. You can get anything you want in, and all of a sudden you think, "Why isn't my shop full?" Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Well, wait a minute, you didn't Lucas Underwood: do all the work. Well, uh, we're making more Cecil Bullard: revenue. Yeah, yeah. Lucas Underwood: That was just the limit of the capacity that we had at the given time. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And so, I, I Cecil Bullard: would- And so maximize it. Exactly, man. So I have a client... Lucas Underwood: Maximize what you got and stack the cash. Cecil Bullard: So that particular question, I think, I think the answer is ve- it varies. Yeah. First of all, every shop, every shop owner should have a minimum of three months worth of operating capital in a savings account, period. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Right? That's before I even think about buying another shop. So- Yeah ... uh, I have a client, uh, we're buying shop number three. Mm-hmm. Um, he's been a client now, I would say probably since 2021. Um, when he started with us, he was making three, four grand a month. Uh, we currently have two shops, we made $87,000 in profit last month. Now, he's got half a million dollars in the bank. His machine is generating between, say, 70 and 90,000 every month. Yeah. The machine that he has built. And, uh, and that's, and that's pure profit, right? It's not, "Oh, I'm gonna have to do this with that or that with it." And then it depends on the deal, because he's gonna buy a piece of property for, uh, a million dollars that comes with a shop on it that just hasn't been operating for a bit. So he's got some- Yeah ... expense for marketing, building it up, tools and equipment, et cetera, that if you bought an operational shop, you wouldn't have. And this is not an owner finance carry. Yeah. So if I'm, if I'm, if I'm gonna do owner financing and the owner's gonna carry it, I might need less cash, right? Yeah. Or if I have to buy more equipment, I might need more cash. Or if- Yeah ... if I have to go through and remodel the shop, I, I mean, I don't think anybody that I've dealt with when they bought their next shop didn't spend at least $40,000 in the move. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Right? Lucas Underwood: And, and at this point, I think 40,000's an undershoot because- Oh, it's way, it's way low ... things have gotten so expensive. I mean- Cecil Bullard: Yeah, you could... I need, my signage is 40 grand, right? Yeah. I mean, if I'm gonna- Yeah, for sure ... put signage on the building. And- Lucas Underwood: And- Cecil Bullard: And, yeah Lucas Underwood: Uh, here, here's the deal about this, is that, that you think, "I'm gonna go buy a shop," or, "I'm gonna go build a shop," and you get these numbers in your head. I promise you, because everybody told me, you can double it. Just double it. Just- Yeah ... right off the number, whatever it is, double that number. And so they told me- And the timeframe ... $2 million, that's what it's gonna be. Yeah. And I didn't believe them. Cecil Bullard: And Lucas Underwood: the timeframe- Cecil Bullard: And so... Exactly. So by the way, not six months, a year. Lucas Underwood: Oh, yeah. Double the money, double the timeframe- Cecil Bullard: Yeah ... Lucas Underwood: and, and then get comfortable with those numbers or even higher numbers than that. Target the lower numbers, sure, but be expecting for it to be way more expensive than you think it's gonna be and take way longer than you think it's gonna take, and be way more uncomfortable, create way more stress. And, and let me tell you something. If you think it's not gonna impact the shop you have now- Yeah ... when you're in the middle of that- Yeah ... you're gonna find out if you grew a team or not. Cecil Bullard: Well, the other thing, I- Lucas Underwood: Because you're gonna be focused on something else. Cecil Bullard: So the other piece of that is if I have a really great team and I have really good systems and processes, I need less money to open the other shop- Yeah because I don't need... Like, the shop I have, if it runs really well, if it runs, uh... You know, if it's very consistent, et cetera, and it's done that for, I don't know, six months, a year, year and a half- Yeah ... and I have a great team there, uh, um, then I need less money to open up the next shop because I'm, I'm, I'm comfortable. I'm putting money- Yeah ... in the bank routinely, et cetera. There was another part of the question, uh, best marketing strategy in a small town. I, I'll tell you the best marketing strategy, period. Do an unbelievable job- Yeah ... for your client. And, and- Treat people well ... and the other thing is, you know, learn how to answer the phone correctly, and learn how to build value from the start. You know, when people- Yeah ... called me and they said, "Hey, Cecil, um, you know, how much for a water pump on a whatever?" I'd say, "You know- Yeah ... I know price is important to you, but before we have that conversation, can I tell you about, you know, Larry's and, and why we do what we do here?" And I never had somebody say, "No, just give me a damn price." Um, I... Then I was able to say, "Look, we... This is our philosophy of taking care of cars. We, we believe that our customers can drive these cars for 10, 15, 20 years and take care of them, and if they do, it's gonna cost them a lot less over the, the lifetime of the- Yeah ... of the vehicle. So every time you come in here, we're gonna inspect the car. We're gonna do a- Yeah ... complete inspection, and every time you come in, someone like me is gonna sit down with you and have a conversation about what you need and, and, and why you need it- I'm gonna be- ... and be able to tell you exactly what it costs- Yeah ... so you can make a, an intelligent decision. For sure. And if that's good, if that sounds good to you, then I have an appointment on Tuesday or Wednesday. And- I think if you create a product that's different than everyone else's product, that's better, that's superior, that you get that, right? The, the, the person, uh, uh, uh, that the, the, the 80% of the population that's gonna value that is gonna value it. The 20%'s always gonna look for the cheapest price. And- Absolutely ... and by the way, they're not my, they're not my, they're not my clients. Lucas Underwood: Exactly. So- Exactly. And, and that's what they're gonna be going after no matter what. You're not gonna please them. And even if you made 50 cents on it, they're gonna be fussing about that. Yeah. Right? And so it, it doesn't work. Now I, I wanna jump into this next question and, and Steve from Wassbalden Motive, Steve, I really hope that we see you at ASTA. Uh, you're in Durham, it's in hometown, so we'd love to see you there. I'm, I'm gonna post a link down here in the comments, and I, I hope that you, uh, see that, Steve. Because I, I think it's important. Because he's asking the question is how do I get my legacy staff to buy in? And I think this is touching- Shoot them Cecil Bullard: all. Shoot Lucas Underwood: them all. There you go. Um- Shoot them Cecil Bullard: all. I, Lucas Underwood: I think it- No, Cecil Bullard: um- ... Lucas Underwood: starts for me with vision. Yeah. And it starts w- with destination. It starts with what we're trying to accomplish, what do we believe, where are we trying to go? Cecil Bullard: What if we really sat down and had a conversation with our staff that said, "Who are we and what do we wanna be?" Yep. "And what's the image that we wanna portray to our clients," right? Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Cecil Bullard: And, and we built that with our staff because, like, I took over a shop, I went in and, you know, within a week I sat everybody down, I said, "Okay, what kind of shop do you wanna work for?" Right? "What do you wanna be? You wanna be a discount shop, you wanna be a tire shop, you wanna be a transmission shop? Do you wanna be, like, a, a top shop in the industry? Do you want the community to look at you as a top shop, or do you care?" Right? And, and everybody in my shop said, "We wanna be a top shop." Yeah. And by the way... So then we started talking about, well, what does a top shop look like? What does it feel like? How, how do they answer the phone? How do they... What's their comeback rate? What's their, you know, what's, what do they charge? Are they on the lower end, are they on the higher end? Yeah. So you, you have to get your team on your side. You have to get your team behind. Like, if I can't value my own pricing- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: how can I expect my team to value my pricing, right? For Lucas Underwood: sure. 100%. Cecil Bullard: I have to be... My, my dad, and I've said this in a lot of classes and a lot of people, my dad always said I had an over, uh, developed sense of my own self-worth. Yeah. All right? But when I was a, a tech working on cars, I always thought, "Man, we are so cheap." And I've always thought that through the whole thing. Yeah. Even as a coach, I'm like, "Man, there are coaching companies that are a lot more expensive than us. Why are we so cheap?" Um, I'm always thinking that, right? Yeah. And, and what that did at the service counter for we was when we were $158 and everybody else was 100- It made me confident because I thought we should be charging 300, right? Yeah. But- It's, it's kind of the same thing as having that cash in your pocket. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: But when I have cash- Yeah ... in my pocket, I think differently, right? Lucas Underwood: He- here's the thing, i- is for me, right? When we're talking about this staff and we're making this transition, we've never charged any more, especially somebody buying a shop, and they know the fundamentals of shop ownership. They know about financials. They're buying a shop that was from somebody who did not know, and they did not charge appropriately. They didn't have a lot of overhead. Now this person's buying the shop, so they've got payments, they've got all this stuff going into it, and they're trying to retain the legacy staff. And I get how hard that can be, but you can't have a staff member that is the equivalent of the bottom 20% of the clients that cause all the problems. If they believe- Yeah ... that no matter what, you shouldn't be making any more money than you have to make, and no matter what, they know how much you paid for those parts, and you shouldn't be marking those up that much. If that's their mindset, if they have a- Yeah, when- And, and I'm... Look, I mean no disrespect by what I'm getting ready to say. If you have a poor person mindset, you're not gonna fit into that organization well. Not a- If you don't believe people should have money- Cecil Bullard: Not a company, not a company that wants to be exceptional. So the other- Yeah ... thing would be, and, and this is not to tout, say, the institute, but well-trained people. We have a service advisor intensive coming up. You know, it's a- Yeah ... three-day service advisor, and, and after many days with some of the top service advisor trainers, sales trainers, what do we- Yeah ... really came up with? We need confidence. How do we build- Yeah ... confidence in the service advisor- Exactly ... in the product, in the price, in the things we do? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, uh, you know, we have a, a big marketing event coming up. We have, uh, the MARS event, which is Marketing for Auto Repair Shops, coming up in October. And, and if you wanna have a great marketing strategy and you wanna learn what you need to do today and what the shops that are winning today- Yeah are doing, that's the place to be. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So I g- I, I have to, I have to a little bit, you know, sell the, the company and what we do, so. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Um, Lucas Underwood: uh- Cecil Bullard: Uh, this question comes from Steve ... how do we... A- and the other- Go ahead. Go ahead ... one, one more thing on that, on that legacy stuff If I can't bring them ahead, if I can't get them to think correctly, if I can't get them on the page, you can't have, you know, two people that think that you're too expensive- Yeah and that you can't, you can't make a profit or you shouldn't make a profit, and, you know, five people that wanna be profitable and wanna go. You can't have- Yeah ... slugs with, with, uh, super performers. You just- Yeah, you can't Lucas Underwood: have slugs- You can't do it ... with the racehorses. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. It's not gonna work out. You, you, it won't work. Right? You, you're exactly right. The racehorses will run a lot slower and be upset. Lucas Underwood: And, and look- Cecil Bullard: So- ... Lucas Underwood: I'm, I'm gonna tell you something. I used to be so afraid of letting people go, and, and I made a video this week talking about this as, hey, I get that there's a shortage of... And, and I'm gonna tell you right now, this is gonna upset some people, we don't have a technician shortage, we have a skilled and willing worker shortage across all trades, across all professions. There's a shortage of people who want to actually work. And so I get the fear associated with letting someone go, but that person will become toxic and cancerous inside your business if you keep them. They will start telling people you're too expensive if you keep them. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, even your clients, by the way. Lucas Underwood: Yeah, that's what Cecil Bullard: I'm saying. Will start making excuses for you with your clients. Yeah. Exactly. "Well, got this new, got this new owner. I don't know. He raised the price, and you know, I..." Lucas Underwood: Yep, because it's gotta be somebody's fault besides theirs. Cecil Bullard: But here- Yeah ... but here, let me help you out. I'll give you a discount. That's Lucas Underwood: it. Right? Cecil Bullard: We, I had a, I had a shop- Yeah ... out of, out of Arizona. Um, uh, we, we went in, and they were not profitable. They lost, I don't know, he, he did 2 million, they lost, like, 200 grand. Yeah. And so I said, "Next year, what do you wanna do?" He said, "I wanna do 3 million." I says, "So you wanna lose 300 grand?" Right. You go, "Wait a minute." And, and I said, "Why don't we do a million and a half, make 20% net?" Yeah. And, and we went in and we looked at their coolant flush and their brake flush, and at the time they were, like, $39. Lucas Underwood: They were charging- Cecil Bullard: Yeah ... $39. Now, by the way, this is 10 years ago, but everybody else was charging 100. Yeah. And so we instantly, we went to 79, right? These coolant flushes and brake flushes gotta go to 79. And his two sons are at the counter, and a month later we're looking at the numbers, no margin changes, no nothing. So we start pulling work orders, and what they were doing was discounting the $79 down to 39. Yeah. Right? Lucas Underwood: Yep. Cecil Bullard: People have to understand that, that first of all, we're not the, we're not Billy Bob's Auto down the street. And so I don't know what's going on at Billy Bob's. I do know what's going on at Cecil's, right? That's, that's what we're gonna do. And- Yeah ... this is who we wanna be, and if we wanna be that, this is what we need to look at, this is what we need to look like, this is what we need the education in, this, these are the things we need. And in order to get those things, we have to be able to afford them, so we have to charge X price, whatever X price is. Okay. And I'm not trying to set a price, but I can tell you right now by math, at, in 1980, we were $70 an hour in our shop. Okay? Yeah. And we were one of the higher priced shops in town at that time, because I'd been through a bunch of training. If I had started at $70 an hour in 1980, and I raised my price 3% to today, we'd be like 286 an hour. Right. Yeah. And, and we're not. I mean, I think the last survey I saw, which was one of the TechMetrix surveys, and it was like 150-something, 152 or Lucas Underwood: something. Yeah, that's what I saw as well. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, and- Lucas Underwood: That's what I saw as well Cecil Bullard: We're, we're not gonna survive at 152, nor would we be able to- Yeah, Lucas Underwood: and, and none of the other industries have lagged like we did Cecil Bullard: get the Lucas Underwood: cars fixed Cecil Bullard: and deliver the rest. No. Lucas Underwood: None of the other industries have lagged like we did. Now, here's a really interesting question by Steve, and I, I wanna answer this kind of from the technical aspect first. Okay. Because he says, "Manufacturers are making it increasingly difficult for anyone outside their dealer network to service their vehicles. As independent shops invest more in the tools, technology, and expertise required to keep up, how do they confidently price that capability and convince customers they aren't sacrificing quality by choosing an independent shop?" Now, a couple things. The first thing is, and, and I loved your explanation of this, all you have to do is go to a dealer one time and you realize the experience isn't so great. And so maybe this- I, I wanna... I, Cecil Bullard: I need to clarify something here. The dealer expenses I have, experiences I have had, have mostly been terrible, okay? Yeah. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: I have had a couple of decent dealer experiences. Lucas Underwood: Yeah, for Cecil Bullard: sure. Just not very often, and, and, and few and far between. Yeah. And so I'm not saying all dealers suck, but the dealers I've dealt with suck. Lucas Underwood: Yeah, for sure. Right? And, and maybe this is a good one for Steve, too. Yeah. Is, like, Steve, go, go take your team, give them the money to go somewhere else and get their oil changed at a dealership and let 'em see what the experience is like, and they'll come back and they'll say, "We're amazing." Cecil Bullard: And I think you should do- And they will go to a, once a year you should go to a Quick Lube. Lucas Underwood: Yeah, exactly. Cecil Bullard: And get the Quick Lube experience, and see- So- ... how they do what they do, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, here, here's the first thing that I wanna say to Steve, is I personally believe, based on my relationship with a number of manufacturer guys, I personally believe... And there's, there's some folks in C-suites and manufacturers who have a very different outlook on this. But the engineering teams and the people, the boots on the ground, who are getting us tooling, who are getting us access to the information we need, genuinely want us to be able to work on their automobiles. There's a couple that don't. There's a couple manufacturers who are trying to lock things out. The large majority of the auto manufacturers are trying to provide us access in a meaningful yet secure way. And so the reality of that is it is more expensive. But here's the deal, is the car itself got more expensive to fix? The difference be- I don't think- Go ahead. Cecil Bullard: I, I don't think that it's more expensive than what they would be doing at the dealership. Well- And if you look at the survey data and the customer data, currently the consumer believes that the independent shop is a much better place for them to be. Lucas Underwood: Absolutely. All right? All right. But, but here's the thing. Here, here's where I was going with that, though. Right. Is the difference being the, the automobile got much more expensive to fix because the technology increased tenfold. I was in a meeting, and Mary Barra was there, and it was like 10 years ago, and she said, uh, the technology in the vehicle in the next two years, I think she said, will outpace what we've seen in the past 100 years. Oh, yeah. And then we saw her again at another event, and they said in six months we'd already outpaced that. Like, it happened before we realized it had even happened. Cecil Bullard: And- And we're gonna have self-driving cars on the road. I mean, and we have them now- It- ... but we don't, we don't have a mass. The problem- Fully autonomous, Lucas Underwood: yeah. Cecil Bullard: The problem that they're dealing with is data transfer, so they can't get the, the links good enough. So as the links improve, as the- Well- ... you know, StarNet and all that improves, that will happen better and faster. But it, it... There's gonna come a point in time in the future where we're gonna have a bunch of self-driving cars on the road. For sure. And that technology is not today's technology. That's not what I worked on five years ago. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Oh, yeah. You know, the- Lucas Underwood: Absolutely. And Cecil Bullard: the technology- Everything has Lucas Underwood: changed so dramatically ... the technology we're seeing in automobile right now has advanced- Yes ... so much in just the past few years, it's unbelievable. And, and here's, here's kinda what I'm getting at, though. Is that the automotive aftermarket, the independent shops have withheld increasing their pricing like they should, while the technology outpaced them. And that technology outpaced a lot of technicians too. And so we, we weren't investing in training of our people, we weren't investing in the tooling for our people, we weren't doing what it took as an industry to keep up. Now, there's a lot of really great shops that have done a fantastic job. You think of Seth Thorsen's shops, you think of, uh, Matt up there in Minnesota. Yeah. You think of these shops that have really put the work in to learn this technology, grow. Brandon Steckler, great educators out here teaching these guys how to take this next technology. And, and somebody commented the other day, and they said, "Lucas, it's voltage drop, it's all the same stuff," right, but it's theory and operation of these systems, understanding how it works, understanding Cecil Bullard: how the networks- It's also, yeah, how, how does the computer talk to itself? How, how, how do the networks talk to each other- It- and how does that data transfer and, a- and that. It, it's, it's changed dramatically in the last five years. Just dramatically. And Lucas Underwood: so, so here's the thing, though, is like as an aftermarket, we just didn't see the value ourselves. The consumer- I- ... sees the value. Cecil Bullard: I also think- Lucas Underwood: If they want their car fixed, they see- Yeah the value. Cecil Bullard: I, I also think that there are, are shop owners that believe that they can just do brake jobs or- Yeah ... I can still do suspension work, and so I'm gonna do that. Yeah. The problem is, is that- You're right up Lucas Underwood: to- ... Cecil Bullard: all of that's getting- ... Lucas Underwood: putting those piston calipers back in. Cecil Bullard: It's all getting... Yeah, it's all getting tied into the computer systems. Yeah. All, everything is being monitored now, and adjusted and changed as the, as the... And it's gonna get worse and worse and worse. Yeah. And I, by worse, I mean there's gonna be more and more opportunity for the peoples that understand the technology. And you said something that I think I gotta, I gotta make a statement about. So the manufacturers of the equipment are gonna continue to wanna sell us equipment. Mm-hmm. Okay? Yeah. So they want us, uh, uh, to do that. We currently work on, I don't know what it was, 78, 79% of the industry. Mm-hmm. So the independents do almost 80% of the work. Um, the dealerships tomorrow, if, if, if there was a law passed that dealerships had to do all the work or even half the work- Lucas Underwood: They couldn't take the- Cecil Bullard: They couldn't do it. Yeah. They're already, some of them are already scheduled out 8 weeks, 10 weeks, 12 weeks. Yeah. Because they also can't get good technicians in their shops, and- Yeah ... they have shops with 42 bays, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And, and, and so I don't fear for us as an industry because of that. I look at, at things like, you know, we just went to STX. What did that cost? Lucas Underwood: Oh, Cecil Bullard: yeah. And if, and if Worldpac decides not to support that because they lost, you know, $2 million putting on STX, now where are we gonna get that training that we need? Yeah. You know, uh, ASTA, the big e- uh, the big event coming up at ASTA, and, and I know that it'll be a great event, but that event should be five times the size it is- Yeah because of the training that's needed. And i- if we don't support that additional training and those equipment manufacturers, they're gonna stop supporting us. Yeah. That's the thing I worry about the most. It, it- That's the thing that keeps me up at night. Lucas Underwood: It's so interesting because I'm, I'm in other industries too, and I go to their trade shows. And, and there's one particular trade show, attendance starts at $1,500 a person- Yeah ... and they put approximately 400,000 people in a convention center, right? Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And you think, at $1,500 a person, and- Cecil Bullard: That's not one of our trade shows in the automotive industry- No ... is it? No, okay. Lucas Underwood: No. Cecil Bullard: Just checking. Lucas Underwood: It's, Cecil Bullard: it's, Lucas Underwood: it is a big trade show. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And it's for the amusement industry. Yeah. And, and there's people here, and they're learning, and they're developing, and they're growing, and they're... Right? Lots of opportunities, yet we aren't there, yet we have a bigger footprint. We have a bigger presence. Definitely. Why are we not there? And, and I'm gonna tell you something, Steve. You're talking about these dealerships. There, there had long been a belief that the dealerships were the authority in fixing that brand's automobile, and I'm gonna tell you something. They screwed that Cecil Bullard: though. They Lucas Underwood: screwed it. That's gone. Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, Lucas Underwood: they screwed it. That's gone. They, nobody believes that. Cecil Bullard: When they- Yeah ... when they decided to try to be competitive with the industry. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So when they, when they, uh, decided not to have all A-Techs... Uh, 25 years ago, if you came in the program, you were gonna be an A-Tech. Yeah. There was no, "We're gonna have 10 C-Techs and one A-Tech." Uh- Yeah ... they couldn't make money because their expenses are so much higher than ours in general, and so they decided, "We need to make money, and we're gonna cut down on A-Techs. So we'll have one A-Tech-" Yeah ... "and we'll have 10 C-Techs, and that's how it's gonna be." Uh, when they decided to compete on tire prices, and when they decided to do quick lubes in their dealerships, they started competing in an area, and they, they lowered, they took themselves off of that, "We're the best" pedestal. They, they did. Yeah, Lucas Underwood: absolutely. Cecil Bullard: And when, when BMW started, uh, using aftermarket parts and going out to- Yeah ... uh, aftermarket suppliers to get a cheaper part for their customers, they don't even understand their market. Are they... Are you kidding me? You know? Well, Lucas Underwood: look, look, I'm gonna give you the hot take, and, and Raleigh's gonna cut this up, and it's gonna go out as a reel. Cecil Bullard: It wouldn't. Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And it's gonna, it's gonna upset a lot of people, so I'm just gonna put this out here. Cecil Bullard: Go, baby, go. Lucas Underwood: All right, here's the deal. I'm gonna tell you what happened, okay? All these technicians were paid unfairly And they were not treated fairly by the dealerships, and there was favoritism, and there was a lot of BS happening in dealerships. They did not see the value in continuing to develop themselves as a diagnostician because the way the pay systems were set up is they could make a whole lot more money hanging parts than they could truly understanding, learning, and growing how to diagnose a modern automobile. Yeah. So they are pattern failure fixers. They do not specialize in deductive reasoning like we see in the aftermarket industry. Now listen, automotive dealer technicians, that is not me talking trash about you. I'm not saying that. You were conditioned by the environment which you were faced with to behave and learn that way. In the independent aftermarket, we have to focus on deductive reasoning, learning, growing, developing at a much higher level. We work on all makes, models, brands of automobiles, and so we do things a lot differently in the aftermarket than you do in the dealership, and we have a lot more skill in the independent aftermarket that fixes cars that the dealerships can't fix. Cecil Bullard: It's a- Lucas Underwood: And so it's about a value thing in that sense. Cecil Bullard: There's another thing that happened, um, and this happened over the past 20 years, and that is, you know, uh, I know the guys that developed the... What's the, uh, mechanic thing where the mechanics would go on and ask questions, and they would have a whole library of- Lucas Underwood: Like IATN or something like diag.ad ... IATN. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. I know the guys. I was, I was... I wasn't involved with it, but I knew the guys. Lucas Underwood: Jeez, you're old, Cecil. No, I Cecil Bullard: am. I Lucas Underwood: wouldn't tell anybody. I wouldn't tell them I'm a diagnost- But- Let me know Scott Brown. Don't tell him you're 70, Cecil. Cecil Bullard: But, but I'm not 70 yet. Um, not yet. I'm not, I'm not dead yet. Um, but, but what's happened over the past, say, 10 years is with... An- and it's gonna happen more and more with AI, is they're looking at pattern failure diagnostic a- as the, as the key because they're saying, "Well, you know, 9 out of 10 times when this kind of a car with this engine, with this transmission has this problem, this is the solution." Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And so now the m- the guys who are technicians at the dealerships, they haven't had to learn how to fix that, that 1 out of 10. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Right? 'Cause they just don't fix it. They just basically- Yeah ... you know, they throw the towel in and go, "No, thank you." And it goes out to the aftermarket, and in the aftermarket- Mm ... we have to... For some reason, we believe we have to fix the car, right? Yeah. Lucas Underwood: We, we don't send Cecil Bullard: them out. And, uh- Lucas Underwood: What Cecil Bullard: are we doing? No, we, we, we basically don't chase anything away. Uh- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: e- even though maybe sometimes we probably should. But, but I think that the skill set that we have developed in the aftermarket is a much broader skill set, a much better skill set, and I think it will take us into the future even- Yeah ... even better. So I, I agree with you 100%. I mean, the, the flat rate pay system, I, I... And here you go. Here's another one, right? It's not fair to the employee. It just is not. It's not. It puts all the responsibility of car count and flow and getting the right parts on the employee's shoulders. And it, it, it- I mean, I, I talked to a shop last week and they're like, "You're at 40% productivity." "Oh, well that's fine because I'm paying flat rate." And- Okay, so now you have a bunch of employees that aren't making any money. How do you think they wanna work? How do you- Exactly. What's the... How motivated do you think they are? I'm gonna come to work and make $400 this week, uh- Mm-hmm ... 'cause we, we're only gonna have, you know, six cars that I can work on. Um, and it's not because the cars aren't there, it's because the process of fixing the car and getting the parts here and getting the estimate done and getting the inspection done and getting the diag done, those processes are screwed up. Mm-hmm. We don't have a tech shortage. We have a productivity and process issue problem in our industry. Yeah. And if we fix the productivity and process issues in our business, every shop owner, I guarantee you, would make five times, 10 times more than they currently make- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: if they fixed that- Yeah ... and got their productivity up. And- Absolutely ... most shop owners are looking at the end and they're going, "Man, I hope I make it to the end of the month, and I hope there's still money left at, on the 1st in the account." Yeah. And they're working their butts off when what they should be doing is running their business and, and fixing those, those productivity and those, those process issues in their, in their business to create the machine that runs the best, right? Yeah. 100%. And I don't think we, we un- I don't think we understand our business in that way, right? Yeah. Lucas Underwood: We, Cecil Bullard: we don't- In this, in this industry. Not as a, as an industry. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. We, we've, we have fallen into the, uh, the trap of seeing our businesses as fixing cars. Yeah. And, and that's one of the issues with being technicians be- that become business owners- Yeah ... is we, we get stuck in the mentality of doing what the business does, and it, there has to be a shift. There has to be a- And, and- ... a view of synergy ... and Cecil Bullard: because it's, because fixing the car for us is relatively easy, right? Yeah. Um, you know, uh, uh, Wayne bought a, a, a used Cadillac and, uh, Escalade and the water pump, uh, was leaking and, and he was like, "Ah, I think I'm gonna do that. It looks pretty easy." So we got a water pump. Ah, easiest water pump I ever put on in my life, right? I mean- Yeah ... I think it took all of 15 minutes to take the water pump off and put the water pump... Took more time to figure out the serpentine belt and how it runs- Yeah, Lucas Underwood: figure how, how Cecil Bullard: to route it ... than, than doing all the rest, right? Mm-hmm. We know how to do that because we've done it a million times. Mm-hmm. Because when I started, I didn't, I, I couldn't have done any of that, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And so our, our, the consumer sees our value when we don't see our value often, and I think we've also trained the consumer to not see us as valuable 'cause we don't value ourselves. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Okay? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: 100%. And until we fix that, until we, until we realize that, yeah, we probably should be upwards of 200, 250 an hour. And, and I'm not trying to set a price. Please, I'm not trying to. Yeah. Whatever it takes you to make 20% net in your, in your place- Amen ... where you're at, in your region with your costs, that's where you should be. That's what your pricing- Yeah ... should be. But- That's it ... if you don't understand how to figure that out, you need somebody that knows how to figure that out. Lucas Underwood: Amen. And listen- Cecil Bullard: So that you can be profitable ... Lucas Underwood: without clean financials, okay? It's gonna be real hard to have confidence in your pricing. But when you have clean financials, then you realize you ain't making no money, it's a whole lot easier to charge that money. " Cecil Bullard: Lucas, we, I think, I think we gotta go up 15 bucks an hour." I know. "Oh, I don't want to, Cecil." "Yeah, but, but we have to, brother, 'cause there's not money in the bottom line." 'Cause you're not paying your bills. Yeah. Well, yeah. Remember those bills that keep piling up? That's it. They're gonna still be there. Lucas Underwood: That's Cecil Bullard: it. Cecil- So confidence in your, in your product, you know, uh, I think the confidence we have sometimes is even weak that we're gonna fix the car. And so we- Yeah ... you know, even a sales guy sometimes doesn't trust the people behind him. Yeah. And I don't think you can sell when you don't trust the staff behind you to fix the car. Lucas Underwood: Amen. ' Cecil Bullard: Cause you're gonna be the one that takes the heat. And so it's more- Yeah ... than just, well, we should be 300 bucks an hour, so I'm gonna be 200 bucks an hour, or 220- Yeah and I can do that and I'll make money. I, I think it's more than, than, hey, I have a skill set that no one else has, or very few people have, and I have people that have that skill set, and there's value in that skill set, right? Yeah. And what we do and how we do it. And, and I think it's even more than, "Hey, if you go to Billy Bob's Auto down the street, maybe you won't get the same service level or the same quality part or, or those things. But here I know that we're gonna do all those things correctly." Yeah. I think it's also knowing that and feeling comfortable that, that in the end for yourself and the consumer, it's gonna be all right. It's all gonna be okay. Yeah. And if you feel that way, if you feel like no matter what I charge, it doesn't matter. What you charge, it really doesn't matter at all. How you treat the customer and whether or not you can build value in what you charge is everything. Yeah. And if I can do that and I feel good about it, then it, I can be very confident in my pricing, Lucas Underwood: right? You're exactly right. Cecil Bullard: Amen. A- and, and it, also, I have to be willing to send some people home Meaning I have to be willing to say, "You're not my customer. You're not willing to pay my price." You know, the guy comes out, I, I had a, um, a water heater blow up or whatever and leak, and guy comes out and, uh, I could go get a water heater at the time for around 1,100 bucks, and I could lug it in, you know, go down to the thing and lug it down and, you know, go out five times to my toolbox to get the right wrenches and, and all of that and, and, uh, then I could hurt my back trying to lug it out of my basement. And guy came in and, and he said, um, you know, how... I said, "How much for the thing?" He says, it's, I don't know, it was $2,200, 20, 26, whatever it was at the time. And I was like, "Okay, great. When can you have it done?" Right? "Oh, I'll, I, I got a water heater in my truck." Yes. "I'll Lucas Underwood: be done." Just Cecil Bullard: go get the water. "Put the water heater in. There you go." That's it. When we were all done, and I, I paid him, I said, "Now, I, I didn't argue about the price. I don't care about the price. What were you charging per hour?" Yeah. "What was your Lucas Underwood: hourly rate?" Cecil Bullard: Well, let's see. He was there for less than 45 minutes start to finish, and the part, uh, my cost at Home Depot was 11. You know, he paid less than that, and he charged me, I don't know, 22, let's say $2,200. I think it was 26, but he charged me $1,000 for being there for an hour- Yep ... and for driving over, right? Whatever that 15-minute, 10-minute... Uh, by the way, he only lives two blocks from me, 'cause I see his truck- That's it ... outside the house, right? Right. Um, but... And, and people tell me, "Well, Cecil, you lie when you say there are plumbers out there that are 4 or 500 bucks an hour." No, I don't. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: I paid it. I've paid it more than once. That's it. And I'll pay it again tomorrow so I don't have to hurt my back lugging the, you know- Water heater ... heavy water heater out of my thing and, and carrying it away. Yeah. Um, and there are- Oh, that's so true ... lots of people in the world that are willing to, ready to, and able to pay that. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And they're not willing to, to do it themselves, and they want a quality product. Amen. If you're that person, be confident in what you do. Lucas Underwood: Amen, buddy. Cecil Bullard: You'll Lucas Underwood: sell a lot more crap. And, and we, we as the independent auto repair aftermarket are here to serve you. And Cecil, it has been great being here with you today. I'm excited to do the next one coming up here soon. Cecil Bullard: Always is, brother. Lucas Underwood: That's it, and I can't wait to see you guys next time. Cecil Bullard: Soon. Lucas Underwood: That's it, real soon.

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210 - Ask Cecil & Lucas The 5 C's of Effective Vehicle Diagnosis & Repair Documentation

210 - Ask Cecil & Lucas The 5 C's of Effective Vehicle Diagnosis & Repair Documentation July 1, 2026 - 00:59:46 Show Summary: Strong repair order documentation protects the customer the technician and the shop while improving efficiency and profitability. Cecil Bullard and Lucas Underwood explain the Five Cs of repair documentation and why every repair order should tell a complete story from the customer's concern to the final verification. They share real court cases shop experiences and practical examples that show how better documentation reduces liability improves communication and builds customer trust. They also discuss accountability shop culture and why consistent processes create better teams and better results.   Host(s): Lucas Underwood, Shop Owner of L&N Performance Auto Repair and Changing the Industry Podcast Cecil Bullard, Founder of The Institute   Show Highlights: [00:00:00] – Repair orders protect the customer the shop and the technician. [00:03:00] – Ask better questions to fully understand every customer concern. [00:07:12] – Confirm every complaint before diagnosis begins to prevent wasted time. [00:12:05] – Complete documentation can protect your shop during legal disputes. [00:18:28] – Use a two arrow diagnostic process to prove the true cause. [00:22:10] – Technicians should document the repair plan and final verification. [00:31:02] – Accountability and quality control keep repair order standards consistent. [00:36:08] – Leaders must follow shop processes before expecting employees to. [00:42:18] – Strong culture grows from systems training and customer focused communication. [00:53:05] – The Five Cs create better documentation stronger shops and happier customers.   In every business journey, there are defining moments or challenges that build resilience and milestones that fuel growth. We’d love to hear about yours! What lessons, breakthroughs, or pivotal experiences have shaped your path in the automotive industry? Share your story with us at info@wearetheinstitute.com, and you might be featured in an upcoming episode.   👉 Unlock the full experience - watch the full webinar on YouTube: https://youtu.be/cIbTInGm09Q   Don’t miss exclusive insights, expert takeaways, and real talk you won’t hear anywhere else. Hit Subscribe, drop a comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear this!   Links & Resources:  Want to learn more? Click Here Want a complimentary business health report? Click Here See The Institute's events list: Click Here Want access to our online classes? Click Here ________________________________________ Episode Transcript Disclaimer This transcript was generated using artificial intelligence and may contain errors. If you notice any inaccuracies, please contact us at marketing@wearetheinstitute.com.   Episode Transcript: Lucas Underwood: Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Lucas Underwood with the Changing the Industry podcast. I own an auto repair shop here in Blowing Rock, North Carolina, called L&M Performance Auto Repair. And today I am joined with one of the elite of the industry, Mr. Cecil Bullard. Cecil is the founder and chairman of the Institute in GEAR Group. And one of my very first classes on writing repair orders was with Cecil. And I'm just gonna tell you right here and right now, I know that we just think that fixing the car is about fixing the car, but when I took that class with Cecil, I really understood the importance of writing a repair order. Because not only is it a repair order that tells you what to fix and tells the consumer what's wrong with the car, but it's a repair order that it's a legally binding document, and it helps us explain and convey information to the client, but it also protects us. So Cecil, how you doing today, buddy? Cecil Bullard: I'm great, Lucas, as always. I'm doing fantastic. Lucas Underwood: Very good. Very good. So we're talking repair orders today. The s- the idea of it is the five Cs, but I think that we need to talk through the process of writing a repair order. So many of us show up at work every single day, and we jump in and we start working on cars, and we focus on fixing the car. But who writes the repair order, who does what part of the repair order, and what information is on the repair order is mission critical to the success of the shop. Because it impacts the close ratio, it impacts liability, right? So if you've ever had to go to court you know how important it is to have some information on there. But it impacts the effectiveness of the shop. So I have seen a difference in productivity and efficiency all the way around by getting the correct information on the repair order at the right time. And so Cecil, I'd like you to kick it off and tell us, guys ask me all the time, "What are the five Cs?" You wanna jump in and tell us what they are? Cecil Bullard: So the five Cs so let me get there in a sec. I wanna- Yeah ... step maybe two steps backward. The repair order starts with the conversation with the service advisor and the consumer- Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: the client. And if I have good canned jobs good descriptions of what I'm doing. For instance, if I'm gonna do a mill light, a diagnostic, or a a electrical diagnostic, I wanna have a really good description of all of that builds value for the client and gets information for the technician. So let, let's think about this- it really starts there. Yeah. I've seen techs spend hours and hours go- because they didn't get the good information in the front. Lucas Underwood: For Cecil Bullard: sure. Going after, going after- Lucas Underwood: It's one of the primary complaints, Cecil. One of the primary complaints- Yeah ... is I just spent four hours looking for this- Cecil Bullard: Yeah ... Lucas Underwood: and you didn't give me the information. And then Cecil Bullard: y- yeah, and then they go up to the service advisor after th- all that frustration, and the service advisor says, "Oh, no. That's n- that's not really what I meant," right? Yeah. And so creating really good CAN jobs to start, which gives us a good heads-up on creating value for our client and give- giving the technician the information that the technician needs to move forward is kinda where this starts. And that really is in a way, that's the first C. What is the complaint from the consumer, right? Yeah. The client. So the first C is the complaint, and we need to document that complaint fully and completely. A- so I can't have a car runs rough. That's not enough for my technician, because my rough, and the consumer's rough, and the technician's rough could be three different things. So I really wanna ask the questions as a service advisor, how often, when, is the car cold? Is the car hot? Is it going uphill? Is it going downhill? Is this only on Tuesdays on a certain road at a certain time- Yeah ... of day? I need to be asking questions of the consumer so that I can get my technician the information that will help them create a problem. So I'll give you an example. Consumer comes in. I'm- I happen to be the service advisor, and I used to be the tech, and says, "I've got a rattle." I happen to jump in the car, and, I write it up, and I'm gonna end up giving it to a tech. But I jump in the car to pull it in the back, and there is just the most ungodly rattle in the trunk. And I- I open the trunk as a service advisor, and there's a bowling ball rolling around. Lucas Underwood: That'll Cecil Bullard: do the trick- And seriously ... Lucas Underwood: won't it? Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, seriously. And so I take the bowling ball. There's a towel in the trunk. I wrap it in this towel, and I put it in the backseat, where it's gonna be secure, and I test drive the car, and there's no rattle. There's no noise, right? And so I basically finish the work order, and the tech never sees the car. And I figure I got her whooped. And so I write the customer up. It was, I don't know, it was probably at the time it was an hour diag. I think I charged him half of the time and said, "Oh, yeah, we got her found, and, isn't this kind of funny? You have a bowling ball." There's actually dents on the inside of the trunk from this bowling ball rolling around. And the consumer pays the bill, drives out, the client, and not three minutes later, he's back in my- ... in the bay in my face. And, you Lucas Underwood: know- This sounds so Cecil Bullard: familiar. And he goes you didn't get the r- you didn't get the rattle." Yeah. And I'm like, "Oh, really?" Could you- Lucas Underwood: How could that not be the rattle? Cecil Bullard: Yeah, how could that... You- you ignored that completely, and now there's some minuscule... So I go for a ride with the guy, and it's actually a squeak coming out of one of the struts. Going over a bump, right? I didn't ask enough questions. I didn't, as the service advisor. And so now, the customer's already paid. They didn't pay enough 'cause I discounted it because it was so easy to, you know- Yeah ... fix, and I felt bad. And now I've gotta give it to a tech and track, put ears on it and track the noise down, and we end up replacing struts. But that's an example of not really understanding the customer's complaint, and that's- For sure ... that's the first, that's the first C. For sure. Lucas Underwood: And look, I'm gonna tell you, this is something that, that I have been through with my team over and over again. We're not just talking about understanding the complaint alone. We're trying to understand their desired outcome. Yeah. We're trying to understand what it is they're trying to accomplish. Yeah. Because if you knew the number of times that I have been working with a client, and they're like, "Hey, I have this noise." And we're talking, and we go all the way through it, and I fix the noise, right? I call them and say this. And I found out later that here I am, I'm on the telephone with them, and I'm talking through, "Oh, the noise. Yep, absolutely. Got this taken care of." Oh, you got this. But I wasn't active listening. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: They were saying, "Hey, I'm not worried about the noise, but there's this thing." Yeah. And so i- if we're not active listening and paying attention to what they actually want to accomplish... and Susan just came back from the advisor intensive. Yeah. And she said one of the things that she brought up is that, hey, I've been on to her. "Hey, convey to the technicians what it is the consumer's trying to achieve." Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: Like- Yeah ... let's talk about what this is. So Cecil Bullard: maybe we need to, we n- maybe we need to create a sixth C, or maybe it's five Cs and an, a- an A- Yeah ... or something because- ... what is it the customer wants? When they walk away at the end of the, at the end of the interaction, what are they really what are they really searching for? Yeah. And I hope that through the five Cs we actually- Find it, we get it, we confirm it, et cetera. So first C is the customer's complaint. The second is the confirmation of the complaint. Yeah. I need somebody in my business to have felt, experienced heard whatever it is the customer is complaining about. Because, I had a guy who worked for me love... One of my best employees ever, do anything for you. Deaf as a post, yeah. And so if you sent him out on any kind of a noise complaint i- with a car, he'd come back and say, "Not a thing. All this... I can't... There's nothing." And I go drive that thing, and sure enough the, there's a noise. And so somehow I want a confirmation. Whether it's the service advisor that, that drives with the customer and hears the noise. One of my questions as a service advisor was, "Can you duplicate the noise?" Yes. "Can you make it happen-" Yes ... at will? And if the customer said, "Yeah," I'm like, "Let's go for a ride," right? Yeah. I wanna hear the noise, right? Because when it's all done, the, I'm the guy who's responsible as the service advisor for making sure that the customer gets what they expected, and that's no noise, right? The, a solution- ... to their problem. How do we create a list of the right questions to ask? Yeah, that's Lucas Underwood: a... Cecil Bullard: Yeah, that's a great question. And ensure we capture it properly. I think that number one, there's an experience. I think at one point there's somewhere I have a list of questions that would be asked. Yeah. Some of my- A Lucas Underwood: diagnostic questionnaire or something ... Cecil Bullard: some of my shops have a diagnostic questionnaire that they use with the client to help make sure some of that doesn't get missed, right? And I think that as a... I need to be, I don't know, I need to be an investigator as a service advisor and I need to ask probably five more questions than I probably would ask anyway, right? Yeah. I would really like the consumer to say, "Wow, that's a lot of questions." Because I tell my service advisors, I, or I used to "I don't wanna know that it's got a noise. That's simple. What I wanna know is how often can it be recreated? When does it happen? Under what circumstances? At what temperature? Driving on what roads?" Yeah. I'd like to pinpoint it so much so that you could say it only happens on Tuesdays and Thursdays between 1:00 and 2:00, going uphill- Come- On X road. I want Lucas Underwood: every bit of Cecil Bullard: detail Lucas Underwood: you can get me. Yeah. I, you know how many complaints that I get from technicians who say, "These advisors are lazy. These advisors aren't getting me what I need. These advisors are frustrating me. These advisors are causing me extra work. These advisors are running me around like crazy"? Well- And, and- There's a Cecil Bullard: natural tension, right? I mean- Lucas Underwood: There is. Yeah. But just good questions can make all the difference in the world. It can. Getting this information, asking better questions. Because look, it only makes the technician more efficient, and when the technician's more efficient, guess what? You're gonna sell more work, Mr. Advisor. Cecil Bullard: More productivity equals- Yeah ... more money in the bank. And also less frustration, and that's- Exactly ... for me, that's kinda the point. I don't want anyone in my business to be frustrated. Yeah. Frustration you don't work at your best when you're frustrated. Yeah. I don't care what, which job you're doing you just don't work at your best. Yeah. And I want a confirmation. I want in the write-up Someone to say, "I took the car, I drove the car, I heard the noise, I experienced the problem and I need that in the write-up." Yeah. Not just the car has a noise. We replaced the upper control arms, and now it doesn't have a noise. Yeah. I need to... that customer could have another problem six months from now, two years from now. Yeah. Most shops now are y- are probably at least three year, 36,000-mile warranty on most of what they do. And so if that customer comes in two years from now and there's a different service advisor or even myself, I'm not necessarily gonna remember everything that happened. Yeah ... I wanna be able to read that work order and understand not the process, what we went through, what we experienced, why we did what we did. Yes. And I wanna be able to really clarify that for the for my client. I, hey- and it has little to do with court, but I gotta tell you, even yesterday I'm talking to a client and they're like- ... "Oh, I'm in trouble. This customer wants $1,700 back for X, Y, and Z." And I'm like, "Okay. Did you take pictures of the service and the repair that the car was fixed when you did what you did?" "No the tech always forgets to take pictures. They won't take pictures." Yeah. Whatever. And looking at the write-up, there's no clear why we did what we did and what the outcome was. For sure. Lucas Underwood: Absolutely. Cecil Bullard: It's just we replaced the upper control arm bushings. Okay. And if you go to court with that, you're dead. You- Lucas Underwood: Exactly ... Cecil Bullard: don't go. Lucas Underwood: I'm gonna tell you a little story, okay? Years ago, and it was when I first started kinda learning how to run the business, I'd hired my first coach at the time, and a guy came in, and he came from a local rental place, and he was tearing a building down. He was loading the building up, and he was taking it back, and he's kinda like one of these hotshot truck drivers, except he was doing work while he was on site. And if I remember, I'll go post pictures of this at some point. I gotta be careful about it 'cause I don't wanna alert anybody, but so long story short, this gentleman has a brake problem, and I get done with the c- with the truck, and I did the things he wanted done, and I said, "I'm gonna tell you something. I don't trust this thing. It's not stopping right. I couldn't tell you why." And I need to do more testing to determine what that is. You're telling me you need to leave right now, but something does not feel right. Something is not right here. And so I'd driven it, and this was right when I first started learning to write repair orders, and so I put all over that ticket, the brakes are not right, the client declined additional testing, we offered to do the testing for free, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We don't know what the results might be of this. And so few days later, the guy who referred him out here and he said, "Hey man," he said, "Is this that truck that you were telling me about that I sent over?" And it's this picture, and this thing, Cecil, there's nothing left of it. Yeah. It's in pieces. The cab's ripped off of it. The axles are out from underneath it. The bed's ripped off of it. Now, the highway patrol shows up out here at the shop. Yeah. And he walks in and he's asking all these questions about the truck, and I said, "Here..." "Here's what I have, and here's the signed repair order where they signed off picking the truck up, and here's all the information that I had about the truck." He said, "I've never seen anything like this." He said, "I've never seen this written up." He said, "You were in the clear anyway." And I said, "Why?" He said, "Because he went off the top of that mountain with 42,000 pounds on a truck that was rated for 12." Cecil Bullard: Yeah. He said, "There was-" you know why it wouldn't stop, right? He said- I don't know why. Maybe it's 42,000 pounds in the back- ... when it's only supposed to have 12. Lucas Underwood: Exactly. And so he was- Wow ... he was super cool about it, but he said, "Man," he said, "I'm telling you," he said, "That just..." He said, "That's all I need. What you put on there is enough for me-" Yeah ... "to know that the driver was at fault for this accident." He said, "Because you told him as a professional something was wrong." Which, yeah, and- The number of tickets we see that have nothing on it- Yeah ... fixed brakes. I probably see 10 to 15 of those that come into my shop, dealers, independent shops, the whole nine yards, and they bring me their service history and I'm like Fixed brakes Cecil Bullard: So think about this, 'cause I don't think any shop owner understands the liability that they have. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So I put a fixed brakes on the work order- Yeah ... and I don't write anything else. I don't write what I found, I don't write why I fixed them, I don't write what happened when they were fixed and how it rode. Yeah. I do nothing but fixed brakes, right? Lucas Underwood: Yep. Cecil Bullard: And that guy goes out and drives it off a mountain and all of a sudden I'm in the middle of a lawsuit that could cost me everything I have. And you think, you would think that wait a minute. I'm a corporation, I'm an LLC or a, an S corp or whatever, so I'm protected as the owner." If there's- Yeah ... anything illegal that goes on, your protection is wiped away. Gone. And so- Yeah, Lucas Underwood: buddy. If you've ever- And- ... pierced the corporate veil- Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And then- ... they can find out anything. Cecil Bullard: And then I have the excuses of it takes too long to write the work order." Okay. Charge the customer for it. Yeah. I mean- Yeah ... if I have to document and I have to do a good job of documenting what happened and it takes an extra 20 minutes, then raise your labor rate. Or I don't know- Yeah ... add another 20 minutes to the work order to, so that you can document properly, because it's too important, right? Lucas Underwood: It is. Cecil Bullard: So I- It's too Lucas Underwood: important ... I've got a question though because it- Okay ... this is something that comes up. I've got a lot of shop owners that I talk to about this and they say no, you're better off putting less information on there, because then if you put more information, they could say you touched something. You did something. You took something apart.'" From my experiences, that's not the case. I- Cecil Bullard: I have never gone to court. I've gone to court personally for myself like four times. Yeah. I've gone to court 13 times for clients. I've been asked to go to court probably 50. All right? The 47 times I did not go to court- Were because the paperwork wasn't done right. Yeah. There wasn't enough information. Okay? The 13 times I went to court, I won. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Because the paperwork was done properly, because everything- Yeah ... was spelled out correctly. Because the signatures were in the right places. Because the mileage when it came in was on, and the mileage when it left was on. I had a lady with a Chrysler. It's one of my favorite stories. Really nice older lady. Came in, we did, I don't know, $3,500 worth of work to it. Struts, suspension work, tires, brakes, blah, blah, blah. And as part of what we did, we documented the fluids. We documented that the transmission fluid was good. We documented that the transmission was shifting properly. We documented that the engine was running well, that there were no oil leaks at the time that we were driving the car. We drove the car, I don't know, 22 miles as part of what we did. And 800 miles later, about three and a half weeks later, the transmission crapped itself. Okay? 123,000 mile, 140,000 mile Chrysler. Old Chrysler, yeah. Yeah. And so she came in hot. And I brought out the work order. I looked at what we did. I looked at why we did it. I told her, I said, "Look, see here? We checked the fluid. Here's a picture of the fluid. It looked good. There was no metal in it. See here? We drove the vehicle. We drove the vehicle, 22 miles. It was shifting perfectly. There were no problems with the way it shifted. So let me ask you a question. I just wanna ask you one question." She said, "Okay, fine." "Should we have sold you a transmission At, 800 miles ago when it was, when the fluid was good and the transmission was shifting perfectly as a precaution just because you had 123,000 miles on your car. And she looked at me and she went, "No, probably not." Okay, great. And but if you don't have the story, you can't back up what you did and why you did it. Yeah. Yeah. You have to have the story. And it, I don't know. For me if you're a service advisor in my shop, which okay, I don't have one today but I certainly ran a lot of shops for many years. And you're a service advisor in my shop, and you're not gonna write the story out, and you're not gonna create the right documentation, you're not gonna work for me. Yeah. And if I have to take over for you at 3:00 'cause you got a dentist appointment or you gotta go to your daughter's dance recital or whatever, and there's no information for me, the next day's gonna be a hard day for you, Lucas Underwood: right? Yeah. Absolutely, man. We- Absolutely ... Cecil Bullard: we should get in the pattern. So let's talk C number three, right? Okay. We talked about two. Number three is what's the cause? What is causing the vehicle? And I can tell you in my shops we use what we call a two arrow approach. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Okay? So you can't tell me that the code was whatever and it means that the number five spark plug wasn't firing properly. That's ... Okay, that's, that is not necessarily the cause. That's the out- an outcome, right? And you can't say we need to replace the number five spark plug because the code was here." I want testing done that tracks it to say, "This is what we're replacing, and this is why we're replacing it." Yeah. I want a second arrow. And so- For sure ... all of my guys knew if they didn't have a two arrow approach we, w- I wasn't selling it. Okay? Yeah. Or I might call the customer and say, "Look, we need to do some additional testing." I didn't have a problem with a guy coming to me and saying, "Hey, Cecil- ... I gotta run three more tests and then I need two more hours to, to really figure out what this is." Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Does not bother me a bit. Cecil Bullard: Not even- I'll do it Lucas Underwood: all day long. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. But I do have a problem with the computer basically told me number five cylinder." Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And- Absolutely. Lucas Underwood: 100% Cecil Bullard: Because I know having done this for a million years, right? Look at me, I look like I'm a million and a half. But that's a problem waiting to happen- It is ... if we don't have a clear what the cause is. Lucas Underwood: And I'm gonna tell you something. So there's this new and it relates to this question that's coming up right now, so leave the question up. There's apps now, like WhisperFlow, right? And so I can open this app on my phone, and I can dictate directly to it. Does an- ... excellent job of dictating what I'm saying, and even if I wanted to drop it into AI and have AI clean it up and make it more presentable, and I copy and paste it in, you're talking about 15, 20, 30 seconds of me describing- Yes through voice transcription what's going on with this car. So we're not talking about adding a lot of time. We're talking about converting the expertise of the technician To text on the repair order that the consumer could understand and that if, God forbid, you ever had to go to court the judge could read it and understand it. There are a ton of videos of court cases where- Yeah ... a technician is in court explaining what happened, right? And listen, I'm gonna tell you something, because this says, "Isn't it the technician's job to document all these things on the repair order?" A lot of it is, right? The initial stuff, in other words, where we're talking to the client, trying to understand what's happening, that is the service Cecil Bullard: advisor. Service advisor. St- begins the Lucas Underwood: story. But everything else... Exactly. The beginning of the story- Everything else does come to the tech ... Cecil Bullard: the beginning of the story and the end of the story are the service advisor. Lucas Underwood: Yes. Cecil Bullard: Okay? Lucas Underwood: 100%. Cecil Bullard: The middle is the tech. Today. Now, 20 years ago, that wasn't true. All right? Yeah. We didn't have systems where the techs could go in and put the story, and we still have a lot of shops where there's communication issues with the technician that they don't speak, English as a second language or a third language and they just- Yeah ... don't communicate very well. Yes, I want my technician documenting the tests they ran, what the outcomes were. And by, by the way, if, i- again, if you're working for me, let's say that we got an air conditioning system. I want documentation a problem with the air conditioning. Air conditioning doesn't cool. Blows hot air, right? Okay. When? All the time. All right, great. Now I wanna put the gauges on it. I wanna document the pressures. I wanna document- Vent temps ... the vent temps, et cetera, and I want someone to test drive it to verify that it's got hot air, right? Yeah. And under what conditions. All right? 100%, yeah. And a- and that's the tech is, that, that's going to do that for me. Now, we're gonna recommend we're gonna point to a cause. The compressor's bad, right? And we're gonna point to a cure, the fourth C. What's the cure? We're gonna replace the compressor. We're going to replace the condenser. We're gonna replace the I don't know what they have in POA valves- Orphus tubes ... or Orphus tubes or whatever we got today. And then we're gonna evac and recharge the system, right? That's the repair plan. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And in my opinion, the technician's the one that has to create the repair plan, okay? Yeah. And once we've done that- I want a retest of the system. Lucas Underwood: Yes. Cecil Bullard: I wanna know what's different. What were the pressures today- Yep ... when we drove it? And I wanna show by mileage that we actually drove the car. I don't- Yeah ... I want an in and out mileage on everything. Yeah. I don't care if you drove it just a mile test drive, so it came in at, I don't know, 143,000 miles and it left at 143,001. Yeah. But I want the finish of the story. Here's what happened after we fixed it. Yeah. Here's what it looks like. Here's what it feels like- You're exactly right ... today, right? Lucas Underwood: Yes. Cecil Bullard: And because I'm, what I'm doing is I'm also creating a story for the customer so they understand that I didn't just fix the air conditioning, right? Yeah. And I do that in quotes on purpose, right? Because if all I did was fix the air conditioning, what is that, right? Yeah. Oh, you put a little Freon in it. What does that take? Five minutes? Yeah. They make those little cans that you can go down to Pep Boys and buy, and you just put 'em on and turn 'em upside down- The bane of my existence ... and in five minutes the Freon's in the thing and you're done, right? No. We did all of this testing. We did this. We pulled these parts off. We put these parts on. The cleaner and the clearer the story- Yeah ... the less liability I have. If I have to go to court- The more value in the ticket ... or if I have to defend my... Yeah. If I have to defend myself- Yeah ... the more able I am to. And I, don't get me wrong, I don't wanna create a four-page story if there should be a half a page story. Yeah. I used to tell my techs, if you can tell me the service advisor. So when you're writing the work order, a- as a service advisor I always felt like I needed four pieces of information from my tech. One, tell me what's wrong. Okay? Tell me why it's wrong, right? Brakes are worn and need to be replaced. Okay? They're at two 30 seconds, one 30 second, metal to metal. Te- tell me that. Tell me the parts you need to do the job correctly. So is it pads? Yeah. Is it pads and rotors? Is it pads and rotors and a hardware kit? Is it pads, rotors, and a hardware kit, and calipers and hoses? What is it? And then tell me how much time you think it's gonna take. Yeah, for sure. I get that we have a book, and I understand- ... that the book is write X-tra Mile. But you're the one looking Lucas Underwood: at the car, not me. Yeah. I can't tell you how long it's gonna Cecil Bullard: take. You s- you see the fact that somebody has, you know- Yeah ... narfed up the bolts and et cetera, or there's rust or whatever. Tell me what you think and- Yeah ... and then I can create an estimate. And if I get those four pieces of information, they're clear enough, then I can create an estimate and sell that work to a customer. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: I have an... Here, so you gotta bring me back, man, 'cause I'll go, you know me, I'll go- Down the rabbit hole ... Lucas Underwood: way with Cecil Bullard: it. But I ha- I have customers that just they don't get that from the techs, and then the service advisor can't do their job properly. And what they want is for the service advisor to go out and look at the car. Yeah. I don't wanna go out and look at the car. In fact, there's a whole coaching company that's service advisors should be the ones looking at the car because then they can see..." Service advisor, if you're not a good- They're not the professional ... it's not their job and they're not the person. That's the job of the inspection of the car and the repair- Yeah ... plan for the car is the technician's job, Lucas Underwood: right? Exactly. And look, if you know how many times that I have worked with shops and somehow that advisor ends up walking out to the car, making a recommendation, saying, "We should do this, we should do that," used to be a technician. And it's this desire, it's like a curse of knowledge. I wanna fix this thing. I wanna help. I wanna show them I know what I'm talking about. And they get so overzealous that they end up making a mess. And so I think, somebody just dropped in the comments and said, "Hey, that's the responsibility of the shop to train the tech." Stop the Cecil Bullard: technician. Absolutely. I thought it was a- I got a comment I have to make. Matt Allen, go screw yourself, buddy. Lucas Underwood: I Cecil Bullard: thought that you were saying- I was in business for 27 years, and that whole time I ended up in court four times. All right? I went 13 times for different clients, and I've had thousands of clients. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So buddy, you know- ... stop trying to yank my crank. Lucas Underwood: Diesel's, diesel does not Cecil Bullard: put up with any of that. And go screw yourself. Have a nice day. Oh, Lucas Underwood: that's awesome. Now, Cecil Bullard: where were we? Lucas Underwood: That's awesome. Okay. Cecil Bullard: Look- you wanted some fire, there's some fire, Matt. Lucas Underwood: You got the fire. Cecil Bullard: You can add that to your- This is gonna Lucas Underwood: be a real, Cecil Bullard: we're gonna chop this up to your internet and get some hits Cecil's a mean guy. Lucas Underwood: He's Cecil Bullard: an Lucas Underwood: idiot That's it. That's it Thank you very much. I, look I'm just gonna say that I think that overall when we look at this process, 'cause I just had a good talk with a friend of mine just I guess two nights ago, and he said, "Man," he said, "My technicians came to me and they said, 'Hey, we don't feel it's our responsibility to put all this information down. That's the front's responsibility.'" And I'm gonna tell you something, I, one of the biggest things that I've learned, and we... You remember Jeremy Hoyum? He's from Phoenix. And Jeremy is just such a phenomenal human being. And he was talking about this a while back, and he was talking about accountability, and he said... A- and let me explain. So he coaches 15, 16, 17, 18-year-olds into leaders, right? Because he was in the military, he came out of the military, and he went into the family entertainment space. And here he is, he's saying all this stuff, and he's trying to teach these kids how to work in a business and how to talk to people. And in today's world, I'm gonna tell you, that's a whole different ball game, right? It's a whole different ball game. Yeah. And he said, the failure..." And listen, he's worked for some massive organizations, right? Like- Yeah ... thousands and thousands of employees. Yeah. And this guy's in charge of training them. And he said, "The problem is that we don't have the conversation when it happens." And he said, "So listen-" Wait, well- Go ahead. Cecil Bullard: We are so great at- At picking up the pieces at the end. We're not really great at fixing the process- Definitely ... in the middle. Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Okay. So he tells this story. It's about taking the trash out, right? And he says so Tim is a new employee." And he said, "So Tim comes in and I trained Tim on how to do all the things." And he said, "At the end of the training, I talked to Tim about taking the trash out. 'Tim, you take all the other cans and you put them in this bag. You tie this bag up, you take it out, and you put it in the dumpster.'" And he said, "So Tim comes to work for me," and he said, "Here we are, it's four days in, Tim's taking out the trash every day, and I come in, and Tim didn't take the trash out." And I said but Tim's a nice guy. I really like Tim, and I don't wanna pick on him. I'll just take the trash out." And he said, so it goes on a little bit, and he said, "Three weeks later, Tim doesn't take out the trash again." He said, "Man, what is up with this kid? I've told him about this, and I need to go talk to him. I open the door and the place is full of people." He said, "I can't talk to Tim right now." He said, "So I forget about it. A few more weeks pass, and Tim forgets the trash again." He said, "Now I'm really upset. I'm frustrated. Why is this kid not taking the trash out? I've, Because I've had this experience, I'm thinking about it like Tim should be able to read my mind and know I'm frustrated, right?" And he said, "So what happens is here's Tim, and we're not taking the trash out, and I'm raging, and I sling my door open. Tim's not at work today. And so now the next time Tim doesn't take out the trash, I go and pull him aside and I rip him apart." And- "What were you thinking? You didn't take the trash out." Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And what I should have done is the first time the trash wasn't taken, I said, "Hey, Tim, what's the process? How do you do this?" Lucas Underwood: Exactly. "How often do you do this?" Exactly. He said there's only three answers. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: There's the right answer, a partial right answer, and there's the wrong answer. Yeah. And he said the partial right and the wrong answer are my fault, not Tim's, right? And Cecil Bullard: If you're if you're paying attention- Lucas Underwood: Yeah Cecil Bullard: and you're doing the right things, then your employees are gonna understand you're paying attention. They're much more likely to go ahead and do what needs to be done. Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Cecil Bullard: If you'd handled it in the beginning, you didn't have to get mad, right? Yeah. Lucas Underwood: And we, we- I talk a lot about- Cecil Bullard: Yeah Tim Kite. We struggle. Lucas Underwood: You remember Tim Kite? And I talk a lot about him. I've sent you a couple of his videos, and one of the things that Tim Kite said is, "You promote what you permit." Yeah. And so Tanner is in the comments. Tanner is the shop owner that I'm talking about. Yeah. And it's like Tanner gets distracted, and he goes and he wants to do all these new great big things. Now I'm over here doing this, now I'm over here doing this, now I'm over here doing this. But you weren't holding your team accountable. Yeah. And so if I'm not holding my team accountable, and if I'm not policing the work orders, and I'm not reviewing the work orders, and I'm not doing an audit, and I'm not checking in with my team and saying, "Hey, this didn't meet my expectation"- and if I continue to let it slide- Cecil Bullard: Yeah, and do you have it documented how the work order's sp- supposed to be written up? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: I don't know. I think mine is like seven pages with pictures of the order, why it's in that order how it's written up, whose responsibility is each piece of it, right? Yeah. And so that, and, is it the technician's job to do all of that? Eh, maybe s- maybe not. You might have a different process in your shop. Yeah. It's management's job to make sure everybody that's involved in the process understands clearly their part of the process- For sure ... and how to communicate clearly. Lucas Underwood: And that the process is efficient, right? Yeah. Like I, that's what I hear from so many technicians and so many advisors is, "Hey, our process does not flow. Our process does not work in our shop." And so nobody's looking at it. It's just we've always done it this way." Yeah. Okay. Let's work together to figure out how the process needs to work. And one of the greatest piece of visi- pieces of advice I've ever gotten was that repair order comes up and it's not right, it goes back, right? Cecil Bullard: Yes. Lucas Underwood: Yes. I'm not moving forward until it's fixed. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: I'm stopping right here right now. You're not going on to another car- Well- ... until you correct this repair order ... Cecil Bullard: you put quality control in place as part of your process. Yeah. So in our shop we had a parts guy. We felt like that was a value to us, and so we had a parts guy, so he was the first one to see the work order from the tech. If the inspection sheet, w- again, we're talking a few years ago, we didn't have DBIs, but if the sheet wasn't filled out properly and the estimate wasn't filled out properly, the tech got called in to redo it. Yeah. The work order didn't move. Yeah. And if that means the customer didn't get their car today- Oh right? Yeah. I know I've disappointed a lot of people about getting their car today. Sometimes because of parts, sometimes for other issues. Sometimes it's because my tech wasn't playing the game right, and we had to, send it back two or three times. Yeah. But the other thing is i- if you're willing to put that effort in and make sure that the job is done as efficiently and correctly as possible, and then you have quality control. When I first got to the last shop that I ran, I, for probably three months, I QC'd every work order- ... because it was so messed up. Yeah. At the end of three months, 95% of the work orders were going through fine. Yeah. The stories were good. The stuff was in the right order. The estimates were done. The inspection sheets matched the estimates. The service advisor had written everything up and presented everything, and the work order had the customer did not buy these things, here's why we recommended them- Yeah. Declined repairs ... at this time, right? Yeah. Declined repairs- Yeah ... et cetera. We had a very specific way all that was done. It was documented in a process. It was taught to everybody. It was retaught to everybody. It was quality controlled throughout. So the parts guy's the first guy to look, the second guy's the service advisor, the third guy's the manager, right? Yeah. And as a manager, after three months, I started pulling one day a week. Yeah. I didn't need to look at every work order because I had the other things in play. I only had to pull one day a week and look at them to make sure that we were still on target, right? Yeah. I'm l- I'm looking for pattern failure. I'm not looking for, oops, somebody made a mistake and missed one piece, right? Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Cecil Bullard: And- Exactly ... and so I'm trying, I'm always trying to identify pattern failure because pattern fails then get you in trouble, right? Lucas Underwood: I've got a question for you and see if this resonates with you, because this is something that when I first started really working on my shop and learning about how a shop should run and what a shop was supposed to do, that this was the biggest issue that I had, and I just wanna see if this resonates. When I put these processes, policies, and procedures in place, and I made a video about this just the other day, I oftentimes said, "Yeah Mrs. Smith's in a hurry, so I'm not gonna do that today," or, "This happened, so I'm not gonna do that today," or, "Oh, they can bring their own parts this time because I don't want to upset them And so I put processes, policies, and procedures in place, and as the business owner, I gave myself permission to override them because I- it was my name on the door, right? And I'll never forget, I had an employee come to me one time and "This is asinine. Why are we even, why do we even have rules if we're not gonna follow them?" I'm like I'm, but I'm the owner." And they were like but you put the rules in place, and that they're the, they're making the mess. Like, why are we doing this?" I Cecil Bullard: think, I think- And that made Lucas Underwood: so much sense ... Cecil Bullard: I think we need to be smart about exceptions, and I think there are exceptions. Yeah ... I have a rule that no owner supplied parts. None. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: But I have Mrs. Jones that's been a customer for 35 years. Her husband died five years ago. They brought their oil because, 25 years ago we let people bring their own oil. Yeah. And so she's just used to bringing her oil. I'm not gonna beat Mrs. Smith up about bringing her oil. I'm, you know- ... d- I'm paying back 35 years of a great customer- Of Lucas Underwood: loyalty, yeah ... Cecil Bullard: yeah, et cetera. And I think my staff would understand, yeah, we do have a rule. It is, the only exception is Mrs. Smith. So number one, few exceptions. Yeah. Number two, if you are the owner You have to abide by the rules better and more- Yes ... than anyone else in the business. If you're a manager, if you're a leader in that company, you abide by the rules better than anyone else. Yes. Because they're looking at you and they're saying that's a stupid rule. I don't know if I wanna do that. And wait, Lucas didn't do it." Yep. "If he doesn't have to do it, I don't have to do it." Yep. And pretty soon- Or every Lucas Underwood: staff ... Cecil Bullard: pretty soon there's no process. Lucas Underwood: Yep. Cecil Bullard: And pretty soon- It's not a rule anymore your average repair order's dropped- A suggestion ... your productivity's dropped. Yeah, and you're just not making money the way that you should. You're not profitable the way that you should. Lucas Underwood: And it's chaos, right? Yeah. It's pure chaos because now the standard that we're supposed to be operating by is no longer functioning. And if we continue to break that and we continue to say, "Yeah, but. Yeah, but. Yeah, but." And look I have exceptions too. Yeah. But we've gotten really good about "Hey, let's have a discussion about this exception and make sure we all agree that this exception is reasonable and rational," right? Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: I love the- Let's not just jump at it ... Cecil Bullard: yeah, I love the, I'll tell someone, "No waiters." Waiters are not... It's not in your favor to have a waiter in your shop. They're not thinking right, they're not in the right place. But again, I have Mrs. Jones, who's always waited for her car. Yeah. She's got nowhere else to be. Being at the shop is an exciting thing for her. Yeah. Because otherwise she's sitting at home, staring at the walls. And- Yeah ... and so yeah, I'm gonna let Mrs. Jones come in and wait. And that's... And I've also got somebody who, their car broke down on the road and they're with the car, and they don't have an option. They've got a car, they've gotta be somewhere, we're fixing the car, they're gonna sit around and wait. They're... Yeah, I'm gonna let them wait. They... We need to have common sense. Lucas Underwood: Yes. Cecil Bullard: But we also need to have policies and processes that are followed 99% of the time, right? By everybody. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And that's what, that's what creates efficiencies in your business. If it, if done right- It's a ballet, right? Yes. Yeah. The call is answered right, the customer feels good about coming to, they feel like you care about 'em, they feel like you've listened to them et cetera. They show up, you're there to greet 'em, shake their hand, say hi, pump up the shop and why, talk about your unique selling proposition. Ask them questions so that you are sure that you understood what the situation is, what their out- desired outcome is, what their problem is. Document that properly so the technician can pick it up. If necessary, and I can't... If I have to write a five-page story for the tech I'm probably not writing that five-page story. That's the one that I'm gonna write a one-page story, and then I'm gonna go out and talk to the tech about. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Yeah. " Cecil Bullard: Hey, I just wanted you to know, here's some strange things or different things," or whatever. And then the tech gets the work order and knows what to do and documents the stuff properly, beginning, middle, and end. And then it goes to the, in our shop, the parts guy, who then verified that we made our profit and that we stayed within the estimates that we talked to our customer about, and et cetera. And then the service advisor gets it and verifies again that the parts are done right, the margins are there, the stories are correct, the spelling is 99% good, the grammar is 99% good. Yeah. That two years from now, somebody picks this up, they know what happened. If a w- a, a a wife takes that home to her husband and hands it to her husband, he could read it and understand- Yes. Yeah ... not just what was done, but why it was done, and create value there, or vice versa. If a husband takes it home to his wife, right? I'm not being misogynist here. I'm literally saying there are often- Yeah ... other people involved. That work order could go- Yeah ... in any one of a number of people's hands, and Lucas Underwood: my- And they need to be able to understand it. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Yeah, my story. Lucas Underwood: And same for me, right? That's a major thing for me, because there's nothing more embarrassing than that car coming back a year later. Yeah. And me standing here saying, "I wish I could tell you why we did what we did or why I thought we needed to do that," or whatever it may be, but I can't. Cecil Bullard: You know what I r- ... what I really hate? I've got a customer standing in front of me, and the customer says "Hey how are my tire pressures?" And I look down And there's no tire pressure recorded Lucas Underwood: So embarrassing. Cecil Bullard: Or, how are my bra- I thought my front brakes might be bad. Oh, no, it says here your front brakes are good. Well- They're green ... how much is l- how much is left, right? The I don't have the information I need, even right at my counter. I took my truck in the local Goodyear, and I said, "Align it. ... You're putting tires on it, align it. The tires are worn." We put I put brakes with what it drilled and slotted rotors. Yeah. I spent big money and put tires on it at the same time, said, "Align it and check it out w- when you do the service," right? When I come back and the guy says I said, "There, there's nothing here on the inspection. Nothing." And he goes you only have 43,000 miles. It's probably fine." Lucas Underwood: It's probably fine. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And I said, "And you didn't align it." It was close enough." I'm not a close enough guy. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And- Lucas Underwood: Close enough counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And I ended up taking my truck somewhere else, and they did the alignment, and they bought, for the rear part of it, they had to buy whatever to make the alignment work and, the- Yeah ... I don't know, I spent another $1,200 on this thing that... And at the same time, I'm at the Goodyear, they're complaining about how bad business is, right? You could've got another 1,200 bucks out of me- Yeah ... if you'd have done it right. Lucas Underwood: How much of that, though, okay, so let's go back to Michael Smith for a minute. How much of that is culture? How mu- Well- ... like if in your shop, because in my shop I walk out here and I talk to these guys. Their focus is taking care of the client. Their focus is being an advocate for the client, because that's what we talk about. That's what we do. Yeah, and- That's what we believe Cecil Bullard: in ... and do they understand what that really means in the day-to-day operation- Yeah ... have I- ... it's one thing for me to say we're here to take care of the client." It's another thing for me to have the systems and processes in play that get taught and that my people really understand what that means. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. E- exactly, and my thing is, "Hey, if you don't understand this and you don't know why we're doing what we're doing, let's talk about it as a team," right? But you look at some of these other shops, and I've talked to a lot of guys from those other shops, and what do they say? It's the only thing they talk to us about is money and production. Yeah. That's all they talk about. And the advisor's over here saying, "I'm not gonna get my bonus if you don't get this done," and the technician's saying I'm not gonna get a bonus anyway. I get paid flat rate, and you're not giving me enough work," and it becomes this dog-eat-dog thing. There's a whole- As opposed to the focus being taking care of the client ... Cecil Bullard: there's a whole methodology for running an automotive business and making it as efficient and creating the best culture that you can in the business. And then there's, it, there's a lot involved, but there really isn't, right? Yeah. You could say geez, I have to think about hiring and my hiring message, and I need to have, a employee requisition form because I need to know what the skillsets and the traits are that I need from the new employee so they fit into my culture. And I need to have a good interview process and then I need to have a good training process, and I need to have the processes to train on," right? "And then I need this and I need this and I need this." And I think for a lot of guys, they're just trying to get the job done so they can get the money so they can pay the bills. And a- as you said in the beginning of this or in, in early parts of this, we're- We miss the, like we don't fix the problem when the problem should be fixed. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. We- we're really good at saying, "I can't do that I can't have that conversation right now because there's people." Okay. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Then let's go for a walk, right? Yeah ... I'll go for a walk 100 yards away from everybody else. I'll have the conversation about the trash cans and taking the trash out. Yeah. I don't... Or I'll put it on my calendar for tomorrow and say, "Can you meet me in my office at 10:00 so that we can have a-" Yeah. "I need to speak to you for 10 minutes," right? Yeah. We, w- we are so often, overwhelmed with making the money and just trying to make sure that the bills are paid that we miss some of the really important pieces. And it is, once you have the team on track and you have the culture, it makes it a lot easier. Yeah. When you have the processes, it makes it a lot easier. If you create consistent communication, company meetings at the right times well-defined it makes it easier, right? Yeah. And with every little thing that you are able to put in place, everything that you're able to fix, every time you do that, it makes it easier, and you're also more likely to get the outcome that you want. Yeah. Which frankly it isn't all about money. It has to be somewhat about money because if I can't- Yeah ... pay my bills, then I'm working all the time- ... and I'm not home, and my head's not in the game a- at home, and I need that too. Lucas Underwood: I'm gonna tell you something. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: I talk to a lot of shop owners. I talk to a lot of- ... technicians, and I talk to a lot of service advisors And they all believe that one of those others is looking at what they can get from them, right? Yeah. The shop owner's looking at how much money you can make me. The advisor's looking at how many hours you can turn and what I can get out of the deal, and the technician's looking at how many hours he's gonna get on his ticket. And you know the interesting thing about it, Cecil, is when I talk to them individually, none of them actually want that. None of them actually believe that. They just want to come to work. They wanna earn a good living. Sure. They don't want it to be stressful. They don't want it to be aggravating. They don't want it to be a mess. They don't wanna get yelled at by a client. They don't wanna get yelled at by a coworker. They just want to live a good life, right? Cecil Bullard: The point i- in a way is first of all, I always say this: automotive service and repair is a team sport. Lucas Underwood: Yes. Yes. Cecil Bullard: The service advisor is not more important than the tech, and the owner is not more important than the service advisor or the tech. Yeah. And the kid that cleans the floors and takes the trash out, whoever that is- ... or the old per- old guy that does. Who knows- Yeah ... I, my next career. That, that person is just as important. I- if we all- Yeah ... play our roles and do our thing, we're all gonna be fine. Lucas Underwood: You're exactly right. Remember what Zig Ziglar said? He said years ago, and he said the CEO could leave for a month and nobody would notice." Cecil Bullard: Yeah. " Lucas Underwood: But if the lady who answers the phone were to leave for a month, the place would fall apart." Cecil Bullard: Fall apart. Lucas Underwood: Because the director of first impressions was no longer present, right? And you need- And we just miss it. We Cecil Bullard: just- Yeah ... Lucas Underwood: don't see Cecil Bullard: it. And you also need to cross-train because you are gonna have people that are gonna be out, and so- Yeah ... it, the- Like I said, to me, running a shop and a successful shop is really fairly easy. Yeah. There's, th- there's always gonna be some issue. "Hey, our car count's down. Hey, our average repair order's dropped." Okay. If you have the methodologies in place to measure and the methodologies in place to manage, then you're gonna be okay, right? Lucas Underwood: That's it. You'll make it through the- As long as you'll learn, right? Yeah. As long as you're willing to open your mind, do a little bit of research, learn from people who have been there before because, there's way smarter people out there than me, and I don't need to- See- reinvent the wheel. Cecil Bullard: You see this flat spot on my head? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So that's from banging it against the wall way too many times. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So we haven't covered all five Cs. Lucas Underwood: Yeah, we got one more. One Cecil Bullard: more. So we have the cause and the correction. I need a confirmation of the correction in my write-up. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Test drove the car 23 miles, verified that it's running properly, the temperatures are at X degrees. The, the gauges are fine. The light's not on. Yeah. Yada, yada, yada. Because when that customer leaves, if they have another problem, they come back, I want it well-defined what we did, and I wanna know, is that my problem, or is that not my problem? Yeah. Because cars break, thank God, right? They break- Yeah ... and otherwise I wouldn't have a job. I wouldn't have a place to be. Yeah. So I think you're reading- Sure ... the comments. There's a pretty long one that came in. Lucas Underwood: I like that because that is my belief as well, and I know it's yours as well, is I feel like- Yeah Personally feel like flat rate for technicians and commission for advisors are the worst things that can be implemented. And I understand there's gives and takes of that, right? I- Yeah ... I know. But a lot of these guys, and so I posted this in some groups that have a lot of dealer technicians in it- I'm gonna tell you something, Cecil. The only answer I have at this point is leave the dealer, right? Yeah. That's the only answer I have for you. Because a- as I'm talking to these dealer guys, it's not fair. Okay? Cecil Bullard: No. Lucas Underwood: The way they're treated is not fair, there's no doubt about it. Cecil Bullard: I'm sure there's a dealership or two out there- Yeah that do a really good job and treat their people very fairly. There's not enough. And there just aren't enough. Lucas Underwood: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: every time I teach a service advisor class or a management class, I'll have somebody come up to me and they'll say, "Yeah, Cecil, I know that all sounds good, but my owner won't let me do X, Y, and Z." Yeah. "My owner won't. My owner won't won't follow the rules," et cetera. And I have a comment. Your owner sent you to me. I can't badmouth your owner. On the other hand, you have to decide what you're willing to work with and what you're not willing to work with. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And so if you're... what's the minimum level of, Acceptable ... of incompetence I'm willing- Yeah ... acceptable level of incompetence I'm willing to put up with? And if you are good at what you do, if you're a good service advisor, if you're a good tech, oh, my God- Get a job ... the sky's the limit right now, right? You can go to... I could send you to th- three different recruiting companies that would get you a fantastic job with great pay tomorrow, right? Yeah. And, Pay how Lucas Underwood: you wanna get paid. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: In the environment- Cecil Bullard: Et cetera ... you Lucas Underwood: wanna be in. Cecil Bullard: And I would say, you know- The problem with flat rate and the problem with hourly there's problems on both sides of that. There is no pay plan that is perfect except a blended pay plan that allows for as they produce, as they do what they, you want them to, they can make more money. But the base- Yeah ... has got to be a substantial base. We know that from Maslow. If we're not able to- Yeah ... take care of our people and have them feel comfortable working for us, like they're gonna be able to pay the bills and once, maybe once a week get a steak or something then we're not taking care of our people properly. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And we're not charging what we need to charge to do that. Whatever that is, it has to be fixed, right? Lucas Underwood: Exactly. Cecil Bullard: You're- or we're gonna, or we're gonna not attract and keep good people in our industry. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. And, here's what I keep hearing is that, "Oh we've got these warranty times," and, "Hey, I don't get paid for going out. 'Hey, can you go out and check the tire pressure in this? Can you go out and read the codes in this? Can you go do this and go do that?' And it's not on the ticket anywhere, and I'm not... and like I'm compensated by flat rate, so you're basically stealing my time." And Cecil Bullard: that's not right. I would agree 100%. That's why you need- Yeah ... a good base, because if I ask you to, if you need to go help one of your fellow workers, I want you to be able to do that and not feel like you're getting punished, right? Yeah. Lucas Underwood: Yes. Cecil Bullard: And, a- and so pay plans is a whole nother it's another meeting, right? Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: It's another podcast. Lucas Underwood: It's a... I think that we all believe that we have to change this industry. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. Lucas Underwood: We have to make this industry different than what it's been. Your whole belief system is I have to make a change because I want this to be different when I leave it because of the efforts that I made, right? And I think we all feel that way. We want this industry to be better. And here's the thing that frustrates me the most, is that we've got to pull these people along with us. Yeah. So many of them are jaded. So many of them are aggravated. So many of them are frustrated. And so I'm saying, "Hey, we've got to work together and share a message that resonates with everybody, and we've got to move the industry." Because when David and I started the podcast, one of the discussions was is like, we weren't... "How are you guys gonna make a difference? You're not gonna reach that many people." And we said but if we reach one person and we made their life better and they got a little bit better, and maybe they could impact somebody else." If somebody doesn't take action, nothing ever changes. And I think that's where our industry has been stuck for so many years. And so I commend you for what you're doing with everything you're doing right now to genuinely make the change, not just talk about making the change, but genuinely make the change. Cecil Bullard: I got a limited time. I don't know what it is, the older I get, the shorter that window seems to be, and we're not there yet. We got a lot to do. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. And like- Cecil Bullard: And Andrew Andrews, you- if you wanna reach out to me I'd be more than happy to spend an hour and go through pay plans and systems because we have 'em, I have thousands of shops using them. They're fantastic. They're great. Yeah. Technicians make good money. Get the desired result. Yeah. Techs make great money, service advisors, the shop, et cetera. It's not the end of the world. So I... We got the five Cs, right? Yep. The the customer's concern, the confirmation of the concern, the cause, the cure, and the confirmation of the cure. So we- Yeah ... we did what we promised here. And if you guys need to You know, like I said the institute, we're here to help, and sometimes that's... We've got stuff online, we've got stuff on YouTube- Yep ... that you don't have to pay big money. We have we have gear4shops.com. We have, Yep Auto Academy. It's not always, "I gotta pay." Yeah. 100%. A lot of the stuff we do is let's help you, and maybe at some point you say, "Wow, they did a good job helping us, and so now we wanna- Yeah ... sign up for coaching," or whatever. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. And look, I'm gonna tell you, this data is good data for technicians too, okay? Yep. I see a lot of these guys going out and starting their own shops and they don't have any knowledge or any experience. Their dream's to start their own shop, and do this thing on their own, and show the world how to fix the industry by doing it themselves. And so I just wanna say hey, if you're a technician, go consume this data now, right? Even if you don't wanna- Yeah ... start a shop. Go- Cecil Bullard: yeah. Lucas Underwood: Well- Go learn about this right now ... Cecil Bullard: but understand how you're paid, and why you're paid, and how that works, and how what the shop charges, and how what you do makes a difference on that. Yeah. Because i- if you can't understand, then it's gonna be difficult for you, and you're never gonna make the kinda money that you wanna make. You're j- it's not gonna happen for Lucas Underwood: you. Amen. Cecil Bullard: So the more you know, the better prepared you'll be. Lucas Underwood: Amen. Amen. Cecil Bullard: I made a decision 1,000 years ago, when I started to be as, to get as much information and to just know much about this business as I could. Lucas Underwood: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And it has paid off in spades for me. Lucas Underwood: Amen. Cecil Bullard: Just as a tech, as a service advisor, as an owner, as a consultant. That effort, that choice that I made, 35, 45 years ago- Lucas Underwood: Paid big dividends, didn't it? ... Cecil Bullard: changed everything, so- Lucas Underwood: Yep ... Cecil Bullard: do the same. Lucas Underwood: See- Thank you for being here. Yes, sir. Cecil Bullard: Love you, brother. You know that, right? Lucas Underwood: Love you, brother. Y'all be good- Yes, sir ... and we can't wait to see you at the next AMA. Cecil Bullard: Yes, sir.

How a Purple Heart Veteran Became a 6-Shop Auto Repair Owner [RR 1097]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode What does it take to grow from a single auto repair shop to six locations in less than a decade? Host Carm Capriotto sits down with AJ DeBuono to discuss his journey from serving as a U.S. Marine in Iraq and Afghanistan to becoming a successful multi-shop operator. AJ shares the lessons learned through rapid growth, the acquisition strategy that has fueled his expansion, and how military discipline, financial discipline, and a commitment to people have shaped his leadership approach. Rather than buying struggling businesses and attempting turnarounds, AJ focuses on acquiring profitable shops with untapped potential. What You'll Learn How AJ leveraged SBA veteran loan programs to purchase and expand his first auto repair businessWhy he prefers acquiring profitable shops instead of distressed operationsThe key performance indicators he targets to quickly improve profitabilityHow military leadership principles influence his management style and business decisionsThe importance of creating career advancement opportunities through expansionLessons learned from growing too quickly and navigating financial stressHow AJ approaches shop transitions to minimize disruption for employees and customersWhy maintaining strong personal relationships with team members remains a priority despite operating multiple locations Growth is not simply about adding locations. It's about creating opportunities for your people, building systems that scale, and maintaining the discipline to make smart decisions when the pressure is highest. AJ DeBuono's story demonstrates that successful expansion comes from acquiring the right businesses, investing in your team, and staying focused on long-term value rather than short-term gains. AJ DeBuono, Diehl Auto Repair, Chicago, IL Learn more about NAPA Auto Care and the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collectionsBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto:Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion.https://remarkableresults.biz/Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z:From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life.https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the Numbers: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest.https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcast: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level.https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/The Weekly Blitz: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching.https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/Speak Up! Effective Communication: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills with Craig O'Neill.https://craigoneill.captivate.fm &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

Ep 100 - Andrew Fischer | Why Most Technicians Shouldn't Own a Shop

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HEREIf you're like me and aren't good at marketing, don't do it on your own. Let the experts handle it. Touch HERE for more on Turnkey Marketing.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HERE When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!This episode is Mikeless - just how we like it. HA! Today Bryan rides solo at TOOLS 2026 and talks dynamics between technicians and service advisors Andrew Fischer. They bring up the importance of fundamentals and communication—technicians often overlook basic testing but expect to dive into advanced diagnostics, leading to costly mistakes and frustration. They also talk about ego and misunderstanding: both between team members in the shop and toward customers, highlighting how crucial it is to clearly explain repairs and processes, not just rely on expertise. Timestamps:00:00 The real hardest job in the shop: service advisor confessions03:08 Training struggles, being away from family, and the reality of evening classes05:02 Why owners MUST vet what you’re paying for in auto training07:11 Technicians skipping fundamentals—and how it comes back to bite your shop10:20 Ego, ignorance, and the "alphabet soup" of tech skill levels13:13 Fast techs vs fixed cars: the hidden cost of comebacks and efficiency16:19 Communicating diagnostics: where most techs screw up (and how AI helps)19:06 Why the front counter is pure chaos—and techs can’t handle customers21:13 Explaining diagnoses in a way anyone can understand (with help from AI)25:26 The service advisor’s secret: what customers REALLY want to know28:12 The "zip code" analogy for why testing matters30:28 Shops that charge for time vs selling fixed vehicles—who really wins?32:40 Real-life story: four shops, still not fixed (and how a dead battery fooled them all)34:35 What to do when you just can’t fix the car (real talk and lessons learned)41:33 The problem with technician forums & why the smartest avoid them44:28 Why most technicians will never be ready for business ownership47:46 Full circle: gratitude, getting humbled, and growing as a leader50:02 What every technician NEEDS to understand before running a shop

Profit Panel pt.2 : Unlocking Massive Net with P&L Secrets - Bonus Zoom Episode 8

Glenn Piccolo hosts Profit Panel part 2 with Charlie Zlatkos, J.J. Mont and Lynn Massengill to unpack how shops drive real profitability through P&L literacy, gross profit improvement, and operational discipline. The episode covers practical steps: raising gross margins, fast and accurate P&Ls, the crucial Accounting First and Fraud Prevention class, hiring and retaining A‑players, the cost of cash deals, and leading from the trenches. Actionable takeaways focus on measuring every dollar, creating auditable books, incentivizing team ownership, and building a durable, sellable business. AutoshopAnswers.com Auto-Shop-Media.com

Ep 96 - Jesse Jackson | The Truth About Selling Your Shop to Private Equity

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HERETurnkey Marketing takes the stress of doing something I'm not good at off my plate. And gives it to someone who is. Click HERE for more.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREWhen I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Jesse Jackson is the CEO of Mango Automotive and knows a thing or two about scaling an auto repair business. Mainly because she scaled to 8 Figures in 3 Years. Yeah. Pretty good. She tells Mike why it's important to her to help shop owners retire comfortably, the realities of private equity buyouts, and innovative solutions like the new co-op model aimed at giving small shop owners a fairer shot at big multiples.Email Jesse - jesse@mangoautomotive.comTimestamps:00:00 Why the gap between private equity & shop owner deals matters01:01 The surprising drag bar origin of the podcast logo02:14 Jessee’s family business journey: three generations, tough choices03:29 Why Jessee hated the shop as a kid…and college “studies”04:21 Why teaching wasn’t in the cards—parenting, patience, and expectations05:57 Public vs. private school and family debates about education07:06 Trades, college alternatives & raising hands-on kids08:33 Kids figuring out life—boomerangs and avoiding $100k mistakes10:06 Official intros: Mike Allen, mother of seven, owner of eight shops10:35 Mike’s unconventional leap from environmental engineer to automotive mogul11:46 Growth secrets: from 0 to $17M in four years13:10 The ultimate session: “Growing from zero to eight figures”14:41 Acquiring shops: The stories, motivations, and the human side16:35 Shop owners and retirement dreams—how Mango is changing the game19:11 The “1 to 3 out of 100” rule—finding shops worth acquiring20:05 The evolution of Mango’s team and Jesse’s focus on marketing & acquisitions22:45 Which shops do they buy? Turnarounds vs. high performers23:10 Shattering revenue records—and a little friendly competition24:32 Can the next gen kids take over? Mike’s family talks legacy26:08 The 30-by-2030 vision: getting rolled up with equity27:01 Why the current system feels broken—and how the Mango co-op could fix it29:35 Jessee’s TechMetric ad break – Shop life made simple31:09 The real question: Is selling to PE a betrayal or a smart exit?32:06 Getting honest: Life, legacy & why helping owners matters34:43 How the Mango co-op actually works—details & process36:44 What’s next? Growth, challenges & why five years feels like a lifetime39:00 Favorite markets, new territory, and expansion goals40:29 The thrill of the shop game—and the hunt for the next big thing41:44 Want to sell your shop or join the co-op?

Stop Running Your Shop Like A Charity

In this episode of Repair Shop Reckoning, Kevin breaks down one of the biggest problems killing repair shops right now: Owners are doing the work… but they are not controlling the money. What starts as a conversation about cash basis vs accrual...

Ep 92 - Mike Allen and Bryan Pollock | Should Advisors Be On Flat Rate?!?

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HERETurnkey Marketing takes the stress of doing something I'm not good at off my plate. And gives it to someone who is. Click HERE for more.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREWhen I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!In this episode, Bryan Pollock and Mike Allen take a shot at service advisors. Well...not out of hate, out of a comp on how we treat technicians. Why can shop owners treat techs a certain way, but when they approach advisors with a similar stance, it's the end of the world? Something to chew on. They also dissect the myth that more advisors are always the answer, showing how deep-dive analysis can reveal wasted hours and productivity bottlenecks. And of course, they have some spicy, unfiltered fun, taking swings at industry sacred cows like the “300% rule” and sharing why making your own AI tools (and adopting top-tier shop software like Tekmetric) can boost both sanity and profits.Timestamps:00:00 Kicking off with a classic: Service advisors and efficiency “WTF” moments03:44 Are podcasts ruled by ADHD? (Spoiler: Absolutely)04:36 Lessons from Becky Witt & Hunt Demarest07:13 Techs-to-advisor ratios and what shops get wrong08:52 Where does the advisor’s time really go? Company-wide honesty hour10:07 The “unaccounted for” hours—every shop’s dirty secret12:24 Why mental gear-shifting kills productivity (and everyone’s guilty)14:07 Investing big in software and still doing things “the old way”16:07 Bridging the front-to-back gap: Should advisors have to see every repair?19:31 Switching to Tekmetric: Will Bryan ever actually do it?22:59 Real shop, real talk: One tech per bay and the volume game27:20 Training, conferences, and why small events can outshine the big names29:31 Free diagnostics, efficiency, and why some shops should re-think their value31:35 Can great techs break the rules? The real value of experience34:08 Should customers pay for your learning curve?38:38 Average effort = average pay (and why that’s actually okay)40:49 Diagnostic rates, shop profitability, and the marketing money trap42:45 Getting left behind: AI, chatbots, and the future of shop work43:09 Upcoming class: Build your own AI shop agent & get your hoodie!48:53 Final confessions, hoodie reveals, and a not-so-subtle jab at 300% stores

Ep 91 - Greg Buckley & Dan Thieken | Repair Shops That Sell Tires and Use A.I. Are Winning

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HEREIf you're like me and aren't good at marketing, don't do it on your own. Let the experts handle it. Touch HERE for more on Turnkey Marketing.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HERE When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!In this episode, Mike Allen, Greg Buckley and Dan Theiken break down the nuts and bolts of tire sales, sharing strategies for maximizing profits without getting buried in equipment costs. Greg dives into how strong local marketing (along with a well-branded shop van) has helped his shop stand out in a busy market. The crew also explores the fast-moving shift toward AI in the automotive aftermarket, from building smarter workflow tools to the dream of AI-powered estimating. Timestamps00:00 Does selling tires boost suspension work?03:00 Upcoming AI workshop & live shenanigans05:17 International golf trips, shop talk, and bourbon07:49 Who’s who: Meet Greg Buckley & Dan Theiken10:30 Tire sales strategy: Margins, GP/hour & labor costs13:03 Affordable tire equipment for small shops15:59 Managing tire inventory without a giant warehouse17:50 Tire protection plans, TPMS, and upsell opportunities19:43 Growing tire sales in different markets21:02 Local marketing, rolling billboards, and community outreach23:54 Shop expansion, buying land, and creative waiting rooms26:06 What AI is doing to the auto industry—real talk27:30 Building custom AI tools for shop owners29:39 How prompt writing is becoming a must-have skill31:30 Using AI (and Tekmetric!) for smarter shop management34:56 AI-generated content for training and onboarding35:55 Replit, podcasting, and next-gen marketing36:56 Songwriting, creativity, and AI tools like Suno41:01 AI’s impact on creative arts (and your Spotify playlist)42:10 AI avatars, digital influencers, and the automotive connection43:42 The AI “holy grail”: Instant estimates and DVIs44:42 Comparing shops: How AI is shifting sales and workflow46:55 Shop advisor roles, relationship-building, and speed47:33 Integration overload: The single-source dream48:16 Soup Radio: Building a multi-location media presence

Ep 90 - Aniz Lavji | This Shop Owner Saw 50% Growth!?

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREAniz Lavji is a Canadian shop owner and new podcaster! Today, he and Mike reflect on Aniz's growth over the last year and how attending his first trade show (ASTA Expo) sparked a major shift in both mindset and operations, especially after adopting Tekmetric (the best software ever, obviously). They also talk about the explosive role AI is already playing in shop management, the importance of shop culture and community, and how Aniz plans to continue growing this year. Timestamps: 00:00 There MUST Be a Day Limit onLoaner cars01:14 First trade show jitters, family stress, & Niagara Falls survival09:25 Building heart-centered shop culture & supporting your community13:04 Miata confessions, advisors, and the subculture of small cars14:03 QuickBooks to Tekmetric: The leap that sparked 50% growth22:07 Shop struggles: 454 cars in one month & tech shortages23:12 Planning for the future, hiring advisors, and stepping back24:47 Will AI take over? Balancing efficiency and human connection25:24 Loaner car policies: Leadership, responsibility, and big lessons30:15 North Carolina vs. Ontario: Shop culture & competitive spirit33:04 Trade association impact, collaboration, and ethical business38:45 Go-kart racing, trophies, and shop owner bragging rights40:44 Rage bait, social media, and “winning” on YouTube

Ep 147: Scale Your Business with Culture | Eric Svedberg

Ep 87 - Coaching Call #16 | Maximize Repair Orders with Prebuilt Tickets

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HEREIf you're like me and aren't good at marketing, don't do it on your own. Let the experts handle it. Touch HERE for more on Turnkey Marketing.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HERE When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!In this episode, Matt Lofton and Mike Allen talk through Mike's shop's performance in March. Matt talks about the importance of pre-building estimates and leveraging tools like Detect Auto to maximize tech average quote and streamline workflow. Mat also shares his approach to combating misleading "vanity flush" services in the market, emphasizing transparent communication with customers.Timestamps: 00:00 – The “Vanity Flush” Confession: Why $99 Services Aren’t What You Think02:24 – eBay Hero Cards, Shop Swag, and Why Autographs Still Matter04:14 – Record First Quarter, March Recap, and Looking Ahead05:50 – Fly With the Eagles Recap: What High Performers are Learning08:52 – DIY Shop AI: How to Create Your Own AI Agents and Save Big12:03 – Struggling with Close Rates? Blame (or Bless) Your Advisor14:09 – Prebuilding Estimates for Maximum Tech ARO16:13 – Setting Up Customers: Deferred Work, Maintenance, and Upsells17:33 – BG Programs, Fluid Service Sales, and Overcoming Industry Myths20:01 – How Corporate Store Pricing Drives Shortcuts (and Dirty Tricks)23:05 – Value-Add vs. Price-Only: The Ruth’s Chris Cheeseburger Analogy24:49 – How to Fill Tomorrow’s Bays with Opportunity, Not Just Oil Changes28:16 – The Pit Stop Program: Getting Customers Back 4x Fast30:48 – The Loyalty Cliff: Retaining vs. Losing First-Time Customers33:12 – Risky Repairs and the Real Cost of Saying “Yes”39:45 – Ritz Carlton vs. Motel 6: Finding Your Shop’s Sweet Spot43:04 – Social Media “Rage Bait”: Marketing Tactics and Lessons Learned44:58 – Worry About Your Own Shop! Why Community Trumps Competition48:21 – Peer Groups and Getting Ahead—Why You Shouldn’t Go It Alone

Ep 85 - Jay Huh | Why So Many Shop Owners Are Broke

Tektonic 2027 is coming up April 1-3, and if you missed year 1, you MUST NOT miss year 2. It's bigger, it's better, because is Tekmetric's conference. You know it's gonna be the best conference in the history of conferences. Get lower pricing now HEREMy marketing before and after signing up with Turnkey Marketing is pretty scary. In a good way. Get your marketing right today HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you! Make your techs happier with Detect Auto. They'll stop getting "check noise" or "check vibration" from advisors with the customer concern tool. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Book a demo HEREElite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREJay Huh is the owner Carmedix in Durham, NC. Today, he tells Mike how he figured out how to run a shop the hard way. After years of struggling, he has built an efficient, highly profitable shop that gives him total freedom. They also talk about ShopFix and what the coaching company is doing after the loss of Aaron Stokes. Timestamps:00:00 – Jay's confession on not making enough money02:17 – Why sharing mistakes online changed everything04:40 – Living on $1,000 net per shop and barely making it06:07 – Consolidating down, shop tours, and landing in the “anchor” spot08:19 – Do we really need so many shop owner groups? Breaking down the division09:35 – Shop culture, coaching, and why too many owners are still broke10:45 – Shop Fix vs. other coaching: It’s about heart, not just numbers13:07 – Haters, jealousy, and why everyone thinks their way is best14:43 – Growing the right way—efficiency before expansion and protecting family time15:16 – Let’s talk cruises! Why Speaker A rides MSC and the yacht club life16:46 – Degenerate gambling confessions: Blackjack, craps, and cruise ship casinos18:01 – Owning a beach house: Boats, depreciation, and gathering your crew20:00 – The exit plan: Cashing out vs. the freedom of autopilot shops21:10 – The guardrails: How Speaker A uses daily numbers, not vibes23:00 – Forget top-line revenue, focus on real margin25:17 – Shop meetings, keeping techs and advisors rowing together26:01 – Why the multi-store “dog” life isn’t for everyone26:30 – The danger of scaling without the cash to back it up27:59 – Shop size vs. profit: Luke Walker’s $1M store reality check29:05 – The secret: Hire high skill, pay well, and net more31:12 – Money loves speed: Adapting shop processes for today’s customers32:13 – Show & sell: Finding the urgent fix, but always telling the whole story35:20 – Ethics, shortcuts, and hiring for integrity36:05 – Losing Aaron: Leadership, legacy, and moving Shop Fix forward39:14 – What’s next? Shop Fix’s plan and why the mission’s stronger than ever

Episode 262 - When Generations Collide - Growing an Auto Shop with Family Values With Matt Clarke

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Lucas and David are joined by Matt Clarke of Clark Automotive. Matt shares his journey back to his family's auto repair business, emphasizing the importance of refining operations and focusing on delivering high-quality service rather than chasing high car counts. The group discusses the evolving role of business coaching and training, including the value of accountability partners and the need to adapt to new technology in the industry.00:00 Trade Show Costs Are Ridiculous03:47 Union Inefficiency and Consequences09:13 "Prioritizing Quality Over Quantity"11:58 "Evolving Business Learning Challenges"14:35 "Epiphany in Management Training"18:14 "Refining Craft, Scaling Doubts"22:03 Choosing the Right Coach24:48 "Struggling with Accountability"28:06 "Unexpected Family Connections"33:15 "AI-Generated Estimate Dispute"37:26 "Balancing AI and Personal Touch"39:32 "Fitness, Gear, AI, and Darkness"44:37 "Unfiltered Critique of a Guru"45:20 "Mastery vs. Fake Expertise"48:44 "Adapting Teaching to Audience"54:39 "EV Market Resistance Analyzed"56:42 "Building Growth and Connections"58:38 "Vespa Culture: New York Only"

You Don’t Have a Sales Problem… You Have a Culture Problem

Everybody keeps talking about how this industry is broken. How it sucks. How you can’t make money. How technicians are leaving and shops are struggling. Here’s the truth. Yeah, there are problems. But that’s not the whole story. Because there are...

How to Build Your Personal Brand | Lola Schmidt and Kim Walker - Episode 5

In this episode, Tonnika Haynes is joined by Lola Schmidt and Kim Walker for a candid conversation about navigating business ownership, brand authenticity, and the importance of community engagement. Kim shares her journey from education to entrepreneurship, underscoring the value of finding your footing and staying true to your strengths. Lola offers practical branding advice, encouraging listeners to keep things simple and consistent while remaining authentic. Both guests agree that for struggling shops, the most effective—and often free—marketing begins with networking and showing up in your local community.Timestamps: 00:00 "Kim's Spider Story"03:44 "Gym Encounter Shocks and Spreads"07:06 "Ready for Montana Cold"13:28 Women's Role in Business Support14:44 "Know Yourself, Your Partner, Boundaries"18:15 "Timing and Communication Challenges"24:03 "Queen of Genuine Kindness"26:44 "Discovering Identity and Natural Gifts"30:50 "Learning Boundaries and Saying No"32:06 "Expo Overwhelm and Recognition"35:05 "Fostering Connection Among Women"39:41 "Downshift to Gain Power"43:57 "Lessons on Million-Dollar Success"44:43 "Tracking Numbers Painfully Essential"49:10 "Brian Always Figures It Out"54:58 "Marketing Tips for Struggling Shops"57:32 "Challenging Assumptions About Representation"59:28 "Kids, Pajamas, and Montana Plans"

Lower Car Count = More Money?? | Rick White - Episode 4

In this episode, Tonnika has on Rick White, president of 180 Biz. Rick explains why the best shop owners know when to slow down and reassess, not just push harder, and shares lessons on business leadership and the importance of being coachable. Tonnika opens up about her own journey letting go of micromanagement and learning to value her team.Timestamps:00:00 – Why discounts hurt more than you think (the “Disney World” account)02:04 – The real story behind “downshifting” and slowing down to speed up03:19 – Shop owner myths: Free time and business ownership realities06:20 – Social media vs. reality: What new shop owners miss08:01 – Coaching, DiSC personalities, and being (un)coachable10:07 – Rick’s intake process: When do you “fire” a coaching client?12:25 – Absentee ownership myth & staying connected to the shop17:06 – Growing leaders and letting go—real talk for micromanagers19:18 – “Embrace the suck”: Why bad weeks make you better22:00 – The Disney World savings hack: Stop robbing your kids!23:52 – The high cost of devaluing yourself26:55 – Making the numbers work: From $100 ARO to $850+29:12 – Responding to “You’re too expensive”—the mindset shift36:09 – Profit, not just sales: The truth about hitting $1 million42:00 – Working with family: Guardrails with kids in the shop47:09 – Learning to ask for (and receive) help49:13 – Rick’s Just One Thing: Value yourself, be a lifelong learner, and make an impact

Ep 80 - Ash Kaplan | I Learn About Golden Hour Garage

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HERETurnkey Marketing takes the stress of doing something I'm not good at off my plate. And gives it to someone who is. Click HERE for more.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREWhen I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Ash Kaplan is first and formost a friend of the show. Secondly, she's the founder of Golden Hour Garage. Today, Mike learns all about Ash and the new adventure of buisness owernship she's on. Ash Kaplan shares her vision for Golden Hour Garage, focusing on optimizing efficiency for shops through remote estimate building, warranty processing, and innovative advisor training. The conversation also highlights the importance of building meaningful customer relationships, as well as the value of attending industry events like the ASTA Expo for personal and professional growth.Learn more about Golden Hour Garage HERE Timestamps:00:00 "Ignite 2026 Wrap-Up Reflection"05:28 "Golden Hour Garage Vision"09:25 Intentional Onboarding and Quality Control12:14 "Warranty Costs vs Estimate Service"14:21 "Streamlined Warranty Estimate Solutions"17:58 "Empowering Shops Through Connections"21:23 "Optimizing Processes for Transparency"25:46 "Adapting for Growth in Business"27:27 Struggling to Sustain Employee Growth30:18 Do You Use a Bidet?35:51 "Free Beer Disappointment"38:18 Customized Pricing Approach Explained41:48 "Life-Changing ASTA Experience"42:42 "Red String Connections"48:06 Maximize Networking at Trade Shows49:28 "Breaking Isolation in the Industry"54:24 "AI Phone Systems Discussion"

They’re Married AND Mobile Mechanics?! with Ben and Jenna Dellaria

Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsorsNeed to update your shop systems and software? Try Tekmetric HERESave 15% on your next Launch Tech USA tool with code Launch15. Use that code at checkout HEREIn this episode, Jeff sits down with Ben and Jenna of 3Ts Automotive to talk about mobile automotive repair, business growth, marriage, and building a business online. Ben and Jenna share the realities of running a high volume mobile business, from working in extreme heat to managing customer expectations and diagnosing vehicles on camera. They discuss their plans for a future brick and mortar shop, the challenges of growing a YouTube channel, and why staying authentic matters more than chasing views.The conversation also covers pricing, profitability, parts sourcing, scheduling, maintenance, industry misinformation, online trolls, and the importance of supporting technicians who want to do quality work. They also share lessons on working together as a couple, avoiding burnout, staying focused on your own journey, and keeping the business fundamentals ahead of social media.Timestamps:00:00 Ignore Online Hype00:36 Meet 3Ts Automotive01:02 Heat and Going Brick and Mortar04:23 Working With Your Spouse09:57 Filming Real Diagnostics11:32 Authenticity Over Views14:35 Trolls and Teaching Values19:12 Pricing Labor and Profit23:34 Wild Customer Calls32:16 No Means No Requests33:34 Turbo Noise Request34:14 Why Enthusiast Cars Hurt35:46 The Never Ending Project39:40 Parts Sourcing Reality40:23 Friends and Family Pricing Trap43:56 Home Shop Time Management46:53 Hemi Truck No Start Mystery50:16 Flexible Repair Philosophy54:24 Maintenance First Hard Truths59:42 Social Media Pricing Damage01:08:03 Battery Light Surprise01:08:52 Alternator Fix Then Stalls01:10:42 Cat Converter Root Cause01:11:23 Parts Quality Domino Effect01:14:10 Parking Lot Mechanics Debate01:17:34 Regulation and Certification01:22:24 Building the Skool Community01:28:21 Rage Bait and Misinformation01:34:43 Staying Positive Online01:40:00 Profitability and Public Perception01:42:49 Who to Argue With01:45:14 Quiet Supporters Matter01:46:51 Handling Trolls Online01:48:12 Who Deserves a Platform01:49:57 Internet Outsiders Weigh In01:53:36 Stay the Course01:54:51 Working With Your Spouse01:59:35 Mobile Life and Burnout02:02:14 ADHD, Anxiety and Focus02:06:08 Stop Comparing Journeys02:08:03 Closing Advice and Growth02:10:22 Content Second, Business First02:13:18 Revenue Goals and Training02:16:04 Thanks, Sponsors and Community02:18:23 Final Sign Off and CTA Follow/Subscribe to the show on social media! TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffcompton7YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheJadedMechanicFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091347564232

The CFO In the Trenches with the Wrenches: How Accounting Powers a Million-Dollar Shop

In this episode, Joe Adams sits down with Auto Hospitality Group CFO Matt Keys to explore how accounting, systems, and AI transform fast-growing auto shops into scalable, investor-ready businesses. They discuss Matt's journey from audit to CFO, the challenges of parts and vendor reconciliation, and the importance of training and change management. Listeners will learn practical insights on preventing fraud, improving month-end close speed, and building a back office that supports revenue generators — including the vision of a real-time "zero-day" P&L and how technology can augment accounting teams without replacing them.   Sign up for our upcoming Back Office Blueprint class here: https://autoshopanswers.com Auto-Shop-Media.com

Episode 283 - Revamping Trade Shows While Building Industry Community with Tonnika Haynes

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Lucas and David are joined by Tonnika Haynes. Tonnika shares her experiences navigating trade shows like Vision and ASTA, highlighting the challenges of scaling events while maintaining their community feel. The conversation touches on the struggle to balance profitable training with meaningful content for shop owners. They also discuss the importance of grassroots networking and accountability within industry associations, emphasizing the need to evolve while remembering what made previous events special.00:00 Trade show insights and takeaways04:45 Struggling to secure instructors09:25 Improving trade show quality11:08 Evaluating training investment costs15:18 Investing in employee training18:21 Challenges in Automotive Training22:41 Getting great deals at the show23:30 Boosting vendor sales at trade shows27:40 Considering a move to a convention center30:58 Regional networking events in Asheville35:07 Adjusting content for wider appeal37:22 Demand for hands-on Tesla class41:53 Early board experiences discussed42:36 Addressing organizational dysfunction46:57 Launching the new podcast52:03 Discussing video production deadlines53:03 Braxton starting a media company56:04 Introducing the next topic

My Shop Was $1M In Debt: How I Got Out Of It | EP9 | Shop Fix Academy Podcast

$1 million in debt, a full parking lot, and no idea where the money was going.In this episode, Ryan Hillenbrand sits down with Guy Roberts and Michael Rosenberger to break down how he clawed out of 7-figures of debt without shutting the doors.Ryan shares the hard lessons that forced him to stop running on gut instinct and start facing his numbers every single day. They get into why cash in the bank doesn't mean you're profitable, how growth can make a shop in debt even more dangerous, and why copying every other shop in town keeps you stuck and broke.Learn the secrets of productivity, labor, parts, inspections, payroll, and the daily habits that move a shop from drowning in debt to producing real profit.Get the structure, coaching, and accountability to take control of your numbers with Shop Fix LITE https://shopfixacademy.com/shop-fix-lite?utm_source=sfapodcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=join-lite&utm_content=cta-textlinkExplore free guides, training replays, and practical resources to help you build a more profitable shop. https://shopfixacademy.com/replays-and-guides?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=sfa-podcast&utm_content=ctaExplore Shop Fix Academy Events led by operators who have overcome the same financial, leadership, and operational challenges you're facing now. https://shopfixacademy.com/upcoming-events?utm_source=sfa-podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=sfa-events-2026&utm_content=cta-textlink

Mastering Shop Flow with Online Scheduling and AI Communication [THA 497]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode What if the key to a better customer experience wasn't working harder, but creating better shop flow? Murray Voth of RPM Training and shop owner Doug Brackett join Carm Capriotto to discuss how online scheduling, AI-powered communication, and intentional processes can reduce front-counter chaos while improving efficiency and customer satisfaction. What You'll Learn Why online scheduling should function as a reservation request, not an automatic appointment.How setting the "next expectation" builds customer trust and reduces anxiety.Why qualifying customers helps create a better experience for everyone.How AI and digital communication reduce interruptions and free advisors to build stronger relationships.The operational strategies behind a calm, highly productive service counter.Real-world performance metrics that demonstrate the power of better shop flow. The best shops don't eliminate the human touch, they eliminate unnecessary chaos. By combining clear communication, intentional scheduling, and smart technology, shop owners can create a more predictable workflow, a better customer experience, and a less stressful environment for both employees and clients. *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> Murray Voth, RPM Training. Listen to Murray’s previous episodes HERE. murrayvoth@rpmtraining.net Doug Brackett, Pro-Vitals Consulting, Downtown Automotive, Nelson, BC. Thanks to our Partner, NAPA TRACS NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Today's Class Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ Thanks to our Partner, KUKUI Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. Get industry-leading customer support with KUKUI at https://www.kukui.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download and Listen on Our Mobile App: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carmSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collections The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto: Facilitating Wisdom Through Storytelling and Open Discussion.https://remarkableresults.biz/Automotive Field Theory: From Diagnostics to Quantum Physics and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life. https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the...

Ep 169: How They Doubled Revenue With Fewer People with Brian Moak

Ep 109 - Becca & Tony Zanders | The Truth About Selling Your Auto Repair Shop

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HERETurnkey Marketing takes the stress of doing something I'm not good at off my plate. And gives it to someone who is. Click HERE for more.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREWhen I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!In this episode, Mike Allen sits down with Tony and Becca Zanders to discuss the realities of selling an auto repair shop and what it takes to leave behind more than just a paycheck. They share the story of building Heritage Auto Repair from the ground up before selling it to a longtime employee, explaining why preserving their legacy mattered more than chasing the highest offer. The conversation explores private equity, succession planning, burnout, and the emotional challenges many owners face after selling their business. Tony and Becca also offer practical advice for increasing your shop's value, building systems that outlast you, and creating an exit strategy that aligns with your long-term goals.Timestamps:00:00 Legacy vs. Payday: The Truth About Selling Your Shop 01:00 Meet Tony & Becca Zanders: Building Heritage Auto Repair Together 04:41 From Backyard Garage to One of Idaho's Top Repair Shops 07:00 Selling to an Employee Instead of the Highest Bidder 08:20 Private Equity, High Multiples & Internal Buyouts 10:42 Questions Every Shop Owner Should Ask Before Selling 12:14 Don't Wait Until Burnout: The Three Keys to a Healthy Exit 16:07 Defining Your "Why" Before You Sell 17:44 Choosing the Right Successor and Passing the Baton 21:14 The Emotional Reality of Staying On After the Sale 23:24 Losing Your Identity After Selling Your Business 24:18 Empowering Employees to Increase Shop Value 27:13 The D6 Elements: Building a Sale-Ready Business 35:16 How to Start Planning Your Exit—Even If You're Late 37:03 The Biggest Mistakes That Destroy Shop Value 39:40 Why Strong Processes Matter—Even After the Sale 44:02 Vegas Food Recommendations & Planning for AAPEX

Deferred Work: The Most Overlooked Growth Opportunity in Auto Repair [RR 1101]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode Most auto repair shops are sitting on a goldmine of untapped revenue without realizing it. In this episode, Carm Capriotto welcomes Jimmy Alauria of 3A Automotive & Diesel Repair to discuss how deferred work can become one of your shop's most effective growth strategies. By pulling just two years of data from his shop's database, he discovered $3.3 million in potential revenue from deferred services. From better customer communication to smarter follow-up systems, Jimmy explains how to turn yesterday's declined repairs into tomorrow's repair orders. What You'll Learn Why your customer database is one of your shop's most valuable assets.How deferred work can create significant new revenue without increasing car count.Why shops should schedule the next appointment before the customer leaves.While DVIs provide excellent transparency, their primary goal should be to educate the customer and help them plan, rather than to force an immediate $5,000 repair order. Jimmy notes that customers decline work not necessarily because they lack trust, but because they need time to budgeHow categorizing repairs by safety, reliability, maintenance, and appearance improves customer understanding.Understanding the customer's personal "car goals," whether they love the car and want to avoid a new car payment, or they hate the car and want to trade it in, is also critical to framing recommendations effectively.The shortcomings of traditional CRM follow-up systems and how AI can improve communication.How AI helps prioritize repairs and translates technical repair language into customer-friendly messaging that drives response. Deferred work isn't lost business; it's future opportunity. By building better follow-up processes, educating customers, and using technology to communicate more effectively, shops can strengthen relationships, improve customer retention, and unlock substantial revenue already waiting in their database. Jimmy Alauria, 3A Automotive and Diesel Repair, Phoenix, AZ. Jimmy’s previous episodes HERE Learn more about NAPA Auto Care and the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://remarkableresultsradiopodcast.captivate.fm/napaautocare   NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download and Listen on Our Mobile App:https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collectionsBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto:Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion.https://remarkableresults.biz/Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z:From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life.https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the Numbers: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest.https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcast: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level.https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/The Weekly Blitz: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching.https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/Speak Up! Effective Communication: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills with Craig O'Neill.https://craigoneill.captivate.fm &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

Ep 106 - Mike Allen, Bryan Pollock, & Braxton Critcher | The Repair Industry is Like a Bucket of Crabs

Tektonic 2027 is coming up April 1-3, and if you missed year 1, you MUST NOT miss year 2. It's bigger, it's better, because is Tekmetric's conference. You know it's gonna be the best conference in the history of conferences. Get lower pricing now HEREMy marketing before and after signing up with Turnkey Marketing is pretty scary. In a good way. Get your marketing right today HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you! Make your techs happier with Detect Auto. They'll stop getting "check noise" or "check vibration" from advisors with the customer concern tool. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Book a demo HEREElite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREThis one was a long time coming. Today, Mike, Bryan and Braxton dig into some of the wildest and most misguided comments from the Confessions of a Shop Owner Facebook page recently. They tackle the notorious “$358k technician” story, breaking down why so many techs can’t do the math—or just don’t want to believe the numbers. You'll have a lot of fun hearing what some people in the industry have to say about some of the hot button issues...or really their lack of understanding. Timstamps:00:00 Techs in the comment section: “Nobody makes that much!” The $350K technician saga02:31 Are you watching the podcast, or just the reels? Context, context, context!05:07 Reggie’s story: Would you leave for a $1/hr raise? Why context gets lost online07:12 Diagnostic skills, cognitive leaps, and why some techs will never make big money10:09 Fairfax, VA: High rent, high output, high pay – breaking down the math11:19 “Crabs in a bucket” and raging over others’ success13:11 Who are the real 1%ers in the shop world? Defining success in auto repair15:03 The service advisor breakdown: Where does all the time go?16:09 Rage-baiting with advisor accountability, tracking every minute in the shop18:29 Punch cards, bathroom codes, and memories of dealership micromanagement20:01 How hard is it, really, to do a 10-minute write-up?21:23 Mediocre service advisor confessions (& Braxton’s epic shade)22:25 Do your employees secretly listen to your podcast?23:45 The all-star “A Tech” myth: Can anyone really “do everything”?25:11 Ego, memory, and those wild open forum stories26:26 Are you really a unicorn tech, or did you just burn a car down?28:00 Training vs. tech evolution: Has the industry outpaced technician effort?29:21 After hours learning: What the top techs are really doing30:26 Commenters vs. reality: Reading comprehension fails (and laughs)33:02 “Never lost to a car” – the world’s biggest shop lie35:01 Toolbox wars and the rolling rig debate: Weight, wheels & wild finance42:02 Remote diagnostics, shop culture, and the power of process49:00 Why context is everything: Dealerships, warranty companies & internet assumptions52:28 If you’re mad at a reel, maybe just listen to the episode (and visit our sponsors)

Ep 104 - Jordan Mosely | The Truth About Scaling an Auto Repair Business

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HEREIf you're like me and aren't good at marketing, don't do it on your own. Let the experts handle it. Touch HERE for more on Turnkey Marketing.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HERE When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!In this episode, Mike Allen sits down with Jordan Mosely to talk about growth, technology, and the realities of running a multi-location business. Jordan shares how sticking to a proven playbook has helped him scale his quick lube and hybrid locations, and explains why obsessing over small cost details—like labor and materials—makes a huge impact on the bottom line. The conversation also dives into the pain (and promise) of current AI and software integrations, when Mike and Jordan both agree that the right technology is important, but execution, adaptation, and focusing on the basics are what truly drive success.Timestamps:00:00 Covered wagons and old-school shop software02:14 What really goes down at shop events and happy hours03:15 Playbooks and the secret to sticking with a process04:14 The quick lube model vs. full-service auto repair05:48 Learning from industry “gurus” and finding what works06:38 Car wash business models and subscription secrets08:09 Breaking down car wash economics and margins09:26 Pennies make the profit: expense structure and labor10:22 Why every phone call counts—and how much fumbled calls really cost12:04 AI cameras, call reviews, and upgrading shop tech12:41 Why onboarding new AI tools is painful (but worth it)14:00 Using Rilla, custom AI, and making tech work for your team16:28 Are unified shop platforms possible—or is it always 19 subscriptions?18:42 The challenges of double-entry and why Tekmetric stands out20:54 Tectonic event review: what a professional trade show looks like22:24 Fixing cars vs. trying to code your own AI: why you should pick a lane24:00 Confessions about chaos, change—and the need for therapy26:14 Dealing with online haters in the auto industry27:16 Remote and virtual advisors: the future, or a flop?30:07 The “sales hammer” model and selling from afar31:49 What happens when you try to run a fully remote shop32:35 Why execution is everything for new shop models34:42 20 groups, private equity, and the independent shop owner line36:44 Why big shop owners show up at trade shows38:14 Confession time: Subaru oil change disasters and red flags39:25 High turnover in quick lube—onboarding and training struggles40:05 Why you need to launch that training, even if it’s not perfect41:57 What’s next: acquiring more stores, riding the oil price wave, and 1% daily improvement

Ep 103 - Coaching Call #18 | The BIGGEST Mistake Shop Owners Make

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREIn this episode, Mike and Matt talk about how to find and commit to a core operational identity—rather than constantly chasing new ideas or industry trends. True success comes from consistent execution of a strategy you believe in. You will NEVER underestimate the value of training, coaching, and leveraging proven systems like EOS or similar frameworks to help owners and employees gain clarity, stay accountable, and ultimately grow a sustainable, profitable business.Timestamps:00:00 Shop Owner Myths: $200 an Hour and the Truth about Starting Out02:19 Celebrating Good Months04:11 Best Month Yet—Sales Up, Staff Changes & a New Advisor06:40 Fixing What Was Broken: Process, Accountability & a Data-Driven Turnaround07:54 ARO Jumps by 20%—Here’s How They Did It08:27 DVI Process Overhaul: Getting Real Numbers and Customer Buy-In10:12 Tech Average Quotes—Setting and Hitting Profitable Targets11:08 Maintenance Sales Struggles & Industry-Wide Challenges12:23 Next Steps: Boosting Closing Ratios and Ongoing Advisor Training13:09 Sales Presentation, Confidence & Learning to Overcome Objections14:34 Regional Training Events: Why Travel Matters & Team Building15:07 Bridging the Owner-Employee Gap: Training Techs & Advisors for Buy-In17:20 Why Private Equity Buys Shops—Math, Mindset & Community Impact20:19 Winning as an Independent: Local Presence, Team Culture, and Staff Retention21:48 Training Takeaways: Eye-Opening Insights for Non-Owners23:14 P&L and Labor Rate Workshops—Should Your Team Bring Their Books?24:32 Shop Pay Plans & Real Labor Cost Realities26:22 $350,000 Techs: The Truth Behind the Numbers & What’s Possible in Your Market28:19 Pay, Value, and Raising Rates: What Customers Need to See30:30 McDonald’s Drive-Thru vs. Customer Perception: Value & Expectations31:33 Bringing Training In-House: Hosting Courses for Your Shop and Community34:30 EOS, Traction, Rocket Fuel: Finding a System that Clicks36:10 Visionary vs. Integrator: Why Every Shop Owner Should Read These Books38:45 Team Structure, Core Genius, and the Power of Discipline41:08 Identity Crisis? Finding (and Loving) Your Shop’s Unique Advantage43:53 Don’t Change the Recipe—Simplicity and Full Commitment Win46:43 Basketball Offense & Building the Right Team for YOUR System48:46 Discipline, Focus & How Elite Shop Owners Set Themselves Apart51:21 Quality Management Systems: Lessons from Manufacturing52:15 Finding the Right Coach & System—Any Structure Beats None53:46 Elon Musk Clarity: Vision, Discipline, and Blocking Out the Noise

Ep 102 - Chris Gayne | If There's a Problem in Your Shop, It's Probably You

Tektonic 2027 is coming up April 1-3, and if you missed year 1, you MUST NOT miss year 2. It's bigger, it's better, because is Tekmetric's conference. You know it's gonna be the best conference in the history of conferences. Get lower pricing now HEREMy marketing before and after signing up with Turnkey Marketing is pretty scary. In a good way. Get your marketing right today HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you! Make your techs happier with Detect Auto. They'll stop getting "check noise" or "check vibration" from advisors with the customer concern tool. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Book a demo HEREElite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREIn this episode, Chris Gayne shares stories from his transition out of a military career and into shop ownership, including the accidental founding of Dale County Diesel. The conversation dives deep into the difference between running a transactional versus a relational business, emphasizing the value of building real connections with customers and staff. Timestamps:00:00 – Transactional vs Relational: What Kind of Shop Are You Running?02:31 – From Military Flight Instructor to Shop Owner: Chris’s Journey06:43 – Surviving a Helicopter Crash (& What It Teaches You about Mistakes)14:02 – Leadership in the Shop: Lessons from Army to Auto Bay19:26 – Why Good Techs Deserve the Right Work—and Right Culture25:09 – How to Handle the “Unfixable”—Being Honest With Your Customers32:04 – Flat Rate vs Teamwork: What Actually Works?37:01 – Confession Time: If There’s a Problem in My Shop, It’s Me44:44 – Hard Policies, Real People: Why Relational Beats Rigidity49:55 – When to Tell Customers: “It’s Time to Move On from This Truck”51:06 – Wrap Up: Honesty, Growth, and Call for Your Confessions

The Collision Industry's Race to Zero

In this episode of Repair Shop Reckoning, Kevin takes on one of the most controversial topics in the collision repair industry: Who decides what a repair is worth?  Too many shop owners have accepted the idea that an insurance estimate is the final...

Episode 273 - Learning from Mistakes and Building Stronger Businesses With Tara Topel

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Lucas and David are joined by Tara Topel to dig into the challenges facing shop owners and the broader automotive industry. They examine the importance of building businesses that can run independently of their owners, emphasizing the need for processes, standards, and effective delegation. The conversation also highlights a lack of engagement with valuable industry resources, such as the Auto Care Association, underscoring the need for greater awareness and participation among shop owners. Finally, they discuss the shifting landscape of automotive technology—from EVs to ADAS calibrations—and the risks and responsibilities that come with staying current.00:00 Handling online criticism07:36 Balancing business and family time11:22 Trading our souls for convenience18:10 Preparing for business contingencies26:12 Joining a National Auto Association30:40 Helping People Who Want Change32:37 Importance of labor in auto shops40:45 ADAS calibration cost concerns46:05 ADAS system calibration advice48:59 Pilot and maintenance disagreement56:20 Traffic control and roundabouts59:47 Distracted driving habits

Ep 98 - Jeff Compton & Tonnika Haynes | Are Viral Reels Ruining the Auto Repair Industry?

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HERETurnkey Marketing takes the stress of doing something I'm not good at off my plate. And gives it to someone who is. Click HERE for more.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREWhen I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!In this episode, the podcasts collide for a behind the scenes conversation about what goes on on social media. Are the viral reels a good thing or a bad thing? Tonnika Haynes from Downshift with Tonnika, Jeff Compton from the Jaded Mechanic and Bryan Pollock from Confessions of a Shop Owner circle up to have this conversation with Braxton Critcher, the producer of each show. They also get real about the importance of doing the actual work behind the scenes, emphasizing that growth in your business (and in life) comes from putting in consistent effort, not just watching highlight reels.Timestamps: 00:00 - The uncomfortable truth about podcast discovery and audience habits01:16 - What happens when podcasts collide—introductions and chaos02:23 - Behind the scenes: Group chat antics, tools, and industry jokes03:57 - Social media, reels, and who’s to blame for viral content05:01 - The power (and pain) of online comments and negative feedback06:46 - Why social media works for some shops but isn’t for everyone07:14 - Going viral: 2.4 million views, angry commenters, and riding the algorithm09:03 - Building a brand: Negativity, growth strategies, and five-year plans12:33 - Are most people really “spoon fed”? Podcast challenges explained14:26 - Shop rates, community service, and fixing Chevy trucks for peanuts17:04 - The “must be nice” attitude and its effect on success and envy19:01 - Growing beyond your bubble: Why spicy reels are necessary22:27 - Can podcasts actually change the industry? Or just a few minds?35:01 - Choosing your hard: Highlight reels, business reality, and keeping perspective44:21 - Real talk: Same struggles, different zip codes, focus on YOUR growth49:34 - Excuses vs. results—moving, changing, and finding a way to win54:37 - Visualization, success stories, and putting in the extra work59:38 - “Choosing average”: 9-to-5 mentality and salary realities1:01:09 - Relationships, distractions, and shop staff drama1:03:21 - The only goal: One shop at a time, one listener at a time.

Episode 272 - Mentoring the Next Generation of Techs with Luke Murray and Charles Burke of Worldpac

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Lucas Underwood and David Roman are joined by Charles Burke and Luke Murray from the Worldpac Training Institute. The conversation focuses on the importance of mentorship and structured apprenticeship programs in the automotive industry, the challenges of reaching and engaging more shop owners with effective training and business resources, and the personal impact of mentorship—both in the industry and in personal life.00:00 Transitioning from technical to business training05:42 Grounded from flying career09:44 Choosing movies before streaming12:41 Becoming a BMW instructor14:04 Focus on mentor training18:43 Mentorship and training apprentices19:46 Creating a custom apprenticeship program23:10 The importance of effective mentorship28:29 Building ASTA through community sharing31:50 Explaining profit margins simplistically33:25 Helping others with industry insights38:01 Funny story about Chris Chesney39:21 Spreading the word about free training42:11 Passion-driven learning benefits

Prepare to Deliver: What Smart Owners Do During Slow Times

In this episode of Repair Shop Reckoning, Kevin tackles a reality every shop owner will face sooner or later: What do you do when the phones slow down, the bays aren't as full, and the panic starts creeping in? Too many owners react by cutting...

Ep 95 - Benjie Burris & Callie Johnson | Boobs, Business & Building Culture That Lasts

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HEREIf you're like me and aren't good at marketing, don't do it on your own. Let the experts handle it. Touch HERE for more on Turnkey Marketing.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HERE When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!In this crossover episode, Mike Allen teams up with Tonnika Haynes from Downshift with Tonnika to give you a preview of the upcoming ASTA Expo in Raleigh, NC this September. ASTA Board Member and shop owner Benjie Burris joins alongside his daughter, Callie Johnson, ASTA’s new Membership & Events Manager, to talk about what makes the Expo special and how building a strong shop culture can create lasting success both inside and outside the business.The conversation dives into the power of showing up for your local community, building authentic relationships, and why giving back has played a major role in long-term growth. They also share first-hand ASTA Expo experiences, what makes the event different, and why the connections made there can impact both your business and your life.Oh, and you'll also hear the story of how Benjie met his wife. Let’s just say it’s one of those stories you definitely won’t see coming.Learn more about the ASTA Expo and how you can be there HERE Timestamps:00:00 The funniest icebreaker ever (yes, fake boobs are involved)00:53 Live from Fueling Connections 2026 – ASTA at UTI Mooresville02:22 Audio chaos: Why your own tools matter (and how NOT to record a podcast)04:10 The rise of Downshift and the weirdness of being told “I listen to your podcast!”05:03 Social media hacks: Engagement, trolls, and managing the comment chaos09:19 A blueprint for a family-run business culture that actually works10:29 Turning community support into real shop growth (and why service matters)13:42 Small steps, big progress: Building a shop “patch by patch”14:42 The real reason community work succeeds (hint: It can’t be faked)18:25 Real talk on supporting schools, teachers, and being boots-on-the-ground22:22 Dealing with “big city” demands and setting shop boundaries23:46 ASTA’s new Membership & Events Manager shares social media tips26:53 The ASTA Expo: Networking, parties, and the least clicky vibe in the industry28:29 Conversations that change careers—and lives30:46 Competitors or community? Why ASTA shops help each other32:07 Going from local to international—how ASTA keeps its family feel36:04 Must-attend classes, what’s next for ASTA, and seriously, don’t miss the hospitality suite39:29 Why Downshift is different: Focusing on legacy, mindset, and leveling up

The AI-Driven Auto Repair Leader: Using Technology as Your Strategic Thought Partner [RR 1092]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode In this forward-looking conversation, Carm Capriotto and Chris Cloutier, CEO of AutoFlow and owner of three Golden Rule Auto Care locations, explore how artificial intelligence is rapidly transforming the automotive repair industry; not as a replacement for people, but as a powerful tool that helps shop owners lead smarter, communicate better, and operate more professionally. Chris shares firsthand experiences using AI inside both his software company and his repair shops, revealing how the technology can dramatically reduce time spent on leadership and administrative tasks while improving workflow efficiency and customer communication. From refining technician notes to helping build business plans and expansion strategies, AI is becoming what Chris describes as a 'thought partner' for today’s shop owner. What You’ll Learn: Why AI should be viewed as a strategic business partner, not a threat to the automotive repair professionHow effective prompting and providing context can dramatically improve AI-generated resultsWays AI can streamline major business tasks such as SBA loan preparation, SWOT analyses, and growth planningHow AI-powered technician note rewrites improve customer communication and strengthen professionalismWhy clear, polished communication acts as a “curtain of professionalism” that builds customer trustHow AI can help bridge language barriers by translating repair orders and inspection resultsThe risks and humor of “AI versus AI” hiring practices, where both employers and applicants rely heavily on artificial intelligenceWhy Chris believes today is the least expensive AI will ever be, and why shop owners should begin learning it now The biggest takeaway from this episode is simple: AI will not replace highly skilled automotive professionals, but it will absolutely enhance the shops that learn how to use it effectively. From improving efficiency and communication to elevating the image of professionalism, AI offers tremendous advantages for modern repair businesses. However, Carm and Chris emphasize one critical principle throughout the conversation: trust, but verify. Just like quality control in the service bays, AI-generated information should always be reviewed carefully before being shared with customers or used to make important business decisions. Chris Cloutier, Golden Rule Auto Care, and CEO of Autoflow. Listen to Chris' other episodes HERE Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Learn more about NAPA Auto Care and the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Visit the Website: https://remarkableresults.biz/ Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriotto Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/ Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/ Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/ Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club: https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmasters Join Our Private Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976 Join our Insider List: https://remarkableresults.biz/insider All books mentioned on our podcasts: https://remarkableresults.biz/books Our Classroom page for personal or team learning: https://remarkableresults.biz/classroom Special episode collections: https://remarkableresults.biz/collections Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm &nbsp; The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcast with Carm Capriotto: Advancing the Aftermarket by Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion. https://remarkableresults.biz/ Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z with Matt Fanslow: From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life. https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/ Business by the Numbers with Hunt Demarest: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest. https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/ The Auto Repair Marketing Podcast with Kim and Brian Walker: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level. https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/ The Weekly Blitz with Chris Cotton: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching. https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/ Speak Up! Effective Communication with Craig O'Neill: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills when Speaking to Audiences of Any Size.<a...

Bill Lewandowski: Speed of the Leader is the Speed of the Pack - Bonus Zoom Episode 5

Glenn Piccolo interviews "Bay One" Bill Lewandowski about his five-year journey from sweeping floors to becoming a top managing partner at True Automotive. They discuss lessons from Courtside and Key2Key, the power of process, and the math behind growing revenue. Bill shares practical takeaways on recruiting, running effective inspections, increasing ticket averages through maintenance sales, accountability partners, and how consistent practice and leadership drive steady growth.

EP27: His Life Wouldn't Change Until His Name Was On The Building. With Andrew Dominguez Of Asher Auto Group

Welcome To ShopSoup Podcast. On Episode 27, I sit down with Andrew Dominguez of Asher Auto Group that includes Asher Automotive and DTX Automotive. Two dynamic shops that are a result of Andrews determination to provide growth and opportunities for his team members.SUMMARYIn this inspiring interview, Andrew Dominguez shares his journey from a young dealership employee to successful auto shop owner. He discusses overcoming challenges, building trust with customers, leadership, and strategic growth in the auto industry.KEYWORDSauto industry, entrepreneurship, leadership, business growth, customer trust, auto repair, dealership, small business, success storyKEY TOPICSAndrew's early start in auto industryBuilding customer trust and loyaltyLeadership and team developmentScaling multiple auto repair locationsSOUND BITES"People buy from those they trust""Uniform service is a leadership issue""Success is about giving value to others"CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to Andrew Dominguez's Journey02:47 Early Career and Lessons Learned05:25 Transitioning to a Bigger Dealership08:34 Climbing the Ranks and Facing Challenges11:30 Desire for Independence and Entrepreneurship14:05 Building Relationships and Customer Trust17:00 The Decision to Start His Own Business19:48 Navigating Challenges and Building a Brand22:41 Personal Life and Support System28:04 The Impact of Tough Love30:45 Lessons from Loss and Leadership32:47 Taking Risks for Growth35:50 Navigating Partnerships and Challenges38:40 Building a Team and Expanding Opportunities40:33 The Role of Coaching in Business Success44:31 Learning from Mistakes and Adjusting Strategies48:13 Understanding Business Dynamics and Financing49:58 The Old vs. New Business Mindset52:18 Empowering the Next Generation of Technicians53:16 The Importance of Transparency in Leadership55:46 Balancing Family and Business Life58:39 Finding Hobbies and Personal Time59:57 Navigating Work-Life Integration01:04:38 The Evolving Nature of Success01:07:18 Future Aspirations and Growth StrategiesRESOURCESAuto Service Leaders Conference 2026 - https://theaslconference.comAuto Service Leaders - https://autoserviceleaders.comAndrew Dominguez's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewdominguezAsher Automotive - https://asherautorepair.com/DTX Automotive - https://dtxautomotive.com/Guest LinksLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewdominguez

Episode 268 - Mastering Shop Management and Technician Relations in Today’s Auto Industry

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Austin joins the Changing The Industry Podcast to discuss his journey from dealership technician to shop owner in South Carolina. Austin shares the challenges of buying a shop as a young technician, including navigating the SBA loan acquisition process and building a reliable team after early hiring struggles. The conversation covers practical strategies for technician management and compensation, as well as the importance of professional bookkeeping and mentorship as a shop grows.00:00 Navigating industry-exclusive groups08:31 Hiring the first technician13:09 Starting the podcast idea20:25 Cost transparency with manufacturers23:02 ETI's role in tool manufacturing27:38 Managing car programming and updates34:15 Car's auto-braking false alarms39:15 Quick and safe control arm repair44:53 Building a strong technician team52:07 Technician attendance and bonus policy55:11 Dealing with difficult coworkers58:51 Growing with business mentors01:05:03 Evaluating business coach effectiveness01:12:50 Importance of clean financial records01:14:53 Wanting a strict accountant

Episode 267 - Building and Scaling Auto Shops: Culture, Challenges, and the Drive to Grow With Arun Coumar

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Arun Coumar joins Lucas Underwood and David Roman to discuss the challenges and rewards of multi-shop ownership. Arun highlights the critical role of shop culture and management in shop performance, emphasizing how the right team can make or break operations. The conversation also dives into the evolving automotive industry landscape, touching on consolidation trends and the necessity for adaptability in both business structure and mindset.00:00 Implementing an alternative work week schedule10:26 Considering leaving a job13:46 Realizing success isn't easy19:57 Logging mileage for efficiency26:01 Focus on local expansion first29:37 Considering sole ownership vs. growth33:54 Finding purpose after life challenges42:44 Creating and defining meaning45:40 Talking about single life challenges53:06 Choosing your life's challenges58:51 Challenges in the parts distribution industry01:00:58 Discussing future market changes

Episode 266 - Building Shop Efficiency and Team Culture with Greg Miller of Figs Auto Repair

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, David and Greg dive into the realities of shop ownership, growth, and staffing challenges in the auto repair industry. Greg shares his journey from IT business owner to owner of Figs Auto Repair in Charlotte, highlighting the importance of adapting processes for efficiency and using tools like Shop-Ware. The conversation also covers practical hiring lessons, including the need to hire and fire quickly and the value of connecting technicians with the broader industry through training events to improve retention.00:00 Blood draw complications05:28 Comparing safety of substances13:13 Navigating traffic delays18:35 Challenges with new hires24:24 Handling tough diagnostic jobs29:03 Adjusting pay for evaluation tasks36:10 Discussing car repair estimates40:51 Learning from industry veterans41:52 Community engagement in North Carolina49:25 Improving employee efficiency52:56 Customer communication and follow-ups01:02:58 Cooking steak tableside01:04:43 Discussing conference networking opportunities01:10:37 Networking and local support connections

Rob Eskew’s Rollercoaster Turnaround - Bonus Zoom Episode 1

Rob Eskew recounts his journey from a small basement shop to a multi-state operation, the near-collapse after rapid expansion, and the hard lessons learned about cash flow, accounting, and leadership. He explains how simplifying operations, tightening parts and accounting controls, and focusing on profit margins (aiming for 62.5%) turned the business around, paid off debt, and rebuilt a sustainable, growing company.

Episode 265 - Modern Pay Plans and Efficiency Tips To Fix The Tech Shortage With Eric Svedberg

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Lucas and David are joined by Eric Svedberg of European Autowerks. Eric shares his journey from starting in the gas station business at 16 to owning and growing a successful automotive shop. The conversation dives deep into the persistent technician shortage, with Eric outlining the challenges in attracting and retaining skilled talent and the evolving pay structures needed to stay competitive. The hosts and Eric also explore strategies for fair compensation, diagnostic testing systems, and the importance of shop culture and communication in bridging the divide between owners and technicians.00:00 Starting at a gas station job04:49 Rebranding to Automotive Specialists09:29 Mac and cheese cart setup11:26 Bellman warns about minibar sensor15:40 Salary expectations for auto techs18:05 Explaining the three-level system21:04 Handling customer pushback25:35 Technician pay discussions26:54 Negotiating a technician's pay raise30:33 Paying employees more than expected34:26 Explaining the production bonus system37:27 Growing demand for skilled technicians41:53 Ensuring seamless parts distribution44:01 Discussing social media dynamics48:42 Dealing with unreliable workers52:06 Understanding different industry perspectives55:27 Dealing with technician issues56:07 Discussing employee accountability

Before I Was the Boss Lady, I Was His Little Girl | William Brown and Ash Kaplan - Episode 7

Today, we welcome the man who started it all....William Brown, my daddio. It took some convincing to get him to open up, but I just HAD to let you meet him! Together with Ash Kaplan, we talk about how my dad didn't just build a shop, but and a legacy. He shares hard-earned wisdom from decades in the business, including how sacrifice and a refusal to quit paved the way for long-term success. Timestamps:00:00 Pricing for Profitability: Why YOUR benchmarks matter01:22 The Brown Effect: William Browns shop owner origin story05:10 From $3,000 Loans to $1.8 Million Shops—The Long Game07:35 Childhood Lessons Learned in the Shop09:02 “Excuses ain’t nothing but a made up lie”—Quitting in the Dip12:17 Making Hard Financial Choices (Do you need the Escalade?)16:28 When Is It OK to Treat Yourself? Dad’s Rules on Wealth18:57 Six Months in the Bank: Protecting Team and Family20:53 Work-Life “Balance”—What it Really Takes24:00 If Your Labor Rate Isn’t THEIR Business—Why Benchmarks are Personal28:38 “Pass the Baton”: Building Teams, Letting Go, and Growth37:40 Leadership vs. Boss: Why Pouring Into Your People Matters42:50 Firing, Hiring, and Being Held Hostage in Your Own Business47:10 When You Outgrow Your Shop (and Why that’s a Win!)56:25 Would You Do It Again?

Breaking Down The Cost Of Doing Business

Most shop owners don’t have a pricing problem. They have a numbers problem and it’s costing them more than they realize. In this episode, Kevin breaks down what actually happens to every dollar that comes into a shop and why so many owners are busy,...

Stop Leaving Money on the Table: How to Master Your Shop Management System [RR 1085]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:b7123d23-4a4b-4700-b41f-68ea2bc61414-0" data-testid="conversation-turn-2" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn="assistant"> Recorded live at VISION 2026, host Carm Capriotto speaks with Evis Husejnovic of NAPA TRACS about how shops can boost profitability and customer service by better using their shop management systems. Husejnovic highlights that most owners use only 10–15% of their software, often missing key tools for managing operations. NAPA TRACS addresses this with hands-on support, user groups, and daily training. The conversation also emphasizes a “treatment plan” approach to digital vehicle inspections, helping shops increase revenue through thorough, preventative maintenance rather than higher car counts. While technology has rapidly evolved, Husejnovic reinforces that auto repair remains a relationship-driven, “handshake” business, and shares how NAPA TRACS is helping train future technicians through partnerships with technical schools. VISION Hi-Tech Training & Expo: https://visionkc.com/ Evis Husejnovic, Regional Sales Manager, NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Learn more about NAPA Auto Care and the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: - Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/ - Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club: https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmasters - Join Our Private Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976 - Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriotto - Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/ - Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/ - Visit the Website: https://remarkableresults.biz/ - Join our Insider List: https://remarkableresults.biz/insider - All books mentioned on our podcasts: https://remarkableresults.biz/books - Our Classroom page for personal or team learning: https://remarkableresults.biz/classroom - Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm - Special episode collections: https://remarkableresults.biz/collections - The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ - Remarkable Results Radio Podcast with Carm Capriotto: Advancing the Aftermarket by Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion. https://remarkableresults.biz/ - Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z with Matt Fanslow: From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life. https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/ - Business by the Numbers with Hunt Demarest: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest. https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/ - The Auto Repair Marketing Podcast with Kim and Brian Walker: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level. https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/ - The Weekly Blitz with Chris Cotton: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching. https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/ - Speak Up! Effective Communication with Craig O'Neill: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills when Speaking to Audiences of Any Size. https://craigoneill.captivate.fm &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

Is Your Shop the Problem? Hard Truths from the Voice of the Technician Survey Results [RR 1084]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:b7123d23-4a4b-4700-b41f-68ea2bc61414-0" data-testid="conversation-turn-2" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn="assistant"> Host Carm Capriotto speaks with Jay Goninen, co-founder and president of WrenchWay, about insights from the 2026 Voice of the Technician Survey and what it reveals about the state of the automotive workforce. Jay encourages shop owners to download the free report to uncover blind spots and start meaningful conversations with their teams. The data show that technicians strongly prefer a four-day, 10-hour workweek with no weekends, along with proper equipment, paid vacation, retirement benefits, and paid training. While dealership technicians made up a larger share of respondents, independents stood out in workplace culture. 63% of independent technicians would recommend their shop to a friend, compared to 36% at dealerships, though dealerships scored higher in providing paid training. Across both groups, technicians favor an hourly wage plus bonus structure, which many feel better supports diagnosticians than traditional flat-rate systems. The discussion also highlights a troubling trend: the industry’s Net Promoter Score dropped to -60 in 2026, signaling that many technicians would not recommend the profession to others. To strengthen the talent pipeline, Jay discusses ASE Connects, a new initiative aimed at connecting shops with high school and technical school automotive programs to support them through mentorship, advisory roles, and community engagement. Carm also advocates elevating the profession by shifting the language from “mechanic” or “technician” to “specialist,” emphasizing the expertise required to work on today’s vehicles. Overall, the episode serves as a wake-up call for shop owners to use the survey insights to evaluate their culture, communication, and work environments, and to become employers technicians are proud to recommend. https://wrenchway.com/resources/2026-voice-of-technician-survey-report/ Jay Goninen, Co-Founder and President, WrenchWay Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Learn more about NAPA Auto Care and the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: - Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/ - Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club: https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmasters - Join Our Private Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976 - Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriotto - Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/ - Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/ - Visit the Website: https://remarkableresults.biz/ - Join our Insider List: https://remarkableresults.biz/insider - All books mentioned on our podcasts: https://remarkableresults.biz/books - Our Classroom page for personal or team learning: https://remarkableresults.biz/classroom - Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm - Special episode collections: https://remarkableresults.biz/collections - The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ - Remarkable Results Radio Podcast with Carm Capriotto: Advancing the Aftermarket by Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion. https://remarkableresults.biz/ - Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z with Matt Fanslow: From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life. https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/ - Business by the Numbers with Hunt Demarest: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest. https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/ - The Auto Repair Marketing Podcast with Kim and Brian Walker: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level. https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/ - The Weekly Blitz with Chris Cotton: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching. https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/ - Speak Up! Effective Communication with Craig O'Neill: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills when Speaking to Audiences of Any Size. https://craigoneill.captivate.fm &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;...

Ep 81 - Mike Martin, Travis May & Matt Lofton | Why Getting a Coach Will Change Your Life

Tektonic 2027 is coming up April 1-3, and if you missed year 1, you MUST NOT miss year 2. It's bigger, it's better, because is Tekmetric's conference. You know it's gonna be the best conference in the history of conferences. Get lower pricing now HEREMy marketing before and after signing up with Turnkey Marketing is pretty scary. In a good way. Get your marketing right today HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you! Make your techs happier with Detect Auto. They'll stop getting "check noise" or "check vibration" from advisors with the customer concern tool. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Book a demo HEREElite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HERETravis May and Mike Martin are shop owners who coach with Elite Worldwide. Matt Lofton, as many of you know, is the Director of Coaching for Elite (and my personal coach/therapist). Today, we all talk about how having coaches through Elite have literally changed our lives and helped us in ways we may never be able to truly explain.Timestamps:00:00 Falling in love with your own success: Absentee ownership pitfalls01:08 Meet the guests: Legacies, buyouts, and shop owner backgrounds05:21 The journey to Elite: Why top shop owners chose coaching06:30 Humbling lessons—how the Elite Master Service Advisor program changes everything10:09 Accountability, habit-building, and real growth with ongoing coaching12:17 2025 Recap: Big wins, tough months, and lessons learned14:31 The owner’s struggle: Profit discipline & staying out of “the cookie jar”16:02 Finally closing the building deal: How perseverance pays off17:19 Navigating post-pandemic reality: The “sugar rush” is over18:46 Big goals for 2026: Celebrating wins—and moving forward20:40 The power of taking action: Why implementation beats excuses23:45 Personal growth, team impact, and communicating with your staff24:32 Best event takeaways: Coffee Bean Analogy & daily goal setting28:15 Why community events and peer networks make all the difference33:11 Biggest struggles today: Generational gaps & trusting your process38:55 Parting wisdom: If you don’t have a coach, get one!

Episode 260 - Navigating Family Legacy and Change in the Automotive Business With Jackie & Darryl Beech

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Lucas and David are joined by Darryl and Jackie Beech to explore the dynamics of running and transitioning a family-owned automotive business. Darryl reflects on the importance of having strong business processes and work-life balance, sharing his motivation to set Jackie up for long-term success as she steps into a larger leadership role. Jackie opens up about the challenges—and privileges—of carrying forward her father's legacy, focusing on the value of maintaining strong customer relationships while preparing for inevitable changes.00:00 "Doubting His Radio Future"04:40 "Family, Loss, and Betrayal"08:19 "Mismanagement and Lack of Structure"10:42 "Shopware's Lifesaving Support"14:53 Forensic Analysis in Auto Failures18:21 "Tailored Vehicle Maintenance Advice"21:31 Transitioning Business Leadership and Operations23:38 "Balancing Business and Social Hurdles"28:52 "Senior Tech Rejects Management Training"31:54 "Saving a Family Legacy"35:02 Navigating Tough Clients Effectively38:49 "Embracing Leadership Humility"40:32 "Early Career Diversification Needed"44:45 "Growth Through Decisions and Challenges"48:08 Managing Stress and Support Systems49:55 "Overcoming Recession and Struggle"53:34 "Navigating Family Life and Struggles"56:48 "Childhood Memories: The Good Side"

Overcome Your Fears and Be YOU!! | Episode 3

In this episode, Tonnika Haynes welcomes Ash Kaplan to talk about the realities of shop ownership and building a business with authenticity. Tonnika Haynes shares her journey taking over her family’s automotive shop, highlighting the challenges of stepping into leadership and learning to trust her team. Ash details her path from tinkering as a kid to founding Golden Hour Garage, emphasizing the importance of meaningful connections, empowering shop owners to reclaim their time, and why authenticity is her #1 core value. Timestamps:00:00 Authority, legacy, and what it really means to be in control00:28 Welcome & the power of “downshifting” in business01:22 Meet Tonnika & Ash: Shop owner & efficiency expert introductions02:19 Family, motherhood, and how your “why” changes with time04:20 “Working on, not in the business”—the struggle to delegate06:01 How an industry call led to a friendship—and better business07:16 Generational divides & why standing out matters in shop life11:14 Why Tonnika thought she needed “the old white guy up front” & learning to lead as herself13:04 The moment walking into an industry event changed everything17:33 The story behind “Downshift”—slowing down to level up18:25 Relationships first: Building trust and brand beyond company names21:06 Investing in people: How remote services help reclaim time & sanity24:33 The health scare that became a wake-up call for better business balance27:33 Letting go, trusting the team, and why delegation pays twice29:13 The magic of remote estimating: More customer time, more profit30:58 Selling with empathy, not assumptions—the secret to loyal customers33:40 How serving people first changes everything44:06 Ash’s journey from duct tape diva to shop problem-solver53:00 The grit it takes: Advice for women entering the industry01:04:42 Tonnika turns a struggling shop into a legacy of growth01:16:34 Why shop culture means everything—and how to actually build it01:22:04 Owning your story, embracing authenticity, and letting your “why” shine

Why Forward-Thinking in Auto Repair is Critical | JeanAnn SaintGrace

Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsors.   Need to update your shop systems and software? Try Tekmetric HERESave 15% on your next Launch Tech USA tool with code Launch15. Use that code at checkout HEREIn this episode, Jeff is joined by JeanAnn SaintGrace, host of the BRAND NEW podcast in the Changing the Industry Network "Shop Talk Her Way". She's also an automotive shop coach and former shop owner. JeanAnn shares her journey from accidental shop ownership to building a business focused on profitability, people, and succession planning. Together, they discuss the importance of protecting technicians' pay and treating them like "racehorses," strategies for consistent profit to secure employee futures, and the emotional realities behind leadership and preparing for unexpected life events.Click here to listen to JeanAnn's podcast "Shop Talk Her Way"Timestamps:00:00 "Envying the Natural Puzzle Guys"19:50 "Managing Reputation in Business"25:14 Husband-Wife Power Dynamics in Business32:37 Technician Dynamics and Customer Communication41:43 "Survival Mode and Unequal Pay"57:25 "Challenges of Running a Shop"01:03:40 "Challenges of Transparency in Sales"01:14:02 "Proof Her Method Works"01:29:25 "Have a Plan for Uncertainty"01:42:32 Work-Life Balance Perspectives01:49:59 "Finding Purpose Through Positivity"01:58:19 "Resilience, Connection, and Legacy" Follow/Subscribe to the show on social media! TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffcompton7YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheJadedMechanicFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091347564232

RSR Feeling Stressed Pod

Owning a repair shop can look pretty damn good from the outside. The cars are moving. The team is working. The bills are getting paid. Maybe there is even money sitting in the bank. So why does it still feel like everything could fall apart...

Ep 114 - Turnkey Marketing Call #1 | The $84,000 Mistake Hiding in Your Shop

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREMike Allen sits down with Carrie-Lynn Rodenberg of Turnkey Marketing to kick off a new monthly series that lets listeners sit in on the marketing side of running Mike's shops. They break down marketing budgets, customer acquisition, direct mail, attribution, branding, customer retention, phone performance, and why simply making the phone ring means nothing if the shop can’t convert the opportunity. Carrie-Lynn also uncovers a painful number at Mike’s flagship store: hundreds of first-time callers but only a fraction turning into customers, potentially representing tens of thousands of dollars in missed revenue. Along the way, Mike admits he may be Turnkey’s worst client, explains why shutting marketing off when you’re busy can come back to haunt you months later, and learns that sometimes the marketing isn’t broken — the operation is.Timestamps: 00:00 Seven Years Since Turnkey First Visited Carfix00:41 Mike Used to Sleep at the Shop03:15 Meet Carrie-Lynn Rodenberg and Turnkey Marketing05:24 Mike Buys Marketing Tools… Then Forgets to Use Them07:05 How Mike Started Working With Turnkey08:57 Mike Tried Doing His Own Marketing — Then Came Back09:07 Why We’re Recording Mike’s Marketing Calls11:21 The Hidden Cost of Bad Marketing13:25 Sniper Marketing vs. Spray and Pray13:41 Carrie-Lynn Went From Doing Everything to Building a Team14:44 Mike’s 115-Episode Long Con 😂15:51 Stop Making Your Marketing About Yourself17:28 Why Most Small-Business Marketing Becomes White Noise20:14 Your Competition Is Better Than You Think21:36 How a Business Responds When Things Go Wrong23:07 Every Shop Says They Have Great Service23:53 How Do You Actually Stand Out?26:24 Why Direct Mail Takes Time to Work28:50 Every Shop Has Blind Spots29:33 Want to Ruin Mike’s Day? Listen to His Phone Calls30:12 Did Your Marketing Actually Make the Phone Ring?30:59 Why Marketing Attribution Is So Difficult32:27 The Creepy Side of Modern Targeted Marketing34:29 Can You Target Technicians at a Competitor’s Shop?36:12 What Turnkey’s Marketing Onboarding Looks Like37:26 SEO, AI Search and Building the Right Marketing Mix40:04 Bad Marketing Can Cost You Technicians Too40:24 Mike Confesses He Might Be Turnkey’s Worst Client42:34 Carrie-Lynn Finds a Painful Number43:41 What Should Your Call Conversion Rate Be?44:25 229 New Callers… Only 56 New Cars44:55 Mike Explains Where Carfix Dropped the Ball46:16 How Service Advisors Say “No” Without Saying No47:06 More Staffing Means More Opportunity to Say Yes49:54 Did Carfix Leave $84K on the Table?50:24 The Marketing Worked — Carfix Didn’t Convert It50:49 Why You Shouldn’t Turn Marketing Off When You’re Busy51:23 Today’s Marketing Decisions Affect Your Slow Season52:47 The Cheapest Customer Is the One You Already Have53:16 Why Customer Retention Matters So Much54:18 Why Shops Should Prebook the Next Appointment54:54 Convenience May Be Your Biggest Competitive Advantage55:21 You Might Be Paying to Market Your Competition56:20 A $100 Lead Could Become a $32,000 Lost Customer57:33 What This New Monthly Marketing Series Will Look Like58:51 Mike Finally Promises New Pictures

The Power of Financing: A Growth Tool for Auto Repair Shops [RR 1108]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode What happens when a customer needs a $2,000 repair but doesn’t have the cash available today? That moment can determine whether the vehicle gets repaired, the customer delays a critical service, or they take their business somewhere else. For automotive shops, offering flexible payment options can be more than a convenience. It can be a powerful tool for helping customers say yes to the work their vehicles need. Kwane Stokes, Assistant Vice President and Relationship Manager in the automotive division at Synchrony, explains how the program can help shops remove financial barriers, increase repair opportunities, and create another reason for customers to return. Kwane also addresses why many shops still aren't offering financing and how the biggest obstacle may simply be the assumptions advisors make about a customer's ability or willingness to pay. What You'll Learn Why financing should be presented as a payment option, not something an advisor decides a customer needs.How the program's average first and repeat purchase amounts demonstrate the potential impact on average repair order (ARO).Why assuming a customer can't qualify for credit can cause shops to lose needed repair work.How monthly promotional offers can give shops another reason to communicate with their customers.How advisor incentives and simple training can encourage more consistent presentation of financing.What the upcoming "waterfall" financing model could mean for customers who aren't approved through the primary credit program. The biggest opportunity may not be finding more customers. It may be giving the customers already sitting at your counter more ways to say yes. The key is removing the assumption that you know what a customer can or cannot afford. Present the options, explain them clearly, and let the customer decide what works for their financial situation. For a shop, financing isn't simply about collecting payment. It's another tool for helping customers get the repairs they need while protecting the relationship and keeping the work in your shop. Kwane Stokes, AVP, Relationship Manager, Auto Network, Synchrony Learn more about the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with on-site training and six days a week of support: http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download Our Mobile App:https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFacebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderBooks Page:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom Page:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomEpisode Collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collectionsBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto:https://remarkableresults.biz/Automotive Field TheorywithMatt Fanslow:https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the NumberswithHunt Demarest: https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcastwith Brian and Kim Walker: https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/The Weekly Blitzwith Chris Cotton: https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/Speak Up! Effective Communicationwith Craig O'Neill: https://craigoneill.captivate.fm &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

Super Tech OR Owner: My 15 Year Struggle & How I Fixed It | EP13 | Shop Fix Academy Podcast

90 hours a week, elite technician credentials, and a growing shop... but Eric Walker was still failing as an owner. Why? He couldn't grow long term while carrying the whole auto shop on his back. The cars were being fixed, but nobody’s work was ever good enough. So the “super tech” kept stepping in, taking over, and teaching his team to depend on him. In this episode, Guy Roberts and Michael "The Berg" Rosenberger dig into the shift from technician identity to actual ownership. Learn the moment Eric realized his standards were holding his people back, why letting a technician struggle can actually reduce the owner’s struggle, and why the guy with the quickest answer can become the biggest bottleneck in the building. Your job is no longer to be the hero who fixes every car themselves. Your job is to build people who can solve problems without you. Eric spent more than a decade carrying the load. Today, his auto shop has a 13 person team rowing in the same direction even when he isn’t there.Stop searching for better technicians and start developing the ones you have with Tech Fix.https://shopfixacademy.com/tech-fix?utm_source=sfa-podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=join-tech-fix&utm_content=ctaGet the structure and support to stop carrying your entire shop yourself with Shop Fix LITE.https://shopfixacademy.com/shop-fix-lite?utm_source=sfa-podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=join-lite&utm_content=ctaLearn how top shop owners build teams that perform without everything falling back on you with our free Replays & Guides.https://shopfixacademy.com/replays-and-guides?utm_source=sfa-podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=shopfix-resources&utm_content=cta

Episode 285 - Bad Reviews Can Lead To Better Practices With Brett Hunziker

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, the conversation focused on real-world challenges faced by shop owners and technicians, including the complexities of managing customer expectations and navigating negative reviews. One concept discussed was the need for transparent diagnostic processes and detailed communication, especially when customers question pricing or feel they already know the issue with their vehicles. A key theme that emerged was the importance of accurate shop management—covering everything from parts inventory to internal controls in software like Shop-Ware—to ensure profitability and reduce clerical errors.00:00 Out-of-province vehicle inspections06:53 Florida driver's license language law15:54 Construction mistake with leaning structure16:42 Visiting the 9/11 Memorial Museum23:08 Challenges of Replacing Headlights27:58 Car repair frustration and miscommunication32:35 Discussing diagnostic trouble codes37:32 Introducing Whisperflow for Note-Taking47:24 Customer dissatisfaction with tire pricing50:29 Dealer pricing and customer experiences56:11 Adjusting labor rates and pay structure01:01:02 Evaluating Business Efficiency and Labor01:09:15 Old machinist's inventory strategy01:09:52 Buying and selling steel

EVERYTHING You Need to Know about Master Tech to Millionaire + Autoshop Answers

In this crucial & very special episode of Master Tech to Millionaire, Joe Adams & Glenn Piccolo break down the essential terminology, history, and operational secrets of the Auto Hospitality Group to get you totally dialed in. Whether you’re gearing up for the legendary Key to Key to Callbacks weekend, VIP, Courtside, or just want the blueprint on how a master technician scales into a millionaire, we’re decoding it all. Get ready to learn the 8-figure difference between auto repair and auto hospitality, what a "VIP Rack Attack" actually looks like, and why hands-on jobs in "Bay 1" are your biggest opportunities. Stop guessing and start scaling. Hit play to learn the language of million-dollar auto shops, and visit AutoShopAnswers.com to get your business on the fast track.   https://autoshopanswers.com

Daily Habits That Build a Stronger Auto Repair Shop Culture [THA 501]

Thanks to our Partners: NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> What does a strong shop culture look like when you’re the people living it every day? Bree Wismer, Service Advisor and Frontline Culture Leader, and Trevor Hinds, Operations Manager and Dispatcher at Empower Automotive in Traverse City, Michigan, take us inside the daily habits and communication practices that keep their team aligned, productive, and focused on the customer. Rather than approaching culture from the owner's perspective, Bri and Trevor share what happens on the front lines. They explain how Empower Automotive breaks down the traditional divide between the front counter and the bays, keeps everyone on the "same bus," and creates a workplace where every person understands their role, respects the team around them, and contributes to the same goal. What You'll Learn Why the front counter and specialists must operate as one team.How daily huddles and short training sessions keep the team aligned.Why the 1:00 PM check-in can prevent late-day customer surprises.Why a "no-update" update can be one of the most valuable customer communications.How to respond when customers arrive with AI-generated or parts-store diagnoses.How respect, communication, and accountability create confident professionalism. Building a world-class shop culture doesn’t require a massive budget or a complicated organizational overhaul. By committing to these small, consistent actions, you can transform your shop from a high-stress environment into a thriving, unified business that both your team and your customers enjoy. Bree Wismer, Service Advisor, Frontline Culture Leader, Empower Automotive, Traverse City, MI Trevor Hinds, Operations Manager, Dispatcher, Workflow and Culture, Empower Automotive, Traverse City, MI NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training, six days a week of support, and local representation. http://napatracs.com/ Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. https://www.todaysclass.com/ Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. https://www.kukui.com/ You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download and Listen on Our Mobile App: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carmSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collections The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto:https://remarkableresults.biz/Automotive Field Theorywith Matt Fanslow https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the Numberswith CPA Hunt Demarest: https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcastwith Brian and Kim Walker:<a...

Is Flat Rate Driving Young Technicians Out of the Trade? with Tanner Watters

Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsors.Need to update your shop systems and software? Try Tekmetric HERESave 15% on your next Launch Tech USA tool with code Launch15. Use that code at checkout HEREIn this episode, Jeff Compton talks with Tanner Waters, a field and shop technician in rural Montana, about his path into the trade and what life is like working on tractors, combines, and hay equipment. Tanner shares his apprenticeship experience, field diagnostics, long drives, and major repairs while comparing hourly efficiency pay with flat rate.The conversation also explores why younger technicians leave the industry, the importance of shop culture and leadership, technician communication, diagnostic time, training apprentices, and the future of agricultural equipment with autonomy, EVs, emissions, and right to repair.Timestamps:00:00 Shop Culture Wins 00:34 Podcast Intro and Guest Setup 01:45 Montana Life and Fishing Talk 02:43 How Tanner Got Wrenching 03:24 Corvette and Hemi Memories 05:43 Wrangler Ownership and Oil Cooler 08:41 Life as a Field Tech 11:55 Winter Regens and Emissions 13:36 From Kenworth to John Deere 14:32 Old-School Trucks and Cabovers 18:17 Apprenticeship Tools and Toolboxes 22:50 Princess Auto and Canada Road Trip 26:14 MMA Stories 31:02 The Missing Age Group in the Trade 32:00 The Flat Rate Gap 34:48 Recalls and PIPs 36:08 Why Technicians Leave 40:54 Hourly Efficiency Pay 51:18 Workflow Support Roles 55:03 Technicians Selling the Job 59:54 Pre-Authorizing Repairs 01:04:18 Why Diagnostics Take Time 01:09:50 Transmission Service Expectations 01:11:05 Free Diagnostics vs. Evaluation 01:13:08 Asking Better Questions 01:14:07 Intermittent Turbo Faults 01:15:19 Parts Quality Reality Check 01:18:39 Build Quality and Technician Pay 01:20:54 Training Apprentices the Right Way 01:23:27 Motivation and Career Paths 01:27:13 Turnover and Leadership 01:32:56 Ag Tech Levels and Certifications 01:34:08 Autonomy and Electric Agriculture 01:38:29 EVs in Rural Life 01:41:32 Muscle Cars and Collectors 01:44:49 Jeep Ducks Culture 01:45:53 The Top-Off Jeep Debate 01:47:13 Wrangler Tops and Leaks 01:48:26 Refrigerant Changes and 1234yf 01:49:58 AC Repair Customer Headaches 01:52:57 DIY Refrigerant Cans and Regulations 01:57:29 Right to Repair Deere 02:01:26 Technician Shortage and OTA Updates 02:04:36 Self-Driving and Subscriptions 02:08:54 Shop Culture and Career 02:13:35 Events, Sponsors, and Farewell Follow/Subscribe to the show on social media! TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffcompton7YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheJadedMechanicFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091347564232

Episode 284 - Managing Stress and Leading a Young Team in the Automotive Industry With Trey Holley

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Lucas and David are joined by Trey Holley, a shop owner from Thomaston, Georgia. Trey shares his journey from being a lifelong mechanic to learning the ropes of business ownership, highlighting the unique challenges faced in small Southern towns. The conversation touches on the importance of supporting fellow shop owners rather than viewing them purely as competitors, and Trey offers insight into the work-life balance struggles that led him to prioritize both his health and the building of a strong, supportive team.00:00 Atlanta airport's massive scale03:41 Long walks at airports06:27 Thunder Valley racetrack experience10:30 Southern business challenges with generosity13:29 Overwhelmed by business demands19:09 New guy in town setting up20:59 University town business challenges22:34 Building Industry Relationships26:46 Discussing business challenges with spouse31:14 Discussing labor cost strategy35:32 Quality control and final checks38:55 Balancing work and family time40:33 Dealing with family anxiety44:57 Balancing multiple responsibilities47:21 Discovering the Enneagram for Communication49:12 On choosing the right people

From Key2Key to Massive Cashflow - August Key2Key debrief - Bonus Zoom Episode 13

Glenn Piccolo and the Auto Hospitality Group debrief an explosive Courtside weekend and break down how shops can actually get started with the Key2Key concept.   Also, overcoming public-speaking fear through repetition, using scatterplots to track team development, and available resources (VIP Rack Attack, leadership classes, AI Academy, and Auto Shop Answers) to help shops scale.   AutoshopAnswers.com Auto-Shop-Media.com

Your Shop’s Toughest Competitor Is in the Mirror [THA 499]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> Who is your shop's toughest competitor: the business down the street, or the people inside your own four walls? Carm Capriotto sits down with shop owners Dwayne Myers and Al Oramas to explore internal competition and why the biggest threats to a shop's success often come from within. The conversation challenges owners to stop obsessing over competitors and start examining their own leadership, consistency, processes, and customer experience. What You'll Learn Why operational consistency matters and how small deviations can create chaos.Why owners can't effectively lead from the "engine room."How true delegation requires owners to let go of control and trust their teams.Why "everything speaks" when it comes to the customer experience.How standing at the curb can reveal things owners no longer notice inside their own shops.How simple physical and operational improvements can create meaningful change.Why asking employees what they love and what they would change can reveal the true health of a business. Your greatest competitor may be staring back at you in the mirror. The shops that grow stronger are willing to look inward, challenge their own habits, listen to their teams, and consistently raise the standard. Leadership isn't about controlling every detail; it's about creating the environment, expectations, and trust that allow the entire team to perform at its best. Dwayne Myers, Dynamic Automotive, 8 locations, Maryland. Dwayne’s previous episodes HERE. Al Oramas, Pro Auto Care, 2 locations, Denver and Littleton, CO Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ David Boyes, President of ‘Today’s Class”  David’s previous episodes HERE Brad Updegraff, Dave’s Ultimate Automotive, 7 locations, Austin, TX. Brad’s previous episodes HERE. Thanks to our Partner, NAPA TRACS NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Today's Class Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ Thanks to our Partner, KUKUI Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. Get industry-leading customer support with KUKUI at https://www.kukui.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download and Listen on Our Mobile App: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carmSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collections...

Bonus Episode - Emily Oliver On Keeping It in the Family While Facing Challenges and Growth at a Small Auto Shop

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Emily Oliver joins the podcast to share her journey of taking over a small family auto repair shop in Gloucester, Massachusetts. Emily talks about the challenges of modernizing operations, from adopting new software like Shop-Ware to implementing more thorough documentation and communication processes with customers. The conversation also highlights the complexities of hourly billing in auto repair, the challenges of managing family roles in business, and the importance of continuous learning and adaptation as the shop grows.00:00 Family auto shop's history08:56 Simple billing system explained10:55 Tracking time in auto repair bays19:04 Standardizing Inspection Processes23:10 Issues with technician pricing30:07 Convincing family about car maintenance36:33 Communicating with customers39:47 Dealing with other mechanics' issues46:27 Early challenges and learning curve54:21 Managing finances and staying focused56:10 Discussing parts pricing strategy01:01:21 Gaining insights from peer feedback

Ep 111 - Mike and Bryan | Technicians Want More Money… But Won’t Do the Work

Tekmetric transformed my shop. Plain and simple. Want that for yours? Touch HEREIf you're like me and aren't good at marketing, don't do it on your own. Let the experts handle it. Touch HERE for more on Turnkey Marketing.47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HERE When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!In this episode of Confessions of a Shop Owner, Mike Allen and Bryan Pollock get into technician pay, work ethic, training, shop culture, and whether today’s owners are expecting too much from the modern workforce. Bryan questions whether the self-motivated technician is disappearing, while Mike pushes back on the idea that someone should receive six-figure pay before developing a six-figure skill set. They also get into government regulation and price-gouging enforcement, bad repair shops, Mike’s anonymous Facebook trolling, and why sometimes the industry’s problems feel impossible to fix. And because this is Confessions, Mike also explains how he managed to injure himself playing kickball on the beach.Timestamps:00:00 Mike’s Casino Decisions & Bryan’s Corvette Disaster04:54 Mike Gets a Letter From the Attorney General07:34 Fraud Alert…Live During the Podcast08:05 Mike’s Fake Career as a Professional Blimp Folder12:23 Confession: Mike Has Been Trolling Shop Owners Anonymously17:17 Why There’s More Than One Right Way to Run a Shop19:37 Three Shop Owners With Completely Different Business Models21:44 David Roman Wants Absolutely Nothing to Do With Mike24:19 Cheap Labor Rates & Buying Failed Shops’ Equipment25:07 Is Bryan Becoming a Cranky Old Shop Owner?27:05 Are Technicians Becoming Too Dependent on Shop Owners?29:22 Bryan’s Crash Course Into Becoming a Technician32:26 Is the Self-Motivated Technician Disappearing?33:23 Should You Make $100K Before You Have $100K Skills?35:31 What Happens When Newer Cars Get Even More Complicated?35:58 “I Want to Learn”…But Won’t Use Free Training37:10 Technicians Who Say Training Is “Too Basic”39:18 Bryan’s Government Intervention Rant Begins41:00 Price Gouging vs. Shops That Can’t Fix Cars43:43 Who Gets to Decide What an Auto Repair Shop Should Charge?47:01 Why Government Regulation Won’t Fix the Real Problem48:10 Should Shops Call Out Bad Repairs From Other Shops?52:44 Mike Adds Four Employees to His Shops55:10 Mike’s Most Embarrassing Kickball Story57:02 Mike Defends His Sumo Wrestling Record58:25 Why You Need to Be at ASTA Expo

Are Your Service Advisors Killing Technician Production?

This week on Repair Shop Reckoning, Kevin and Jason dig into a problem happening in shops everywhere: technicians are being blamed for not producing enough hours, but nobody is stopping to ask whether those hours were ever sold in the first place. If...

Ep 110 - Ryan Ragan and Tony Mercury | Why Every Shop Owner Needs to Go to ASTA

Tektonic 2027 is coming up April 1-3, and if you missed year 1, you MUST NOT miss year 2. It's bigger, it's better, because is Tekmetric's conference. You know it's gonna be the best conference in the history of conferences. Get lower pricing now HEREMy marketing before and after signing up with Turnkey Marketing is pretty scary. In a good way. Get your marketing right today HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you! Make your techs happier with Detect Auto. They'll stop getting "check noise" or "check vibration" from advisors with the customer concern tool. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Book a demo HEREElite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREIn this episode, Mike Allen, Ryan Ragan, and Tony Mercury dig into the power of networking and relationship-building at automotive industry events like the ASTA Expo. They talk about how rapid advances in technology, especially AI, are reshaping both vehicles and shop operations. They also stress the huge benefits that come from dropping egos and openly sharing struggles, with honest conversations paving the way for growth and support among shop owners.Wanna win a ticket to ASTA? If you're a shop owner who has never been, register to WIN HERETimestamps:00:00 Survivor-Style Competition: The ASTA Expo Gets Wild01:36 Why Every Shop Owner Needs Car Tribe Connections04:01 The Miata, the “Fun Car” & Shop Owner Cred10:08 The Future of Self-Driving, Subscription Cars & AI in Auto Repair12:16 From T-Mobile Number to Success: Meet Tony Mercury18:01 The Honest Shop Owner Life Cycle (and Why We Stagnate)20:08 Crushing Ego and Building Teams in the Shop25:46 Why First-Time Expo Attendees See HUGE Growth26:07 The Ultimate Training and Networking Lineup at ASTA30:01 Inside the ASTA Survivor Pre-Party: Obstacle Courses, Axe Throwing & More32:28 How to Win Free Tickets & Why You Have No Excuse33:14 The 80+ Classes that Actually Move the Needle in Your Shop36:24 Shop Owners Only: No-Vendor, No-BS Roundtables40:08 Raw Entrepreneur Talk, Family Fails, and Real-Life Shop Disasters42:02 How to Get Involved, Confess, and Join the Next Event

Don't Send Your Service Advisor Into A Battle Unarmed

Your service advisor may be the gatekeeper of your entire business, but have you actually trained them to protect it? In Part One of this two-part Repair Shop Reckoning conversation, Kevin Brown and Jason Tracey break down one of the most expensive...

The “Kohl’s Cash” of Auto Repair: Turning Customer Rewards Into Repeat Business [THA 495]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> What keeps customers coming back when the shop down the street is advertising lower prices? Tom Sciortino of Total Automotive and Jeff Rudnick of Pit Crew Loyalty reveal how a well-designed loyalty program can become your shop's competitive advantage. Drawing from Tom celebrating 40 years in business, they share how rewarding customers, celebrating milestones, and investing in the community create stronger relationships, more referrals, and sustainable growth. What You'll Learn How customer loyalty programs increase repeat visits and average repair orders.Why rewards help differentiate your shop from price-driven competitors.Creative referral strategies that attract high-quality new customers.How time-sensitive rewards can recover deferred work and win back inactive customers.Ways to celebrate business milestones that engage employees and customers.Why community involvement builds trust, loyalty, and lasting relationships. Loyalty is more than a rewards program. When combined with meaningful community engagement and exceptional customer experiences, it becomes a powerful strategy for increasing retention, referrals, and sustainable business growth. Tom Sciortino, Total Automotive, Buffalo, NY. Tom’s previous episodes HERE. Jeff Rudnick, CEO, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Beyond the Repair Order: The Strategy of Customer Loyalty [RR 1077]: https://remarkableresults.biz/remarkable-results-radio-podcast/e1077/ Thanks to our Partner, NAPA TRACS NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Today's Class Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ Thanks to our Partner, KUKUI Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. Get industry-leading customer support with KUKUI at https://www.kukui.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Download and Listen on Our Mobile App: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/app/Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carmSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collections The Automotive Repair Podcast...

Using the Shop Tour to Identify Pain & Close the Deal

Joe Adams hosts a legendary wealth management advisor, exploring and breaking down the Sandler sales approach—professionals solve by identifying pain, quantifying it, and personalizing solutions—so shops can build trust and close more business. The episode also covers wealth-building basics: start early, buy assets not liabilities, use compounding, diversify outside the business, and plan estate and insurance strategies to protect family wealth and prepare for an exit. AutoshopAnswers.com Auto-Shop-Media.com

Ep 107 - Rich Falco | The ADAS Mistake That Could Cost You Everything

Keep shop management, payments, marketing (all the things) all in one place with Tekmetric. It will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. Click HERETurnkey Marketing has made my life SOOO much simpler, AND they've helped keep the phone ringing. Do you need these two things too? Learn more HERE47 Consultants brings your shop’s story to life on social media, helping Carfix engage 60,000 people in Raleigh in just a few weeks. See what 47 Consultants can do for your shop, and tell them Big Daddy Mike sent you!When I used the maintenance tool for the fist time with Detect Auto, my mind was blown. My advisors had the same reaction - and then SO MUCH MORE TIME. Learn more about Detect Auto and book a free demo now!Elite Worldwide's Ignite 2027 is coming up in February and NOW is the time to sign up. It's happening in Vegas February 4-6 and it will be the best 3 days of your shops year when you attend. Save $100 when you use code CONFESSIONS HEREIn this episode, Mike Allen welcomes Rich Falco to talk about the challenges and stories behind running a shop in today’s changing automotive landscape. They focus heavily on why shop owners need to invest in technician training and the difficulties many shops face bridging the gap between what techs want to learn and what the industry demands. A key theme that emerged was the growing impact of ADAS calibrations, the risk of improper repairs, and the increasing need for specialized equipment and procedures.Timestamps:00:00 Scope Drama: Impressive Diagnostics or Just for the ‘Gram?01:05 Poker Nights & Shop Camaraderie02:58 CTI Training Center – Tech Paradise04:44 Bikers, Miatas & Life After Kids05:11 Running a Mobile Calibration Business06:29 Body Shop Calibrations: Bent Brackets & Bad Installs07:05 Small Shops vs. Chains: Who Cuts Corners?08:00 Essential Tools for Mobile Programming & Diagnostics09:11 How Much Does a Well-Equipped Van REALLY Cost?10:49 Why Shops Should Avoid “Hero” Jobs on Exotic Cars13:15 Overconfident Techs (And When Ego Bites Back)14:18 CTI’s Latest: Technician Evaluation & Skills Platform16:17 Closing the Gap: Tech Training You Want Vs. Need19:22 Best Training Tools: Online vs. In-Person21:02 Shop Owners Bringing In-Depth Training to Their Doorstep23:53 Should You Build Up Domestic Programming Skills?24:34 Playground for Technicians: Touring the Research Center25:07 Autel vs. PicoScope Throwdown26:44 Shops Chasing “Hero Work” vs. Profitable Bread & Butter28:18 Building Technician Career Paths—Real Tools for Real Growth30:21 The Real Deal: What Techs Actually Want in Shops32:42 Shop Owner Secrets: Training, Recruiting & Retention34:44 Why the Best Techs Invest In Their Own Training35:37 Networking & Recruiting at Industry Events37:17 Rookie Shop Owners Who Get It Right (And Bring Cocktails)41:47 Short-Form Training – The Secret Techs Actually Use42:39 Why Boring Training Videos Kill Your Shop Culture44:42 Not Reading the Service Info? Big Mistake45:09 ADAS Calibrations, Liability, and Lawsuit Risks47:24 Will Self-Driving Tech Change Everything?52:45 Should We Fear (or Welcome) Our Robot Car Overlords?54:05 Endgame: Cards, Cocktails & Hospitality at the Next Expo

Adapt or Die: Using AI To Take Control Of Your Shop

Every major shift in business creates two kinds of shop owners. The ones who wait until everyone else has already figured it out. And the ones who adapt early, learn the system, and create an advantage long before the rest of the industry catches up....

AutoShop Ministries Episode 3 - From Technician to CEO: Pace, Purpose, and Long-Term Success

Joe Adams and Chaplain Devontae Tidwell discuss why endurance beats speed in leadership and business. Using scripture & practical examples, they explain how steady, sustainable effort builds lasting success. They challenge listeners to slow down, set a sustainable pace, and ask whether today’s choices will still be good eight years from now—emphasizing discipline, patience, and long-term planning.

Selling to the Curb: How AI Turned More Calls into Customers [RR 1099]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode What does it take to build one of the fastest-growing auto repair businesses while leveraging artificial intelligence to improve performance at every level? In this episode, Carm Capriotto welcomes Jesse Jackson, Founder and CEO of Mango Automotive, to discuss how she scaled from zero to eight locations in less than five years. Jesse shares the leadership lessons learned through rapid growth, how custom AI tools are helping improve customer experience and operational consistency, and why she believes it's time to rethink how independent shop owners plan their exit from the industry. What You'll Learn How Mango Automotive expanded from a startup to eight locations through strategic acquisitions.The leadership challenges that come with rapid growth and why building a corporate support team became essential.The three cultural principles that drive employee engagement: never yell, bonus well, and have fun.How AI is being used to measure standard operating procedures and improve accountability.Why analyzing phone conversations with AI helps advisors convert more callers into customers.How providing realistic price ranges over the phone can improve appointment conversion rates.How AI-driven follow-up processes dramatically increased maintenance rebooking rates.Practical ways any shop owner can use tools like ChatGPT or Claude to evaluate service advisor performance without spending hours reviewing phone calls.Why thousands of shop owners approaching retirement may be leaving significant business value on the table.How Jesse's cooperative exit model could help independent shop owners achieve substantially higher business valuations than traditional private equity acquisitions. Artificial intelligence isn't replacing great leadership; it's making great operators even better. Combined with a strong culture, measurable processes, and innovative thinking about business ownership, AI can help repair shops improve customer experience, scale more effectively, and create greater long-term value for both. Jesse Jackson, CEO, Mango Automotive, 8 locations Learn more about NAPA Auto Care and the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collectionsBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto:Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion.https://remarkableresults.biz/Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z:From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life.https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the Numbers: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest.https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcast: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level.https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/The Weekly Blitz: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching.https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/Speak Up! Effective Communication: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills with Craig O'Neill.https://craigoneill.captivate.fm &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

How to Sell Your Auto Repair Shop for Maximum Value [THA 491]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> The auto repair industry is facing a "Silver Tsunami" as thousands of shop owners approach retirement age. The challenge isn't simply selling a business; it's maximizing its value and creating a successful transition that benefits employees, customers, and future owners. In this episode, host Carm Capriotto welcomes shop owner and business coach Aaron Woods and Ryan Bushman, a recent shop owner seller, for a candid discussion on exit planning, business valuation, financial preparation, and the leadership mindset required to build a shop that can thrive without its founder. What You'll Learn Why every shop owner needs an exit strategy, even if retirement feels years away.How to transition from being the daily "hero" of the business to becoming a strategic guide.The key factors that influence shop valuation and why buyer risk impacts sale price.How creating a turnkey operation can significantly increase a business's market value.The importance of clean financial statements and separating personal expenses from business expenses.What "add-backs" are and how they can reveal the true profitability of your shop.Why investments in team development and training may strengthen valuation discussions.How defining your retirement goals helps determine the financial target your business must achieve.The value of coaches, peer groups, and industry-specific advisors during exit planning.Why finding an automotive-savvy accountant should be a priority for owners considering a future sale. The best business exits don't happen by accident. Owners who begin preparing years in advance can reduce buyer risk, increase profitability, strengthen leadership teams, and ultimately maximize their company's value. Whether retirement is five years away or fifteen, the time to start building a business that operates independently of you is now. A successful exit begins with intentional planning, disciplined financial management, and a clear vision for life after ownership. Ryan Bushman, Business Coach, Institute for Automotive Business Excellence Aaron Woods, CEO X-tra Mile Auto Care, Stillwater, OK, Business Coach, Institute for Automotive Business Excellence. Listen to Aaron’s previous episodes HERE Thanks to our Partner, NAPA TRACS NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Today's Class Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ Thanks to our Partner, KUKUI Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. Get industry-leading customer support with KUKUI at https://www.kukui.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:<a...

A.I. Native Auto Hospitality - The Future of Customer-First Auto Repair

Joe Adams interviews Michael Floyd, Chief AI Officer at Auto Hospitality Group, about using generative AI (ChatGPT, Codex, Claude) to automate repetitive shop workflows—like splicing customer videos, transcribing and scoring calls, and connecting Techmetric with accounting tools. They explain how giving context turns AI into a powerful assistant and share concrete wins such as improved booking rates and operational visibility. The episode also discusses back-office risk management, practical starting points for shop owners using out-of-the-box tools, and how the Auto Hospitality Group trains shops to become AI-native to prioritize hospitality and human service.   AutoshopAnswers.com Auto-Shop-Media.com

From $2,600 to $260,000: Key-to-Key Transformations - Bonus Zoom Episode 10

Glenn Piccolo and guests debrief an action-packed weekend in Houston covering Key-to-Key, Courtside and the Back Office Blueprint, sharing emotional success stories of shops that dramatically increased revenue and profit using Todd Hayes’ proven concept. They highlight hands-on VIP Rack Attack days, back-office systems, Todd Math, AI and leadership classes, and practical takeaways—saying “yes” on the phone, daily Take Fives, strong visuals, and consistent implementation—to help shops scale profit and build lasting value.   AutoshopAnswers.com Auto-Shop-Media.com

Dealership or Independent Shop: Which Is Better? | Eric Schoenberger

Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsors.   Need to update your shop systems and software? Try Tekmetric HERESave 15% on your next Launch Tech USA tool with code Launch15. Use that code at checkout HEREIn this episode, Jeff Compton sits down with Kansas technician Eric Schoenberger of Holt Motor Company. Having grown up around Chrysler dealerships alongside his father, a veteran drivability and transmission specialist, Eric shares his experiences in dealer life and why he ultimately transitioned to the independent repair world. The conversation explores flat-rate frustrations, warranty and recall work, shop politics, diagnostic strategies, transmission repairs, evolving technology, and the value of ongoing training. Eric also discusses how independent shops offer less stress, and a different approach to customer service and technician growth.Timestamps: 00:00 Podcast Welcome and Holiday 00:45 Kansas Guest and Vision Talk 01:30 Shop Intro and Dealer Roots 06:03 Family Influence and Career Path 08:12 Flat Rate and Recall Frustrations 17:25 Favorite Dealer Work and Transmissions 23:03 PT Cruiser Love-Hate Jobs 25:35 Diagnostics and Techline Support 27:49 Dealer Life and Shop Politics 32:37 Misfires, Burnt Valves, and Borescopes 36:31 Pentastar Problems and Tips 41:26 Diesel Disasters 44:04 Recall Work Realities 49:21 Hybrid Battery Discussion 52:37 Leaving the Dealer World 55:47 Advisors, DVI, and Communication 01:01:38 Training Great Advisors 01:08:35 Transmission Service Debate 01:14:38 Moving to Independent Shops 01:16:27 Learning Through Service Information 01:18:46 Oddball Repairs and Old Mopars 01:27:05 Caravan Rear A/C Repairs 01:33:05 Training Events and Mentors 01:38:49 Shop Culture and Dispatching 01:40:44 A/C Diagnostics and Leak Testing 01:47:37 Parts Support Challenges 01:54:02 Technician Pay and Flat Rate 01:56:23 Gravy Work vs. Diagnostics 02:02:27 Independent Shop Mindset 02:12:28 Training and Networking 02:20:06 Final Thanks and Wrap Up Follow/Subscribe to the show on social media! TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffcompton7YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheJadedMechanicFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091347564232

EP28: Tenets For A Successful Small Business: With Brent Garrett CEO Of Sirius Plumbing And Heating

Welcome to ShopSoup Podcast  ⁨@SoupRadio247⁩  In this episode, Brent Garrett shares insights from his book '30 Days of a Better Business,' discussing leadership, business growth, and creating a positive company culture. Greg and Brent explore strategies for small business success, team building, and personal development.Keywordssmall business, leadership, business growth, company culture, entrepreneurship, coaching, team building, business strategyKey topicsBusiness growth strategiesLeadership and team developmentCreating a positive company cultureThe importance of vision and mission statementsManaging the messy middle of business growthBuilding trust and employee engagementUsing Maslow's hierarchy for understanding customer and employee needsThe role of coaching and mentorship in businessSound bites"Slow and steady wins the race.""Trust is the foundation of client relationships.""Make lives better for your team, customers, and vendors."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Brent Garrett and His Journey02:31 The Essence of Small Business Ownership05:10 The Narrative of 'Thirty Days of a Better Business'08:00 Mentorship and Learning from Mistakes10:59 The Importance of Client Experience13:45 Building Relationships in Business16:21 The Value of Younger Generations in Business19:15 Navigating the 'Messy Middle' of Business22:24 Vision and Mission Statements in Business24:46 Strategies for Achieving Business Goals29:00 Navigating the Journey: Vision and Mission30:56 Understanding Needs: Maslow's Hierarchy in Leadership35:17 Burnout vs. Fatigue: Supporting Team Members41:01 Building a Positive Culture: The Power of Gratitude48:23 Coaching for Growth: Empowering Small Business Owners51:19 The Road Ahead: Applying Lessons from the BookGet Your Free Copy of Brent's Book30 Days of a Better Business by Brent Garrett - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=30+Days+of+a+Better+Business+Brent+GarrettThe Skilled Trades Coach - https://www.skilledtradescoach.comLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/brentgarrettWebsite - https://www.skilledtradescoach.com

Ep 158: Stop Managing. Start Multiplying Leaders. | Shawn Gilfillan

Key-to-Key-to-Callbacks: How Gary Walker Turned Callbacks into $1.7M - Bonus Zoom Episode 9

Glenn Piccolo sits down with Gary Walker, the "BDC man," to reveal how a perfected callback system and invoice reviews drive consistent appointments, higher tickets, and customer retention for service shops. They discuss building a dedicated call center, using AI to improve accuracy and pre-booking, and real results—over 325,000 calls and $1.7M influenced revenue—showing how shops can control their business and scale profitably.   AutoshopAnswers.com Auto-Shop-Media.com

208 - A Technician Crisis or a Productivity Problem? Ask Me Anything with Cecil and David

208 - A Technician Crisis or a Productivity Problem? Ask Me Anything with Cecil and David June 10, 2026 - 00:55:43 Show Summary: Cecil Bullard and David Roman discuss whether the industry's biggest challenge is finding technicians or improving productivity. They explore why shop owners often keep struggling employees too long and how clear expectations make difficult staffing decisions easier. The conversation highlights the importance of job descriptions accountability and documented processes. They also explain how poor structure lowers shop value and limits growth. The discussion closes with a look at pricing strategies and why shop owners must stop blaming rising costs instead of adjusting their margins.   Host(s): David Roman, Shop Owner Done With Care Auto and Changing the Industry Podcast Cecil Bullard, Founder of The Institute   Show Highlights: [00:01:03] – Letting the wrong employee stay hurts the whole team. [00:05:22] – Every employee impacts the success of many families. [00:08:15] – Winning requires the right people in every role. [00:12:14] – Hire carefully and accountability problems become less common. [00:17:10] – AI makes creating job descriptions easier than ever. [00:20:11] – Structured businesses hold greater value and survive longer. [00:24:03] – Poor productivity and margins cost owners millions. [00:30:32] – Employees need coaching before owners assume resistance. [00:37:46] – New habits require daily follow up and accountability. [00:47:13] – Rising costs require pricing changes not excuses.     In every business journey, there are defining moments or challenges that build resilience and milestones that fuel growth. We’d love to hear about yours! What lessons, breakthroughs, or pivotal experiences have shaped your path in the automotive industry? Share your story with us at info@wearetheinstitute.com, and you might be featured in an upcoming episode.   👉 Unlock the full experience - watch the full webinar on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Xrs_YGYDAic   Don’t miss exclusive insights, expert takeaways, and real talk you won’t hear anywhere else. Hit Subscribe, drop a comment, and share it with someone who needs to hear this!   Links & Resources:  Want to learn more? Click Here Want a complimentary business health report? Click Here See The Institute's events list: Click Here Want access to our online classes? Click Here ________________________________________ Episode Transcript Disclaimer This transcript was generated using artificial intelligence and may contain errors. If you notice any inaccuracies, please contact us at marketing@wearetheinstitute.com.   Episode Transcript:   A Technician Crisis or a Productivity Problem Ask Me Anything with Cecil and David Cecil Bullard: Welcome. My name is Cecil Bullard. Welcome to the Institute Ask Me Anything. Today you get to ask me and David Roman from Changing the Industry podcast, a f- good friend of mine. Hey, David. How are you today? David Roman: This is so professional. I'm not used to this. Cecil Bullard: Oh, come on now. Wait a minute, brother. David Roman: I do the production work on my podcast. Trust me, this is professional. I just slap the stuff up on the internet and say, "Go." Cecil Bullard: There you go. I don't know. I'm a nut, so I'm a- ... I'm a perfectionist and- Yeah ... in fact, my hair is bothering me, right? And David Roman: just cut it all off. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. You'll like it. Just cut it all off. What's what's cooking with you, brother? What's what do you got for us today? I know we got some people that will be asking questions and all of that. And David Roman: you- Yeah. I've got an interesting question I- I'd like your opinion on, and this is a discussion Lucas and I have had in the past. In our minds, you, as you start to scale, you become more disconnected with the business on a personal level, and it becomes a business. I've... and this is specifically with your staff, where when the shop is small and maybe there's three employees, maybe four employees, you're all friends. You kinda hang out, you have lunch together. It's a whole thing, right? But as you start to grow the business and you've gotta start letting people go, the weak links or people that are causing problem or people that have just run their course in the business and they can no longer keep up with what you're demanding or what you need for the business to continue to succeed, you have to start letting people go. And that has and this question came up in the, in, in our Facebook group, where the person was having trouble finding the mindset and the wherewithal to let the person go that needed to be let go. And he just, he's "Man I'm just too c- too connected to the person. I don't know what to do. How do you disconnect that?" And he just, he felt bad, and he knew that when the time came, he wasn't gonna be able to pull the trigger. And I see this Incredibly detrimental to businesses in general. You see too many businesses that you walk into and you immediately identify that person's gotta go. That person is causing all this trouble here. They are binding up production. They're questioning everything you do. They're undermining your authority. They don't allow you to implement anything new because they wanna go immediately back to their old ways, and they wanna kinda hide in the weeds a- and hide in the chaos is what we call it, right? Yeah. There's chaos going on in the shop, and they just wanna hide in the chaos and just kinda cruise and collect their paycheck. And they don't let them go because they're like, "Oh, they've been with me for 15, 20 years. I can't let them go." H- how do you make that mindset shift? What have you seen? What have you seen work at other shops? How do you kinda make that change? And how have you done it within just the institute itself? Cecil Bullard: It's never easy to terminate somebody, especially someone that you may have been working with for a very long time. And there, there needs to be some loyalty to your people, right? Yeah. You can't just like, "Oh, you screwed up, so now you're gone." And I think that in mo- for me, it's been a difficult change. I, I think a lot of people think I'm a pretty cold-hearted SOB, so for me to fire somebody, no big deal. But I always keep people too long. I always have too much hope all of that. For me, I think we talk about a vision for the business. We talk about your vision statement, your mission statement, those kind of things. I think the more you clarify the rules and the roles of the job I would I might sit down with with you, David, and I might say, "What's the org chart looks like? What does this business look like, say, five years from now? What do you want out of your life," right? And you say to me Cecil, here's how that looks." And the organizational chart creates structure, right? Who answers to who. But it also, if you do it right, it can create description, job description. What do I need this person in this role to do, right? And so the more you clarify, the more the people that can't or won't get the job done will stand out, all right? And I think that I have to look at my business differently. So let's say that you and I we're buddies and we're gonna start a shop. And by the way, I'm gonna be the sales guy. You can be the tech 'cause I'm not a tech not now anymore. And I'm still pretty good at selling stuff, so- I David Roman: rebuild car, by the way. It'll be a terrible shop. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. So you don't fix cars either. We're gonna have to hire somebody. But let's say that we do that, right? And so we're best buds, and we go along for a couple of years, and I'm not getting what I need or want out of my life, right? I didn't start the institute to pay the bills, right? If I had started the institute to pay the bills, I would've worked for somebody else, right? Yeah. I started the institute to do something special in the world that I live in and to try to control my future and to create my future, and a future for my family and the families of the people I work with. So we have to start thinking differently, two years from now, we've got three techs, we've got a service advisor and you and I, and I'm not responsible for just Cecil or just Cecil and Dave. Now I'm responsible for, I don't know, 25 people, because everybody that works for me has a family, right? Yeah. And if I allow one person in the company or even two people in the company to hold the company back Then everybody gets penalized. This is a, an ecosystem. When the ecosystem gets screwed up, everybody suffers, okay? And it's one thing for me to say I'm gonna, I'm gonna hold onto David even though he's a pain in the ass, and even though he won't change and even though he costs me money and gives me aggravation because, I've got this loyalty thing and I like David and I'm gonna hold onto him." I can do that when it's just you and me, right? Because I'm only affecting me and my family, right? And I can make that decision. But, at the institute we've got 30, I don't know, 34 employees now and that only counts the institute. That doesn't count other companies that we now have brought into the institute, so we're probably closer to 60 or 70. And those are 60 or 70 families- David Roman: Yeah ... Cecil Bullard: that I have to affect. So if I have somebody in here that's fighting the, whatever, not doing their job correctly. Plus, I've created this structure in the organization, remember, because I don't wanna be the only person that's gonna draw... pull the hammer, right? I think you have to understand that and I think this is one of my, kinda one of my things. I wanna win, right? And in fact, I'm so mentally ill that I will do, l- I don't really wanna win, I just don't wanna lose. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And so I will do almost anything it takes to win. And I have to watch that, because that sometimes can push me over the edge, right? And so I have to control that part- And I have to, for, so for me, if I'm gonna win, I can't have people in the organization that can't or won't do their job- Yeah ... or that are fighting the organization. Think I used this morning with one of my clients. I said think if you were building a, you wanted to win the Super Bowl, and you're building a championship football team, and you had a receiver that couldn't catch." Yeah. Okay? What would you do with that guy? Yeah. Would you keep him on your team 'cause he's a nice guy, and, he always shows up to practice, he's early to practice, and he practices really hard? He just can't catch the ball, right? It's not his fault. He's a nice guy, right? Would you keep him? David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And the answer's no, because y- you could never win the Super Bowl. You won't. And while that might seem harsh, my- personally, I don't believe it's harsh. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: I had a... I took over this company that was failing miserably, and for the first, I don't know, eight, nine months I worked 80 hours a week. I interviewed people. I sold 1.9 million annually at the service counter by myself. I ordered parts. I did a bunch of stuff. And I was away from my family for all that, so my family suffered for that time. And so I hire this guy. We'll call him Mike. A nice guy. Really nice guy. He became my right ar- arm guy. He became the guy that when I decided I'm gonna take Mondays off, he was there Monday. If there was a unhappy customer, he took care of the unhappy customer. And so we're in this thing two and a half, three years, and he's my right arm guy, and he's allowing me to go spend time with my family. Holy smokes. Yeah. And all of a sudden, he is the most sour, rotten guy. "This effing company," and, "This it's the same effing crap every single effing day," and blah, blah, blah, and, "I hate this effing job." And, about two weeks of this, and I pull him in my office and I said, "Dude, I'm gonna terminate you." I said, "It's not that you're not, quote-unquote, doing your job, but you are so unhappy and you're so miserable, you're dragging all of us with you- Yeah ... and our customers with you. And I can't ha- " And I terminated him, right? And about two years later, he... I saw him somewhere and he came up and he said, "I just wanna thank you for firing me." David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And you're like wait a minute," that was a hard thing to do. You were my right arm guy. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And he said, "No, I needed something else." "And I went somewhere else and I found something that made me happy. The Institu- It wasn't the Institute at the time, it was Larry's, but Larry's wasn't making me happy. I couldn't- Yeah ... be happy," right? "And you recognized that, and you did the hard thing and you terminated me." David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: I, I- I think that business, the, what's different between, say, corporate business and, small business- ... right? Little family-run business. We all know each other. Kinda in corporate I probably do, too. The problem with corporate is corporate has a very distinct reason for being there. Yeah. It's about profit, and if you don't make profit- It's well de- David Roman: well defined. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. A- and if you don't make profit, then the investors leave, and you don't have a company. Yeah. It's that easy, right? And so it's very easy, and they also are much more structured. So incorporation, in a corporate, you've got the manual, you've got your, your process manual, you've got the company a man- manual, you've got the safety manual. ... You got your procedures, and if you screw that up and the profits disappear from the company, you're fired. That's it, right? Yeah. There's not... Th- there wouldn't be a manager because if the manager didn't fire you, if your direct manager didn't fire you, the guy above him would. Yeah. And he'd also fire the manager, David Roman: right? Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And so there's no... but we as owners of small businesses, we're much more compassionate, and we put up with it a lot longer. Yeah. I would also say that in a, in corporate, because you know there's consequence and you know that consequence is, it's going to happen, that you're much more likely to handle it sooner rather than later. Sometimes. So what happens... Y- yeah. In small business- Nope ... a lot of times we watch somebody go downhill, and we watch them go downhill, and it's only after we've kinda got the courage up to have the conversation, that could be six months from now- David Roman: Yeah Cecil Bullard: that we have the conversation, and by then we're probably angry, and if we're angry, we're not doing the right things. David Roman: No, we're not rational. Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. David Roman: Yeah. I've seen, I, we just had somebody on the podcast, and the guy i- is doing extremely well. He's just killing it. He's super young, and he's he just blurted out, he's I fire them as fast as I hire them." And I go hold on now. You're just finding more people and you're just cycling through?" He's "Yeah, I just cycle through them until I find the right person." And it goes back to the phrase you hire slow, you fire fast. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. David Roman: But the hiring slow si- sometimes gets glazed over. If you're finding the right people and you're taking the time to find the right people, and then just as you stated earlier, you're putting them into an organization that is well-defined in their role, in the organizational chart, the likelihood that you're gonna have somebody that you're gonna have to fire is going to go way down. I don't fire a lot of people. I haven't had to fire a lot of people, and the ones that I've had to fire is for a reason. But- Cecil Bullard: If you create accountability and- David Roman: Exactly. But that, that- And if you Cecil Bullard: manage ... David Roman: that assumes that you've got well-defined roles, job description- And that's- everybody knows exactly what they're supposed to be doing because at that point you can then hold them accountable and go, "Hey, this is what we do. We do A, B, and C. You're not doing A or B or C, whatever it happens to be. We need to either fix this or you can't be in the organization." Cecil Bullard: And, a- and in what business can you go to work and say to your boss, "No, I'm not gonna do what you asked me"? David Roman: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cecil Bullard: The o- the automotive industry, I'm sure a lot of small businesses, who knows, maybe the local bowling alley the guy that's supposed to be, spraying the disinfectant in the shoes and handing you shoes, maybe he's not doing his job right and nobody is catching it. But in, in- almost any world, if your boss asks you to do... I was when I've had an employee that won't do what I need them to do, and f- and I'm sure that we've discussed it, I'm sure they understand what it is, but they still refuse, I always ask them, "Is it illegal, immoral, or unethical?" And they're like no it's none of those. I just don't wanna do it." Okay. That's called gross insubordination, and that's means for termination. Yeah. That's in your employee manual, right? And if you read your employee manual, you understand that when the boss asks you to do something, if it isn't illegal, immoral, or unethical, then that's what you're supposed to do. I could change your whole job description. I could go, "Hey, David, from now on, you're not gonna be talking to anybody on these dang webinars," blah, blah, blah. If I'm the boss I could do that, and you could be really upset about that, but it's not illegal, it's not immoral, it's not unethical so what? Yeah. And then you have the choice to say, "I don't wanna be in that job anymore," right? I- Yeah. You changed my job to a place where I don't wanna... It's not what I wanna do. Yeah. And that's fine. But because we know people, because we're intimately involved with them, we know their lives. My our top admin person is in Ireland right now getting married, along with most of our admin staff. And and you're like, we know these people. We know their lives. We know their husbands, their wives, their kids. They've been to the barbecue, et cetera. I think the way that I look at it is I owe it to the company and to the people we serve. So I've had the opportunity to change- Probably anywhere from 4 to 10,000 lives for the better- in most cases. I, at least I hope so, right? And if I didn't terminate unhealthy people out of the organization- Yeah ... I would've changed a lot less lives. Yeah. I would've helped a lot less people, right? And so I, I look at it differently, and it still takes me too long, and it's still painful to let someone go. David Roman: Yeah. And th- this brings up another question that somebody had had popped up in, in one of the Facebook groups, and that ha- has to do with job descriptions. And just pertaining to the conversation we were just having, if the, if you're not outlining the job for the person, they will invent something for themselves. Cecil Bullard: Yep. David Roman: And then the minute you ask them to do something that in their mind they've created this job description, "This is what I do," it's okay, since I didn't define it, I guess you defined it for yourself. Now I'm asking you to do something that's not within that purview. You're gonna get upset, and then all of a sudden the the hostility starts because now they're slighted that, "Hey we didn't discuss this. Why are you asking me to do this? That's outside of my job description." I don't have a job description written out for you. You invented it for yourself. But This was somebody that needed a something on paper, and I said, "Look, at the very least, you can always start with technician fix the car." Cecil Bullard: Yeah, fix the car. Just David Roman: start Cecil Bullard: with- It should, frankly, right? David Roman: Yeah. Be- I'm telling you, these shop owners- ... they get in their heads about job descriptions and standard operating procedures, and they just overcomplicate it, and they're like I gotta have this outline, and it's gotta look like corporate," like you were saying, the HR manual, and this, that, and the other. You don't need to have all that. Just start with the very basics. Like- Cecil Bullard: But the funny thing is today, first of all, from the institute, if you want a job description, we got job descriptions. I- if you're a client, certainly you have access to all of that. But I would almost tell you that I have posted job descriptions, all kinds of things online- 50 times, yeah. And it... Right now, if you were to Google or use AI and say, "I need a job description for a technician that does XYZ," and you were to just basically define it, it would come up with a pretty dang decent job description for you. And you can- ... David Roman: adjust from there. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, and then you can make adjustments. It's AI, and a lot of us are afraid of AI in our industry, and a lot of us don't really understand what AI is or, some of us think it's gonna, it's gonna decide to destroy us, Skynet and all of that. It's coming David Roman: up. Cecil Bullard: But you never know. Skynet launching David Roman: the missiles or Cecil Bullard: coming to town. Any minute, right? But I think I don't even have to use AI. I can go online and say, "Can I have a job description for a technician?" And Google's gonna give me five different job descriptions. Yeah. And I can go through and pick and choose the pieces that fit my job descriptions. It is... It's not 25 years ago where you might if you went to Google and said I don't know if Google's 25 years old, it's probably about 25. I had- It's almost there ... an opportunity to buy Google stock way back then, which I did not do otherwise. But- David Roman: We wouldn't Cecil Bullard: be talking right now. But no, we would... Maybe not the same conversation. We'd be on a boat. But yeah. But if I... 25 years ago if I said, "Give me a job description," it would've went "I'm sorry. W- what? Huh?" And probably for the last 10 years, I could've went on and got a job description if I really wanted to get a job description. The other problem we have, I think just as an industry, is that we're so busy Just trying to do the job of keep the cars going through and keep the customer happy, that we forget that we need to organize and structure the business in order to ultimately be successful, right? Yeah. There are so many guys that are my age and older that are having to get out of the business for health issues that they haven't structured their business, so there's no- nothing to sell, right? It's solely based on whether or not you made any money, and if you didn't make enough, then it isn't, it has no value. And it's a real shame to watch guys in their, late 60s, mid sev- to mid-70s when they realize, "I'm gonna have to retire and all I'm really gonna have is the little bit of money I saved and my Social Security, if it exists, and I'm not gonna get, really get anything out of this company that I r- I ran for the last 45 years." David Roman: Or they're delusional and they think that thing's worth a quarter million doll- And it's dude- Cecil Bullard: Yeah, and they're David Roman: never gonna get it ... you're doing $30,000 a month and you're not even profitable. What? Cecil Bullard: Yeah. And they're ne- and they're never gonna get it. I mean- ... and, a-again, the more you st- you know with I know a lot of people are not happy with the thought of venture capital coming in and all that, but they're here. And the more you structure your business, the more you pull yourself out of the day-to-day roles in the business, the more your business becomes worth. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Whether you sell it to venture capital or you sell it to your service advisor or someone else who's looking to build their bench, right? Or their their platform. It's it... The game has changed a lot, unfortunately. I was do- a bunch of statistical data we did last week for this big meeting that we were having I think a 127,000 shops out of about 260 are just gonna close in the next five years. David Roman: Yeah. ' Cecil Bullard: Cause there's no, there's nothing there. There's no value. And there might be another 100,000 that will open and start, yeah. But a bunch of guys are just gonna disappear and fade away because they didn't structure, they didn't You know, build job descriptions and flow charts and, Biggest issue in the industry in my opinion is that we really don't fully understand our business, and therefore we don't really run our business in a financially prosperous way. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. David Roman: Not having those steps outlined... And I, a- about my shop. I'm not- Yeah ... in my shop at all, ever. Yeah. I don't go down. I avoid it. I go to the dumpster once a month and dump stuff out of my house that I need to throw away. And that's it. I just Cecil Bullard: did that this weekend, man. Dumpster's full. David Roman: Yeah. And but the reason why that's been possible, and it- not that I'm maximizing profitability or to the nth degree and tweaking this, that, and the other, but we at least got the blocking tackling down. Yeah. A- and it's automated to the, to a certain point that the manager can talk to anybody that they bring in and say, "This is where we hang the keys. This is where the car goes. This is where we hang the keys for the next car." "This is how we estimate." "This is how we dispatch the work." "This is how we price." "This is how we do the estimate." Yeah. Yeah. "This is how we..." Everything's automated on the shop management side. Y- so just whatever the price is, that's the price. This is how we outline the repairs. Everything is just set up in a specific fashion that it can be tra- it's trainable. They can go onto somebody else brand new... And I brought in two people in the last six months, a tech and somebody to help up front so I don't have to be there at all. And they have, they've been able to get trained on the processes where w- I just had a conversation with somebody, and they were saying that they had brought in this tech. This guy is just hurting for techs, just dying to get techs. Finally gets somebody to bite, and he's probably throwing huge money out there because he finally, he got somebody- I know. Yeah ... and they actually moved their box into the shop. So the money was there. Within two hours, the guy was gone. Two hours, Zola, it took for the guy go, "This isn't gonna work. I gotta go." " Cecil Bullard: I can't make this work." David Roman: Yeah. Yeah. And I guarantee he walked in and he's he was just handed a clipboard, and he's "Hey, fix that car." And he's li- looking at the clipboard, and there's some scribbles on it, and it, there's no process. Where do the keys go? Where are my parts? What work needs to be done? How many hours am I getting paid for? Like, all of these very basic things that need to be outlined haven't been outlined, and the, they're, everybody's just kinda shooting from the hip. 25 years later, they're trying to get rid of the business, and they're like What do you want me to sell here? There's nothing to sell. There's no processes, there's nothing. You're in the business every single day shooting from the hip. Yeah, you can't- You remove yourself from the business, like what do you do? Cecil Bullard: And you're also costing yourself, probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars over the 40 years that you run the business. Absolutely. Because you're not maximizing, your business. I had a new client it actually wasn't one of my clients, but I often am involved in new client meetings with some of our coaches and- so we have a new client come on board, and their parts margin's off by 14%. And you're like, "Oh, that's 50 grand," right? And then you look at their productivity's at about 55%. And you're like, "Oh, there's 200,000." And so think about that. If you can clean up your margins and your productivity and, put another, say, $200,000 a year into your profit, at over 40 years let's say you s- you saved f- 25% of that. You put 25 grand away every year for 40 years, what would you have, right? Yeah. It's... I- you'd have what, $10 million? Yeah ... maybe 20 because of the interest stuff. A- and so you're not just creating frustration for the people around you, you're not just reducing value in, say, your business, but you're potentially costing your family millions of dollars worth of revenue that you could have just even if you just ran your business smartly and saved a little bit on the- Yeah on the way. And it's unfortunate to see that because those are the same guys. We do a lot of I don't know, we do a lot of... I don't call it marketing, but we do a lot of meetings and stuff. And so we bring in people, we do this leadership intensive meeting, and we bring in shop owners. And a shop owner'll come in and he'll bring his two or three kids in. So we've got a, a 25-year-old a 23-year-old, and a 19-year-old, and they're all there, and they wanna have nothing to do with Dad's business. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Nothing. They don't wanna be involved because they watched their dad work 80 hours a week and struggle to pay the bills and all of a sudden- Stressed out David Roman: of his mind. Cecil Bullard: Yeah ... yeah, and all of a sudden, they're now at an age where they could participate and Dad would maybe like them to participate, but they're not interested at all. Because they don't see any future for themselves in it. We didn't show them a future 'cause we didn't even create a future for ourselves. And to me, that's- that's kinda a l- that's a little criminal. So i- it would go back to, Cecil, how do you terminate somebody that's been with you for seven years that, has-- When you started the business, they were an essential part, and they've kinda worked themselves out of that, their attitude or even what they do, or they haven't kept up on their education or whatever. How do you terminate? Because 15 years from now when my kids are 25, 30, I want them in the business with me. I don't want them, I don't want them going out to do something else with somebody else. Yeah. One of the greatest joys of my life today is being able to work with one of my children, day to day. Yeah. And my second greatest joy is having all of my family near me and having good relationships with all of my family. Yesterday- Yeah ... it was it was my birthday. Don't, please don't do anything or don't send me any more happy birthdays. But- But I was able to have my family with me. And just have a, a nice evening. And the f- the cool thing is the dad is to sit back and watch the kids interact with each other and have good interactions, right? Of they tease each other, give each other crap, but it's all in fun. And, that's... A- and part of that's because I didn't... 'Cause when I was home, I tried to be home 'cause I wanted to have those relationships, and when I was at work, I tried to be at work because I knew that I needed, when I'm at work, I need to be at work so that I can have the home time that I need, right? David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Whoever might be listening to us, if you do have questions, we certainly would be more than happy if you'll put them in the comments to answer any of those questions. So- It's gotta be a David Roman: good question, otherwise I won't ask it. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, crappy question, we're not gonna- David Roman: Crappy questions are Cecil Bullard: ignored. No. No crappy quest- So how do you fire somebody? How do you actually terminate somebody? That might be, a good question. Yeah. First of all, you do not go into long, lengthy explanations about what they didn't do right. You're just opening yourself up for argument, pain, and I always just tell people, we've made a decision. We're going to be letting you go." Yeah. That's it. Yeah. And and, Now if, David Roman: In my state, if you don't have good documentation- Yeah ... it turns into now you're fighting them for unemployment benefits and this, that, and the other. In every state. Yeah. And th- and this is... if the person needs to just go, they just need to go and just pay up. It's whatever. Yeah, I don't care about unemployment. Cecil Bullard: And David Roman: we're having that Cecil Bullard: assist-- Yeah. I never cared about unemployment and I never used- David Roman: They raked me over the coals- I used that- in Kansas, let me tell you. Yeah. I never used that- If somebody actually dips into it. Cecil Bullard: Yeah, I never used that as a decision about hiring or terminating. If I need to terminate you and I end up paying unemployment, it's part of the game. Yeah. David Roman: But I will say that if you specifically have a job description You've got something outlined and they are violating whatever it is that you've got in writing with their- Yeah signature acknowledgement that they know that this is what's there, and you know that, hey, this is now going down this path. And it really for me, it's ... I'm looking at it two or three steps down. If I can sit down and coach this person and have conversation and go, "Hey, you're not doing this. I need you to pivot," then I'm gonna have that conversation, and it's not gonna get written down. However, if I see them going down this path that, hey, this is not salvageable, I need to let this person go, the first violation is a write-up. Got you. "Hey, you didn't do this. Here's your write-up." Usually they go on their own, but if they don't, it's just three write-ups and then boom, they're gone. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. David Roman: And- And then that's it. And then the minute- But- ... that the state sends me that letter- Yeah ... here's the write-ups. Boom boom. There you go. Fax it over. Done. Cecil Bullard: And, and- David Roman: I'm not paying squat. And Cecil Bullard: so I wanna make it real clear for anyone that's listening, you need to understand your state's HR laws because- Yeah. ... You need a, an HR professional in your state because each state has different rules about that. Yeah. And in Calif- I know California and Utah really well 'cause I've run businesses in both. I actually know New Jersey now pretty well. W- that's another long story- ... which we won't get into but I'll also tell you I'll never have an employee from New Jersey again. The rules are just too complicated. In California, I have to write you up three times for the same thing. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And I have to put deadlines in your write-ups I need, in two weeks I need improvement here, and this is the improvement I need to see, so that it's not ambiguous. Yeah. And you can't be ambiguous. It'll get you in trouble. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: It looks like we have a question- We have a David Roman: question, yeah, Cecil Bullard: from Adam ... that someone's gonna ask there. David Roman: Says, "I'm interested to know if you have a limit to explaining a procedure to an employee. I've had to tell one of my advisors to go over inspections at pickup, and he keeps m- he keeps missing it. What should I do?" Cecil Bullard: I... For me I have a rule, and my rule is when I determine that there is no more hope, I terminate the employee. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: So I don't I don't have somebody and I don't have a three times. Okay, I'm gonna explain it three times, and if you don't get it in three times you're done. I don't have that rule. As long as I, I believe that you can get it if I help you or someone else helps you, then I'm gonna keep you and keep working with you. David Roman: Yep. Cecil Bullard: Usually for me, maybe the fifth time is the time where I go, "They're just never gonna get it." The minute, the second I go, "They're never gonna get it," I terminate. I'm... And I don't keep people on because I've watched time and time again where someone said I'll fire him on Friday or next week," and they hurt their back or they- Yeah. Oh, yeah ... they tore their shoulder or they- ... dropped the wheel on their foot and broke their foot or- Yeah ... it just happens. This thing happens. And all of a sudden I've got an employee for life, or at least for the next year- ... that that I'm gonna end up paying for who I knew couldn't and wouldn't do the job. When you- Yeah There is a point and I gotta tell you, being the, like the director I am the direct guy, like I'm gonna sit down with somebody and say, "I've explained this to you four times and you're still not doing it. Why aren't you doing it?" David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Because it's almost never, "I don't understand it. I don't know how to do it." It's either you didn't- If it is David Roman: a competency thing- Yeah ... what were you doing during the interview process that you couldn't identify that this person- That I- ... can't read or write? Cecil Bullard: Can't... Yeah. . Yeah. Did you have them? I have them write out a paragraph and, and- ... on their own. Like the wife can't do it or the husband can't do it for the wife. Yeah. And like you have to write a paragraph on your own and what was your interview process like? You may have somebody that i- in most cases, I would tell you it's probably somebody that has... It's like the, "I don't wanna do it." David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: The... I had an employee that I decided we were gonna announce sales over the intercom. "Hey, Bob, we sold all the work on that blue Honda. It's due Wednesday at 5:00." And so I brought two of my employees in, and both great employees, and I said "Here's what we're gonna do, and what do you guys think about that?" And they were all like, "Yeah, okay, fine." So you want us to do it, we'll do it," right? And so I watched, and my one guy did, the other guy didn't. And I brought the other guy in five, five weeks and I said, in, in five days, and I said, "Hey, remember that conversation we had five days ago about announcing things?" "Oh, yeah." I said I've watched. You haven't announced anything. What's up?" "Oh, it's stupid." Yeah. "Oh, okay. That's fair. It's okay." I said "What part of it is illegal, immoral, or uneth- unethical?" And he went none of it." I said, "Okay, so now you're putting me in a weird position because I'm your boss. I've asked you to do something that's not illegal, immoral, or unethical, and you're telling me no or you're just not gonna do it. So you're being passive-aggressive. You told me you would, but now you're not." Yeah. "That's passive-aggre- can't have passive-aggressive people in the company," blah, blah, blah. Okay, I'll do it," right? And he goes out and I watch another week and he doesn't announce anything. So I went to our HR cabinet, I got out a resignation form, I filled it out for him, gross insubordination. Brought him in my office. I said, "Remember the meeting we had five days ago about the meeting we had five days prior about announcing things?" "Yeah." I said, "You're still not announcing things." He goes, "Yeah, I know. It's stupid." I said, "Okay, that's fine. I just need you to sign this-" David Roman: Yeah . "... Cecil Bullard: and and we'll be walking you out of the building." And he went I don't wanna quit my job." I said you already have." Yeah. "You're not doing what I asked you to do." And so what are you telling all the other employees that I have, right? What are you telling everybody else? You David Roman: can pick and choose what you wanna do. Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. See, whatever Cecil says doesn't matter. Yeah. I can't have that, right? It's it's no way to run a successful company. David Roman: Here's a follow-up to this. Is this one of those things in California where you need to have multiple write-ups before you're able to fire them? Three, I can just check our HR laws, as you said as well, good old California. Yeah, so- Cecil Bullard: Yeah ... David Roman: check your HR laws. Be very specific about what it is. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. David Roman: Consult an attorney. Cecil Bullard: But David Roman: if you have- I have one of Cecil Bullard: those- If you have an employee manual and they're doing gross insubordination, let's say that you had a, I don't know, you had a cell phone policy that was like, "No cell phones while you're working on cars." That's a safety issue. If someone violates that in certain states, I believe California, that's gross insubordination. That is terms for immediate dismissal if it's spelled out that way in your employee manual, and I don't have- It's a safety concern ... to go through all the BS, right? Yeah. There are things that wouldn't fall under that, and you just have to, you have to look in your state, Yeah ... and have... I really recommend, and we don't understand as shop owners what our liability is. We work on... I got a I was talking to these new clients, and they're basically a general repair shop, but they're like we got our Toyota, Honda price. If we're working on a Maserati, should our price be different?" I said, "You're working on Maserati?" I said- Oh my God, right? The problem is if one of my guys backs a Toyota into the rack, it's gonna cost me a couple of grand. One of the guys backs a Maserati into the rack, it's gonna cost me $40,000 to fix it, right? Yeah. And we don't understand the liability that we create for ourselves sometimes in this business. And so I recommend that everybody, whatever state you're in, that you have an HR professional in that state that can give you the proper advice so you don't get yourself in trouble because- And a David Roman: lot of times, like my insurance company will provide- Yeah some assistance- Yeah ... with like manuals and things like that so you don't get yourself in trouble, because they're trying to limit their liability risks a- as well. And also- Cecil Bullard: Assuming that you have that kind of insurance, and everybody should. David Roman: Yeah, every, yeah. If your insurance company isn't offering that, you need to question whether you have the correct insurance company or if you have enough insurance coverage. Cecil Bullard: Yeah. David Roman: That's an issue as well. But specifically dealing with this employee you need to find out whether this is a competency thing or a compliance thing. If it's just that they don't wanna do it because they're uncomfortable, that's probably what it is. They're just uncomfortable bringing it up. Okay, that's a training opportunity, and you need to think back, "Why did I even hire this person, or why do I have th- what value do they bring to the table?" And if the value is more than what you're paying them, obviously, then it's a net benefit to the company, but you need to try to keep them and go, "Okay, let me give you the verbiage, and then you change it up to whatever best fits you, but this is the verbiage you should be using in order to bring the thing up," because maybe they're uncomfortable bringing the inspection up at after or at pickup. If it's just "No, I think it's dumb," then like you're saying, at this point, it's okay now we have a problem. Cecil Bullard: You're also, there's a question of habit. So my habit is to say, "Thank you very much," hand them their keys after I took their money, and now I, now my boss wants me to add this referral process, okay? And I'm not thinking that. For the last five years, I've just handed them the keys and said thank you, right? And so when y- whenever you're gonna introduce a new habit into your mix, a new thing, you need 60 days, and you need 60 days of daily QC, quality control. Yeah. You have to... You literally have to look- Over the employee's shoulder, make sure that they're doing it. And usually you're in 30, 35 days if you've got good QC. You've created the new habit, and now it's the norm and not- Yeah ... the old thing. Often you have an employee that you have asked to do things, but they don't exactly understand how to do it. And you have not really shown them how to do it. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: And so therefore they don't know how to do it, and then they don't do it, and you go, "Why won't you do it?" And so I just wanna make sure that I'm... My wife tells me I'm a horrible communicator. I'm always... It's no, that's not what you said." I went to pick her up this weekend and I, I texted her, I, "I'm gonna be there at 2:30," and the night before we talked and then I said, "Somewhere between 2:00 and 3:00. We'll text tomorrow and we'll figure out, and I'll come get you." And so at about 2:10 I text her, "Hey, I'm gonna be there at 2:30." And she goes I'm already outside." And so I'm a terrible communicator. I don't communicate clearly, obviously, right? And so my assumption when I have someone that doesn't do what we've talked about, that I didn't communicate it well enough. And then my assumption the second time is that they don't really understand it, they don't really know how to do it, 'cause if they did, they'd probably be doing it. Yeah. And so I'm gonna go through that two, three, four times to make sure that I've taught them properly, that they actually know how to do it. I'm gonna sign them off on it, because I'm gonna watch them do it- Yeah ... the way it needs to be done. And then if they still won't do it past then I have a compliance problem, not a competence problem. David Roman: Yeah. And I think we fall into a trap ourselves where we communicate the way we would want it communicated to us, and these are completely different people. I'm a five percenter, like I... And I'm a high D. Like just tell me what the- Yeah, how much, how many people are like you and me, right? Exactly. Tell me- Cecil Bullard: There are like David Roman: five of them ... what the end goal is. What is it that you wanted to accomplish? And I'll make it happen. Yeah. I don't need the steps, I don't need you- Yeah ... to break it down. But most people aren't like that. And I had a manager that I worked under for years, and he used to tell me, "Break it down into the ridiculous." For some of these people, you need to break it down into the ridiculous, because if you don't- Pretend I'm a Cecil Bullard: third grader. David Roman: Y- yeah, if you don't do that, you're not gonna get the outcome that you want. You have a very specific outcome that you want accomplished, and these people just don't know the steps. They can't make the steps up themselves, or they're afraid to because they don't wanna mess up, so they just don't do anything. They freeze, right? So break it down to the ridiculous, step by step. Step one, do this. Step two, step this. And if you do that, then you will ensure the outcome that you want. And that might be all that's happening here is this person just needs to Give the person the verbiage, and then like you're saying, 60 days of, "I'm behi-" If you actually want it to happen, don't assume that the other, the, this advisor's gonna work like the other one. The other one was obviously was just like, "Hey, make this happen." Made it happen. But this one is not gonna be like that. It's gonna be, "I'm gonna stand behind you. We're gonna maybe step through this. What do you say next? Hand it, hand them the inspection," whatever the process happens to be. But you have to go step by step, and it's gonna be a little bit of work for you which I've tried to avoid. That's why I have a manager. Just give it to the manager- Yeah ... and go, "Hey, make this happen." Cecil Bullard: Make this happen, right? Yeah. I wanna make sure that every person that leaves has gone through the referral process and been asked for referrals, and scheduled for their next appointment. And I, it blows my mind because I just have these owners who tell me we can't, I can't get my people to do it. I can't I can't get..." And I'm like, "you... Yes, you can. I've seen it happen. It does work." Yeah. It's not impossible. David Roman: Yeah. " Cecil Bullard: Oh, no, this is impossible," "people won't schedule an appointment." Oh, if you ask them, if you tell them, they will, believe it or not, 'cause I've done it. And yeah I think that in most cases that we make a lot of assumptions, and we don't break it down into the pieces. And when we, whenever we make assumptions, we get ourselves in trouble, David Roman: right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cecil Bullard: Absolutely. Absolutely. We still have about 10 minutes here. Yeah, if, so if anyone's online and they wanna ask a question you got me and David both here. If not, David, what what other questions have come up on the podcast recently? David Roman: They we've had one that, that has been setting me off. And this isn't... Now this has come up in the Facebook group, but then I've seen this in other industries, and it's been about parts pricing. So there's a bunch of stuff going on in the Middle East, this, that, and the other, and there are announcements coming out saying that, "Hey, the price of synthetic oil is going to skyrocket because it's just not gonna be available." It Cecil Bullard: has. Yeah. David Roman: The... Yeah. And so everybody's freaking out, going what are you gonna do?" And then I just saw a story the other day about a, i've seen two. We had a barbecue place here in Kansas City shut down, and the guy didn't blame his marketing. The guy didn't say, "Hey, my marketing sucks. I have great barbecue but nobody shows up at my door because I'm not telling anybody about it, and I'm in a terrible location, and it's really hard to get into my building," and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. None of those things. What did he blame? The price of beef. He said, "Man these beef prices are just out of control, and my margins are just getting tighter and tighter," and this, that, and the other. And then I saw another place in Texas, same line. "Oh, these beef prices are just out of control," this, that. And apparently, the beef prices wholesale haven't changed in the last two to three years. They're the exact same. They haven't gone up. They went up, but it was, like, two or three years ago they spiked, and then they've just been flat. And so these pla- these places and these shop owners are freaking out about cost of goods sold. Cost of goods sold are irrelevant to me because I just mark it up and sell it. That- I'm not paying for it. I've- My customer pays for it. I just mark it up- I've had- ... and sell it. Cecil Bullard: I've had- The David Roman: price is what I... It is what it is. Cecil Bullard: I've had people tell me recently, I don't know how to charge for oil because the price of oil has gone up so drama- three times what it was. And I'm like- It's okay ... how were you charging before, right? We were using a matrix or we had a lower price, right? You might have a lower price in. And all of a sudden they don't know how to price oil. If it costs me a dollar and I'm selling it for three if it costs me $3, I'm probably gonna sell it for nine. Yeah. It's not hard. To me, it's not hard at all. But I'm... I don't wanna close my doors because the price of beef went up. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Okay? I went over to McDonald's yesterday. I don't ever eat at McDonald's, but I got a dollar cheeseburger. I think it was, like, a buck 89. I was... Wait a minute. That's on the do- that's a dollar... it's a buck 89. Get a dollar- Yeah. It, the- ... dollar things aren't anymore. Dollar- The price of beef went up. McDonald's raised their prices. Holy crap. Are we really not smart enough? We're buying groceries. We're buy- we're getting gas. I went and got gas. It was $4.63. And do you think the people that sell us gas haven't raised their prices because the price of oil has gone up? Yeah. I mean- David Roman: It's the craziest mindset. I have no idea where these people are, like... are you nuts? It's... I can understand- He- ... the a bottom-of-the-line expense. "Hey, my insurance tripled. Okay, I'm gonna have to raise my prices because I need this percentage on my P&L to stay about the same, so this is gonna cost more up the top here." But a cost of goods sold? Like- Cecil Bullard: Yeah ... David Roman: the pri- whatever I buy it for, you just mark it up and you sell it. So whatever the price comes in at, it's like- Cecil Bullard: Who David Roman: cares? I'm sorry. And then if the customer says anything, you just, you blame something in the Middle East. You blame Saudi Ara- Cecil Bullard: You blame Iran. Yeah. You blame Trump. You, you- David Roman: Yeah. Just blame something that- I'm sorry ... you have no control over ... it had nothing to do with it ... because you don't. Yeah. I don't have any control of what they sell it to me for. Yeah. And neither do they because I still have to make my margins on it. So yeah, you don't blame the beef price. And what's insane is the, this guy in Kansas City that had to close his barbecue place The minute he got featured in In- he was on Instagram as one of those small business... He cleans windows, but he features these small businesses when he close, when he goes to clean their windows, and he wears the AI glasses, and he does this whole thing. It's a nice, it's a nice channel. It's all Kansas City businesses. The minute he was featured on this massive Instagram channel, he sold out of food every day for, from that point on until he closed his doors. For the next two weeks, he was... By 6:00, he was completely- So what if he raised his Cecil Bullard: price like $2 a pound or whatever? David Roman: If he had just raised his prices- Cecil Bullard: He'd still David Roman: be in business, right? Or he- Yeah ... I'm like, he didn't go, "Hey, if I just had better marketing. If I just had be- Yeah ... because these people found me, they'll probably come back." And it's w- it's insane to me. And he doesn't go "Hey, just a mile down the road is a barbecue place with a line out the door." Cecil Bullard: Yeah. " David Roman: They're paying the same price I'm paying for the beef. So you're done. You can't tell me these shops that are making three, four, five million, these shops that are expanding, they're hiring people, they're paying the same price as you for this oil. What are they doing?" Oh, they're marking it up. They're marking it up. Something, man. Yeah, they're marking Cecil Bullard: it up David Roman: because we're not nuts. Who the hell cares what you're buying it for? Yeah. You gotta... These... We gotta get out of this mindset. I have no idea. Cogs Cecil Bullard: of special- That's, it's the $29.99 oil change mindset. It's the, I have to have this loss leader that, that puts me out of business that gets people in my shop. And it makes me mad. I won't mention names, but we keep this myth alive because it gets us hits. David Roman: Yeah. Cecil Bullard: Because it gets us attention, right? I'm sorry. It's putting shops out of business. It's putting families at risk. It's... y- Your customers will pay what they believe there's value in, and they will not fight or argue about it. You and I both know that. Probably most of the people that li- will listen to this already know that. So if the oil price goes up, the price of the oil service goes up. It, i- it's what it is. If they raise coolant prices... I remember when you could buy coolant for two bucks a gallon. You're sure as hell not buying it for two bucks a gallon now. We used to sell it for six. Yeah. And and now, I don't know, 20 bucks a gallon or something. And so I'm not selling it for six. David Roman: It's oil right now. Yeah. But I'm just... it's... But two or three years ago it was freaking, Cecil Bullard: we David Roman: went through the- ... R1234yf. Yeah, we went through the whole- "What's everybody doing about 1234yf? I just don't understand. Blah, blah, blah." It's dude what Cecil Bullard: are you talking David Roman: about? Freon. Cecil Bullard: Freon back in the day. Just... Freon. Yeah, it just... Yeah. I... We were selling Freon for two bucks a pound when it was R12, and within three months it was $60 a pound. It, 'cause our cost went up dramatically and so the customer paid 60 bucks a pound. David Roman: And we're- And not only that the machines, the 1234yf machines- Yeah ... are so incredibly slow. Yeah. So it takes three times the amount of time that the old- They used to- ... 134a systems, you used to hit a couple buttons and it would zap through the service and then you're in and out. Where this one takes so much longer. So yeah, guess what? My refrigerant service, if you've got 1234yf and I have a specific line- Costs more money ... that we run performance testing, it's triple the price of the standard w- 134a system. And when they ask, you go, "Why is it so much?" It's 'cause you have 1234yf. You have the new refrigerant. Every car is gonna have the new refrigerant now. Yeah. So guess what? Every car is gonna have to be dealing with this. And I just wanna point this out. Lance makes a comment emotional discounting. The customer will walk in with a $10 Starbucks coffee. It... They will co- come in and complain about your price with their $10 Starbucks coffee. It's it's even worse than that, and I was telling this to Lucas. Da- DoorDash just reported profit reve- or record revenue- ... and profitability. DoorDash. They'll Cecil Bullard: pay for DoorDash. They'll pay $18 to get David Roman: a hamburger delivered. $18 for that $1.89 hamburger. To get that hamburger delivered to their- $18 because they want it at their door. While they're complaining about auto repair But then they complain about my $80 oil change. Yeah. No, no thanks. Get out of here. Cecil Bullard: No, thanks. David Roman: Nah. Just, just- People got money is all I'm saying ... and- People got money. You just gotta- And if the s- ... charge what you gotta charge. Yeah. Don't worry about it. And if we- They'll find a way to pay for it ... Cecil Bullard: if we at shops understood what our value is and what our liability is, we'd be charging more than we're charging now. Yeah. Yeah. Which is not... we don't have time for that discussion. In fact, we're gonna have to wrap it up. I guess we're getting to the end of this. Yeah. And we have important lives and other things to do. We'll have another one of these coming up in a few weeks. And David, thank you very much for being here, and thanks for your- Great conversation. I appreciate it ... questions and comments. Yeah. And you know I love you, brother, so- Yeah. You too ... take care, all right? David Roman: All right.

From Tech to Service Advisor: Training, & Shop Leadership with Cody Kirkessner

Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsors.Need to update your shop systems and software? Try Tekmetric HERESave 15% on your next Launch Tech USA tool with code Launch15. Use that code at checkout HERERecorded at Tools in Hershey, PA, Jeff Compton features Cody Kirkenester of Fadely’s Auto Masters. After 15 years as a technician and shop foreman, Cody transitioned into the service advisor and shop manager role. He shares his journey into the automotive industry, the training culture that helped shape his career, and a memorable diagnostic breakthrough using a lab scope. Cody also discusses mentoring technicians, managing customer relationships, parts quality challenges, AI in the shop, and one of his fears.Timestamps 00:00 Meet Cody Kirkenester 00:56 From Tech to Advisor 02:27 Early Car Obsession 04:25 School and First Shops 07:40 Joining Faidley’s Auto 08:33 Training Culture 12:31 Diagnostic Breakthrough 15:08 Corvettes and Specialty Cars 20:16 Team Development and Mentoring 28:09 Moving Into Management 38:45 Challenges of Being a Service Advisor 47:51 Parts Quality Issues 51:43 Recruiting Young Talent 55:55 Scopes and AI Tools 58:44 Succession Planning 01:01:20 Legacy and Leadership 01:07:41 Wrap Up and Next Steps Follow/Subscribe to the show on social media! TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffcompton7YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheJadedMechanicFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091347564232

Episode 271 - Training New Technicians and Building a Lasting Automotive Business With Charles Mitchell

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, listeners hear the story of a small-shop owner’s journey to purchase and grow TenPin Motors in Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin. The conversation focused on the challenges of transitioning from technician to owner, including finding and training quality staff. A key theme that emerged was the importance of building lasting customer relationships and delivering a superior client experience to stand out in a competitive market. The discussion also explored the realities and concerns of scaling to multiple locations, highlighting industry trends toward consolidation and the difficulty of maintaining quality and culture as shops grow.00:00 Buying the dealership08:21 Discussing small town expansion plans14:49 Transitioning from technician to business management16:35 Realizing the need to plan22:32 Creating a welcoming atmosphere27:13 Adjusting Services After Technician Left35:03 Focusing on customer care in auto shops40:14 Upgrading marketing and customer service45:41 Increasing Profit While Managing Costs49:17 Planning Future Business Growth53:24 Concerns about expanding quality01:00:47 Fostering positive industry growth

Why Most Shop Owners Never Become Millionaires

Todd Hayes and Glenn Piccolo debrief a powerful weekend of training—covering Courtside, Key2Key's first Vegas event—sharing how auto hospitality, take-fives, and relentless phone skills drove record weekends and consistent growth. They discuss practical strategies for opening weekends, improving close rates, recruiting top techs, using AI and video tools, and preparing for private equity to scale service businesses. https://youtu.be/3Ob32qawL5Y autoshopanswers.com auto-shop-media.com

Why Repair Shops are Toxic and Why Technicians Deserve More with Greg Hilliard

Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsorsNeed to update your shop systems and software? Try Tekmetric HERESave 15% on your next Launch Tech USA tool with code Launch15. Use that code at checkout HEREIn this episode, Jeff Compton and Greg Hilliard talk about Greg's career spent in dealerships, independent shops, and finally as a one-man owner-operator. Greg pulls no punches about toxic shop dynamics, the true value of a technician’s labor, and the personal costs of striking out on your own. He and Jeff discuss compensation, mental health struggles in the industry, how digital tools like chat GPT are already impacting repair businesses, and why demanding respect is not negotiable for survival.Timestamps: 00:00 Feeling valued in engineering role05:56 Becoming the technical expert11:52 Buying a used truck at Ford19:49 Fixing stubborn cab issues24:57 Avoiding the boss at work27:52 Discussing fair compensation concerns35:41 Struggles with retaining mechanics41:08 Streamlining dental office visits43:47 Using technology for car repairs52:54 Struggling to hire a technician57:37 Choosing entrepreneurship over traditional jobs59:35 Getting advice from Larry Grogan01:07:17 Addressing workplace culture issues01:09:20 Electrician shortage and industry pride Follow/Subscribe to the show on social media! TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffcompton7YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheJadedMechanicFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091347564232

Failing at Retirement: Building Eight Shops in Eight Years [THA 486]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto R6Vx5W_threadScrollVars scroll-mb-[calc(var(--scroll-root-safe-area-inset-bottom,0px)+var(--thread-response-height))] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8a36a74e-94b9-45d2-82f2-3a0e09cdfefe-1" data-turn-id-container="request-WEB:8a36a74e-94b9-45d2-82f2-3a0e09cdfefe-1" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> Carm Capriotto talks with Matt Curry and Judy Curry of Craftsman's Auto Care about building one of the automotive industry’s most respected multi-shop operations twice. After growing Curry’s Auto Service to 10 locations and retiring in 2013, the Currys returned to the industry with a new vision, launching eight Craftsman’s Auto Care locations in eight years. Matt shares his role as the visionary leader driving momentum and ideas, while Judy explains how operational discipline, marketing, and customer experience keep the business grounded and scalable. The conversation explores their “5 Ps” philosophy: People, Policies, Processes, Procedures, and Profits, along with their commitment to employee development, strong culture, customer transparency, and community involvement. The Currys also discuss how Digital Vehicle Inspections and an intentional customer experience helped them earn nearly 10,000 five-star Google reviews. What You’ll Learn How Matt and Judy Curry scaled multiple successful shop operationsWhy leadership balance and “staying in your lane” mattersThe “5 Ps” framework for building a strong shop cultureHow employee investment drives long-term successWhy transparency and DVIs build customer trustHow culture and customer experience fuel growth and retention Sustainable growth in automotive repair comes from more than technical expertise. It requires intentional leadership, strong systems, a healthy culture, and a commitment to both employees and customers. Matt and Judy Curry, Craftsman Auto Care, 8 locations, Virginia Thanks to our Partner, NAPA TRACS NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Today's Class Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ Thanks to our Partner, KUKUI Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. Get industry-leading customer support with KUKUI at https://www.kukui.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: ...

Episode 269 - Lessons Learned From Custom Car Builds and Business Ownership With Sunny Massera

Don't get to the end of this year wishing you had taken action to change your business and your life.Click here to schedule a free discovery call for your business: https://geni.us/IFORABEDon't miss an upcoming event with The Institute: https://geni.us/InstituteEvents2026Shop-Ware gives you the tools to provide your shop with everything needed to become optimally profitable.Click here to schedule a free demo: https://info.shop-ware.com/profitabilityTransform your shop's marketing with the best in the automotive industry, Shop Marketing Pros!Get a free audit of your shop's current marketing by clicking here: https://geni.us/ShopMarketingProsShop owners, are you ready to simplify your business operations? Meet 360 Payments, your one-stop solution for effortless payment processing.Imagine this—no more juggling receipts, staplers, or endless paperwork. With 360 Payments, you get everything integrated into a single, sleek digital platform.Simplify payments. Streamline operations. Check out 360payments.com today!In this episode, Lucas Underwood and David Roman are joined by Sunny Massera, a custom car and truck builder from Oregon. Sunny Massera shares the hard lessons he learned from business ownership, including the importance of choosing the right business partner and the unexpected realities of running a shop versus working for someone else. The conversation also covers the challenges of building custom and performance vehicles—from managing customer expectations to dealing with unreliable aftermarket parts.00:00 Moving between New Mexico and California04:19 From flat rate to custom cars07:30 Realizing business complexities09:46 Deciding not to work alone13:05 Getting hired at second Bronco shop16:22 Discussing how to fund a startup20:36 Partner's role in business growth23:18 Revamping old Broncos28:11 Understanding the engine issue31:14 Working at custom car shops33:21 Learning through hands-on projects36:45 Test driving vehicles before ordering40:00 Restoring a 59 Ranchero41:33 Future of classic car market46:46 Challenges finding car parts50:09 Troubleshooting transmission issues53:35 Fixing ongoing installation issues56:10 Tuning engine installations59:15 Advice for young professionals

15 Headlines in 30 Minutes: Rapid Fire Automotive News For Shop Owners [RR 1091]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Watch Full Video Episode In this fast-paced episode, shop owner and founder of the Automotive Management Network, Tom Ham, breaks down 15 major industry headlines in just 30 minutes, offering insight into the rapid changes reshaping automotive service, technology, and consumer behavior. From artificial intelligence and electric vehicles to rising car ownership costs and the exploding demand for automotive repair, this conversation connects today’s news with what it means for shop owners, technicians, and the future of the industry. Along the way, Ham also shares several quirky and entertaining stories making waves across the automotive world. What You’ll Learn Why major tech companies are investing heavily in AI and what that could mean for jobs, pricing, and the future workforceHow rising vehicle prices and soaring monthly payments are changing consumer behaviorWhy maintaining and repairing existing vehicles is becoming a smarter financial decision for driversHow the average age of vehicles on the road is creating unprecedented growth opportunities for auto repair shopsWhy automotive specialists and skilled trades are becoming some of the most valuable careers in the economyWhat slowing EV sales mean for automakers and the growing demand for EV-trained techniciansHow repair shops can benefit from changing economic trends, including larger tax refunds and deferred maintenanceFun and unusual industry stories, including remote-controlled vehicle heaters, backup camera cleaning devices, and vintage vehicle restoration programs The automotive industry is entering one of the most profitable and transformative periods in its history. While technology, AI, and shifting consumer habits continue to disrupt traditional industries, the need for skilled automotive professionals is only increasing. As vehicles stay on the road longer and repair demand rises, shops that adapt, invest in training, and embrace emerging opportunities will be positioned for long-term success. Tom Ham, Automotive Management Network. Tom’s previous episodes HERE. Running a shop is a never-ending cycle of preventing problems and looking for solutions. Automotive Management Network is a 15,000+ member Website full of high-value documents, resources, and tips. Being a member gives you quick access to all the information you need to run a smooth, profitable shop. https://www.automotivemanagementnetwork.com/ https://laborratetracker.com/ Thanks to our Partners, NAPA Auto Care and NAPA TRACS Learn more about NAPA Auto Care and the benefits of being part of the NAPA family by visiting https://www.napaonline.com/en/auto-care NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Connect with the Podcast: Visit the Website:https://remarkableresults.biz/Subscribe on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriottoFollow on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/Follow on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/Follow on Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club:https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmastersJoin Our Private Facebook Community:https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976Join our Insider List:https://remarkableresults.biz/insiderAll books mentioned on our podcasts:https://remarkableresults.biz/booksOur Classroom page for personal or team learning:https://remarkableresults.biz/classroomBuy Me a Coffee:https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carmSpecial episode collections:https://remarkableresults.biz/collections The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ Remarkable Results Radio Podcastwith Carm Capriotto: Advancing the Aftermarket by Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion.https://remarkableresults.biz/Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Zwith Matt Fanslow: From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life.https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/Business by the Numberswith Hunt Demarest: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest.https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/The Auto Repair Marketing Podcastwith Kim and Brian Walker: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level.https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/The Weekly Blitzwith Chris Cotton: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching.https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/Speak Up! Effective Communicationwith Craig O'Neill: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills when Speaking to Audiences of Any Size.https://craigoneill.captivate.fm &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;...

ADAS and Electric Vehicles Are Changing Auto Repair | Marco Palumbo

Like the show? Show your support by using our sponsorsNeed to update your shop systems and software? Try Tekmetric HERESave 15% on your next Launch Tech USA tool with code Launch15. Use that code at checkout HEREIn this episode, Marco Palumbo shares his journey from technician to owner of Maxim Tire and Muffler in Winnipeg. He discusses the challenges of adapting to new automotive technologies, such as ADAS and electric vehicles, and the investments required in equipment, training, and staff. Marco also emphasizes the value of transparent customer service and community reputation, demonstrating how taking care of customers builds long-term loyalty and success.Timestamps:00:00 Meeting Mark and first impressions05:28 Importance of mentoring in shops12:13 Success with TikTok marketing17:38 Discussing car calibration and trust21:54 Unexpected car repair costs29:15 Dealerships vs. aftermarket dynamics34:45 Engaging waiting customers in showroom42:20 Oxygen sensor issues and specialization45:49 Tesla service challenges in smaller cities52:46 Celebrating Mark's impact56:16 Challenges with tech skills and training58:56 Managing training logistics01:04:09 Troubleshooting car electrical issues01:10:47 Managing customer service expectations01:16:04 Challenges with car part repairs01:24:28 Facing time management challenges01:28:24 Advocating for customer transparency01:34:09 Unresolved car maintenance issues01:37:26 Customer requests and shop policy01:42:08 Charging for technical auto repairs01:47:39 Recognizing Marco's passion and impact Follow/Subscribe to the show on social media! TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@jeffcompton7YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheJadedMechanicFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100091347564232

From $135K to $600K: J.J. Mont’s Auto Hospitality Breakthrough - Bonus Zoom Episode 3

J.J. Mont joins Glenn Piccolo to share his journey from a struggling shop to a high-performing auto hospitality business using Todd Hayes’ model. He covers how a single mindset shift — “saying yes on the phone” — recruiting top techs, shop upgrades, and outsourced callbacks drove predictable growth. Listen as J.J. explains the practical steps, key wins, and team changes that helped his store scale to record months and build a culture of service and growth.

Turn Your Parts Spend Into Team Rewards with the NAPA Team Tool Rebate [THA 483]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:8e59eec7-a235-4fa3-a072-956fea3fe478-7" data-testid="conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-11" data-testid="conversation-turn-24" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn="assistant"> Recorded live at the VISION 2026, host Carm Capriotto sits down with shop owner Pete McNeil and NAPA Auto Care leaders Jason Rainey and Lauren Briggs to break down the impact of the NAPA Team Tool Rebate program. Listen to a powerful real-world example of how the program can energize a team, strengthen culture, and reward performance in meaningful ways. What You’ll Learn How the NAPA Team Tool Rebate program helps offset the high cost of technician tools while building a stronger shop cultureHow Pete McNeil turned a $13,000 rebate into a memorable, morale-boosting experienceWhy the shift from “tech tool rebate” to “team tool rebate” gives owners flexibility to reward the entire team, not just techniciansCreative ways shops can use rebate funds, from individual tool purchases to shared equipment, and even community support like vocational schoolsHow the program aligns the front and back of the shop, encouraging team-wide support of purchasing decisionsWhat’s ahead for the program, including improved tracking, communication, and enhanced buying power through supplier partnerships The NAPA Team Tool Rebate program is more than a financial incentive; it’s a strategic tool for building culture, driving alignment, and showing appreciation in a tangible way. When used intentionally, as demonstrated by Pete McNeil, it can transform routine business spending into a powerful investment in people, boosting morale, loyalty, and long-term shop success. VISION Hi-Tech Training and Expo: https://visionkc.com/ Pete McNeil, McNeil’s Auto Care, Sandy and Riverton, UT. Pete’s previous episodes HERE Lauren Briggs, Sales & Marketing Director. NAPA Auto Care. Lauren’s previous episodes HERE Jason Rainey, Vice President NAPA Auto Care. Jason’s previous episodes HERE Thanks to our Partner, NAPA TRACS *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:49a777bf-d263-4496-bf0b-2eb3a46ac96a-15" data-testid="conversation-turn-32" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn="assistant"> NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Today's Class Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ Thanks to our Partner, KUKUI Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. Get industry-leading customer support with KUKUI at https://www.kukui.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the...

Own Your Shop. Own Your Life. The Path To Freedom

In this episode of Repair Shop Reckoning, Kevin takes the conversation beyond numbers and into what every shop owner is really chasing… freedom. Freedom from chaos. Freedom from bad customers. Freedom from living week to week. Freedom from having to...

EP25: Will AI Eliminate Jobs Or Enhance Them? A Review Of A Michael Stelzner Interview

Welcome to ShopSoup Podcast! Download and listen to our show on Apple, Google, Spotify and all other favorite streams.n this episode, I have a recap of not just the Tektonic event in Houston, but I listened and watched Michael Stelzner talk about the impact that AI will have on the future work force. Will copywriters become extinct? Will Service Advisors go the way of the dial phone? You might find it surprising to hear.SummaryGreg Buckley discusses the recent Tech Tonic event, the impact of AI on the automotive industry, and the future of technology in business. Insights include AI's role in efficiency, job evolution, and industry innovation.Key TopicsAI's impact on automotive industryEfficiency and automation in shopsIndustry evolution and future trendsTakeawaysAI will significantly improve shop efficiency and profitability.Automation can free up staff to focus on customer relationships.Industry leaders are embracing AI as a tool for growth, not a threat.Change is constant; adapting to new technology is essential.Transparency about AI use can enhance customer trust.Sound bites"Welcome to Shop Soup, a unique episode.""I'm excited about AI's role in our future.""Change is constant; we must adapt."Chapters00:00 Tech Tonic: A Premier Event Recap04:50 Embracing AI in the Automotive Industry10:08 AI's Impact on Job Efficiency and Relationships20:17 Navigating the Future of AI in BusinessResourcesTech Tonic 2023 Event - https://www.tekmetric.comMichael Stelzner - Social Media Examiner - https://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/michael-stelzner/

The Affordability Myth in Auto Repair: Rethinking How Service Advisors Present Repairs [THA 476]

Thanks to our Partners, NAPA TRACS, Today's Class, KUKUI, and Pit Crew Loyalty Watch Full Video Episode "I think the push back is more in our head than it is in the pocketbook." In this episode, host Carm Capriotto talks with Andy Fiffick and Chris Letendre about the perceived affordability crisis in auto repair. Both guests challenge the idea that customers can’t afford repairs, suggesting that price resistance often stems from the service advisor's mindset rather than customer reality. The discussion highlights practical strategies for improving repair approvals, including repackaging repairs with different parts or warranty options, presenting financing as “payment option plans,” and avoiding the “Sophomore Jinx,” where advisors begin to pre-judge what customers can afford. They also address the “maintenance-free” myth promoted by automakers and encourage shops to proactively educate customers with long-term maintenance planning. Ultimately, the episode reinforces a key truth: auto repair is a relationship business. When shops build trust and focus on helping people, price objections become far less common. Andy Fiffick, CEO Rad Air, Listen to Andy’s other episodes HERE Chris Letendre, American Pride Automotive Thanks to our Partner, NAPA TRACS NAPA TRACS will move your shop into the SMS fast lane with onsite training and six days a week of support and local representation. Find NAPA TRACS on the Web at http://napatracs.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Today's Class Optimize training with Today's Class: In just 5 minutes daily, boost knowledge retention and improve team performance. Find Today's Class on the web at https://www.todaysclass.com/ Thanks to our Partner, KUKUI Stop juggling multiple marketing tools. KUKUI’s integrated platform delivers 4x better website conversions, automated follow-up, and real-time ROI tracking. Get industry-leading customer support with KUKUI at https://www.kukui.com/ Thanks to our Partner, Pit Crew Loyalty You’re probably tired of chasing new customers who never return. We understand. Pit Crew Loyalty ends the one-and-done cycle, turning first visits into lasting, reliable revenue at https://www.pitcrewloyalty.com/ Connect with the Podcast: - Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RemarkableResultsRadioPodcast/ - Join Our Virtual Toastmasters Club: https://remarkableresults.biz/toastmasters - Join Our Private Facebook Community: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1734687266778976 - Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/carmcapriotto - Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmcapriotto/ - Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/remarkableresultsradiopodcast/ - Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RResultsBiz - Visit the Website: https://remarkableresults.biz/ - Join our Insider List: https://remarkableresults.biz/insider - All books mentioned on our podcasts: https://remarkableresults.biz/books - Our Classroom page for personal or team learning: https://remarkableresults.biz/classroom - Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/carm - Special episode collections: https://remarkableresults.biz/collections - The Automotive Repair Podcast Network: https://automotiverepairpodcastnetwork.com/ - Remarkable Results Radio Podcast with Carm Capriotto: Advancing the Aftermarket by Facilitating Wisdom Through Story Telling and Open Discussion. https://remarkableresults.biz/ - Diagnosing the Aftermarket A to Z with Matt Fanslow: From Diagnostics to Metallica and Mental Health, Matt Fanslow is Lifting the Hood on Life. https://mattfanslow.captivate.fm/ - Business by the Numbers with Hunt Demarest: Understand the Numbers of Your Business with CPA Hunt Demarest. https://huntdemarest.captivate.fm/ - The Auto Repair Marketing Podcast with Kim and Brian Walker: Marketing Experts Brian & Kim Walker Work with Shop Owners to Take it to the Next Level. https://autorepairmarketing.captivate.fm/ - The Weekly Blitz with Chris Cotton: Weekly Inspiration with Business Coach Chris Cotton from AutoFix - Auto Shop Coaching. https://chriscotton.captivate.fm/ - Speak Up! Effective Communication with Craig O'Neill: Develop Interpersonal and Professional Communication Skills when Speaking to Audiences of Any Size. https://craigoneill.captivate.fm &nbsp; &nbsp;

The System Said He’d Never Amount to Much...They Were Wrong

Most people know Kevin Brown as the guy who tells it like it is. The shop owner. The operator. The guy calling out the chaos, the excuses, and the bad decisions that quietly kill shops. But this episode is different. This is the beginning of the...

EP 19: Can The Industry's Past Be It's Future? With Todd Hayes Of AutoShopAnswers

Welcome to SoupRadio Podcast. I'm your host Greg Buckley, a 60 year old, multi-automotive repair shop owner in Delaware. Today's guest is Todd Hayes, a highly successful entrepreneur that is bring back customer service to the automotive aftermarket in a HUGE way. He is the COO of Adams Automotive in Houston along with the CEO of his private equity firm, Houston, Boston Partnership.In this engaging interview, Todd Hayes shares his journey from a young entrepreneur to a successful automotive industry leader. He emphasizes the importance of discipline, exceptional customer service, and innovative business strategies that have transformed his businesses and impacted lives. In this engaging conversation, industry veterans Todd Hayes and Greg Buckley share insights on transforming the auto repair industry through customer service, technology, and efficient business models. They discuss the importance of industry roots, leveraging AI, and building a culture of excellence to achieve sustainable growth and wealth.Keywords For The Showauto industry, customer service, business growth, discipline, automotive success, legacy business, private equity, auto hospitality auto repair, customer service, AI, business efficiency, industry transformation, auto hospitality, private equity, technician recruitmentKey Topics In The ShowDiscipline in business and healthCustomer service as a differentiatorLegacy building and business growth Industry roots and customer service excellenceLeveraging AI for customer relationshipsBuilding a high-performance auto repair businessKey PointsCustomer-Centric ModelEfficiency FrameworkAuto Hospitality ModelPractical Tips To Build The Client RelationshipImplement AI tools for customer profilingTrain staff on customer service excellenceAdopt the Ritz Carlton auto hospitality standards"Customer service is the key to industry success.""Building a team that respects each other is essential.""Focus on the customer, and success will follow."Chapters00:00 Introduction and Personal Connection01:48 Health Journey and Resilience03:42 Discipline in Life and Business07:25 Early Career and Business Foundations11:29 Customer Service and Industry Changes17:10 Legacy and Community Focus24:19 Transforming Auto Shops into Customer-Centric Businesses28:38 The Journey of Entrepreneurship and Family Values32:27 Changing Lives Through Business and Community37:16 Innovative Customer Service Strategies in Auto Repair44:06 De-risking Business Portfolios and Growth Strategies50:11 The Importance of Communication and Customer Relationships01:00:18 Revisiting Business Fundamentals01:01:12 The Evolution of Business Models01:01:49 Harnessing Technology for Customer Engagement01:02:58 Building Relationships Through AI01:04:24 Efficiency in Service Delivery01:06:27 The Importance of Customer Experience01:08:16 The Role of Team Dynamics in Business01:12:24 Customer Service as a Core Value01:14:10 The Need for Respect in the Workplace01:16:13 Choosing the Right Business Model01:18:50 The Importance of Cleanliness and Presentation01:23:28 The Future of Private Equity in Business01:31:42 The Importance of Winning in Sports and Business01:33:11 Running a Business Like a Pro Football Team01:35:56 Discipline and Professionalism in the Workplace01:37:51 Navigating Industry Events and Networking01:39:40 Customer Service as the Core of Business Success01:43:02 Honoring Mentorship and Industry Relationships resourcesAuto Shop Answers - https://autoshopanswers.comTodd Hayes on LinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/todd-hayesAI Development by Michael Floyd - https://aidev.comAuto Shop Answers - https://autoshopanswers.comAdam Coffey's Private Equity Books - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Adam+CoffeyTechMetric - https://techmetric.comBryce's Auto Service Event - https://theaslconference.com guest linksLinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/todd-hayesLinkedIn - https://linkedin.com/in/greg-buckley